/classical/

Gesualdo was a literal cuck.

Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLy31-Z7E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w433wbM14Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDU4qwaI80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESzlizAafE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7jem-LgKgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MU1T6uDXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s22fNJdICQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an77qFp0Y9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BSfYz4_Gbg

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>posting Schumann instead of Schubert
OP is a faggot.
What're you listening to for his birthday?

>>70726632
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSG1CTVD4fo

>>70726632
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOiF0KTCI6Y

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9MnfxNfD2c

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>>70726314
>the music that got me into playing an instrument
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uInUkHElPYM
>the piece that I want to play the most
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGuBCas2vf4

>>70726632
D. 956

Mozart is overrated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kjX4YNy39M

>>70726314
>the piece that got you into playing an instrument
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkt75juxvxw

>the piece you want to play the most
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3V2g5kqdM4

Is it possible to estimate many years it would it take to be able to play that reasonably well?

>>70727099
depends how well and often you practice

>>70727069

Depends on what Mozart

>>70726314
I know nothing about classical but I'm in love with this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ307sM0t-0

more like it? or just anything I guess

>>70727636
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqA3qQMKueA

>>70727069
this will always be true

>>70727815
thank you very much

>>70727815
>Hahn

why are you doing this man

I was forced to take piano lessons as a kid and hated every single second of playing piano until I quit and taught myself

>>70727863
She's cute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xZl1_NXKls

>>70727898
that's why you're shit now
have some discipline you ungrateful brat

I wish I was forced to take piano lessons

>>70727898
psyduck is my favorite pokemon

>>70727908
>runs social media accounts from the perspective of her violin case
>cute

If you mean autistic, then yeah

>>70727953
>runs social media accounts from the perspective of her violin case
what

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>>70728079

>>70726314

>Post the piece that got you into playing an instrument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTWKbfoikeg

wish i was joking.

>>70728127
oops, almost forgot it

>Post the piece you want to play the most.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvFH_6DNRCY

Advice on how to compose expressionist pieces? I really want to get into that style of music.

>>70728212
just make neo romantic like every other hack composer

not like anyone can tell the difference

>>70728212
Isn't expressionism linked with second Viennese school?

>>70728164

Nice try.

>>70728212
listen to pierrot lunaire

Listening to serialism is a highly dangerous and ultimately pointless exercise, but unfortunately for some people it constitutes part of an academic syllabus. Even worse, one may have to learn to 'appreciate' it if one is to ever take up a teaching post in music. What follows are some tips on how to carry out this difficult task:

Performing serialism live is in fact impossible so you will need to purchase a recording performed by robots.

When putting in the CD or tape you will experience excessive sweating, dangerously high heart rates, and an impulse to scream. This is perfectly normal and is part of your body's natural defense against viruses and bacteria.

When playing the music you must find some way to minimize the sound that you actually hear. Some recommended methods are: earplugs; humming; regularly going to raves and standing in front of speaker stacks. What is important is that anyone else listening to it with you does not notice these measures, otherwise they may believe you are not "appreciating".
Suitable ways to describe the music after it has finished are: "moving", "intense", "so representative of the pain and complexity of modern society". Under no circumstances should you say anything related to the truth.

Analyzing each and every tone row of the piece is also recommended. Although a worthless and soul-destroying exercise, it will help you better "understand" and "appreciate" the piece. By this stage the urge to kill will probably be spiraling out of control so you may well want to have a sitter to watch over you and tie you down if necessary.

does /classical have an irc channel?

>>70729167
yes, but you must complete cicada 3301's puzzle to join

We live in a time when many people experience their lives as empty and lacking in fulfillment. The decline of religion and the collapse of communism have left but the ideology of the free market whose only message is: consume, and work hard so you can earn money to consume more. Yet even those who do reasonably well in this race for material goods do not find that they are satisfied with their way of life. We now have good scientific evidence for what philosophers have said throughout the ages: once we have enough to satisfy our basic needs, gaining more wealth does not bring us more happiness.

>>70729255
if there's something you enjoy doing that satisfies a social need, you can derive fulfillment from doing that, as long as the action itself is the main goal

why are most singers utter shits
I think I've met a grand total of about two "pure" singers who I actually like and who actually know something about music

Also I discovered that Kaufmann is singing an Otello (as the title role) this summer at ROH. what the fuck

>>70728079
her instagram account is basically her roleplaying as her violin case

but now that she's had a baby and posts political stuff about Trump she's not as interesting as she used to be

wtf i love leonhardt now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeG_dCsqAvY

>>70729838
Leonhardt's last concert is right up there with Wunderlich's. Incredible stuff

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL605ABAA04A7FD027

>>70729871
nice

>>70729802
Which ones?

>>70730133
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pze4NxCOjg0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMq65jbleEA

>>70730156
You met Quasthoff? I read he retired years ago. There's videos of him jazz singing which I thought was pretty cool and funny.

Koroliov's interpretation of WTC1 is amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWrgrqaoEJk&index=4&list=PLWBVVW3twekgt98FBQ19J4Zx4dDdMmV2J

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbxnnC22gwY

this, specifically this version. wouldnt say im a religious guy but this piece is other worldly.

who /brass/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD70Sp5rHCw

>tfw I will never ever be able to play the third movement of Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata

>>70730500
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu3uZ4Yurvc

>>70730542
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7GftdLYSsI

>>70730231
no I've not met Quasthoff

but I have spent a week with Kirkby who is top-tier waifu material

who's the most daddy composer?

>>70731073
haydn

>>70730464
Is this HIP?

>>70731073
Bach

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>>70731320
>fathered twenty children

god damn

>>70730500
>tfw barely any good solo music for trombone

I really want to give this a try, it's one of the earliest solo compositions for sackbut.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePwa3JCXntg

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Yo I'm a first year music major and I want get a good grasp on composing simple phrases with diatonic chords before doing things like secondary functions, modulation etc, but the thing is I am having trouble practicing. I have been reading fundamentals of music composition by schoenberg and he says to start with 2 bars of I-V and sketch like crazy but i feel im just writing arpeggio forms rather than motives and phrases. Help please ill suck your dick

>>70732127
ive no idea, no knowledge or experience with this, but could the following be helpful? start by writing down music you like whose score you haven't read and analyzing what makes it sound the way it does, then let that inspire your own ideas

perhaps writing it down will connect intuitive and explicit understanding and reveal structure to you

Where to go for more rhythmic, percussive stuff after Reich's Drumming?

>>70733208
Veres

>>70733208
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKmK-nFdMXM

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>>70733208
Personally this is one of my favorites, or anything by Les Percussions de Strasbourg

>>70727953
>not social media savvy = not a good violinist

If you mean an absolute fucking genius, then yeah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ODiho2E1ZM

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>>70726314
Cemetary Gates (wrong album but whatever)

>piece that got me into playing my instrument
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2FGE8h8YSw

>piece I want to play
I can play most bass rep pretty comfortably by now. Later bits in this are still hard to play in tune and smoothly though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o9ta5wz6Gc

>>70733860
This is a classical thread retard, go back to your children's music thread

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Why is he so underrated here?

>>70734004
what are you talking about, he's highly praised here as the greatest bach shill of all time

>>70734057
I don't ever see him mentioned

>>70734004
That violin concerto is catchy stuff.

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Post albums you wanted to get but couldn't because the cover looked too ridiculous

>>70716324

>>70733990
>implying g*rman bogposers wouldn't be fuming with jealousy if they heard the sleep solo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gwdT9IKb9s

>>70733982
Edgar is an absolute monster but damn those trills are hard to listen to

Lonati
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i34r_eRGmwY

is this classical?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAVIZe5lKow

>>70734004
They can't into style I guess. I seem to be the only one who posts him. Mostly his piano concerto No.1 and sometimes his string quartets.

Mendelssohn and Yuja Wang seem to be two things /classical/ struggle with

>>70736492
They're just mad that they're getting cucked by Asians.

What's the best melancholic classical, no memes?

>>70737304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJe4FJ6qMDg

Is having 8 different camera angles jumping every second a thing now ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-zCkDOwNTs&spfreload=10
The comment section has r/classical written all over it.

>>70737348
Not exactly classical.

>>70737304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUOIzCeSIY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8as_BN5h5YQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJaXP49YQ5s

All semi-memes. Most people who aren't classical music listeners wouldn't recognize them, though.

>>70737465
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUOIzCeSIY
You could have at least posted a decent recording.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IH7iZFlS2E&spfreload=10

>>70727069
You're a little faggot aren't you

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>>70737465
>When all I did was fap to porn, do drugs, and sleep, I wished I had a successful life and someone to share it with. Now that I have a career and a fiancee, I wish I could fap to porn, do drugs, and sleep all day.

damn...

>>70738512
Makes you think.....

>>70738512
le_creepy-eyed_french_existentialist_man.png

>>70737304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkZvyA69wCo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQsgE0L450

>>70738759
>no memes
>adagio for strings

hmmm, guess you have brain damage

>>70737304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2j5QJw3wGU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AneABJXRym8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHIux8A61Tw

This is going to sound stupid but are there any flowcharts for /classical/? I want to know what to move onto after Chopin

>>70737304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0GzEDSlLsg

>>70738842
>after Chopin
>starting with Chopin

go fuck yourself

>>70737304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-I7wbMY-A4

>>70738864
well I started with Purcell, Beethoven, and Handel but I'm guessing that's not better

where do you want me to start

>>70738842
Try the composers Vivaldi, Handel, Bach, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Mendelssohn, Schumann, Chopin, Liszt, Wagner, Verdi, Brahms, Tchaikovsky, Dvorak, Mahler, Debussy, Strauss, Rachmaninoff, Stravinsky, Prokofiev, and Shostakovich.

>>70738893
go buy some strong rope

>>70738911
ah see I am listening to Rachmaninoff playing Chopin right now that's why I asked. Thanks!

>>70738911
>Mozart
this but without mozart

>>70738911
>>70738930
Forgot to include Monteverdi, Domenico Scarlatti, Berlioz, Janacek, Puccini, Scriabin, Schoenberg, Ravel, Bartok, and Messiaen.

>>70737304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fihOAa98-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9n3ajGQSq8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUcyvuGqOXU

>>70738930
You can also check out Machaut, Josquin, and Palestrina if you're interested in medieval/renaissance music.

>>70738960
>>70738946
thanks anon

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>>70727069

>>70736092
No.

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>>70727069

>>70739481

pls no

>>70739481
DELET

To play Rachmaninoff in the piano you really need big hands or that's a meme?
Also, are there more pieces that sound like this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhLDse5R8dQ

>>70740023
Yeah his music is sexist. Pianos are sexist

>>70739082
Not that anon, but if you're overwhelmed, just listen to Liszt.

Lotti's Requiem is pretty good m8s

>>70740989
I don't even know who the FUCK that is.

>>70741451
Neither did I but you should listen to it m8

>>70741474
I'll give it a go. What recording did you listen to? (assuming more than one available)

>>70741503
I think there's only one and it's conducted by Thomas Hengelbrock.

There's one on Youtube too

>>70741569
Go to bed, lotti

>>70740989
His various "independent" crucifixus settings are good too. The 8-voice one is the most famous, but the 6 and 10 voice settings are good too

Post decadent music.

What are /classical/'s thoughts on the work of Jan Kalivoda, Norbert Burgmuller, Franz Lachner, Johannes Verhulst, Franz Xaver Schnyder von Wartensee, Eduard Franck, Carl Reinecke, Johann Joseph Abert, Woldemar Bargiel, Robert Volkmann, Albert Dietrich, Felix Draeseke, and Friedrich Gernsheim?

>>70734749

The irony of this

B O G

I

L

L

Y

S

predicament is delicious. Respond and risk having your favorite bog boogies trashed again OR keep quiet and accept the original trashing.

>>70743426
*responds

>>70743426
(You) sound desperate

>>70743564
he's a literal retard who can't use the archive for some reason

>>70743579
You should listen to Mozart desu

>>70743792
what if i am tho

>>70743963
Then you should keep doing that

Listen to MOzart in perpetuity, everyone.

>>70743579

It's way older than 7 days, moron.

>>70744126
you are a special kind of stupid

it took me 20 seconds to find the post you were referring to--there's more than the archive provided on this site, you know.

>>70740989
Lotti's sacred works are great in general.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AATXv9Ve8CE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5PU97xMIc4

>>70744158
>search other random domains for content formerly located on this site

It took me less than that to figure out you're a bunch of retards.

>>70744208
>random domains
so you're stupid and a newfag. the archive provided for 4chan on the website itself is a very recent invention, before that third parties hosted archives, which still remains common knowledge, and just about every plugin for 4chan itself (4chan x and all of its forks) utilize those archives as well.

a simple google search for "/mu/ archive" brings you to the site you needed, dumbass.

>>70744158
>>70744208

No wait, I found a comment of your that indicates you're not a mong. Too bad it's on dozens.of.bootlegged.shit.sites.4.fags.that.no.ever.uses.dot.org.com.slash.eat.shit.com and no else will ever see it.

Welp...you can always write a fugue.

>>70744254
>this site
>the archives
>this board
>this general
>bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpA4ldGoHRQ

>>70744262
>>70744291
Listen to some goddamn Mozart, motherfucker.

Petzold

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>>70744531

Listen to PEtzold in perpetuity, everyone.

>>70744555
faggot

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>>70744555
Nice trips anon but please don't steal my pics

Just saw Der fliegende Holländer and i was pretty blown away, it being the first wagner i've seen live. Rec some good recordings of it please, and wagners in general i guess

Petzold is just Panufnik for weenies

o boy i love bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UTnOON8x64

>>70744641
faggot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsDxg4ftKbg
This is v. nice

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>>70738778
>>70738759
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQsgE0L450

I unironically really like this. What else is similar?

>>70744697
Who si the best composer between Pez, Pezel, and Petzold?

New poll on /classical/'s sexuality

http://www.strawpoll.me/12249385

http://www.strawpoll.me/12249385

http://www.strawpoll.me/12249385

>>70744715
Oh yeah? Well I only like it ironically. Suck on that.

>>70744715
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-pVz2LTakM

>>70744647
Keilberth, Klemperer, Konwitschny

Dohnányi for good modern sound

>>70744745
Is that 'queer' in the insulting way or 'queer' in the contemporary empowering reclaimed way?

>>70744740
Pandolfi

>>70744800
Pandolfi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYsbdlyAAMU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7_5aIpnfGA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aT_DssUI8U

>>70744796
I'm not a native English speaker, but I've always known the word to have both meanings. I'm using it in the Wikipedia non-het sense.

>>70744842
Well the insulting meaning is archaic. NOrmally you'd say faggot (or dyke for lesbians) if you want to insult/offend.

>>70726314
>Renaissance Folder #2. Motets and madrigals (plus Leiden choirbooks)
>https://mega.co.nz/#F!il5yBShJ!WPT0v8GwCAFdOaTYOLDA1g
>Old World Christmas - Pomerium - Archiv.rar
Anyone know the password?

What are some good beginner-intermediary piano pieces? That sound good and can develop technique.

>>70745038
nvm, it's pippo9

>>70745080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhCOWKIZ_8g

>>70736492
slowly starting to appreciate poly

are you a gemini?

What do you guys think of Villa Lobos?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl9gARaZSow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxzP1XPCGJE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-HZYe5kqSQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGVfyKnL9-U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2_LDC-WQQ0

>>70745749
Meh

>>70745749
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kmw_xsDwck

>>70745824
fuck off faggot go jack off to stravinsky no taste cum skin faggots
villa-lovos is too advanced for your prion infested brain

fucking degenerate

This single song compelled me to start playing the banjo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shMo_raYxbs&list=PL722BB8193C5D34B4

>>70745885
Every banjo player I've ever known fucked their cousins.

>>70745921
So how was she?

>>70745921
I never woulda guessed Steve Martin would be into cousin fucking.

>>70745749
Is there any other composer with similar music? Just asking, I'm curious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3Mj6HBbvXM

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>>70745824

any good, comprehensive recordings of Lassus' madrigals?

Complete beginner to classical music, but I've been listening to some stuff and this is by far my favourite so far
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HDmIFT0pHY
Can you guys suggest anything else like it for me?

Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8njujtQPDM

>>70744715
You could try this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aKxf1h5r4g

>>70745285
Libra

>>70747109
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoultibNlus

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>>70726314
>>70727069
Anyone else trying to stop under-appreciating his piano sonatas?

>>70748504
>Libra
fuck, that makes sense

libras are oddballs but highly individualistic and intellectual

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Speaking of the astrology, post an album you enjoy and your sign

Taurus

>>70749102

star signs of famous composers

http://www.52composers.com/starsigns.html

>>70748917
Check the websites of various schools, their requirements are usually listed
Also no. You need like three pieces from contrasting historical periods, scales and chords, plus sight-reading

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>>70749102
Scorpio

>>70749144
>aries
alpha
>gemini
autistic
>leo
douchebag
>taurus
asshole
>aquarius
elegant
>pisces
cuck
>cancer
drama queen
>libra
nerd
>sagittarius
retarded
>virgo
hack

and the universe is in order

Petzold

Post the sexiest classical piece.
Hard mode: no cuck music.

>>70750007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4j-Aj4XLxE

>>70739481
pls yes

>>70750007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmf2H7IxNDY

last few lines:
"If you'll love me I won't be lazy
I will fuck all night long, I will thrust like a ram"

>>70750007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYyK922PsUw

SENSUAL

>>70737304
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-G272M77N0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnjnwVS53ko
First couple minutes of this are really special https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl2rTLs5mu4

>>70748917
Not even close. Op. 13 isn't difficult, most serious pianists I know can sight read pieces of that caliber perfectly at half tempo and acceptably at full tempo. To play it well is another matter but even then that sonata isn't particularly profound or perplexing.

Op. 53, 57, 106, 109, and 111 are closer to what music schools deem advanced. Unless teaching high school mouth breathers is appealing to you, I would reconsider pursuing any career involving music if you still have to ask questions like that. It's okay to only play for fun!

hey if I can play all twelve of Alkan's minor key etudes and a few other pieces of similar difficulty would that put me in the conversation to get into a decent school

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>>70749102
Virgo tbqhwyfam

Where do I start with Berg?

>>70751122
violin concertos are a good place to start with anyone... fag

>>70750007
>I was friendless among strangers
>My life was empty and meaningless
>But when I saw you I knew at once That you belonged to me
>Suddenly i understood who i was, and I understood my emotions,
>Truth rang in my ears as clear as a bell when you first stumbled into my frosty winter world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOJtZIkWVKE

>>70750007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WamJfADBKQU

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Aquarius

Why is Wagner every dilletante's favorite composer?

>>70751112
>hack sign likes hack composer
interesting, that was unexpected

>>70751739
Because he is the true patricians choice.

petzold

>>70751739
Yes, cultural dellitantes love twelve hour operas, what's up with that?

any soft autistic baroque pieces you can rec?

>>70753791
Scarlatti = alpha
Handel = beta
Bach = gamma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0H-EAkLr8I

>>70753791
All Vivaldi

>>70753791
harpsichord goes hard

Pop sensation now or classical legend only after death? Vote.

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>>70751739
I'm a dilettante in the sense that I love classical music and art, but cannot play an instrument or paint, or even write reasonably well, and I hate Wagner very much

>>70753852
>Vivaldi soft
wew

>>70753852
>Vivaldi
>autistic
>implying flaming gays are autistic

petzold

>>70755428
petzold more like putzold

>>70755482
it's well established that miley cyrus plagiarized petzold in her last album

>tfw no composer friends to talk about ideas with

>>70755810
I talk with Mozart

>>70755827
Can Mozart give me any advice on how to finish my slow movement?

>>70755901
use a fade out effect

>>70755947
can confirm, i was mozart's sound engineer

>>70755947
I don't need the ending more like the beginning and middle

I gravitate towards late classical and romantic time periods when I'm in a classical music mood because the music is very emotional and I like to close my eyes and imagine things like a lush wood with streams flowing through and deer getting a drink and young lovers having a picnic and such. Does anyone else do this?

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>>70756085

>>70756117
You what? That was a serious question.

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>>70756085
>this amount of autism

>>70756665
faggot

>>70756085
most romantic music sounds sociopathic to me, like someone tries to express grandiloquent feelings of awe and fraternity they've actually never had in real life.

>>70726314
I play electric bass but Bach's chello suites got me into attempting to play classical music. I hope to play chromatic fantasy one day.

>>70756665
the irony is strong here

Hi friends what instrument should I learn if I realistically want to be able to play in an orchestra in like 5 years time? Are there any easier to pick up ones?

>>70757566
triangle

>>70756728
Poetic.

>>70757566
Flute. Don't choke on too many dicks.

>>70757597
you'll need inhuman lung power to decently play anything wind

>tfw thanks to almost 2 years of shitposting on a chinese anime internet website petzold has unironic followers now

>>70757586
What do you mean? Poetry implies having these feelings, not pretending to have them.

>>70757630
i don't think he does

>>70757634
How do you know? Maybe poets never actually felt anything and are just good at putting words together

>>70757670
Perhaps because I can feel it too? Do you even know what is the point of poetry?

>>70757681
You're missing my point. That doesn't necessarily imply anything about the poet, at least any more than it would about a composer.

>>70757681
I understand >>70756728 is just talking about the way the music feels, but I don't see why someone couldn't say the same about Romantic poetry.

>>70757713
Yes, but the romantic composers claimed to be poets of some kind, and that's the reason I dislike the comparison, since I think baroque and classicist composers were poetic, moreover I believe they understood poetry in music much deeper than the romantics, yet no one compares them to poets.

>>70757799
People talk about Mozart's lyricism all the time. Is that not poetic enough?

>>70757737
>why someone couldn't say the same about Romantic poetry.
This is partially true for romantic poetry also, I didn't say that the whole romanticism was somehow 'sociopathic' in itself, but it definitely had certain strong common tendencies.

>>70757822
It's just that real emotion isn't as bombastic as romanticism seems to suggest to you? I can buy that.

>>70757812
Yet he didn't have the romantic approach to music. We can find poetry in everything artists do, and yet only romantic composers specifically claimed to be 'tone poets' who consciously evoked poetry by means of a musical medium.

>>70757906
The idea there is that the music is programmatic and based on a specific, usually literary, source, so the word "tone poem" makes sense. As I understand it, they're not literally claiming to be poets, or that their music is more "poetic" in some sense.

>>70757841
That was Nietzsche's critique of romanticism, as he believed that Chopin's miniature works were the most honest reflexions of the romantic outlook.

>>70757906
I think a good point to make is that Romantic composers were probably more interested in poetry itself, or at least in using it in their music, than earlier composers. If you look at libretti from the classical era and earlier, they generally range from mediocre to terrible, whereas plenty of romantic operas, songs and other vocal music make use of some of the best poetry and poets available. That might be part of why this reputation exists. Unless you have good counterexamples?

>>70758038
>Unless you have good counterexamples?
Wagnerian Leitmotifs are quasi-literary devices. Nothing like this existed before, that's what I'm talking about. Couperin could write a piece about grape picker girls, but to him an idea of somehow representing them with a certain set of sounds would appear ridiculous, farcical.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bylj_hZPv-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF_WA9eOjTk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTsQk7IKyTk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6vnxUtjKRA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ733tjucq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTSfohE0ZAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQpN_IvawWg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdeaEqiEhzw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qGI2911_hY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVmQtZKVCl4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8VVtbXpOGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEE58RRFZkM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChygZLpJDNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4N5-OALObk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBlQZyTF_LY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBLignJKch8

>>70758421
they should have better picked a Mozart piece for their anthem, that would be more tasteful

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>>70758421

>>70757597
thanks I'll try not to

>>70757620
buddy my lungs have the power of a thousand hurricanes

>>70748523
I liked this, thanks.

Petzold

>>70757841
>>70757958

This isn't about Romantic music, it's about G*rman music. The clanging, the squalor, the shrieking, the jigging, this is what G*rman music has always been. M*hler being much closer to B*ch than to any of his Human contemporaries, and Chopin being much closer to Scarlatti than to any of his G*rman contemporaries. Someone bogged down in labels, History, and ossified Academic ideas might be disturbed to realize the former two share almost identical musical moments, as do the latter two. So much so that you would think B*ch was M*hler contemporary and Chopin was Scarlatti's.

I'm considering bringing bogposting back.

>>70759967
You should consider killing yourself.

>>70759967
After the thorough embarrassment you made of yourself yesterday (where you were too stupid to use google), you should consider grabbing a trip too and completing the cancerous circle.

>>70759967
Sorry to say but your memes were never funny and were forced as fuck
Which is why they died immediately after you stopped spamming them
Honestly it's kinda disappointing to see you return months later only to spout the same exact stuff you were spamming before, images and all. I would think that you would come up with something new but I suppose that's neither here nor there

What does a conductor do specifically? And are there good and bad ones?

Aren't tempo changes, intros and exits, all that stuff already written for musicians?

>>70760118
Read a score by Mozart, the markings in regards to tempi and dynamics and whatnot are vague and open to interpretation and scholarly autism

>>70759967
You're referring to type A personalities, of which Germany is full, to the point its national character is defined by it, a textbook description. Whenever type As abandon their typical self-restraint, their emotional expression, more or less inevitable in art, comes across as intense or violent to others.

Some people like it, some hate it. I'm a type A, but I much prefer the subtle art of type Bs, like Chopin and Scarlatti.

>Wagner deceives us, but Brahms deceives himself
If Wagner is more like a French degenerate than a robust German, then does that make Brahms too stodgy to be Austrian (i.e. German)?

>>70760340
then why most great german baroque men were type b's

>>70760608
Brahms is more Italian

>>70760675
>Brahms is more Italian
Are you baiting me? I just listened to one of his piano quartets (opening Allegro, I think) and the harmonic flow was completely fucked up, extreme contrasting sections like Beethoven. Also his melody writing is pretty stiff, but good for a German.

Mozart is the only Germanic who has any claim to writing like an Italian.

>>70760661
I'd have to study the period to understand why they were favored then, or whether some cultural norm promoted restraint, making the music of type As sound gentler, for instance, though Bach's strong personality did shine through his music.

What I know is that classical values made types As like Haydn and Mozart exercise moderation consciously. Starting with Romanticism, all hell broke lose, making personality easier to detect in the music.

Type As tend to favor complexity and intensity, type Bs tend to favor subtlety and grace.

You can see this in other arts as well, James Joyce and Picasso were type As.

>>70760719
>Mozart is the only Germanic who has any claim to writing like an Italian.
Haydn, Gluck, Offenbach, the list can go on..

>>70760835
>Haydn
An Italian wouldn't go in for this senile sense of humour in so many works.

>Gluck
..was a mistake, listen to Piccini.

>Offenbach
Again, the humour is so fucking autistic, and can only be attributed to someone with a vitamin D deficiency.

How come it's so obvious that Tallis is the the original bogposter but no one calls him out.

What are the best recordings of Mahler's Symphonies?

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Can someone please explain why the fuck pic related is played like this https://youtu.be/fu1WLAlHuWE?t=34s

Specifically, why the red arrowed notes are played at the same time.

>>70761160
How can there be a "best recording" of subhuman music?

>>70760719
Yeah because Italians never utilizied extreme contrasts lol

>>70761160
1 - Kubelik
2 - Klemperer
3 - Horenstein
4 - Gielen
5 - Abbado
6 - Tennstedt
7 - Tilson Thomas
8 - Solti
Das Lied - Klemperer
9 - Abbado

>>70760898
I'm fairly certain even Tallis isn't so stupid to be surprised that they can use an archive to find old posts.

Also, Tallis actually adores Beethoven.

>>70761241
Only in dramatic fiery passion, not a muddled, brooding, swampiness.

It's like you would consider Schoenberg and Verdi vocal writing to be similar.

>>70761302
>Only in buzzwords, buzzwords, buzzwords, not in buzzwords buzzwords, buzzwords
Also nice goalpost shifting lmao

>>70761160
10 - Rattle

>>70761179
Your image confused me. The red arrow on the left should point to the first of those 3 tiny notes. The reason why it's played that way is appoggiatura (leaning), just like the single grace note at the start of the measure.

>>70761286
>5 - Abbado
Should specify this is with the Berliner Philharmoniker

>7 - Tilson Thomas
This is with the San Francisco Symphony

>9 - Abbado
Also with Berliner Philharmoniker

>>70761473
Thanks senpai.

>The red arrow on the left should point to the first of those 3 tiny notes
Yeah my bad that's what I meant to draw.

Is there anything good (in a wholesome way) about Wagner except his preludes?

The infinite melody is musical gangrene, and I'm not surprised most of the Wagner enthusiasts that I've met have been obese or otherwise mentally ill.

>>70761786
awful opinion my friend

>>70761804
If anything it was understated. Another problem with Wagner is the lack of dance, the listener is suspended in mid-air for the entire performance, except for a few lively moments.

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>>70760090
>Honestly it's kinda disappointing to see you return months later only to spout the same exact stuff you were spamming before, images and all
>still not realizing this is tailor-made for the subject of my mockery
>still not realizing i'm mirroring the pathological sterility and repetition of german music
>still not realizing there is more than one bogposter

>>70760018

Veritable jubilation of the soul compared to writing a fugue.

>pic related
>the bogbillies arise

https://youtu.be/ecM7_3rs5gU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKz5kVTSJJw

What the best interpretation of Scriabin's 9th?

>horowitz

no

>>70762727
Ogden maybe, Sofronitsky is always worth checking out.

>>70762727
Hamelin

Any Sibelius recs? I love his 2nd symphony… Similar things would of course be appreciated too!

>>70762925
Listen to all of his other symphonies and Finlandia

Though the composer had messianic pretensions that often marred his clear creative gifts, he also had flights of clarity that were not revolutionary but displayed a talent for piano composition. That having been said, listeners are encouraged to investigate the music of Scriabin without paying much heed to the bizarre caste of media-pundits and faux-scholars who have written about this troubled composer with a fanciful gullibility that has often been outright disgraceful. This discreet, modernist truth reveals that the composer, like Mahler and Schoenberg, was attempting to be as honest as possible. Scriabin was not the genius these men were, but works such as Poème-Nocturne demonstrate sensitivity, talent, and insight.
––John ‘the Kill-Joy’ Keillor

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>>70762727
>tfw gould was too busy rerecording the bogberg variations and died before he got to record scriabin's 9th

>>70763038
Well, the Goldberg Variations is the greatest keyboard composition of all time.

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Is he, dare I say it, /ourguy/?

>>70763108
This is the dumbest meme.

>>70762966
Thanks

>>70763134
>he doesn't have /aguy/

>>70763179
Well, I'm one of the straight people ITT: http://www.strawpoll.me/12249385/r

>>70761286
>9 - Abbado
>not Maderna or Kondrashin

>>70726394
No self-respecting cuck would let the scoundrel and his harlot live, so huzzah, huzzah for Don Carlo.

Erlebach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrHyq3Zu77M

>>70763428
Honestly, only the cheater's to blame, so only they should be killed, IMO.

>>70763473
>only the cheater's to blame,
t. cuck

Convince me atonal music is not a scam similar to abstract art.

For your information, I know quite a bit about art and have good taste, so I am not a 'plebeian'. I read in four languages, and write metrical verse.

My main problem with atonal music is that it seems to put the theory in front of the experience. This, to me, simbolizes the death of the aesthetic feeling. Art is about sentimental education, and not about structures and numbers - those are only the means, not the goal. It's similar to what Tom Wolfe describes as having happened to painting and sculpture in his book 'The Painted Word'.

>>70763512
Cheaters are bad. Cucks are just unfortunate, and should be pitied.

>>70763515
It is a scam.
>too stupid and unimaginative to create something that follows the established rules of harmony
>"r-rules are meant to be b-broken guise xddxD"

>>70763553
Many different types of atonal music have their own established rules, though.

>>70763515

But...structures and numbers, formalism, is the whole point of all classical music preceding atonality. The average B*ch fugue being just as amusical as the average Schoenberg meme.

>>70763553
That only applies to everyone who came after Schoenberg, including Webern but excluding Berg.

>>70763644
>Berg is good

When will this meme end?

>>70763622
Bach was completely different from Schoenberg. Bach, in that many of his works - probably even most of them - he gave the greatest importance to the aesthetical experience that they were supposed to elicit. Structure was not the most important thing for him, although he still gave it great importance.

This is not even worth arguing about. Just compare the emotional depth, range and imediacy of the St. Matthew Passion with the average atonal masterpiece and you will see a clear difference, unless of course you have already been indoctrinated into looking at music with the eyes of a mathematicians instead of the eyes of a normal person.

>>70762332
Your retorts are always the same too, just a string of greentext spamming. You can say its to mirror what you're mocking but it's clear you're just pretty small minded and not good enough for the meme game
And btw it's pretty obvious it's only you because when you fucked off for all those months basically no one posted about it and you were quickly forgotten
Whereas memes from Tallis and CLT are still regularly posted. Step up son :)

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My parents forced me to take piano lessons since I was 6 and then it started to grow on me and I started to enjoy playing music, I'm really thankful they forced me, I would probably be really regretting not doing it now that I'm in my 20s. I wish they weren't classical lessons though, I can learn from sheet music but I made some musician friends and when I want to jam with them I have problems improvising, finding chords by ear and coordinating with them.


Right now I really want to learn this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YXrn2vxndY
It's the last song I was learning in my lessons but I didn't finish it. And now I'm usually playing more modern stuff with friends instead of playing classical.

>>70764819
faggot

>>70764819
Convert your friends to classical, anon.

>>70764819
Get better friends.

>>70764155
And Schoenberg couldn't create similar ranges of emotional depth? This is a very subjective thing of course, but Moses und Aron, even from its opening, is absolutely raw in its expresssion and it strikes me as very emotional. I don't really see the arithmetic-wankery in 20th century music until after the SVS.

Even if you aren't accepting of atonal music, pieces like Gurre-Lieder and Transfigured Night are more accessible and just as profound as some of Bach's music, especially the Gurre-Lieder which absolutely needs to be heard in person to appreciate the amazing orchestration.

>>70763515
Atonal music doesn't exist

It's all just music in A Minor

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>>70764831
I admire your dedication.

Where's the new thread?

>>70765167
Looks like it's a vintage meme edition

>>70764940