>It's another "I try to talk myself out of wanting

i just wish i could find something

dropped out of uni because suicidal, quit an admin job for same reason. every job is either admin work or retail goon. zero motivation, zero inspiration, running out of money. no-one really cares or wants to help. i'm definitely gonna end up homeless and/or dead

it's another i want to make music but i fucking suck at everything i attempt to do episode

>>70719556
>>70719871
Just start making shit. If Mac DeMarco can play indie pop and make teenage girls wet while also making a living, anything is possible. Practice in your spare time and play coffee shops on the weekends. Who knows what could happen?

Make music as a hobby. Get a job so you can at the very least afford your dream. There is a higher chance you won't be living like a sewer rat.

I play music and consider myself a musician because I have fun doing it
My friend plays drums and saxophone and I play guitar bass and synth.
Its fun as hell and I'm honestly glad I don't have to deal with touring and gigging because its a pain in the ass

>>70719556
What sucks for me is that I want to be a singer/guitarist, as in playing simple acoustic stuff. I'm alright at playing guitar, and I can sing alright too, but I have a pretty bad vocal range that barely goes over two octaves (not counting falsetto). Also my vocal range is much more bass/baritone, while a lot of the stuff that I want to sing sounds better in tenor.

>>70719871
me too, being a NEET sucks but it's hard to break out if you're depressed af and have zero motivation, also quit uni and had a few shitty jobs.
homeless/suicide is a realistic future for someone with my mindset, if you don't know what you want and think you suck at everything noone can help you

>>70720032
Why not practice?

>>70720255
I don't understand how I could lack any motivation at all. I have had about 6 years worth of time where I could have learned anything so when the time comes I can try to make a living with it. Instead I wasted it all and now probably at the end of this year I'm truly fucked.

>>70720260
i try
i don't really know what i should practice
been playing guitar for 2 years but i still kinda suck and i can't write anything

You guys are pathetic and this is coming from a depressed neet with GAD.
Just put yourself out there. If you truly have music in you that you believe should be heard by others, you'd be going to little venues and asking the owners to book you for a night, the worst thing they can say is no.
I don't believe that any of you itt complaining about this shit have any artistic drive because you're willing to create endless excuses that stop you from creating.
Nobody says you have to create something innovative or something that will top charts.
Do something productive or stop lying to yourself about wanting to be musicians because its obvious that some of you are just romanticizing the image and aren't willing to do the work

>>70720339
Well what's your goal?
To become the world famous guitar player singer songwriter?
If not then you have to think about WHY you are learning guitar.
Maybe you want to record the occasional melody and through it into a DAW to work with and make a song around that.
It's okay to just play it as a hobby but if you want to try to make a living with it then you need to expand your horizons.

>>70720044
>mentioning Mac Demarco when discussing musical dreams
wew. You realize that dude basically won the lottery in terms of right place right time. The dude is good and funny to watch but he really is too much of an exception to bring up.

>>70720284
stop making excuses
your life isn't over and you need to stop acting like it is. Are you going to so something about it or are you just going to play the victim, suck the dick of the universe and let yourself fail? Becuase if you're going to do that then you should genuinely just stop trying now to save yourself the effort

>>70720505
Partially. He has an insane work ethic and touring schedule so I think it's a little more than that. My point was mainly that he isn't breaking new ground but is still extremely successful.

>>70720386
my goal is to make music as a hobby pretty much
if i get to the point where i'm decent at writing and playing stuff i can consider branching out but i mostly just want to make songs

you don't have to "graduate" into becoming a musician when you turn 18
many become artists into their 20s and even 30s, even with little previous experience

>>70720379
>>70720512
I want to add that I'm not trying to flame here, those of you complaining and making excuses are just making it worse for yourself because your mind will perpetuate this idea that "I'll never be good" or "I just can't do it". And that's pretty sad because you absolutely can do it, you're just not willing to deal with the consequences even if the benefits outweigh them, you're scared of experiencing reality and that is stopping you from achieving your goals.

i realized the only way to successfully achieve what is heard in my head, i had to do everything myself.

>>70720734
this is correct but saying it isn't actually that helpful

people suffering from depression and anxiety are generally fully aware of everything they're doing wrong in life, and everything they should be doing to fix it. but most of life passes you by in an obsessive trance of doing nothing productive, then suddenly 15 hours have gone and the day is over. you go over every detail in your head and panic that you're going to die having achieved nothing as you drift off to sleep. you promise yourself tomorrow will be better, you'll do a bit of practice, you'll try and record something, you'll try and search for a job, you'll try and leave the house. then tomorrow comes and nothing changes.

telling depressed people they need to change doesn't help because it's those moments of self-aware suicidal panic that are why we're even depressed in the first place. otherwise we'd just be in a constant state of bored contentment

>>70720753
it's key to remember that any ideas you have are effectively worthless until they're out of your head and can be shown to others

>>70720662
>even with little previous experience
Example?

>>70720940

Robbie Basho started playing guitar at 19, maybe not an example of economic success, but one of artistic success.

i just want to be able to jam psychodelic stoner metal like my favorite bands.
but i can't for the life of me whack anything even semi decent out of a pentatonic scale.
and every time im trying to practice it i just play the same uninspired shit.
the only thing that makes me happy is that i will probably reach it eventually because even when i feel like total shit i always pick the guitar the day after,i just love playing.

>>70721168
>Robbie Basho started playing guitar at 19
By the time he was releasing noteworthy music, he had gained the experience.

>>70721236
he is still an example

If you want to do then do it I don't see the biggie.
Thinking about such a big choice for so long is what makes you waste your time, you might as well throw yourself into it

>>70721285
He's not. He had 6 years of experience in between leaning an instrument and releasing music. not to mention he already had musical experience before that. He did not magically pick up an instrument and was noteworthy.

Try a different example.

>>70720915
I want to make a new genre called thought music

it's entirely conceptual and i could probably sell it big time to the artistic community

>>70721393

Make a smorgasbord of 10 different drug concoctions and name them as though songs, based on each mixture's effects

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>tfw worked enough cash from shitty jobs to buy a midi keyboard, DAW, and mic setup.
>have at least an album's worth of material
>I can realistically have a self produced album out by this summer

Its so close I can almost taste it.

>>70721486
How many shows have you played?

>>70721486
Have fun with promotion, and getting 1 or 2 plays a month.

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>>70721486
>i have all this
>still dont make music cause it just feels like an escape from my true passion, drawing & comics

wish i could balance both

>>70721497
>>70721503
I live in a big city (Seattle). I know the venues around here and I'm designing some posters to put up around town. I have experience singing/performing in front of crowds though, so that's not a problem.

>>70721545
So, that's 0 shows you're performed then?

>>70721545
>>70721486

Good luck man

>>70721564
I guess. Gotta start somewhere, m8.

>>70721578
So you've never road-tested the material? And you think you might be releasing quality music?

>>70721508
Do you do animations?

>>70721604
nah just writing/layout/drawing comics

animation was something i never had a drive for, I prefer sequential art

I've cross-medium inspired by music/band imagery, but when i actually try to do music, im not as motivated

>>70721602

Leave the lad alone, he can go far if he actually does it and learn

>>70721651
I guess if he wants to be embarrassed

>>70721631
Ah I see, I really enjoy making art for the random songs I upload to SC or other places. I recently was designing some cover art for an ep I'm working on, I don't have any experience with design I'm talking only using paint.net but it's really relaxing designing art for music. When making songs I have a world in mind and through shitty paint skills I can kind of represent the world visually.

>>70721671

All part of the journey

>>70721770
It doesn't haven't be. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

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>tfw everything i want for making music is going to be like 15k

>>70721810
Guitars can be as cheap as $80 though.

>>70721831
Yeah, but i also pedals, amps, DAWs, audio interfaces, ect.

>>70721671
Or, you know, maybe there's nothing wrong with it and you just want there to be.

>>70721901
Not required to make music.

If you think you need it, then it's probably not real music you were making in the first place
>>70721911
>there's nothing wrong with amateurish garbage

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>>70721923
>Implying it's not better than your trash

>>70721810
I've been making music for about 3 years now with a fucking pirated copy of FL. Let me just say the "I need to buy more gear/vsts" mindset is poison. If you can't make the most out of the VERY bare minimum then you'll never be able to make use of expensive gear.

>>70721923
I just need all this shit to match the sound i'm looking for. You can't make ambient lo-fi soft rock.
>>70721975
I'm not looking to become the next King Krule anon.

>>70721508
See, this is my problem. My goal is to do something similar, but I've been practically bred to do music my whole life. I feel like I can't change my course now that I've made up my mind, and if I start doing music as a hobby, I'll begin to want to do it as a career. Either that or let it distract me from focusing on my career goals.

>>70721975
I could never understand having more than 3 or 4 pedals. At some point, ya gotta realize it's overkill.

>>70722004
Let me ask, have you even started making music?
It's fine to want to upgrade after a long time at the bottom if you know what you are doing, but going from: "I've never made music before to "Okay I want to make music, time to buy a shitload of stuff" is just wrong.

>>70722004
>I just need all this shit to match the sound i'm looking for.
How do you know if you've never tried without?

>>70722058
Do you think there's only 3 or 4 sounds possible from all pedals?

>>70722060
I have and i wasn't satisfied with the results.
>>70722059
I have made music, and i just want to move into a different direction and become less restricted.

>>70719556

all you have to do to become a musician is fucking play music you moron

and if you're playing for fame/success you're a fucking idiot, that's the wrong way to go about it. Do something because you enjoy it, if you become successful eventually that's a bonus and nothing more.

>>70722080
No, but if you try to incorporate more than that, it sounds like garbage.

>>70722110
Mind linking me examples of the sound you are going for?

>>70722115
It's not that simple.

>>70720915
thats what im saying
i have not found anybody who has either the drive, shares the ideals, or has the ability to enact on said ideals

>>70722110
>I have
How'd you do it? How long did you invest into it?
>>70722125
Sounds like you don't know anything about signal processing

>>70722146

yes it is. if you're doing art to become successful you're doing it wrong

>>70722169
Strawman.

>>70722180
i'm not playing that game

guess you'll never make music you fame-seeking faggot

>>70722169

It's an unwritten rule not to talk about aspirations as artists but it's in everyone's heads

>>70722125
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY0zPfLBGpc
>>70722135
I don't have a specific example, but i'm looking for something that sounds like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARX1QYvBD-A
>>70722163
I got a guitar, a usb mic, and audacity and started playing with riffs for a few minutes on and off, but it just didn't have that *click*. What i mean is that i never got that "aha!" moment. I was just always dissatisfied with the result.

>>70722169
Based on what?
You are only saying that because you have read countless times those exact words.
I've hear people repeat this many times. Based on what logic?
Art doesn't inherently mean some magical spiritual experience where happiness and fulfillment only comes from within. Sometimes someone would only have made something because they had the idea of fame in their head. How is that wrong.
Art is bigger than what any one person, including yourself, has to say about it.

>>70722244
>I got a guitar, a usb mic, and audacity and started playing with riffs for a few minutes on and off
So you really haven't tried, have you?

>>70722216
Projection.

>>70722264
Well, it wasn't full 100% investment. It was moreso attempting to record whenever i felt like it. Which usually lasted a few minutes.

>>70722244
I'm not sure you have looked into vst synthesizers my friend.
These days stuff like serum or massive can emulate these sounds with a little more work than what would be required if you just used hardware, the upside is that it's free.

>>70722297
Sounds like you are just an uninspired artist blaming a lack of tools

>>70722244
You're just proving my point. That music is garbage and there's no reason for him to have that many pedals.

>>70722320
What garbage about it?
>no reason for him to have that many pedals.
But they all make different sounds and have different effects

>>70722259

I know it to be true based on personal experience in the arts. I've been making obscure avant-garde films for 12 years and probably less than ~30,000 people have even seen them. if I cared about success I would've given up many years ago and missed out on many friends and positive experiences in the process. just fucking make your music and get lost in it.

>>70722268

[insert argumentative 4chan buzzword]

>>70722335
He could have done that with a reverb pedal and one tone pedal.

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>>70722362
>I know it's true because of my feelings

>>70722371
Incorrect because there is some subtle pitch and distortion effects in the signal chain as well.

As I said, maybe you just don't understand effects

>>70722319
ehh kinda.
>>70722313
Nah. I want to use a guitar. It's more universal, so i can use it for other things. Besides, i'm a musician, not an engineer. Electronic music is beyond my grasp.

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>>70721810
>tfw when making extremely shitty "music" with audacity,cam mic and 2 guitars

>>70722404

>generalizations are bad! everyone is vastly different and your personal feelings can't apply to anyone ever except yourself!

you're not special. If you're depressed or have a "void" it's probably not because you aren't famous, that's just a mask for your real problems. Fix your actual life (socially, sexually, economically, etc) and I bet you'll find that you no longer care about "success" in the arts, and can finally enjoy the actual process of making music.

>>70722454
>Besides, i'm a musician
You have to make music to be a musician

>>70722437
>Subtle
If I don't notice it, neither will the average listener.

>>70722511
>average listener.
There's your problem

>>70722498
>Everyone is the same as me!
What's your Reddit username?

>>70722506
So just because a musician isn't currently making music means they're not a musician? does that mean that the Beatles aren't musicans?

>>70722553
>does that mean that the Beatles aren't musicans?
Oh did none of them make any solo albums?

>>70722533

there are always exceptions, that's why it's called a 'generalization'. what I'm saying is GENERALLY accurate.

get fucked you crybaby "musician".

>>70722454
>Besides, i'm a musician, not an engineer
I don't make electronic music but I do incorporate those synths in my music. Like anything yes you have to learn it until it becomes useful for your craft. Anyway I'll I'm doing is trying to save you money, go down whatever path you choose anon.

>>70722586
You can't argue with pretend artists, anon. Stop trying.

>>70722584
No but you're saying i'm not a musician, despite the fact i have made music in the past.

>>70722586
Ad hominem.

Your b8 is getting old, friend.

>>70722630

>ad hominem

I said I'm not playing that game

I can argue against you and insult you at the same time you fucking pedant

what'd I expect from a bunch of "artists" on a music board, on 4chan of all places

>>70722621
Samefag.

>>70722624
Is plugging in your Squire into Audacity and making a riff for 2 minutes really qualify you as a musician?

How many gigs have you played?

>>70722617
I've really got nothing left to lose. I don't spend my money on anything, so it's not a total loss if i stop.
>>70722657
I don't own a squire.
>making a riff for 2 minutes really qualify you as a musician?
isn't that like 90% of musicians?
>How many gigs have you played?
none, but i don't see how that makes me a musician.

>>70722650
You still haven't given me your Reddit username yet.

>>70719556
The only way i can discourage you from being a musician is that you either need to produce utter garbage to make millions, or make decent music and make just about enough to stay alive

>>70722696
>I don't own a squire.
What do you play?
>isn't that like 90% of musicians?
Do you leave the house and see local music?
>none, but i don't see how that makes me a musician.
You don't see how performing musical formally makes you an actual musician?

>>70722652

using 4chan buzzwords is not going to make your music good or make you successful. I'm assuming you're under 30. as you get older, you'll learn the lessons I did, that art is secondary to direct human connection. It's a meta-truth but I'd say it's generally applicable, especially on a site like 4chan where having no friends or girlfriend is something to be applauded. If you get your life sorted out you'll no longer care about success in the music industry. Maybe you're the 1% who will but that's not who I'm talking to.

>>70722702

not an argument

Alright anons post your songs you are working on and we'll see if anyone in this thread can make music.

>>70722765
Well my label has advised me against this.

What has your label said?

>>70722780
I don't get the meme.

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>>70722765
>Implying we haven't all given up a long time ago

>>70722752
>What do you play?
a hand-me-down fender starcaster acoustic.
>Do you leave the house and see local music?
Yeah.
>You don't see how performing musical formally makes you an actual musician?
since when has "performing musical formally" been a thing that makes someone a musician?

>>70720051
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>>70722765
>free chance for shilling

https://soundcloud.com/user-255723904/witch-complete

>>70722496 here you can bully as much as you want i just want people to hear

>>70720051
or live off your parents in their basement and make music there

don't ever get a "real" job, it'll suck the life out of you and kill your motivation.

>>70722859
So much this. There's a reason so many successful artists get a head start when they're still in high school.

>>70722823
>since when has "performing musical formally" been a thing that makes someone a musician?
OK, well how many composition have you published?

>>70722878
>OK, well how many composition have you published?
You mean how many songs have i put on the internet? I've put three on the internet so far.

tfw deleting all of my music even though people liked it and even bought my albums

then they dont even ask whats wrong when i even deleted all of my sites even though they know me irl

ive been so fucking streSSED

>>70722917
>You mean how many songs have i put on the internet?
No I mean copyrighted and published
>I've put three on the internet so far
That's not really that much, is it?

>>70722933
>No I mean copyrighted and published
Do you know how much money it costs to do that? Wasn't your whole argument about how i shouldn't spend so much money?

>>70722978
>Do you know how much money it costs to do that?
About $30 for a collection of songs, at least in the country where I live.

You either take your music seriously or not. Do you?

>>70722997
I do, but i'm not that invested that i'm going to waste my money on making sure 3 shitty songs are going to be artistically protected.

>All these people taking the journey out of making music
Look, if you make music everyday, it's because you want to. If you try to force creativity everyday, you're gonna end up with shit. Believe it or not, there are people out there who only write music every once in a while and still come up with good stuff.

>>70723034
OK so let's get this straight:
You've never performed a gig, you've only made three "songs", you just have some shitty random guitar that was given to you, you don't care enough to publish your material, and you just complain it's all the fault of not having thousands of dollars worth of equipment?

And you think you are an actual musician?

>>70723101
Not him, but I think he is.

>>70723101
I never said "oh i don't play at gigs because of my shitty equipment". I'm just not invested in my previous work because it's not worth 30$.

>>70723140
mu·si·cian
myo͞oˈziSHən/
noun
noun: musician; plural noun: musicians
a person who plays a musical instrument, especially as a profession, or is musically talented.
"your father was a fine musician"

As in
>wow that 15 year old with a handmedown guitar who made three riffs in Audacity and put them online and has never performed, he sure is skilled!

>>70723199
Do you go to middle school band performances, get in their face and say, "Who the fuck are you?"

>>70723228
No but that sounds incredibly fun

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>No but that sounds incredibly fun

>>70723286
not even him but it does sound really fun
I think I will go do that now that you think its deplorable

OP here. This was supposed to be a feels thread, not an insult fest. If that's what you want, /pol/ will gladly take you.

>>70723434
>feels thread
>>>/kys/
They will always take you

>>70720051
>tfw you will never be alive in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, where it was possible to have a menial job and still support yourself financially and have the energy to play shows

i'm talking television working in bookstores, pixies doing factory work. these fuckin guys could afford to do that and live in NYC and boston. i'd be lucky if i could live in a city as a fuckin lawyer