Pitchfork has apparently retroactively changed the tagging on

>In a recent article, they described grime as being "the style of British trap rap with future garage influence that has bubbled up out of the post-Yeezus/Death Grips musical landscape".

Why are you lying?

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>anything with MC'ing is hip hop

pardners everyone

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>>70715276
shit, cat

>soundsystem culture

cringe

>Grime isn't hip-hop
Brits are delusional

>>70715335
Its Jungle. garage and Jamaican music
>>70715313

>grime is literally hip-hop with a British accent and a few more bloops
>lol it isn't hip-hop, it doesn't have anything to do with hip-hop

>>70715342

Grime isn't "talking or chanting" over jungle beats. It's clearly rapping over hip-hop instrumentals.

>>70715348
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>>70715342
>>70715313

>>70715342
No it's not. It's clearly hip-hop. It sounds like hip-hop. Jungle isn't even a real genre, garage is rock, and jamaican music is a vague category and has nothing to do with this because grome is from england.

>>70715335
>>70715348
Hip-hop has/had a huge influence on grime, but grime is not hip-hop. The culture is different. The reasons are different. The roots are different.
>>70715313

>britbongs getting triggered over genre tags

>>70715364
>>70715369
Rapping is MC'ing, copied from Jamaicans via immigration

>>70715369
>garage is rock
what the heck

https://youtu.be/zDRzDK8ZWYo

This isn't hip-hop.

https://youtu.be/mL2Bgj-za5k

>>70715389
>>70715394
This is LITERALLY hip-hop though. They're rapping bars over a beat.

>>70715378

They're seriously delusional enough to believe that grime developed completely separately from hip-hop.

I don't remember any grime albums from the 80s or 90s. The best grime album everyone can agree on was released in 2003. Pretty late for a genre that claims to have its roots from jamaican deejaying.

>>70715376
well actually I'm sorry the roots are the same: both hip-hop and grime are there because of jamaincan music and jamaican culture. They just developed in two different ways. MCing was there before grime and hip-hop.

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Hip hop is literally American reggae.

>>70715418
this

>>70715407
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I don't remember any grime albums from the 80s or 90s. The best grime album everyone can agree on was released in 2003. Pretty late for a genre that claims to have its roots from jamaican deejaying

Through MCing on pirate radio and in live sets of dancehall, which combined with rave/acid house to form breakbeat hardcore, into jungle, into dnb, into garage, into grime and dubstep.


Also, citing albums is fucking ridiculous since grime primarily revolves around dubplates/7" singles and pirate radio/rave sets

>>70715458
Half that shit sounds made up and makes no sense.

God you brits are retarded.

>>70715481
get a history lesson faggot

>>70715556
I know more about music than you ever will

>>70715556
Patriotic pardners live in denial with their flag in the front yard, the anthem at school and a burger in one hand and a gun in the other.

>>70715570
Objectively false.

Source: this thread.

but this doesn't sound like hip hop wtf?
https://youtu.be/5pxk-EfNQxY

>>70715582
I'm not British

>>70715616
What are you?

>>70715630
Russian

>>70715643
Well that explains a lot

>>70715643
>>70715630
btw this >>70715458 is not my post

>>70715655
>nationality explains everything
gtfo

>>70715658
Meant to quote you but fucked up.

https://youtu.be/7VDkKWaps70

Does this sound like hip-hop to you?

ban all britshits from /mu/ tbqh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGUH74sxj_E&list=PLaq1xkzrZA9eQgAtnq5uu0i2I9bUEVSys&index=4

Does this sound like hip-hop?

>>70715713
This and their made up genres too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QMiCBJ7yRM

This is not fucking hip-hop. This is a whole different culture.

>>70715713
Why?

For educating people away from a fake "America fuck yeah" history?

>>70715717
>>70715698
>>70715731
>literally spitting rhynes over a beat
>BAWWW NOT HIP-HOP
A bit special snowflakey aren't we?

>>70715726
"jungle, garage and dancehall are basically hip-hop xDDD"
kys

>>70715726
>uk garage
>not even garage rock, just some shitty rnb easy listening crap
>jungle
>sped up beats from oldschool hip-hop tracks
>uk hardcore
>not even punk, but some shitty 80s rave edm synth shit
>uk dubstep
>really slow, boring electronica somehow the opposite from what dubstep actually sounds like
>grime
>british rap
>footwork
>metro boomin beats but sped up

>>70715746
Funny how you've been proven wrong with citations and sources and facts yet you keep souring unbased BS like it's true despite being proven wrong over and over.

>>70715746
MCing =/= Hip-Hop

It is not exclusive to hip-hop, nor was it created by hip-hop

>>70715746
>implying hip-hop was the first genre where people got to spit rhymes over a beat

ayy

>>70715764
LMAOOO

https://youtu.be/CfHjQFnEAUs

Do you seriously think this is hip-hop?

truth is this was the main inspiration for british mcing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StlMdNcvCJo

>take american funk/hip-hop, speed it up and add some techno beats
>HEY EVERYONE CHECK OUT THIS NEW GENRE CALLED JUNGLE AREN'T WE GENIUS xD
>take american garage house, add ear-grating bass on top
>HEY EVERYONE CHECK OUT THIS NEW GENRE CALLED UK GARAGE AREN'T WE GENIUS xD
>take american hip-hop, replace the intricate beats with wubs and farts and the complex lyricism with kindergarten poetry
>HEY EVERYONE CHECK OUT THIS NEW GENRE CALLED GRIME AREN'T WE GENIUS xD
Britbong genres in a nutshell.

>>70715811
Jungle and garage had as much mcing as grime though. So by your logic aren't they hip-hop too?

>>70715811
>taking something and creating something new with it is not innovative
xD

>>70715821
In the US house with rapping was called hip-house.

What makes your britbong genres more special?

What's the argument here anyway? Both Hip-Hip and Reggae (both of which have influenced innumerable sub-genres of their own style and dance/electronic genres) all go back to Jazz and early R&B anyway.

>>70715811
>genres that draw influence from other places are not good

congratulations, literally all music ever apart from maybe some caveman smacking two rocks other and grunting is not good according to you

>>70715811
>implying British genres were influenced by American music and not Jamaican

>>70715851
>56 replies
>10 posters

it's a small group of americans and brits having a go at each other because both of their empries have died and they'll soon be crushed under the iron foot of the chinese

I would put Grime as an umbrella term under hip hop. Like another posted pointed out, the songs that were posted are very similar to most rap. A beat and someone rapping over it. The only difference is the style of instrumental that borrows from different inspirations, much like the rapping and content of it.

Same as how death grips us hip hop, but remains experimental at the same time whilst using conventional influence.

>>70715811

if you truly think about uk is the most irrelevant country for electronic music nothing ever original came out of it.

and dont fucking complain about "electronic music"

>>70715313
is there any genre of music that isn't black in origin?

generally, and specifically in electronic music?

>>70715865
MC'ing in that fashion goes back to reggae and dancehall. It's not unique to hip-hop and existed before hip-hop.

>>70715717
This sounds like dance hall Sean Paul hop hop, something a 16 year old white girl from Australia would use as her backing track to the middle class dance school she goes too twice a week.

>>70715851
The argument is grime and hip hop both came from Jamaican roasting separately and independently and grime is not a hip hop subgenre, they are 2 different genres which both use MC'ing

The problem is one anti-England troll and people keep taking the bait despite all the proof to the contrary.

>>70715872

electronic music was made by white bois first m8, africans probably didnt even had electricity back than

>>70715886
*toasting

>>70715865
A lot of the songs posted as examples in this thread fall under the genres of dancehall, garage, dubstep, jungle, and drum and bass.

Are those hip-hop too?

>>70715872
Electronic music was started by white people in the 20s, first recorded by white people in the 40s

>>70715894
Yes because they have rapping over it. It doesn't matter if the beat is slow, fast, chill, distorted. It's still hip-hop.

>>70715894
if they feature rapping then yeah they are

>>70715886
>The argument is grime and hip hop both came from Jamaican roasting separately and independently and grime is not a hip hop subgenre, they are 2 different genres which both use MC'ing

Yeah. Queens has/had a big Jamaican immigrant population. Herc was influenced by dub.

>>70715901
sure, but all this jungle dnb garage house etc etc stuff is literally all black in origin
i can't think of a single subgenre that isn't
maybe trance?

>>70715909
no because MC'ing didn't start with hip hop.

Is this hip-hop?
https://youtu.be/PkAYv0MuVTE

>>70715907
>>70715909
Rapping existed before hip-hop and is not unique to it. Wew. Real dumb people aren't you.

>>70715917
Yes and so is
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>>70715698
>>70715607
>>70715394
>>70715389


If it has rapping, it's hip-hop. You brits aren't special.

>>70715922
>Rapping existed before hip-hop

Beat poets actually had an influence on rapping, funny enough. Along with Ali, of course.

>>70715939
Can grime lyrics be called poetry, though? Their rhyming is worse than what you find in trap rap.

>>70715931
Rapping was there before hip-hop

americans think they invented rapping

literally cultural appropriation

>>70715948
it's just different, because it's not hip-hop. If you dig into the culture, you'd understand why are their lyrics like that.

>12 posters
oi there goes me noggin

>>70715879
That's a fair point.

>>70715894
Also fair, you aren't wrong. But id put country and blues under rock. Same with dance hall. Dnb is different.

>>70715894
If you put rapping behind a certain political rock back, it would become rap-rock, alternative hip hop etc

>>70715348
this
t. huge grime fan