>yfw rotational velocidensity is real http://consequence

Shit sucks - my dad has a massive jazz collection that he's been building since the early 90s, and he's starting to find disks that won't play certain tracks, or won't play at all.

Fuck me, we should have stuck with vinyl.

VINYLFAGS WERE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>70886618
>>70886674
Albini will be laughing his ass off. My copy of The Rich Man's 8track Tape has a whole screed on the disk itself and in the liner notes about how foolish CDs/digital media are and how you should use the disk as a tray for a breakfast sandwich

CD fags BTFO

>>70886618
Doesn't disc rot only really affect CD-Rs after a short time and most CDs will actually last a lot longer before giving in? I swear I heard that somewhere before

>>70886729
As I recall he was saying how pointless they were as an improvement over vinyl for example their supposed durability for what reason? So you could serve drinks on it? Something like that.

You all are aware how very easily this is disproven especially with discogs right? Just simply start at the very first CDs ever made.

Records also wear down and skip after years of longterm use. No need to get all reactionary over it.

rotational velocidensity is only for MP3s moron

>>70886906
Oh vinyl is fucking horrible. Laser needles exist for a reason.

>>70886906
>what are laser needles

>>70886904
>very easily this is disproven especially with discogs right?
discogs actually mention if cds have discrot or not

>>70886758
>Doesn't disc rot only really affect CD-Rs
I will admit, I had some instances with disc rot personally, and it was only on a certain brand of CD-Rs. I've never seen it on a commercially-produced silver-back CD

>>70887099
Well that's pretty interesting but not surprising. Any particular examples?

>>70886758
>>70887178
It definitely happens with normal CDs after a while.

>>70886945
How much are they?

>>70887228
What CDs? And how long is a while?

I have some 20 year old CDs that are fine.

>>70887209
actually looked up this a few days ago
https://www.discogs.com/Current-93-H%C3%96H-Island/release/219427

happens once in a while, someone writes it in the notes
some manufacturers are worse than others

>>70887278
I don't know - ask my dad; he's the one having the problems. It's not a massive issue yet - I think he has five that are a problem out of maybe three or four hundred.

>>70887351
>I don't know
Thanks for the great information!

>>70887384
Like I ever claimed to have specific disk releases to hand, you dork

>>70887410
If you don't have pertinent information, why bother posting?

>>70887332
That's unfortunately almost useless and kind of irresponsible considering the site whose entire point is to methodically differentiate the different pressings etc.

Is this made up? I just went and checked out some CDs and video games out of curiosity, all well over 20 years old, and they look exactly the same.

>>70887429
Legit laughed - thanks anon

>>70886618

Disc rot is more of an indication of manufacturing defect rather than a naturally-occuring stage. CDs from the 80's that aren't affected by this still work fine, given if you take good care of them.

CD-Rs on the other hand last very little time, except maybe for those expensive archiva-grade golden ones.

I had a video game subscription back in the late 90s/early 00s, where I would get a game per month in the mail. Almost all the discs are damaged now, tiny holes in the reflective surface.

i have a whole bunch of cd-rw that are fucked up like this

wow, things are finite. who would have thought....

>>70887430
Seems more responsible than irresponsible to me. It's also a market for buying/selling music.

And cdrs in general are very easily damaged by comparison

>>70887438
Googling disk rot seems to say it is

>the anon talking about lossy audio files losing quality every year was right all along

wtf I hate digital media now

>>70887438
It's not like all CDs are identical anon. None of my cars have had any problems, but cars do get problems.

>>70887477
Wut

It's grossly irresponsible. The specific pressing with the label number etc should be clearly matched to the claim rather than "some early copies may suffer." That should literally be removed and replaced with a request for anyone with actual information to please share it. That kind of extreme generality is embarrassing for discogs.

>>70887516
Cars are expected to break at some point. CDs are not, this is sort of a phenomenon. And just because you read something on the internet doesn't make it true. You'll excuse me if until this becomes widespread or happens to me personally I'll take it with the tiniest grain of salt.

>>70886618
Who gives a shit? I just buy CDs to put them in the shelf, and then torrent all the tracks anyway.

>>70887561
What the fug

I bought a used CD from 1979 that had no signs of wear whatsoever.

>>70887561

just rip the tracks you doofus

>>70886618
which is why we rip the files off of the CD right?

Looking online it seems to be a bigger problem with games - I wonder if they had shittier manufacturing processes? Anyway, this article seems realistic about it all.

http://tedium.co/2017/02/02/disc-rot-phenomenon/

>>70887601
Why would I do that? That's much more effort than torrenting usually.

>>70887590
>1979
Ru4reel

>>70887532
Well this was just an example of it being written on discogs, discogs isn't just one person you know. I've noticed it probably since the mid 2000s on the discogs forum, also been a few threads regarding infamous manufacturers whose releases are susceptible to it. I've only seen it on a few non-music CDs myself though.

Also there are variables, obviously it isn't 100% certain that my KREC 003 CD will have disc rot if my neighbor's CD from same pressing has it.

>>70887590

>CD
>1979

>>70886904
there are lots of threads regarding disc rot/bronzing on discogs actually.

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>>70887561

>>70887620
I made out of wood and etched the data in with a pointy stick

>>70887613
no it's not

>>70887662
>Ignoring risk of termites

>>70887612

Vidya use cheap ass discs because video game companies are cheap fucks and because you only need to read the content from the disc once; the disc is then just used to confirm you still own the game

The quality has gone even further down in recent years because they use one-time DRM keys for Steam/Origin/etc. to play your installed files instead of reading the disc

>>70887699
tfw bought a game once and it just installed steam from the disc

>>70887719
Yeah happened to me as well. Wish I could remember what game that was.

>>70887719
>Buy WoW
>CD just installs a torrent client and downloads the whole game

>>70886618
>will last a hundred years they said

>>70887620
>>70887622
CDs did actually exist in 1979. they were just not on public market yet

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>>70886618
All physical media degrades and eventually fails. If you are collecting anything it needs to be converted and stored on multiple Hard Drives.

>>70888111

Did your dad work for Philips?

>>70888375

>SSDs longer lasting than HDDs

Bullshit, SSDs are famously unreliable and prone to killing themselves

>>70886714
haha

>>70888517
im not that guy. i was just pointing that out

>>70887590
Dude I have CDs from 1910 that still work fine

>>70889072
guess that makes up for the fact that you can't use google

>>70888375

Why does this say a vinyl record will last for 100 years when used regularly?

>>70888375
This is an awful infograph. Most of it is just plain false, or assuming the worst case scenario for some forms and best case scenario for others.

>>70886618
>still have some DVDs back from when DVD players were introduced
>went to play one a few months ago
>just freezes up, skips, blocky etc
>figure its got a smudge on the disc
>the disc has disc rot which i'd only ever heard of up till that point
>other old DVDs from the early days are degrading too

If this happens to blu ray one day I'll be pissed.

>>70888375
>CD is rated 100 on the infographic
>CDs do actually suffer from disc rot and its begun on CDs less than 20 years sold

>>70890174
DVDs are a pain in the ass. They're more sensitive to scratches than CDs.

At least blu-rays have that outer coating.

>>70890174
All of my CDs from the 80's still play fine but I have a number of DVDs from 2001 - 2004 that are already falling apart.

>>70888640
that happens because retards keep deleting and installing new shit on the SSDs.
that's why some video games with denuvo (a DRM) are pretty dangerous to install on a SSD, denuvo creates and overwrites a lot of files while playing.

If you use a SSD as long-term storage it's almost impossible to break them.

>>70890328

That Denuvo thing has been long debunked though. Still a shit system

>>70888375
>the cloud

Get this big data shill garbage out of here

>>70888375
>the cloud
yeah dude i want to lose all my straight legal porn in case of a worldwide EMP.

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>>70887561

>>70890321
This. My parents used to buy me a season of The Simpsons every Christmas. Started watching through them again and some of the disks are just unwatchable. It's only been ~15 years.

there is no way to store music which does not eventually degrade
flash memory is probably your best bet at the moment
rip all your cds

>>70888375
this right here: >>70889476
don't vinyls degrade very quickly with regular use?

>>70886945
>>70886979
>Uses vinyl for hifi sound
>Uses a laser needle
>Damn I feel like a fucking astronaut

>>70887228
>It definitely happens with normal CDs after a while.

You sound pretty sure for somebody who has never personally seen it happen.

>>70887278
This. I have 34 year old CDs that still play fine.

>>70886674
>Fuck me, we should have stuck with vinyl.
Vinyl never gets damaged.

I tried to warn you. I really did. But you didn't listen.

>>70886908
Rotational velocidensity doesn't exist you worthless fuckwad cunt

>>70887667

Not him but I have to disagree, I do find it can actually be easier (and faster) just to download something than rip it myself.

>>70886618

Only a few cds manifactured in the 80s are affected by disc-rot. Then they fixed the problem and everything pressed since will probably last a very long time.
I have a huge collection of cds and all my old records still play with no problem.