Is there any albums with deep philosophical meanings or questions?

tool sucks chodes

>>71300861
>deep philosophical meanings or questions
>vidya

>>71300867
>>71300879
Give some music you pickles.

The meanginful and less preachy, bloated stuff is usually in a more meta sense rather than being presented explicitly in the content, as in most of modern to contemporary classical music...
>vidya
oh dropped

Wagner - Tristan, Lohengrin, Parsifal, Der Ring
Schoenberg - Everything starting with Pierrot Lunaire
Stockhausen - everything
Feldman - everything

Could go on you piece of shit

>>71300928
Go on.

>>71300908
How about give some examples instead of being such a autist because I mentioned Vidya in the same sentence as philosophical.

>>71300861
I think that black sabbath has pretty deep lyrics about life in vol4, sabbath bloody sabbath and sabotage. Obviously the music is the trulu imortant thing but I enjoy a lot how a song like wheels of confusion has all that first part with the questioning about innocence and shit and then there's the cool buildup with the angry part and then it chills out again when the narrator takes a more nihilistic and cold approach to life, giving the riff a whole new spin imho. Geezer was a great lyricist

>>71300996
Finally. A smart post in my thread.

>>71301037
You have terrible taste I have to say

Dmitri Shostakovich's String Quartets (all of them)
John Coltrane - Olatunji (or Ascension if Olatunji is too low fidelity)
Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan - Shahen Shah
Deathspell Omega's "trilogy" (SMRC, Fas, and Paracletus)
Swans - Soundtracks For The Blind

>>71300867
Said it like such a nu male.

>>71301100
>John Coltrane - Olatunji (or Ascension if Olatunji is too low fidelity)
>Implying instrumental music can have meaning
Cringe

>>71300861

Music isn't supposed to deal with deep philosophical meanings/questions, and because of the limitations of its medium it will literally never be able to deal with them anywhere near as extensively or with as much depth as film, literature, vidya, etc.

>>71301163
>>71301209
Underage

>>71301163
>implying it doesn't have objective qualities that can be analyzed
>not wanting to look at the actual music itself to understand what's going on
Really hoping I am being baited here, because this is a whole new level of stupidity.

>>71301250
I'm just saying.

strawberry jam

Modest mouses' early albums for sure

>>71301209
kek

Everyone who posted in this thread is a complete faggot

>>71300861
How bout you lurk more than a day before posting.

https://youtu.be/k0x77EdoXhw

>>71301355
agreed

Lol I'm a faggot

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>>71301290
>>71301237

prove me wrong.

name a single album or piece that has the depth of a book like Gravity's Rainbow. It's just not possible.

>>71301407
name a single book that gets your body moving like jon hopkins or has the trance-like effects of music for 18 musicians. they're different mediums. they are not the same. shut the fuck up

>>71301407
The entirety of a work like The Art Of Fugue or really anything in the realm of New Complexity art music is easily far more complex than Gravity's Rainbow. Gravity's Rainbow has a lot of characters plus a pretty mathematical approach to writing, but that ain't shit compared to moments of increasingly intense polyphony/plyrhythms or having a basis in more complex mathematics like the works of someone like Stockhausen.

The sheer fact that you think you have it all figured out only shows how it's actually tougher to reach into the depths of music due to how much more esoteric and abstract of a medium it is compared to simple/straightforward mediums like film or literature.

>>71301163
>>71301209
Ok kids, heres a little question for you little breast-feeders
which song sounds sad?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZq_jeYsbTs
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3E5YIP-DvU

>>71300928
wagner, stockhausen, the list goes on…

>>71301209
kill yourself neckbeard

>>71301546
>>71301471

okay hang on a second I thought we were talking about *philosophical* depth/meaning/questions, not "getting your body moving" or being in a trance or whatever.

>>71301471

>they're different mediums. they are not the same.

that's exactly what I'm trying to say you fucking retarded cunt-mouth, and because of that it means music CANNOT EXPRESS WHAT OP IS SAYING the way other art mediums can.

>>71301601
You made your example of depth from Gravity's Rainbow, which is a work not lauded for muh deepness because of themes it covers, but how it covers them. I gave examples of music with complex processes as a counterpoint.

You guys are caring too much about the what and not enough about the how/why. This won't get you far in life in general.

>>71301601
irony: the post

>>71300879
>hasn't played planescape torment

>vidya

vidya is for children

>>71300879
>>71300908
>>71302653
>what is Metal Gear Solid

>>71301552
not those guys but both seem pretty depressing desu

>>71300879
Every medium has works that have that
You're a retard if you think otherwise

>>71303551
Complex gameplay mechanichs with no overreach whatsoever.

>>71300879
>He hasn't play The Sims 5
Best game of 2018
10/10

>>71301601
So youre saying poetry is not a form of literature right? Because music is often a backing to poetry

>>71300861
Nine Inch Nails - The Downward Spiral comes to mind. Here's a link to a great dissertation of sorts:

http://www.4degreez.com/nailz/ninterpretations/downspiral.html

>>71301694
got em

>>71301163
Bait

>>71305064

>Because music is often a backing to poetry

*bad poetry

>>71303551
literally the only MGS game with any artistic depth is MGS2

>>71305437
What the fuck is this chart?

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>>71301163
>Thinks instrumental music can't have meaning
>Says it about one the most spiritual and powerful musicans of all time
How's 8th grade goin bud

>>71306447
wut about 3

Im not a vidya guy, I played 3 and enjoyed it. Is 2 really better?

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Don't bother unless your IQ is at least 115.

>>71307208
No, it isn't.

3 is the GOAT.

>>71300861
Music is unique in that absolute music exists in a realm outside of most concrete mediums. It's a "nonrepresentstive" art form which means the themes explored within the notes are not concrete.

I know it sounds pretentious but it's a reason there aren't any super specific themes in a lot of albums. There are pieces like NEU! where the emotionality heavily implies specific ideas but doesn't write them in stone.

>>71306432
Even if you've never heard good lyrics doesn't mean that they can't exist or be written. Most musicians aren't poets. The fact still stands, however, that there is nothing that inherently limits lyrics from being good poetry. If you take a good poem and then sing over music, it doesn't suddenly become bad poetry because of that.

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>>71300861
the only true answer

That one NMH album grapples with problems like, if I had a time machine could I actually fuck a dead Jewish girl?

I feel like no other medium has dealt with such a complex issue before