>mfw retards try to claim that most '60s and '70s

>>71417641
who the fuck claims that? the majority of musicians in general are lefties

>>71417706
You wouldn't believe the amount of Stormweenies/ayncraps who are butthurt about the fact that basically no good musician is right-wing.

>>71417641
most musicians are lefties because we want to live in a world where all we have to do is music

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>>71417758
>no good musician is right-wing
*teleports behind you*

>>71417706
only because they want to cater to their fans and the media, who are usually left-leaning

>>71417812
>Varg: Communism is preferable to capitalism.
>Varg Fans: Hurr durr Varg is le ebin Stormfag.

>>71417832
>the general public and media is left-leaning
Please. The American public is painfully center-right.

>>71417869
>nazism is socialism
fuckoff

>>71417994
I'm not saying it is.

>>71417945
except when you ask them about the issues
gay marriage, in favor
raising the minimum wage, in favor
universal healthcare, in favor
paid maternity leave, in favor
legalization of marijuana, in favor
raising taxes on wage earners over a million dollars, in favor

The only thing they do not agree on is what end of the political spectrum they fall on.
Mostly because they are uneducated and uninterested.

>>71418101
1. You're mistaken if you believe that 40% of America completely agrees with all that, much less 51%.
2. Even if they did, they would still be center-right, center-left at best.

>>71417994
did you even read the post?

>>71418286
Are you kidding me America has been painfully left for decades now
Also
>implying that this music is not distributed worldwide overseas and just to America

>>71418286
just look at the polls on each issue, and get btfo

>>71418638
>>71418741
>liberalism is left-wing
It's a right-wing ideology.

>>71417641
>mfw retards try to claim that most '60s and '70s musicians were right-wing
First time I ever hear this.

>>71418638
Plus most mainline """" conservatives""""
Support very liberal issues like open borders and increased spendings in social programs plus the mass media and publications are extremely liberal

>>71418764
Leftist

>>71418764
Call it what you want it isn't conservatism that's for sure

>>71417641
>pot smoking hippie degenerates
>right-wing

lol

>>71418805
>>71418853
Conservatism is liberalism.

>>71418880
Classically maybe not in modernity doesent excuse the fact that all the best artists are conservative

>>71418922
Checked.

>>71418922
>all the best artists are conservative
lmao

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>>71419018
It's funny because it's true lmaoo
The Beach Boys for example

Actors and musicians by and large should be seen as dancing puppets there to entertain you and not to take anything that comes out of their mouth seriously.

>>71419194
I agree about the actor part they were largely seen lower then prostitutes but musicians are a different story they derived from noble aristocracy as well as priests

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Reminder that Michael gira, fripp, beefheart, Bowie, Wayne coyne, will Toledo, and Stefan Burnett are redpilled

>>71419044
Mike Love is a self-described progressive. Do some research before you spout bullshit.
And what is the matter with Hendrix happening to like two composers?

>>71419244
Reminder that you have literally no source for any of that.

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>>71419285
>he hasent read the mike love autobiography
Also
>being this angered by facts
Lol

>>71419244
Reminder that redpilled is a stupid joke beloved by clueless idiots.

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>>71419299
The evidence is out there

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>>71419319
>facts
Still no source, I see.
Also no evidence as to how Hendrix liking the work of two of the most iconic composers ever makes him right-wing.

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>>71419371
Micheal Jackson hated Jews too /mu/ just got slammed tf off in their own bait thread
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*coughes profusely*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>71419418
>Wikipedia
LMFAO read his book it came out a few monthes ago

>>71419244
Source on Fripp?

>>71419371
>Stormweenies still taking this out-of-context quote from a coked-out druggie, known for taking up various personas, who later renounced that and apologized profusely for this quote

>>71419244
>bowie

el oh el

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>>71419533
>not knowing he was damage controlling because of dumb lefties like you

>>71417641
Literally never heard someone claim this desu.

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Did somebody say redpilled??

>>71419522
He has none. In fact, there's evidence to the contrary, seeing as how the name of King Crimson is itself a political statement against the Vietnam War (a crimson king, historically, refers to somebody whose reign had a lot of bloodshed) and how political the lyrics are to their first (and, hell, second - ItWoP carries the same trend as TCotCK and Epitaph before it, and Cat Food is arguably a statement about the fast food/grocery industry) album - 21st Century Schizoid Man even explicitly refers to innocents being raped with napalm fire and Fripp even dedicated the song to Spiro Agnew; I Talk to the Wind is arguably challenging religion/organized religion with its talk about "talking to the wind" and the wind "not hearing;" Epitaph is pretty crystal-fucking-clear in what it means; who knows what the fuck Moonchild and The Court of the Crimson King are about, but I sure as fuck don't see Fripp advocating for a Fourth Crusade anywhere in their lyrics.

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move on guys its the kekposters

>>71419787
Fripp is an evil genius. He purposefully left a bread crumb blue-pilled trail and you followed it.

>>71419797
Everything is ideology btw. ok sleep well kiddo

>>71419470
>>71419570
>>71419849
>still no sources
>all this image.jpg
Phoneposters in a nutshell.

>>71419787
Thought so. Thanks for the insight.

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>>71419870
Ok boy I suggest you to stay in your mind

>>71420084
Based.

Not even /mu/ is safe from this shit.

@71420084
>doctored image
>with the filename image.jpg again
Top kek

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>>71419870
>he still hasent read the book

>>71420106
>denying reality
Lol

@71420115
>he still hasent provided a relevant quotation
@71420128
>he thinks le ebin photo he found on /pol/ is real

Why are we using Mike Love as an example of the Beach Boys' political leanings anyway? Who gives a fuck about Mike Love for anything other than his voice?

>>71420103
Easiest way to make people angry is to give them facts

>>71420103
Hopefully america gets nuked

>>71418036
It is though.

>>71418853
haha , endogamic retard

in america the left does not exists.

>>71420284
>a foreigner thinking he knows shit about geopolitics
How about you stay under our boot and keep your mouth piped down

>>71420084
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0CS-T1HUQ

>>71420138
>being this furious

@71420537
>2017
>still saying "lol umad xDDD"
What's the point? It's not even like I'm giving you (You)s any more, dumb phoneposter.

>>71420574
1-20 how mad are you?

@71420612
10, because that's the amount of (You)s that you've given me.

>>71420637
Lmao
>unironically falling for the (you)s meme

@71420650
Seems like that's exactly what you're doing, seeing as how there's literally no other reason you'd continue this.

>>71419244
He's going to look back in 10 years and hate himself for what he did to his life

>>71420664
Lmao sure why not plebbith

>>71419018
Counterargument: RHCP endorsed Bernie Sanders and they suck eggs

>>71420694
Countercounterargument: Peter Gabriel is a pretty die-hard left-winger and he does not suck eggs

>>71420694
Duh only talentless leftists have dumb opinion don't you know! xDDd

>>71420724
He's Jewish though
99% of Jews are liberals and Peter is half assed at best when being compared to just average acts of the 70s and 80s

>>71420402
I live in the US.

There is no true mainstream "left" in the US. Liberals are centrists, Dems are center-right. That Bernie Sanders, a center-left politician, was heavily viewed as a very far left political candidate is proof. The window of discourse is pretty much entirely in the right wing.

>>71420774
Bernie is not center left

What I find comical is so-called anti-establishment punk rocker types like Green Day actively and enthusiastically endorsing Hillary Clinton, the most establishment, corporatist presidential candidate one could have found anywhere. If they'd voted for some third party candidate or fringe lefty like Jill Stein, then ok fine. But by endorsing Hillary, all credibility they had disappeared instantaneously.

>>71420784
Yeah, he is. Despite claiming to be a socialist he doesn't actually push for what socialism is, he just pushes for socialist-ish policies.

>>71420785
I heavily endorsed Hillary despite despising everything the Democratic stands for. Whatever she did, it probably would have been better than what Trump's doing right now.

>>71420774
Bernie is practically a full on red lol the generation zs are in love with this Faggot

>>71420824
Right, but of course you were a Democrat campaign worker.

>>71420774
>Bernie is center left
I Lulled

>>71420825
"Practically a full on red" you say as he pushes for center-left policies. Sorry, labor unions and government regulation are barely even left wing.
>>71420843
Give me an example of a statement he's made that isn't center-left.

>>71420861
"Muh 1%"
He also said in an old interview that Lenin was a little misunderstood but at least he admits he's a pinko unlike a lot of other "democrats"

>>71420861
>labor unions
>barely left wing
Lmaooo

>>71420842
No, not everyone who disagrees with you is a shill.
If someone gave you the option "here let me either continue stabbing you with this knife or you can try a slash from this sword" of course you would prefer to not be being stabbed in the first place, but it's preferable to the sword.
>>71420893
"Muh 1%" isn't leftist talk, it's reality. Whether you have a problem with it is politics.
"Lenin was misunderstood" is ironic coming from him when he fights for barely even leftist policies.
>>71420900
What's your idea of centrist if labor unions are far left.

>>71420934
Centrist would be pretty self explanatory

>>71420934
I can tell you're not american and if you're your a POC

No idea about Bernie, but Hillary is very much a stone-hearted Leninist who believes a tightly disciplined party elite is needed to guide the sheeple. Her entire election campaign was based on this principle with Hollywood celebrities telling you sheeple that they alone know what's good for you.

All that and more is why they lost. Nobody needs Oprah Winfrey or Beyonce telling them that they're dumb clueless redneck Jesus fuckers who need their wise guidance.

>>71420757
Gabriel isn't a liberal, though, he's an actual socialist.

>>71417994
>>71420272
fascistic national socialism in particular. which is about the peeps on the top, not the people. It is socialism's retard edgelord brother.

>>71420985
>the neoliberal warmonger elite and her bourgeois cronies are communist
LMAO, you literally just named everything communism is against.

>>71420999
I meant leftist but yeah most Jews are very sympathetic to socialism ofc

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what now, dadrockers?

>>71421012
except leninism isn't communism

>>71420970
Considering centrist means in the middle, it obviously varies depending on where you think the endpoints are.
>>71420983
Sorry bud, lived in the US my whole life and whiter than snow.
>>71420985
That's not really what Leninism is but I'll admit it's a pretty good comparison. Hillary was fucking terrible, it's hilarious how the dem party thought they could get away with such a shit candidate just because they thought Trump was a joke.

>>71420824
Lesser-evilism is what got us into this mess in the first place.

>>71421032
Congrats son what part of America though and what's your occupation

>>71421020
I can't tell if you're going for an anti-Semitic "Jews are behind it" global elite conspiracy approach or just stating statistics, but if you're doing the latter then I'd like to inform you that the elites - who are comprised of many ethnicities - are kind of the main targets of socialism, as they are the bourgeoisie who benefit the most from capitalism.

>>71421036
It's kind of hard to not do it when you're out against a system that pretty much spits out two terrible choices consistently. Trump won because people wanted change, and he certainly was a change.
>>71421047
Commiefornia, carpenter

>>71421047
how far are you going to move your goal posts? or are you trying to find a demographic data-point that you can use to disregard that poster as a fringe thinker?

>>71421066
Lol me too live in Irvine a lot of people are quite retarded and uninformed

>>71421070
I know that that's all leftists do move goalposts

>>71421032
Their own media echo chamber killed them. They literally only listened to their own propaganda when it seemed increasingly obvious as Election Day drew closer that they were headed for a 1980-style blowout.

>entire forests of Trump lawn signs while Hillary signs were rare enough to be almost a novelty when you saw them
>huge Trump campaign rallies with thousands of enthusiastic people while there would be like 30 people at a Hillary rally
>every other day bringing some new scandal that Hillary was involved in

And yet, right up to Election Day, these same delusional media outlets were still putting out polls that gave her a 90% chance of winning. This also caused the Democrats to totally ignore the Rust Belt states despite the mounting evidence that they were about to flip. They simply didn't imagine they could lose Wisconsin or Pennsylvania and didn't even campaign in those states.

>>71421065
You have no endgame

>>71421084
I completely agree and it's pathetic to watch. And not even from the "oh hoh I'm an enlightened leftist who's so high and mighty" view, just from a generalist view. Both ends of the window of discourse in the US just constantly bicker about issues they don't fully understand and never actually get anything done. God damn, if you really care at least go fucking do something about it. If you want change, get senators and house seats to match what
you want to see. Don't just turn up for presidentials then whine about how there's not a choice. Your braindead behavior is why there's no choice.
>>71421138
Don't give me the "oh Trump winning could be seen from a mile away."
Trump had a disproportionate display of support because he had a lot more fanatical supporters. The vast majority of Trump supporters genuinely thought he would do a good job, the vast majority of Hillary supporters thought at least she wouldn't be as bad as Trump.
Exit polls were also showing a victory for Hillary with a pretty close margin. And early election results also showed her winning. Through the day it slowly began to tip, and the final victory was significant but still pretty close.
It's easy to look in hindsight and be like "no shit he won," but hindsight is 20/20.

>>71421138
It's like the film critic Pauline Kael saying after the 1972 election "I don't understand how this could happen. Everyone I know voted for McGovern."

>>71421187
It could definitely be seen a mile away and only a Tumblrfaggot (ie. you) will argue otherwise. Also those exit polls were trash because they were all controlled by leftists.

I could see quite easily that what was happening was 2008 in reverse, where the outsider hopey changey guy beats the establishment "I have experience and I know how Washington works" candidate. You could even see it in the campaign slogans and how much more marketable the winner's was.

>2008
>Obama has "Hope and Change" vs McCain's "Straight Talk" (what the fuck is that?)

>2016
>Trump has MAGA vs Hillary's "Stronger Together" (huh?)

>>71421162
Are you shitting me? Capitalism has no endgame. Communism is literally the ultimate endgame - a stateless, moneyless, classless society.

>>71421328
Bait

>>71421297
>>>71421187 (You)
>It could definitely be seen a mile away and only a Tumblrfaggot (ie. you) will argue otherwise.
NO TRUE SCOTSMAN THINKS TRUMP WOULDN'T HAVE WON
>Also those exit polls were trash because they were all controlled by leftists.
Because it's in the best interest of independent groups to publish misleading exit polls just to support a specific candidate.

Hillary also would have won massively if not for the whole emails thing. She was leading like 60-30 for a while, then the emails thing happened and it was more like 55-45 and it continued to close as the election drew closer. She still was leading polls on election day. And yes, independent polls, but knowing that you're a brain damaged Trump fanatic anything that disagrees with the Trump is literally perfect and won before he even started narrative is fake news.
>>71421344
How is it bait? A truly communist society would be a literal utopia for everyone.

>>71421384
>Because it's in the best interest of independent groups to publish misleading exit polls just to support a specific candidate.
If only they were independent and not creating misleading polls with the intent of demoralizing Republican voters (oh, no there's a 95% chance of Hillary winning don't even bother to come out on Tuesday it's a done deal).

>Hillary also would have won massively if not for the whole emails thing
costanza.jpg

LOLno. She had so many scandals that even if the email thing hadn't happened, something else would have dragged her down. And that doesn't even cover her unappealing icicle personality, reputation as a Beltway insider, disillusioned Bernouts who thought their messiah was robbed, and the countless other deficiencies she had as a candidate.

>>71421462
Not going to bother anymore, diehard Trump supporters only believe whatever their god emperor tells them and anything that challenges that is fake news.

Wait, didn't we have 8 years of libtards blindly worshiping King Nig and obeying all of his commands without question?

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>>71421601
>King Nig

>>71421384
For sure mental deficiency

>>71421574
t.obongoroo

>>71417945
Nah b. They vote center right because the "leftist" party is sits dead center-center right. Issue by issue polling shows a majority being center left-left leaning

>>71417641
Youve gotta use the cultural lense brother man. By todays standards yes they were very conservative, in a time where the world at large was more conservative most were more left leaning than average even if that lean only applied to social issues

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>>71417641
They did since during cold war america was white meaning less diverge and more patriotic.
Only jews were leftiests, who tried and managed to infiltrate communist/marxist ideas in our country.

>>71417641
No-one in their right mind (no pun intended) would claim that, but there are still a whole lot of great right-wing musicians from those eras who can't just be brushed under the carpet, e.g. Roger Daltrey, Bryan Ferry, Roger McGuinn, etc.

>>71417869
Is varg NAZBOL?

Musicians are leftist because it sells more music to children.

Everyone knows this, right? This is just one big bait thread and you got me?

>>71419244
Source on Gira?
Based on interviews I have read he seems to be left-leaning

>>71422378
>Roger Daltrey
Supporting Brexit doesn't immediately make you right-wing.

>>71422636
>people can fully develop political leanings as children
t. retard

>>71417994
>>71421002

varg's a strasserite ya flog

>>71423773
He made all that up for (You)s.

>>71424871
Ah, the old "the Jews did it, so it's bad" criticism of capitalism.
Better than nothing, I guess.

>>71424912
Went to bed for the night, then woke up to this. Feelsgoodman

>>71417812
>>71417869
>>71417994
>>71418036

Do you people even watch Varg? he hates all government in general, hating communism and capitalism equally. If anything he would be a anarchist. He has extremely right wing morals, but he lives in the forest.

>>71425310
Anarchism is inherently communist, numbnut.

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You have to remember that being liberal in the 70's would be staunchly conservative by today's standards. Even a very far left artist from the early 2000's would be considered a moderate at best in 2017. This will happen to you too, some day. If you were to be teleported to the year 2056, you'd be considered a backwards ass nazi fascist by the liberal elite of the future. It's the reality we live in, and you chose to make it this way.

>>71426688
This desu. This is how it will go for most people here:

>2017: Hell yeah, we need gay rights! LGBT power! We demand gender neutral bathrooms!
>2022: Pedophilia isn't that bad, I guess. We need to remain open minded.
>2028: There are pros and cons of bestiality, but overall I'm in favor of it.
>2035: M-maybe we shouldn't approve of this government order that chemically castrates everyone with European ancestry
>2042: But I don't want to be a woman
>2043: Fuck I'm a Nazi now I guess

>>71422636
Pop music nowadays is although promotes diversity, pretty much apolitical to sell records. 'Everyone can join the party.' But if we're talking good music of yesteryear and today, no one is putting on an act to sell something, they're musicians not salesmen

>>71424767
No, but he's said a lot in regards to things such as immigration, taxes and smaller government that would make one assume he's of a more Conservative leaning than most

>>71426688
This is so stupid I'm not going to start

>>71426746

This is your brain on /pol/

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>>71422378
Trust /pol faggotry to trawl the net to find the few right wing musicians and say look look

Who are the 'whole lot of right wing musicians' you say? I don't see a huge list happening 'cause there isn't one. Its garbage you guys have to drop this bullshit and maybe rethink your politics because what does it mean that the majority of music you like is made by left wingers? it means you're a dick

>>71426987
Just like the massive pedophilia ring in the upper echelon of Hollywood that has been going on for years, the most famous "indie" musicians are secretly redpilled. Starting to doubt your authenticity, anon. I thought you were woke

>>71426838
Not an argument. Unless you continue to shift your views to the left for your entire life, at some point when you are older you will be conservative. Not because your views changed, but because the future "standard" of views is far more left.

>>71427080
Redpilled is similar to pedophilia? Explains a lot.

>>71426688
>>71426746
>>71427082
Other way around, edgelords. FDR would be considered a far-left delusional radical by today's standards. Look what happened to Sanders, the painful centrist.

>>71426836
Got a link? Sounds interesting.
I know that Pete's a communist, though.

>>71426987
>and maybe rethink your politics because what does it mean that the majority of music you like is made by left wingers? it means you're a dick
Is this satire?

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>>71426688
>>71426746
This is what /pol/tards actually believe

>>71423773
he introduced himself as "Donald Trump's gay lover" at a show last summer

>>71417706
FPBP

>>71417641
I've never even heard that shit on /pol/ and theyre riddled with pizzagate and "CTR boogyman" threads

the rightwing was the old left.if your not a regressive idiot your not considered liberal now a days they hate the talk of one race and unity with whites

>>71417758
>no good musician is right-wing
Who the fuck is Wagner?

>>71428248
>[citation needed]
This is your brain on /pol/, folks. Sad!

>>71428273
How can you think progressives are anything but nowadays

if you think trump is a traditional Republican your an idiot

>>71428273
I mean bernie sanders was a serious contender for president a guy with ties to known communist

>>71428467
>>71428543
"Progressives," as you call them, are nothing but center, center-left maybe.
And Sanders is most certainly not a communist, he's a milquetoast centrist, and look how harshly he has been vilified by the right-wing neoliberals who primarily compose the American media - particularly the DNC.

>>71420138
>@

>>71428575
if sanders is a centrist then society really has been skewed to the left


Check this guy out

>>71428590
I'm denying him the (You)s he so evidently craves.

>>71426644
what about it, exactly? give me at least one example.

Anarchism (absence of government) = equality of opportunity

Communism = equality of outcome.
fag

>>71428575
I can bring up aticles talking about his known ties to communist and how they funded his senate run back in the day

>>71428618
No, not at all. The fact that you think this shows how skewed your perspective (and that of society as a whole) is to the right. The actual left is anti-capitalist and not liberal.
>>71428623
>anarchism is literally just absence of government
Wew, lad. Read up on The Conquest of Bread to learn what anarchism and mutual aid actually are.
>>71428652
Sure, back in the '60s or '70s. Doesn't change the fact that Sanders is fundamentally not communist today. He does not run on a communist platform.

>>71428575
>Fidel Castro was an ok leader
>White people dont know what its like to be poor >Centrist

>>71428680
What is single payer healthcare
free college
nots not a very free capitalist system

>>71427574
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2009982/The-Whos-Roger-Daltrey-Labour-left-British-working-man-screwed-cheap-Labour.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/event/article-2803957/The-s-Pete-Townshend-Roger-Daltrey-Pete-came-knocked-spark-Roger-Daltrey-Pete-Townshend-interview-decade-just-cause-big-sensation.html
The latter one's quite long so I'll give you some choice quotes:
>'I wouldn’t vote Ukip because I don’t think they’re going to get us out, although I think Nigel Farage is very clever. I don’t dislike him.’
>‘I don’t think I’ll ever forgive Labour for the state they left us in,’ Daltrey glowers, looking as if he is about to spit.
>‘If Margaret Thatcher hadn’t got in, then we would have had to have left the country.
>'We struggled to stay here throughout the Seventies. We were the only band that didn’t leave.
>'Tax was 83 per cent. If the Tories hadn’t won I’d have gone to America like everyone else did. I’d have been a really, really, really rich man now.
Also interestingly as you mention Pete being a communist is that here he says:
>‘I’ve always been centrist,’ grimaces Townshend. ‘But as I get older I start to value the past and traditions. A more conservative view of British life, island life.’

>>71428702
my mother fled from cuba and thats the only thing that will probably ever trigger me

>>71428702
>he thinks rhetoric means anything
His actual policies are centrist.
Secondly, link me to where Sanders said Fidel was "OK," because when Fidel died, he called his policy disastrous.
>>71428745
Are the means of production privately held? Then it's capitalism.

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>>71417641
Yeah, but a bunch of them are hypocrites and their public political beliefs are probably more trendy than anything.

>Dead kennedys deleted their tweet being buddies with a deep state agent

>>71428791
>muh anecdotes
>muh gusano relative was THERE, man

>>71428834
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E14lsC4WLV0

>Wtf the cuban people love being poor, stuck in time, and having substandard healthcare that only benefitted the Castros and friends

>>71420115
lmao, we get it.
you can read.

>>71428855
no you idiot they gloss over the trechories he caused to his own people that one of my parents experienced first hand

>>71428972
Besides how would you feel if they ripped everything you family has away from you or threw your family members in jail for petceived crimes

>>71428937
>1985
lmao
Also
>substandard healthcare
Compared to no healthcare at all?
Also
>being poor, stuck in time
None of this could be due to the embargo, could it? :^)

>>71428855
alex jones is right on one thing to castro did come for their guns
my mother has the fondest memory of her granmother burying guns on the beach

>>71429086
wrong comment dude

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Communism is great because when it inevitably takes over, mass starvation, poverty, and crime will eventually destroy everyone who so desperately wanted it.

>>71429086
>he believes in property
lmao

>>71429186
edgy shit my dude

>>71429121
>>71429121
https://www.democracynow.org/2016/11/29/bernie_sanders_on_the_life_and


Still saying the same shit in 2016, except his defense 30 years later is comparing it to debately shittier regimes like Suadi Arabia and by that immensely low bar Communist Cuba wasnt so bad, I mean at least Fidel and Che didnt execute gays because it angered a dead pedophile wizard

Maybe their dilemma wouldnt be whether to die slowly (with that high quality healthcare Bernbear is still shilling for) and quickly if they werent in equal poverty in the first place

Always ironically hillerious when RATM had a Che Guevara icon on their amplifiers while their metal music would have had them sent to a camp or executed in Cuba

>>71429535
*hilarious

>>71427550
Stupidest post on this site right now

>>71428620
t. Pink haired queersmo

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>>71417758
They've got all the country music. Literally all of it, from the early cowboy ballads by Gene Autry to the modern pop country trash (save the Dixie Chicks).

>>71428972
Exactly and you can't

>>71429420
>I mean at least Fidel and Che didnt execute gays because
No, they just locked them in mental asylums.

>>71429763
A bunch of hard rock/metal guys as well like Joe Perry, Ted Nugent, Gene Simmons, Dave Mustaine, etc.

>>71419244
>wayne coyne
>redpilled

wayne coyne, the cunt that kicked kliph schurlock out of the band after the whole Christina Fallin thing, is redpilled?

fuck off mong

>>71417641
is he Richard Gere?

>>71429535
>[citation needed]

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>>71429763
And all the 60s bands plus late 70s punk bands all right wing artists if not beliefs at the very least aesthetics and don't forget the 90s bands all right wing

>>71429713
Actual stupidest post in this site right now

>>71429121
>None of this could be due to the embargo, could it?

If Castro was that dependent on his alleged greatest foe to sustain Cuba's economy, then how effective and functional could his system possibly be?

@71429867
No source for any of those claims, I see.

>>71429879
No

>>71429891
The idiots who think Cuba is anything but a giant gulag are the same type who in the 1930s visited Stalin's Russia and said "I've seen the future and it works!"

>>71429891
They're shitskins so not well

>>71429932
Lmaoo I've heard this from so many commies say "I've seen the future" Shit they're hobo tier delusional

Most rockers were really just libertarian. They wanted to have a good time, fuck girls, smoke weed without the Man breathing down their neck.

>>71429975
t. libtard

Musicians should stay out of politics unless they seriously know what they are talking about.

>>71429985
A lot of big rock stars make uninformed opinions

>>71429999
This.Bruce Springsteen sounds like a incoherent hippie when he's saying anything about the world

>>71430031
Neil Young is an idiot too. By his own admission, he's very, very uneducated and has never read more than about two books in his life.

Gene Simmons once said (and I believe this was directed at Bono) "What kind of an idiot gets his political opinions from rock stars? Do you need a rock star to tell you how to save the rain forest?"

>>71430076
What dumb shit has he said? I've heard he has conservative subscriptions

>>71429815
WHOAH. YA GOT ME THERE BUD.
I'm not even the same guy you dingus.
Also nobody cares if you read Mike Love's autobiography, he's the shittiest and most manipulative member in the band, and his word means nothing.

>>71430076
Neil young is not an idiot, read his lyrics from on the beach you fucking pleb

>>71429932
Cuba ain't perfect, but how exactly is it a giant gulag?

>>71430141
Lmao it's still entertaining bitch at one point he says "I take pride in coming from a long line of Swedish pacifists"
>pacifist

>>71430031
Like fuck, Trump gets elected precisely because of the scenario in Springsteen's music playing out (decline of the Rust Belt blah blah blah) but he acts all like Trump is Hitler and instead actively and enthusiastically endorses the Clintons, who are massive globalists that blew up 1 million+ manufacturing jobs with their free trade obsession.

>>71430179
>The real history of Cuba, which has not yet been released, was dissolved in a midsummer dream skillfully built by Castro's stupid admirers in the West. Then there is the true story of the island-regime, that of the poet Armando Valladares, sentenced to 30 years, a hero.

>The real Cuba is that of the dissidents, such as Guillermo Fariñas, a psychologist and independent journalist, and Oscar Biscet, the heroic doctor on the island where there are more abortions than births. Half a million Cubans passed through the Gulag of Fidel Castro in Cuba. In comparison to the total population of the island that is eleven million, the Castro dictatorship boasted the highest per capita political incarceration rate in the world.

>Castro institutionalized torture against the “anti-socialist elements”. Not to mention the systematic repression, brutal and disproportionate with regard to the minimum of dissent. And to compensate for the lack of consumer goods there was always a generous supply of communist propaganda.

>The list of US celebrities who justified this gulag is astonishing. Dan Rather called Fidel Castro “the Elvis of Cuba”, “Castro has brought literacy and a large rate of health care in his country” (Barbara Walters)”, “Castro is one of the wisest men in the world”, (Oliver Stone), “Fidel, I love you” (Francis Ford Coppola), and we could continue by mentioning Steven Spielberg, Robert Redford, Jack Nicholson, Leonardo DiCaprio, Naomi Campbell and Kate Moss.

>And Mark Zuckerberg doesn’t seem to care that Cuba has fewer per capita phones than Papua, New Guinea and fewer Internet connections than Uganda.

>>71430188
Maybe he just likes pacifists because they . . .
. . .
. . .
"DON'T FUCK WITH THE FORMULA".

That was awful.
I apologise.

>According to the Cuba Archive Project, until 2005 on the island there were 9240 “political deaths”. Armando Lago, a Harvard trained economist and vice president of the Cuba Archive Project, estimates that 78,000 people have died trying to flee from the Caribbean island (20% of the original Cuban population lives abroad). 5600 Cubans were executed, 1200 were eliminated in “extrajudicial executions” (five times higher than Augusto Pinochet's record).

>It is difficult to quantify the number of homosexuals imprisoned in concentration camps or the number of books buried in the archives (the preferred method under communism, while the Nazis burned them).

>All numbers are forgotten in favor of dancing in the streets of L’Havana. Because, as the most famous Italian ballet dancer Carla Fracci said “Castro is a dictator, I know, but I do not forget that ballet is highly regarded in socialist countries”.

>The ballet…of course.

>>71430188
That's the most mike love quote I've ever seen lmao "pacifists" wtf does that even mean lol

>>71430308
Not doubting you, but source?

>>71417641
It's true though, they were basically libertarians. Very socially liberal, but all about the capitalism and making $$$

>>71429891
When your biggest enemy dominates half the globe, then yeah, it's pretty hard, especially after most of your natural resources have been robbed by colonial exploitation.

>>71430729
This, emphasis on the second part. They are seriously lacking in resource aspect.

>>71430308
WTF? I love Dan Rather, Barbara Walters, Francis Ford Coppola, Steven Spielberg, Robert Redford, Jack Nicholson, Leonardo DiCaprio, Naomi Campbell, and Kate Moss now.

>>71429535
Because they were being edgy, anon. They knew how to unnerve and agitate white Americans and appeal to naturally rebellious teens, they had their target market locked in they did their homework and they can now retire off people stupid enough to buy their shit. Don't think for one fucking second they were actually going to live in the communist shitholes under the scumfucks they championed anon, that would mean giving up every privilege that being American granted them and that's too uncomfortable for them.

>>71430915
Sounds like the edgy one here is you.

>>71431039
He's true though if you live in America you wouldn't want to live anywhere else

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>>71430729
>>71430729
>especially after most of your natural resources have been robbed by colonial exploitation

>>71429845
http://pitchfork.com/news/55030-kliph-scurlock-accuses-wayne-coyne-of-racism-and-abuse-in-detailed-account-of-firing-from-flaming-lips/

>Fallin was criticized for posting a photo to her Instagram account that showed her wearing a Native American headdress. After some blowback, she made a statement apologizing and defending herself. According to Gawker, various sources reported that Scurlock was openly critical of Fallin, while Coyne was supportive of her. Coyne even apparently posted his own Instagram photo involving people (and a dog) wearing Native American headdresses.

Learn to fucking research, dude.

>>71431271
WAYNE COYNE REDPILLED CONFIRMED ONCE AGAIN

>>71431094
I do live in America.

>>71429901
Second stupidest post on this site right now

>>71431258
About that. In the early 60s, Mao Zedong criticized Cuba's sugar-based economy, calling it a "rudiment of colonialism" and suggested that they instead work to become self-sufficient in food production. This suggestion was not taken up by Castro in the slightest, and he continued selling the vast majority of the sugar crop to the USSR even though they were self-sufficient for sugar production and didn't really need it.

>>71431400
Youre butthurt

>>71431486
Third stupidest post on this site

>>71431504
>being this mad

>>71429535
>>71430915
Rage are just a bunch of con artists.

>we're so edgy we haet capitalism
>as our videos are playing on MTV between Pepsi commercials and we're signed to Sony

Tom Morello is laughing all the way to the bank at the retards that bought his music.

>>71431582
His first album was cool but yeah I agree they're pretty brain damaged

>>71431550
Fourth stupidest post on this site

And then in the late 2000s they got back together to milk nostalgiabucks out of people.

>>71431620
>still being mad on a underwater Albanian grove hunting forum

>>71431504
Don't forget The stupidest post on this site.See>>71427550

>>71431693
Alright, let's see you disprove the alleged "stupidest post on this site."

>>71419956
Dear God

>>71426746
le slippery slope fallacy

/pol/ are faggots.

>>71430308
t. rich capitalist who's pissed he can't profit off the sugar there anymore.

Torturing political prisoners? Wow, that's awful, I'm glad the US doesn't do anything like that and Guantanamo Bay doesn't actually exist.

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>>71431582
How else do you get a message out?

>>71432557
>t. rich capitalist who's pissed he can't profit off the sugar there anymore

And did you know that Forbes Magazine estimated Fidel Castro's personal net worth at $900 million? Also, he was born into a sugar family who owned a 25,000 acre plantation. He went to an expensive private school as well, far from a working class upbringing.

Said Lucky Luciano, "I had my casinos stolen from me by an even bigger gang of crooks."

>>71432670
So because he was born rich he's not allowed to care about poor people?
Net worth also could be a bit misleading here considering that net worth takes into account owned assets, and I don't know what assets they were taking into account.

All it proves is that there's no real working class commies, just rich daddy issues hipsters who've never had any real hardship in their life.

>>71432763
I'm working class and I would consider myself a communist. What kind of hardship have you faced that makes you so entitled to talk down to people?

>>71419319
>reading the mike love biography
Mikeposters need to leave this board

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>>71432742
>Fidel cares so much about poor people that they flee his utopia on rafts made of literal garbage to seek refuge in the capitalist hell that is America
really doodled muh thinkin' noodle

>>71417812
>literally the Metallica of black metal in terms of making the boring, watered down version of it that's easy to digest for non-fans

>>71428252
An overrated composer who hasn't offered anything musically to the world, just a musical idea.

>>71429763
>watered down takes on the works of left wing folk artists like Guthrie and Dylan

As someone who lives in a country (Estonia) that enjoy the "blessing" of communism for half a century, I recommend anon place a shotgun in his mouth and squeeze the trigger.

>>71419721
LOOK AT THIS PHOTOGRAPH
EVERYTIME I SEE IT MAKES ME LAUGH

>>71428252
Being appropriated by the right wing /= being right-wing
Though he had some racist tendencies, Wagner's writings and work are amenable to socialism. Any placing of him on a traditional left-right political axis is highly dubious at best.

>>71432870
Yeah, and the other half loved him. But I know you're just going to respond how they're only saying that from fear.

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>>71432824
>not reading the man behind all your favorite hits
Dive off a cliff

>>71432912
The USSR never was communist, and stopped even being worth anything as soon as Stalin took power.

>>71426746

you're beyond retarded if you honestly believe any of this.

>>71432870
See
>>71432557

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>>71433006
>>71432917
>But I know you're just going to respond how they're only saying that from fear.
See? By you own inadvertent admission you really do understand Communism.

Now stop LARPing online and go get a job.

>>71432938
I actually have read the Brian Wilson biography, thank you very much

>>71429867
LBJ was playing 6d chess when he (allegedly) said that.
Learn some history.

>>71429763
Err... Isn't Nelson a liberal who actively campaigns for marijuana legalization and use of biofuels?

>>71433025
What are you even talking about?

>>71417641

Today's right-wing was yesterday's left-wing

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>>71417641
>a gook on a bike
>a good little tyke
what did he mean by this

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>>71433025
These poor oppressed Cubans, held at gunpoint and forced to cry for his death!

I do have a job, I would appreciate if you attacked what I'm saying instead of a retarded straw man.
>>71433083
no

>>71433139
well, obviously. it's no different than here in Croatia where you were required to cry over death of glorious leader in 1980. I'm glad I didn't live in those days.

>work in gray factory
>be required to mourn some fat ginger in a captain's suit

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>>71433078
>>71433139
lmao

Domino's is always hiring, guys! They don't even care if you LARP as a Commie online!

>>71433205
it's time to stop posting, anon

>>71433193
You sure are experienced about something you weren't alive for.
>>71433205
Pic related: >>71421611

>>71433139
>>71433254
>>71433256
>I would appreciate if you attacked what I'm saying
>Fidel cared so much about poor people that he implemented a system that made sure that they stayed poor!
this is what you're saying

>>71433293
No, it's not, because that's not what happened. That's what happened according to the "communism is evil" narrative but I think we all know that doesn't align with reality pretty consistently.

>>71433293
>Fidel ... implemented a system that made sure that they stayed poor!
What are you talking about? He got RID of capitalism.

>>71433338
>>71433360
lmao
cuban people live in poverty

>>71433384
Prove it.

>>71433424
the aggregated gross national income per capita of Cuba is officially $5,539, but the take home salary for most Cubans is around $20 a month

>>71433440
Both sources and cost of living stats would be useful.

>>71433037
I know history boy he wasent as bad as conservatives make him out to be but still pretty bad president still a lot better than ford and carter

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>>71433486
>Communism does too work!
>I mean, just look at Cuba!
>Even though I have no idea what the economic conditions in Cuba really are!
lmao

Ok, I'm done playin' around with you now. Think about what I said about Domino's, squirt. They'll always need dumb people to put cheese on pies.

>>71433613
Can you go back to /pol/ already, not actually having g a coherent point flies there.

>>71433503
Aight. I can agree with that.
>>71433613
I'm not arguing over whether or not gommunizm xdd is good or not but being walled off from your nearest neighbor and one of the world's largest economies for half a century isn't going to help an island economy.

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>>71433634
>>71433744
No, you wanted to argue in favor of Communism using Cuba as an example because you don't know what the economic conditions in Cuba are. If you did then you wouldn't have tried to use Cuba in the first place.

I didn't make you look stupid, you did. That's why there's a Domino's job in the future with your name already on it.

>>71417945
You have to be retarded to believe that, American culture is so left right now it hurts.

>>71433829
For the past 25 years it's been this way

>>71433829
>>71433871
If you lived in reality and not /pol/ land, you would know American liberals are center-right.
Also being called racist when you say stupid racist shit doesn't make the person a super far leftie.
>>71433790
Cuba isn't even communist, I'm not sure what your point is. It's just not that bad and not the literal hellhole you make it out to be.
You're also really dedicated to this stupid ass dominoes joke, how many times do I have to say I have a job.

>>71433887
I don't live in /pol/ land and I'm a liberal. American culture is very left, arguably centre left. Not as left as the UK or Canada though.

Stop.

By every account in American culture you are wrong.

>>71433887
You cannot be this retarded

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>>71433887
>it wasn't real Communism

I hate to admit it but you made me laugh.

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>>71433937
>>71433942
Are you familiar with the concept of the overton window? You only think that it's far left because it's leaning more towards centrist, which is way on the left of the overton window in the US.
>>71433961
It fucking wasn't, name literally one thing about it that was communist according to a dictionary definition of communism.

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>>71434001
top kek, I had fun.

Enjoy your last (you), pizza boy.

>>71434001
The overton window is leaning actually very left and is becoming more and more exclusionary towards ideologies.

i.e Pewdiepie is a nazi.

America is left, get over it. You are objectively wrong.

>>71434001
The Overton Window is hardly centrist, it's definitely right-wing.
Anybody who genuinely believes America is actually left-wing has betrayed their right-wing bias.

>>71433790
Not the same people. That was my first post.
All I'm saying is that their economy would probably be better if they had been able to openly trade with all their neighbors during one of the most rapid periods of social and technological expansion of human history.

>>71434047
That's not even left wing, that's just stupidity.
>>71434057
That's what I'm saying, it's being pulled towards centrist so everyone thinks that's some crazy radical far left.
>>71434044
When you have no argument so you start shitposting to pretend like you won.

>>71434083
>communist countries suffer when they can't behave like capitalist countries
don't tell russia and chinas secrets comrad!

>>71434196
Engage your brain, Cletus.

>>71434533
>ad hominem
your thread's almost dead comrad! surly you can recover before it 404s!

>>71433744
>I'm not arguing over whether or not gommunizm xdd is good or not but being walled off from your nearest neighbor and one of the world's largest economies for half a century isn't going to help an island economy.
Maybe they shouldn't have been fucking commies and a state sponsor of terrorism that let the Soviets station nukes only 90 miles from the US.

>ctrl+f zappa
>0 results

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>>71435093
damn your right

FRIENDLY REMINDER THAT KARL MARX WAS AN AUTISTIC NEET WHO LIVED OFF A RICH CAPITALIST FRIEND'S MONEY AND HE NEVER ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHING ON HIS OWN. ALL HE DID WAS WRITE A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT THAT HAS NEVER WORKED AND NEVER WILL WORK, AND THE ONLY THING IT CAN LEAD TO IS PSYCHOPATHIC DEMAGOGUES GAINING POWER.

>>71435173
/thread

>>71434196
>>71434571
>comrad
Alright, Cletus, I know you're all tired from fucking your sister for the fourth time this evening, but lrn2spell.

>>71435075
>Maybe they shouldn't have been fucking commies
Nice non-argument.
>state sponsor of terrorism
What are you even talking about?
>muh Cuban Missile Crisis
Yeah, how dare they be allied with a country that shares their ideology?

Look, I'm not even that big of a fan of Cuba (left-libertarian), but you should probably try considering context.

>>71435441
>ad hominem + grammer nazi
you don't have very long comrad, chop chop

>>71435173
>autistic
Not an argument.
>NEET and all the other bullshit in your post
He was actually a journalist. You know, for a newspaper. Learn some history.
>never worked
lol
Also
>all communists are Marxist
>>71435329
No need to reply to yourself, mi amigo.

>>71435173
this

>>71433829
only reason it appears that way is because of the internet and young people. most americans are still center-right.

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>>71435119
...damn.

Communism completely destroyed in nine words.

>>71435557
I'm not son

>>71435093
>>71435119
>>71435613
>Zappa spends his entire career sarcastically deriding the American propaganda machine and people not doing their own research and being mindless sheep except for him
>yet eventually falls for the propaganda anyway and does no research into communism whatsoever
What a shame. If he had actually been introduced to some leftist literature, he'd probably be a full left-libertarian. Many of his songs criticize the end results of capitalism (like corporations, consumerism, media being used to brainwash the masses), but he never put two and two together and realized what the source of all that was.
His work against the PMRC was still very admirable, though.

>>71435708
>zappa was so much stupider than me, he never put two and two together
>if only he had been indoctrinated
too hilarious comrad!

>>71435765
>>indoctrinated
>implying that it isn't indoctrination that drills the "gommunizm bad, gabidalizm gud" mindset into people in the first place
>implying that voluntarily reading literature on the subject you're talking about is indoctrination
lmao Cletus

>>71435976
>zappa liking to own his stuff is the real indoctrination here!
>too bad he was so dumb he didn't realize he really didn't like owning his own stuff!
>he should have voluntarily read some propaganda that would have stated otherwise!
you're a funny guy comrad!

>>71436096
>hurr durr gommunizm wants to take my stuff
>hurr durr all books about gommunizm are propaganda but all books about gabidalizm are objective fact
You're a funny guy, Cletus!

>>71436131
>it wasn't real communism!
>it was just a prank bro!
page 6 comrad!

>>71436173
>>it wasn't real communism
>implying I literally ever at all said that
Now you're just making stuff up, Cletus. Fitting for a liberal.

>>71436203
>stalling
page 7 now comrad!

>>71436243
>>stalling
It's already on autosage, Cletus. Though I can forgive you for not knowing how the website works, considering how technologically illiterate you are.

>>71436283
>evasion
not very impressive comrad!

>>71436324
You'd know all about evasion, Cletus. After all, your sister tries to evade you every day.

>>71436560
>....aaaaaand we're back to ad hominem!
now page 8 comrad! chop chop!

>>71436588
I'll stop putting up ad hominem when you put up real arguments, Cletus.

>>71417994
National socialist party
I got news for you

>>71436662
I have news for you.
You are a gullible sheep.

>>71436617
soon this page will be archived and your shameful inability to convince anyone that good can come from communism will be entombed for all eternity!

page 9 comrad! CHOP CHOP!

>>71436762
More like your shameful inability to actually form an argument, Cletus.

>>71436788
>....aaaaaand we're back to evasion!
now page 10 comrad!

>>71436834
Please explain evasion to me, Cletus. Without a dictionary?

>>71417706
It's definitely 50/50.

This trend exists EVERYWHERE.

>>71436858
>...aaaaaand we're back to stalling!
page 10! COMRAD!!!! your time's almost out!

I have cancer.
Thanks.

>>71436989
Stalling? Pray tell, Cletus, what am I stalling? I know your sister stalls you from raping her every day, but besides that...

>>71437064
even russia and red china abandoned communism for capitalism! I guess you're just obsessed with LOSING and being on the wrong side of history!! a very sad decision on your part, COMRAD! oh well!