>ITT: Post a chart with four albums that you think define

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>>70354181
I still don't understand what post-punk is

>>70354274
>>70354307
nah

>>70354315
It's not really well defined. It's stuff that was informed by punk, but decided to branch out and do something unique. There's really no sound that universally defines the genre.

>>70354327
Well if you think you have better choices you're more than welcome to say them.

Plunderphonics

>>70354336
yeah its more of a movement and a "mindset" than it was a genre

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>>70354348
shidd I forgot the pic

>>70354371
p good chart

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Experimental Hip Hop

>>70354181
by "define" you mean your favorites or what is more representative of the genre? because if it is the second one, i really find it hard to agree with it

>>70354315
as most genres (in particular big ones like this, that at the same time spawned diverse subgenres), it's pretty hard to form just one definition. you could think of it as music from the mid-70s onwards that took the punk ethos but instead of focusing on three chord fast songs used that to explore other sounds with some more "avant" sensibilites to it, sort to speak. for instance, PiL's debt to dub or no wave's interest in dissonance and noise.

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>>70354181
>No Y

>>70354370
Yep. Also, this chart is a pretty bad attempt at representing the movement.

nother' one.
Math rock

>>70354419
>>70354406
nice

>>70354181
Post Punk is a hard genre to nail down in 4 albums so expect everyone to disagree with you
Also I disagree with you

>>70354371
>not having Endtroducing be the first album on the chart
It's only fitting

>>70354442
Y is alread covered by these 4 albums:
>dissonant, grimy, experimental bits: Dome and Killing Joke
>funk and jazzy bits: Remain in Light and Soul Mining

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>>70354473
FUCK Y DO I KEEP FORGETTING THE PICTURE

>>70354455
>>70354483
didnt ask!

>>70354506
Replace TTNG with Don Cabalerro 2 imho famalam

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>>70354506
eh

>>70354494
Yeah, but you picked record that didn't do things as well. It seemed like you wanted to use lesser acclaimed albums for some type of underground legitimacy.

>>70354307
Replace Jay Z with Paid In Full,

>>70354506
out of curiosity, have you heard Don Caballero's stuff? cause i can't really see why someone would put TTNG over them.

>>70354567
how are Soul Mining, Remain In Light, and Killing Jokes lesser acclaimed albums????

>>70354559
another genre that is hard to find represent in just 4 albums. in fact, i think i would most likely come up with 4 totally different albums.

>>70354559
where is big black

>>70354605
Compared to like Y or Entertainment? Yeah, Killing Joke and Soul Mining are lesser known/talked about.

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>>70354455
>>70354483
>>70354442
ok since you chucklefucks keep shoving your cocks down my throat here's a fucking generic jerk-off echo chamber post punk chart
hope youre happy

>>70354371
I don't see My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts in there.

>>70354632
not really
>>70354680
replace any of these alby

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>>70354585
>>70354557
Sorry family forgot about Don C

>>70354680
optional: replace any of these albums with Entertainment!

>>70354680
You can like whatever albums you want, man. Just don't claim it's the most representative group.

>>70354700
>he picks american don
Not that you needed to change it for me or anything but why this inferior work

>>70354726
American Don is the best Don Can though.

>>70354680
>implying circlejerking and echoing The Modern Dance should ever end

>>70354315
is what happens after punk

>>70354680
personally i prefer and think metal box is way more important than first issue

but no one here thinks Killing Joke or The The are bad so chill out, man. it's just that no one thinks fucking Dome "defines" post-punk, m8. this would have been easier have you posted "your four favorite albums in X genre". no pointless debates about which album represents years and years of musical output the best and a bigger chance for people to pick unique albums.

you blew up, don't blame us

>>70354747
I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE

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Noise Rock

>>70354754
>US
>Canadian album
:/

>>70354784
hey didnt ask

>>70354444
Is Angels And Demons At Play a good intro to Sun Ra? I've only listened to Space Is The Place all the way through but I love Moondog and Black Saint to bits

>>70354790
What's your favorite? WBNR? Admittedly, American Don is one of the albums that got me into math rock.

>>70354794
pretty good

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Emo

>>70354726
I dunno

>>70354754
>us post rock
>f#a#

>>70354181
no joy division or new order?

>>70354834
>sad math rock
>sad pop rock
>emo
mkay

>>70354834
Pinkerton isn't emo, and I think you have too many albums within the same style. I think AF and SDRE are probably good, though I might have chosen a Mineral record for the SDRE style.

>>70354860
oh look another fucking funnyman is complaining because he cant get a boner because there's no joy division on the chart

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Ambient Techno
Honorable mention 76:14

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>>70354863
>>70354876
Fix'd

>>70354834
now this one i don't like and don't take it as an offense but i really have my doubts regarding your knowledge of the genre

pinkerton is barely emo and you are focusing way too much in midwest emo (and if you are going to do that, you probably should include cap'n jazz). i would also include something to represent screamo (perhaps orchid?) and/or emocore (such as rites of spring).

>>70354899
replace pop with 76:14 and it's perfect

>>70354828
It is WBNR but 2 is just as great.

>>70354900
It's still missing major styles in the genre's development. Take off Promise Ring and put Rites of Spring or something. Or don't, I don't really care.

>>70354900
not fixed
you still have american football

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>>70354936
>>70354958

>>70354958
american football is perhaps the only one out of those four that should stay and you want to remove it lmao

>>70355007
What about No New York?

>>70354428
>>70354370
>>70354315
Are Sun City Girls post punk?

>>70355007
no wave is pretty much one of the few genres in which the job of "defining" it was already (incomplete, but still) done by a comp and you somehow decide to ignore it to include Ike

>>70354824
I really dug Liquidity and Nuclear War

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Trip Hop

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>>70355007
I got you. Really hoped there were four of those.

>>70354838
>>70354797

You are right, I'm dumb.
Let's re-title the chart "north american post rock".
Or replace GYBE with your favorite June of 44 album.

>>70355087
no you fucking cracker it's the "No New York" compilation by Brian Eno
different anon btw

>>70355119
Good call, forgot about that one. Just picked the fourth record at random.

>>70355087
replace branca with no new york desu. the new york noise comps are great but that one is still THE definitive work of no wave

>>70355091
>No LSD And The Search For God
what the fuck

>>70355059
I wanted to highlight the movement's punk/rock aspect, jazz aspect, classical aspect, and synth/pop aspect. No New York lacks the latter two.

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I have an idea.
Post the top 4 albums from a certain year.

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>>70354899
And IDM

>>70354927
Is 76:14 really much better? I really dug the first two songs and the closer but other than that I haven't listened to it in a while.

>>70355153
no

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>>70355153
ez

>>70355168
not really important whether it's better or not. pop is barely even ambient techno, it's mostly just ambient. 76:14 is a better representation imo

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Dream pop

You could probably make an argument for pretty much any other CT album but whatever

>>70355291
Replace Teen Dream with Long Season or Isn't Anything

>>70355353
I don't think Long Season was really all that influential (could be wrong here) and Isn't Anything is much more noisy than dreamy. I put Teen Dream on there because it's pretty representative of later dream pop.

>>70355263

I love Autechre, but Untilted is probably their worst album.

>>70355291
Replace Teen Dream with Bloom

>>70354680
>First isusse instead of Flower of romance or Metal box
>Uknown pleasures instead of Closer
Holy shit biggest pleb yet
>>70354181
Holy shit, Remain in the light is fucking new wave not post-punk. Why is always mentioned as post punk?

>>70354307
No Biggie? Seems culturally relevant enough to deserve a mention.

>>70355388
Teen Dream is just so similar to Cocteau Twins though. It doesn't really represent anything different from the chart

>>70355396
>LCC
>Pro Radii
>Iera
>Sublimit
>Worst Autechre album
Even if Chiastic Slide and Incanabula didn't exist Untilted would be far from their worst. It has some dull moments but at its peak it's absolute madness

>>70355467
remain in light is post punk you cracker

>>70355467
>he thinks post-punk and new wave are mutually exclusive
Listen to Devo you philistine.

>>70355501

Talking Heads are like the quintessential new wave band (new wave as it was originally intended, non as a synonym of synth-pop like many in America tend to use).

>trying to define post punk/new wave in 4 records

Impossible, the era spawned so many subgenres so quickly.

>>70354315
It's a wide genre like everyone else is saying but it typically contains elements of new wave, no wave, goth rock, hardcore and some others on a smaller scale

>>70355031
I wouldn't really call them that but I can see how calling them that wouldn't be entirely inaccurate

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>>70355698
really shows how much prog sucks cock

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>>70355153

There isn't a absolutely clear distinction between the two terms, but usually

New wave (poppier, more dancey, more colorful, mostly american):
Talking Heads, Devo, Blondie, B-52's, Elvis Costello
Post punk (gloomier, darker, punkier, mostly british):
Joy Division, PIL, Wire, The Fall, Siouxsie and The Banshees

>>70355698
> Pink Floyd
> Prog
Never go this full retard.

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>>70356083

>>70356127
Of all the albums they have you picked the only one that isn't prog at all.

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>>70354754

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>>70355086
>He thinks Mezzanine is more iconic than Blue Lines

>>70356199
T H I S

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>>70356178
Fine then. Are you happy, now?

>>70356292
Perfect.

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you could also add mono or this will destroy you to this list idk

>>70354782
>>70354782
i think this is good evidence that comus and exuma are the only practitioners of freak folk

>>70355483
>Implying Chiastic Slide is one of the worst Autechre albums

Is Marquee Moon considered Post Punk?

>>70356710
protopunk usually

>>70356710
yeah it is but its shitty and boring

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>>70354371
>no album from the guy who literally invented the genre

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>>70354782
replace Larkin Grimm with this

>>70356793
television is a protopunk band but Marquee Moon isn't really a proto-punk album

>>70355740
I like it

>>70356998
id rather choke on a fork

>>70354371
>>70356936
Never heard of this genre before. Apparently it just means a song made mostly of samples?
I feel like Daft Punk - especially Discovery - would be a pretty good fit for that.

>>70355086
Maxinquaye deserves to be on there as does Reverence
while Endtroducing is the album that gave birth to the term trip-hop I think it fits better under the categorization of instrumental hip-hop

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My take on post-punk, put on chart in chronological order:

Blondie - s/t (very much indicative of post-punk and new wave. Definitely has a punk sound to it, performed at CBGBs during those days, but at the same time the music isn't exactly quite punk. Whether it's New Wave as a definition of rock music or New Wave as a definition of electronic music, this record does both and has influenced others that are either one or both)

Pere Ubu - The Modern Dance (entail punk's speediness, the genre's origins from garage rock, surprisingly technical instrument play akin to Television and Minutemen, weird kind of electronic fuckery akin to Killing Joke and This Heat which is also influential to industrial groups)

The Pop Group - Y (entail the crazy genre experimentation of post-punk being dub, funk, free jazz, having not only the surface level aspects of those forms of music, but even stuff like a conductor and studio fuckery)

Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures (shouldn't have to explain this one. Picked UP even though I personally enjoy Closer more due to how much more influential UP is)

>>70354444
Too many jazz picks. Take out one of those three, and replace with George Gershwin's Rhapsody In Blue considering how much of a gamechanger that was when it came to the idea of Third Stream.

>>70357390
It's more than that. It implies that the album is largely constructed from samples, particularly many small ones. While Discovery makes extensive use of sampling, the focus is on larger samples as the basis for entire songs. A better choice might be something like Paul's Boutique that, while ostensibly a rap album, engendered modern music sampling laws due to the sheer number of samples used. Any Girl Talk album could be called plunderphonics as well.

>>70354782
nice, freak folk doesn't get enough love around here

>>70357715
go fuck yourself

>>70356292
well done mane

>>70354315
Rock music that used the punk rock structure but thematically/otherwise wasn't the punk ethos

>>70354817
Kyuss - Welcome to Sky Valley absolutely needs to be on this