Where do him and Elliott Smith rank in the list of great

for me personally, top 5

overall it hard to say

>>70482453
For me two and three behind Bob

>>70482385
can they really be great if at least 90% of the American population has never heard of them?

Behind Jeff Rosenstock desu

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Darnielle's second only to Mangum, for me, though I miss lo-fi, literary Darnielle.

>>70482541
I'd bet under 20% of the country at most has heard a Velvet Underground song.

>>70482616
BUT THAT ENTIRE 20% STARTED A BAND, MAN

>>70482600
mangum is talented for sure but darnielle has accomplished so much more

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pic related, in his prime, is one of the best songwriters. Hopefully the new album redeems the last two ones.

also, Mark Eitzel of American Music Club is incredibly underrated

They're both in my top 5. I like you, OP.

I rate Elliott slightly higher, both are my top two.

>>70482692
some guy on rym i think it was said he heard some songs because he pre ordered early and it was their best material since 69 love songs so who knows

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Where would Linkous fit in here?

>>70482641
This made my day, thanks

>>70483914
those songs he heard on on youtube and even spotify. Preorder came with one song from each decade

>>70482385
the mountain goats aren't even good

elliott is okay. Literally nothing special about either of their songwriting though. Listen to more music

Phil E > Kozelek > Elliott Smith > Darnielle

>>70485007
You're dumb. Elliott's chord progressions are fantastic and his production pretty unique, like the way he coonstantly uses double voice harmonies. Plus he was a fantastic guitar player.

>>70482600
mark is literally number 1 unironically