Post severely underrated works by mediocre composers. >G

First for CLT won't be posting in this thread

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>>70544477
Rate my mom's belated Christmas present

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>>70544401
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A1XbaB3aCs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzhYpuj3zQQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STxlfr6IqJY
>>70544628
>Handel
Automatic 0/100

>>70544637
Why do plebs have trouble with Händel?

>>70544628
Never bothered with the keyboard suites so can't say.
>>70544655
>pork and beer
Haram af

>>70544628
Handel is always nice, i enjoyed that keyboard suite you posted in the last thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--elKKbmoPU

>>70544664
>>pork and beer
I was in the car the other day when I heard a siren. Like any good citizen I immediately tried to get out of the way so the emergency vehicle could pass, but it never did, and for the life of me I couldn't figure out where it was coming from. I kept driving for ten minutes while listening to this racket. Finally I realized that there was no firetruck at all: it was just Symphonie Fantastique playing on the radio.

https://youtu.be/xbW5EpqOVso

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Thoughts on Boulez as a composer and conductor?

OFFICIAL LIST OF THE BEST MEDIOCRE COMPOSER
Borodin
Ives
Mendelssohn
Nielsen (fug off CLT)
Hindemith (see above)

>>70544801
>composer
Nay
>conductor
Yay

>>70544801
>As composer
Niche, but good
>As conductor
God-tier conductor of modernists' works
Good-tier elsewhere

Liszt x Ravel x Debussy: Who did it better?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12177117

http://www.strawpoll.me/12177117

http://www.strawpoll.me/12177117

>>70544801
>Boulez as a composer
pretty good
>conductor
selectively good, sometimes great.

>>70544790
>Jacquet de la Guerre
Patrician as fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubmWoEA_6y8

>>70544819
>>composer
>Nay
Typical CLT shit taste
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6qoqlvtN4E

>>70544801
He only got better with age

>>70544814
I can shrug off the Nielsen and Hindemith jabs since I expect them to be underrated, but calling Mendelssohn mediocre is just ignorance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzuTbePAQfI

>>70544852
composition wise, yes.

conducting wise? i dunno. his life stuff is generally good all throughout, but his studio recordings suffered a lot later in life, in my opinion.

>>70544814
Schumann takes the prize

>>70544846
*tips fedora*

>>70544885
>life
live*

>>70544885
>but his studio recordings suffered a lot later in life, in my opinion.
i disagree.

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>>70544896
>*tips fedora*
Get with the times, grandpa.

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You have 60 seconds to post your favorite pieces for flute or i will come to your house and bash your head in with one

>>70544895
Schumann is arguably the finest composer of his generation.

>>70544939
>flutist
>bashing anything other than his own prostate
I'd have to say Bach's orchestral suite no 2 in b minor

>>70544939
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw53VrbI4l0

>>70544939
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDa_R18cRT0

>>70544939
Maybe something by Jethro Tull?

>>70544964
>>70544978
I don't know which one of these i find more insulting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6Ai9TfcGfI

Thoughts?

>>70545087
Janacek is GOAT

>>70545094
His mass is the best mass.

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Hey CLT you still pretend Debussy is bad?

>>70545144
>no truly great recordings of the original unsimplified version
reeeee

>>70545094
Yes

>>70545144
No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih9baxVF_mc

>>70545159
Yes

What is in your opinion the greatest work of the LATE 20th century?

>>70545309
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6RwAhUiApA

>>70545309
>>70545353
21st century, meh

>>70545309
Carter's Night Fantasies maybe.

Why did the thread just come to a halt all of the sudden?

Why are Czechs so fucking based?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KtYwRjrsaM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ofiLN9AR9w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsfNPjTPOjQ

>>70545457
Probably because YOU showed up...

>>70545309
John Coltrane – Africa/Brass

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>>70545159
I still prefer the DG recording

>>70545565
I thought that went to Faust?

>>70545621
Faust is way up there for sure

Just posting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gv2E1qxa9w so I can play it while I read the thread.

>>70545309
Repons

What is some essential Trump classical?

>>70545736
Ride of the Valkyries!!!!!!

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>>70545736
Some of this is outdated, particularly the bottom third.

>>70545736
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTE08SS8fNk

>>70545760
>CLTcore is now Trumpcore
Seems fitting

>>70545736
3 Doors Down performing a rock version of Ride of the Valkyries

>>70545736
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiJYGV8faZw

>>70545760
You should really make a new version for old times sake

>>70545760
If the anon who was offering to change this is still around:

The Nielsen will stay.
The Stravinsky will stay.
The Hindemith will stay.
The Janácek will stay.
Add Sibelius (6th symphony by Vanska probably)
Swap out the Ravel for the Piano Trio (I can't remember which recordings are on allmusic but I'm partial to the Abegg one)
And I guess the Reger will stay, since I can't think of a good solo instrument substitute.

So long, Zemlinsky.

I'll change the contemporary four later.

>>70545949
I'm still here

>going on allmusic
i can't even go on it for 2 seconds without getting fucked up the ass by anti-ad block stuff

>>70545998
That website sure has declined.

And actually I don't think I'll change the contemporary section (it wouldn't be appropriate to put Ennio Morricone, right?) so if you redo the Modern section I give you permission to name it Version 2.0. You may add personal flourishes if you wish, in reward for your work.

If anyone disputes the authenticity of Version 2.0, they may be directed to my zuckerbook account, where I will confirm my identity.

>>70545998
just disable your javascript on there entirely, that's what i do.

i really only go on there for my tagging now, since their tagging system is pretty good and appeals to my pointless autism of having every catalogue number in the title

>>70546086
>it wouldn't be appropriate to put Ennio Morricone, right?
Yeah it wouldn't be fair to put the Exorcist II soundtrack on there, it's too good.

>>70545998
The font is Georgia in case you didn't know

What's the Heart of Darkness of classical?

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>>70546135
I consider Morricone one of the great composers of our time.

Pic related was my dad's Christmas present

>>70546086
>>70546150
Thanks for letting me update it, Weebteam sends their regards by the way.

>>70546170
Rhapsody in Blue

>>70546188
It is I who should thank you.

>>70546188
>>70546203
wow get a room fuccbois

>>70545949
Is the Abegg recording on rutracker?

>>70546274
I'm pretty sure it used to be.

If it isn't, you may use your discretion. I love that trip no matter who plays it, just about.

>>70546302
*trio

>>70546302
There's only one recording on here, but it's not by Abegg sadly.

>>70546504
Too bad. It's your call, then. Same if it hasn't got the right Sibelius, and if there's another one with which you greatly disagree.

>>70546561
I found the Sibelius. Also there's a Sanit-Saens trio alongside the Ravel release which is kinda interesting.

What's the worst genre of classical and why is it Italian opera before Verdi?

>>70546742
Monteverdi is great. Maybe you mean between him and Verdi, which is fair.

>>70546761
oh yea i forgot Monteverdi existed
my b

>>70546734
I got nothing against Saint-Saëns. Just make sure the chart entry is credited to Ravel and the Trio.

>>70544628
isnt this the recording were you can hear breathing

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Man i dont think im digging this

>>70546835
You're maybe thinking of the Richter one?

>>70546900
no, never heard that. There was one with a black guy that i listened to though

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>>70546900
this is my main one i listen to

>>70547013
Never heard that one.

>>70546917
Probably not the same one I know.

>>70547413
you really like that picture

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All done, not sure if this was the EXACT Sibelius but i just want to go to sleep at this point.

I might do some personal changes to the contemporary section and make it a separate "special" version.

>>70547478
As far as I'm concerned, this is the up-to-date version.

>>70547563
Thanks again, and good night

>>70547563
No, thank you.

>>70544401
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_3ob4pu0iE

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>>70546504
>being sad of not having Germans in your recording of Ravel's piano trrio
Pick up pic related, it's in the second Mega link in OP

Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hSoVLQ3SBc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnLy31-Z7E4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w433wbM14Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdDU4qwaI80
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oESzlizAafE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7jem-LgKgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9MU1T6uDXA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s22fNJdICQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an77qFp0Y9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BSfYz4_Gbg

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>>70547478
>Still so incredibly shit

Just change the label. It is in no way an abridged guide to the western canon.

>>70548455
What would you include /exclude anon ?

>>70548633
I'm a different person, but I'd include about 100 composers and go with more conventional choices, though about half of them would be modern or contemporary.

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=_Ka289l3W0Q&video_start=0&audio=k-Tw1sqzkfk&audio_start=6

>yfw

>>70546742
All opera back when recitatives were a thing is incredibly annoying

>>70548455
It's totally an abridged guide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmm1kC_fAaU

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI_Dl71w0js

>>70544801
>as composer
Good avant-garde music, but he was way to radical for me to take him seriously. He would have hated you unless you were as postmodernist as him. One of the most unpleasant figures in our recent music history.

>as conductor
A true maestro

Rec soft, uplifting, light-hearted music.

>>70546742

Wrong opinion my man.

>>70546742
It's actually post-Wagnerian Germans like Reger and Hindemith

>tfw my opinion on which Britten opera is my favourite changes depending on which of Peter Grimes or Billy Budd I've seen most recently

>>70551933
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx_T1wLL4Z0

>>70545760
>guide to the western canon
>purposefully (hipsterfully) left out all the big composers
>hardly any baroque at all
kill thineself

>>70552374

>>70552463
No it's made a comeback in the past 30 years

>>70552549

What composers are you referring to? Who's a tonal composer who is on Beethoven's level?

>>70552463
pop, rock, jazz, etc all still tonal

also kill yourself, obvious /pol/tard

>>70552605
>pop
>rock
>good music

>jazz
>not as dead as classical music
Give me a break, who the fuck cares if Lady Gaga is still composing diatonally?

>>70551849
Young Boulez was extremely radical in terms of personality and composition, but he really mellowed out. His most unlistenable serialist crap is from the early days. His later compositions are much better imo

>>70552435
>left out all the big composers
Further proof that Mozart is underrated.

>>70552435
There are tons of big composers on that chart.
CLT's underrating of Monteverdi and J.S. Bach are egregious though.

>>70552908
I wasn't talknig about his music, I was actually talking about what he used to say back in the days.

>Any musician who has not experienced - I do not say understood, but truly experienced - the necessity of dodecaphonic music is USELESS. For his whole work is irrelevant to the needs of his epoch.

>>70544833
ravel?
AHAHHAAHAHAHHAAHHAHA

>>70553067
Yeah but like I said that stuff mellowed out significantly over the years I think
In all the interviews I see of him in the 90s-present he seems pretty chill

>>70553649
I've never heard any of his late interviews. Are you willing to link any remarkable one?

>>70553971
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG9G9W46EHU

I posted this one a few threads ago I think. It isn't super in-depth, though

Why is the third movement of the Appassionata Sonata so repetitive? It's literally the same piece of music repeated 4 times with a few cuts in between. The difference between the exposition and variation is minimal.
Why is it so? What was the aim of Beethoven?

>>70554062
When Claude Debussy studied at the Paris Conservatory from age ten to age twenty-two, many considered him a rebel because of his treatment of dissonance and his disdain for the established forms. He reputedly turned to a fellow student during a performance of Beethoven with the words, “Let’s go. He’s starting to develop.”

Ruth Ruggles Akers, in "Vive la France, March 19" at The Tallahassee Symphony Orchestra site (2010)

It was said that "Debussy liked Mozart, and he believed that Beethoven had terrifically profound things to say, but that he did not know how to say them, because he was imprisoned in a web of incessant restatement and of German aggressiveness."

Roger Nichols (2003). Debussy Remembered

>>70554151
Proof Debussy is a patrician who understand Mozart's superiority..

>>70554062
I wasn't talking about his general formalism. The 3rd Appassionata movement is extremely repetitive even for Beethoven standards.
I was curious about why is that so.

>>70546086
>It wouldn't be appropriate to put Ennio Morricone, right?
Now I'm just intrigued by what you would put there

bumping this thread

WITH NO SURVIVORS

pleb here, rec me some instrumental pieces similar to Tristan und Isolde
I want that feeling of unresolved tension without the vocals

>>70555270
Soler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY16l7AIXFY

What do you guys think of Brazilian composers?
Heitor Villa-Lobos, Carlos Gomes, Alberto Nepomuceno, Cláudio Santoro, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyvxA0U44ck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbMFtmdjPZk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxzP1XPCGJE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl9gARaZSow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC9kqs6zafo

>>70555860
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJaXP49YQ5s

>>70555860
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8ObFGRqFr4

BWV 50: Nun ist das Heil und die Kraft is Bach's greatest work, prove me wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG1tDB-U4jg

>>70556617
BWV 110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrmR3fBaUZA
BWV 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUDQWBkj9t4
BWV 78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkmTF2KX0B4
BWV 51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlsZXI-Pvrs

petzold

>>70545159
The Martinon recording is superior

>>70545368
This definitely and Electric Counterpoint

>>70544814
First two are great senpai, Mendelssohn is crap, the other two are Mediocre Germans

Why did they even try after Wagner and SVS?

P _ _ _ _ _ d

>>70558744
>Germans

>>70548306
dont stop posting this

>>70558744
>Ives
>great
>Borodin
>German

>>70544401
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DxgmUJAq-s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzSn9CXBvQc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH6CHaK7yNY

Ives

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UZq09F9RR4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqTD1195X9s

>>70559187
Anything I don't like After Brahms and Wagner are Germans

>>70559431
Ives is great m8, He makes me proud of America.

Ives, Gershwin, Carter, Reich, Seeger, Ruggles, and Cowell belong in the very underappreciated Artistic heritage of America

>>Borodin
>>German

Where did I imply that?

>>70560529
>Cowell
Never really bothered with him desu. Maybe I should start.
>Where did I imply that?
I misread, what I meant to say was
>Nielsen
>German

>>70560640
Oh sorry m8

It was just banter, the same way an Australian gets mad at being call a German

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This guy is clearly an autistic weirdo and after checking his website probably insufferable as a person (see: jewish)

But there's something really legitimate about his artistic endeavor, he's only 29 and he's the leader and conductor of the International Mahler Orchestra, already edited and recorded his own version of Mahler's unfinished symphony, releasing it on Wergo last year to good reviews

Honestly the performance is really good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe3spGupjro

He's kind of a clown at the podium, but probably not unlike Mahler

What does /classical/ think?

>>70560687
Literally me senpai

>>70560708
Is that you Yoel senpai?

>>70560687
i listened to that recording a few months ago

wasn't sure what to think of it, honestly

>>70560721
No I hate Mahler

Speaking of American music is Aaron Copland actually good or just a meme?

>>70560753
I like this version even more than Gielen's desu

>>70560805
His meme stuff is good.

>>70560846
too used to Cooke i guess

>>70560805
His chamber music is good, but His populist works reek of bombastic and forced nationalism

Virgil Thomson, although not quite as good, is much more genuine and sincere in his evocation of American frontier

>>70560864
So how would you compare them?

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>He will never record Mahler's third

>>70560924
too different to compare since they're fairly different. Cooke is a lot more scholary and was just trying to present a workable version, skeletal in areas though it may be.

Yoel's is definietly trying to fill in that skeleton. to his credit, it's interesting to hear and he emulates Mahler's hard-on for severe rubato fairly well.

like i said i'm not really sure what to think of it. he's so young, so i can't help but wonder how many more times he will revise it

>>70560994
If Mahler's 9 was about death, I find a strong afterlife feel to Yoel's 10, I think he channels Mahler pretty well and they kinda look alike too

>>70560994
>>70561058
i'll definietly give him credit for the adequate amounts of portamenti as well.

>>70544939
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FaE32klkhc

What does /classical thing about this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SBQvd6vY9s&t=86s

>>70561610
Petzold

>>70561519
>not HIP
>no authentic instruments except the harpsichord
>Marcon not with VBO
>only the second movement
Are you fucking kidding me? How fucking retarded do you have to be?

>>70562103
>he fell for the HIP meme

Is Pahud gay?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12183861

http://www.strawpoll.me/12183861

http://www.strawpoll.me/12183861

TIME FOR A NEW THREAD EVERYONE LOL

>>70563285

>>70563654
>new thread at 173 replies
you fucking retard

>>70563671
Not my fault OP was too retarded to put /classical/ in the subject field like literally eveyrone else has done up to this point

>>70563695
I didn't even notice until now somehow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGwvXCYgiuU

petzold

Ockay guys you know me buy now , i focus my money mainly in classic, sometime i would up in the red but money come and goes so i put something later when you can act out and buy the darn cd you whant pronto.

Than there is another reason emotionally frail or when im upset i need a new cd to cheer me up, to focus on something else the music, perhaps i dont have a gurlfriend and i replace the lack in my life whit music, let's face it , no mather how cruel it even if i make the utter best effort, women fear people whit mental illness or issue, like i said i am:
Effexor=Depressive take anti-depressor i feel better
abilify= mood swing it under control
rivotril= 3 mg before i sleep for anxiety and insomnia

I should remind you guys i take my pills religioudly each day...i do it for me and everyone else ,imore relax and nicer these days(huray for this), less edgy.

This is my prescription, than i might even take ritalin i talk to my doctor several time and now , from what i hear he is willing to prescribe me ritalin next or eventually from what i get from his telephone call.So i feel releif i always had attention deficit, now it's gonna be treated.

Now like i said when i feel the blues , i need a ''fix'' of classical music, it help me cope whit the pain of lonelyness if fill a gap in my life and it's a passion a devotion for and aspirant musicologist
to be now im only amateur since i dont know all the specfic term .

Have a good day guys tell me if your like , now imagine a day everything go wrong, and you do all day a succession of curse like F*** word(mind my language) in your head, do new music releif you get you out of the gutter, and impair your anger, turmoil, pain.

What about it folks? are yah like me a bit on this?

i salute you all bene bene

>>70564767
>there are actual living breathing schizos on 4chan

>>70564875
It's actually from some other website http://www.talkclassical.com/47249-you-compulsive-buyer-classical.html

>>70564767
Damn, this makes me sad, I'm actually a bit obsessive about finding recording like this guy is

>>70562193
>He thinks HIP is a meme
you got memed

This is still by far the best interpretation of these concertos I've ever heard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cYICGFgiTk

>>70544895
Schumann is above the league of those other composers.

>>70544939
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l17SQeytHN8

>>70545736
He said he likes Steve Reich.

>>70564767
I've bought classical CDs to make myself feel better. Not very often.

>>70565389
>this delusion
Typical HIPster

Post spa music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uKVI6_Fm4g

>>70566653
Do you have an argument against performing a piece on the kind of instruments that existed when it was written or just spout memes about things you dont understand?

Bach for example needs oboe d'amore and the older oboes and flutes are much more mellow than modern instruments. They blend much better.

Non vib as well is preferable for baroque period. Some slight vib at the end of notes is fine, but playing baroque music with the 20th century idea of what romantic period music should should like is 100% wrong.

>>70564767
Do mantra meditation and yoga!

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>>70567572
>''The spirit of [my latest work Sirius] is that it is music from Sirius, which is transposed on this planet and [reveals] the possibilities of this planet, because I think that the culture of this planet has been mainly formed by visitors from Sirius, especially in the time between 9000 and 6000 B.C., [as have] most of our modern concepts of cultural achievements, as far as these are still available, because, as you know, an enormous amount has been burned in the library of Alexandria, where all the secret knowledge of architecture, of mathematics, of astronomy and of the arts, and of the magnetism of the earth, of ecology, etc., has been destroyed voluntarily by the Christian orthodox administration. But I think that our main sources of present-day culture, as decadent as it may be in most parts of the planet, stem from visitors from Sirius whose main representatives (leaders) were Isis and Osiris. Through a series of revelations which were at first quite nebulous, but have become more clear during the past few years, I know (as little as I know about details) that I have come from Sirius, myself. And I know that the highest kind of language that can exist for this highly developed culture is music. As long as we're inclinated toward the bodies and possibilities of the body of this planet Earth, then everything from Sirius appears as music. It is structured in a direct harmony with the forming principles of the universe, of the rotations, of the seasons, of different aspects of youth, man, woman, the friend, of the elements earth, fire, water, air, of states of growth, etc. All of these characteristics stem basically, and have been made conscious, from this culture, and there are many other planets which have been influenced by these universal principles, which are communicated best through sound in music that is the best and most universal way.''

Were where you when you discovered that Stockhausen was actually crazy?

>>70567644
I would've fucked young Stockhausen though desu
No homo

>>70567644
top kek

>>70567644
But Ancient Aliens didn't start until a few years after he died

>>70567656
Don't stick your dick in crazy.

>>70567644
>tfw you remember that Cage and Stockhausen were just New Age quacks

Hopefully humanity will forget them in the next centuries.

>>70544919
is this real? the face looks shopped

>>70567752
It's just the angle.

>>70552587
>you need to be on Beethoven's level to be a composer

wew

>>70567834
Shouldn't that be the goal? Shouldn't we all try to excel at what we do, without accepting any half measure?
Also notice that when I was talking about ''Beethoven's level'' I wasn't coupling tonality with being a good composer. For example I think that Schoenberg, after all, was a great composer and his music deserves to be studied.

>>70567644
Not sure if he's actually from Sirius, but other than that he's correct

>>70567716
All the best composers were New Age quacks.

>>70567927
Actually, they were all Christians.

>>70567888
That's fair enough, but who else is on Beethoven's level in the first place? Anyone alive today? My favorite living tonal composer is probably Kalevi Aho.

>>70567888
Sorry for non-serious response; I took your post as non-serious too.

I think that especially with tonality being "killed off" in the 20th century the idea of comparing composers or of saying any one style is authoritative is outdated. Classical music has only really been surviving unchanged in the ivory tower and in film scores over the past 50 years, and the upturned noses at film scores is proof that people don't accept even that. You can't compare composers anymore because no one who actually gives a shit about their product is going to bother with writing in the same tradition as Beethoven to make themselves comparable to them; they're going to make the stuff they want to hear, which in an era with top 40 radio is definitely going to be influenced by genres that are not classical. When people say classical music is dead, this is what is really happening; nobody works inside a single genre or style anymore for any major work.

I agree that Schoenberg deserves to be recognized for his composition. The shift to atonality was almost entirely political, however, and not because it was the best way to make music. He made the shift as much because he was an antipopulist edgelord as because it was what he heard in his head, and because of people like Boulez all the good tonal music from that period was divorced from classical; there are plenty of Gershwins who swung even further toward classical but were put into jazz because the classical tradition narrowed.

I have no idea what I'm writing about anymore. Sorry

my narcissism will ultimately prevail, think all narcissists surrounded by narcissists

music for this feel?

>>70568062
>and the upturned noses at film scores is proof that people don't accept even that
Isn't that reasonable? You can compare film scores to classical music only for the choice of instrument and for the fact that it is still rooted in tonality, but that said, when experienced by themselves, most of those compositions are lacking (wich is a fault inherent to the medium, rather than general mediocrity).
>You can't compare composers anymore because no one who actually gives a shit about their product is going to bother with writing in the same tradition
I wasn't implying that. When I call both Beethoven and Schoenberg ''great composers'' it is because they actually excelled in what they were trying to do. Schoenberg music is not formulaic, but it is still the best magnification of that idea we've got.
You may not like the initial idea, but it was still treated masterfully by a great, knowledgeable composer. That's why, in my opinion, John Cage is a fraud while Berg is one of the greatest artists of this century. In one case you have concepts that exhaust themselves almost immediatly (to the point where you can usually actually summarize each one of his pieces in a couple of sentences).
When I asked to name tonal composers as good as Beethoven I was asking for composers who actually are as sophisticated as him while remaining in the tonal realm. I didn't really care about how formulaic their harmony is.
(1/2)

>>70568195
>and not because it was the best way to make music.
I somewhat agree. While the political turmoil he lived in was one of the main causes for abandoning established systems, he still believed that our inability to appreciate atonal music was mostly cultural, and if you've spent a great deal listening to his music you will agree with me that he was right. Once you truly understand what's happening his string quartets become the catchiest earworm you can find in music.
Still, I think that his pursuit was validated not by his philosophical beliefs, but by his actual compositional ability. Atonal music is interesting only as long as a genius is composing it. From here stems my general dislike for most post-50s avantgarde movements.

>he was an antipopulist edgelord
Schoenberg was actually very mellow when it came to promoting his art. He may have been kinda smug towards certain critics, but he wasn't a cutthroat businessman who became famous by invalidating everyone's work. Boulez perfectly fit that stereotype, though.

>>70552587
There's always Rochberg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xf9_JYLQvA

I've just bought a piano. I can sit down for hours and improvise for hours, costantly coming up with new ideas, yet I still have to undertake any kind of formal training.
Is the fact that I can improvise for hours without ever getting stuck musically indicative of some sort of talent?

>>70568291
http://www.trade-schools.net/articles/trade-school-jobs.asp

>>70568291
It means you're not tone deaf

Time to actually learn composition my guy

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Was he right? Or was he underrating Mozart by grouping him up with those other two?

>>70568659
>no petzold
into let trash

>>70568668
petzold is a nigger faggot

>>70568659
Everyone is underrating Mozart at all times.

>>70568680
makes you think...

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What did he mean? Considering his music is more Schubertian than anything else

>>70568727
Pretty cool that he continually said that over a 51-year period.

>>70568754
He really made an effort not to underrate Mozart, I guess he ultimately failed

Who is the greatest recorded pianist of all time?

>>70569075
maksim mrvica

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>>70569075

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Bach BTFO

"Melody is the essence of music. I compare a good melodist to a fine racer, and counterpointists to hack post-horses; therefore be advised, let well alone and remember the old Italian proverb: Chi sa più, meno sa—Who knows most, knows least."

>>70569229
Bach wrote beautiful melodies though

>>70569229
It is better to excel at both, wich is what Mozart did after having studied extensively Bach with Haydyn in his mid '20s.
He was probably talking about hacky contemporaries who used counterpoint extensively.

>ctrl + f
>no Benjamin Britten Cello Suites

ayyyy

>>70569229
What has that got to do with Bach?

>>70567644
I'm good friends with a guy whose mother was Eva in the first performance of Freitag aus Licht (and was sort of in Stockhausen's circle of favourites). Apparently he met him once when he was about 5 and Stockhausen gave him a toy dinosaur.

But yeah, Stockhausen was a funny guy

>>70569550
>funny
>as if he wasn't serious when he said that

>>70569572

>funny
>ˈfʌni/
>adjective
>difficult to explain or understand; strange or curious.

Petzold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqSAGwa49MM

Can anyone recommend me something similar to this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-pVz2LTakM

>>70570822
inb4 someone posts the meme

>>70570822
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46-tpr0_C_8

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Whats some essential classical that helps stimulate the bogdabots?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjEwsooNHoc

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>>70569075

>tfw I finally remember what the resolution I keep playing in my head - after hearing another bit of music that hints at a similar pattern but resolves differently - is from

Been driving me mad for two days.

>>70572195
>when the earworm is so obscured you can't even figure out the individual notes

suffering

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Thoughts on this literal who?

>>70572572
Clt likes him so he's bad

>>70572596
But Scaruffi also likes him :(

>>70572649
Its treason then

Post the most beautiful sad piece you know.
Hard mode: no Petzold

>>70569116
Fuck off poly

>>70572649
confirmed bad

>>70573376
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHfRb7MBp0Q

What is /classical/'s very favourite piece of music, and which recording?

>>70574595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0RrT6hMOgI

>>70571708
more like the projecting song

>>70574595
the art of fugue on a keyboard instrument

>>70574595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu7F1QPwB-8

>>70568680
I'm pretty entry level myself and I think alot of people who enjoy classical music but are casuals tend to gravitate towards his music because of the dynamic nature

>>70568727
He programmed his operas a lot at a time where they were thought to be crass and outdated.

>>70568727
He had a necro fetish.

>When your logo designers are of greater interest than your conducting abilities
Man, Simon fucking Rattle is such a joke.

>>70573376
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8RPbPW

How to get into Bach's cantatas? Wich ones should I listen to first?
Consider that I've only listened to all of his violin partitas and his Art of Fugue.

>>70577442
BWV 199 is the best thing Bach ever wrote. Start there.

>>70577442
BWV 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUDQWBkj9t4
BWV 56
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdOXnqgQ3XY
BWV 110
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSAEoXd-lH4

etc..

>>70577442
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIKcjKYofoc

>>70567949
Beethoven was a pantheist

>>70577442
Just listen to all of them in order it's only like 80 hours of music

Would Mozart have been the most prolific composer of all time had he lived 20-30 more years?

>>70579127
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_symphonies_by_Leif_Segerstam

>>70579127
Are you implying he isn't the best composer to have graced the Earth?

>>70579127
>>70579309
I think he's implying that he ...

Wait no I have no idea what he's implying. Because by the time he died he already was the most prolific. And probably is.

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Stop not listening to Tveitt

>>70579286
Interesting, but I think Mozart and Bach still have him beat.

>>70579309
Prolific means quantity, not quality.

>>70579127
If Mozart lived an extra year music would be radically different.

>>70555860
Pretty Pleb country.

>>70579361
Are you sure about that? I always assumed it was Bach, or maybe some obscure composer.

>>70579374
is this true or just bait?

>>70579374
>>70579446
An extra year on his deathbed maybe

>>70562103
what is HIP?

>>70579606
Hyper-Interuniversal Projective-geometry

>>70562103
shit I forgot to ask also what is VBO, I'm not seeing anything on google

>>70579642
Verlinde-Bogolyubov Operator

>>70579623
>>70579662
I can't tell if you're trolling but thanks anyway.

>>70579606
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historically_informed_performance
Venice Baroque Orchestra

>>70579606
Shite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye3o0FFbq-c
Underrated af
His other stuff? Not so much

Petzzold

>>70580453
criminally underrated post

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>>70574595
I have a bunch

>>70579127
He does seem to have the highest "prolificiency index" (which I just invented) of 5.77. Divide the total hours of music written by the composers age. Haydn has a score of 4.41, Handel 4.09, Schubert 4.32.

Oh hey CLT if you're still here, why do you listen to Bix Beiderbecke if he's a dirty Mozart underrater?

JC Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AlcG1VKYGI

A Schoenberg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF6IBWTDgnI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ay0nOIWSo4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHrMlgKrons

Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2l5RkeEkBs

who conducted the BEST (best) ring cycle?

>>70581062
frodo

>>70580849
why do people keep recommending this shitty froberger recording? is it because kelemen is the only person to record those pieces? he fucking sucks

>listen immediatly to late Beethoven compositions
>immediatly like them
>listen to them repeteatly for months
>finally decide to start listening his earlier works
>they're all good but they do not hold ground when compared to the later ones

Should I just ignore them? Why would I ever listen to his 3rd sonata when I could listen to his 29th one?

>>70581062
overall in terms of consistency and quality, i think Janowski's might be a good candidate. even if i prefer individual segments from other conductors, like Furt's 1950 Gotterdammerung for instance (especially Act 3, which is my favorite Act 3/Gotterdammerung recording ever)

>>70581156
The Eroica is his best symphony, though.

>>70581275

I obviously regard his earlier works as masterpiece, but I don't think that they can survive a comparison to the latest ones.
The Eroica is an incredible symphony, but it comes as rather uninteresting when compared to the post-4th symphonies.
It's still great, but it's not perfect.

>>70581308
Pretty sure Beethoven himself considered it his best, though that might have been before he composed his ninth symphony (was definitely after his fifth, though)

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Newfag to classical here. I've heard Moonlight Sonata and I really like it, any recs that are similar.?

>>70581308
No, it is his most perfect symphony by a long shot. And it was also his most radical and defining symphony--save for perhaps the finale of the 9th, but the first three movements of that symphony are the best anyway.

>>70581156
>Why would I ever listen to his 3rd sonata when I could listen to his 29th one?
That's true, you only have so much time to listen to music

My favorite Beethoven are his later Piano Trios, later Quartets, later Piano Sonatas, Cello Sonatas, and the Symphonies from 6 onward, although they're all great from starting from the third

>>70581404
Do you like only the meme 1st movement or have you enjoyed the 3rd one too?
If you liked the 3rd one there are many similar Beethoven sonatas: 1st, 8th, 17th, 23rd and 32nd.

>>70581404
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUOIzCeSIY

>>70581404
petzold

>>70581404
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkXOrkeZyqQ

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Underrated

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>>70581429
I actually didn't know there were different "movements". I actually enjoy this one a lot more.

>>70581422
>>70581503
>>70581484
Thanks guys

>>70581571
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHECZiDs1b8

Start from 16.00 if you can't endure the first 2 movements. The 3rd appassionata movement is the piece of music that comes the closer to the 3rd Moonlight Sonata movement.

Also it's rad as fuck and it never fails to get people into classical music.

>>70581571
>>70581691
beethoven is doo doo lol

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>>70581571
>I actually didn't know there were different "movements".

>>70581797

>>70581797

>>70581797

>>70581772
Not everyone is as musically informed as we are. Now go back to /a/, faggot.

>>70581772
I don't listen to classical sorry bud