Why haven't there been any real rock stars since Kurt

>>70322447
Real talk, probably the last big bang in rock as far as the main world views it is Radiohead. But they were/are defiitely a different embodiment than Kurt/Nirvana represented.

>he doesn't know about Josh Homme

>>70322447
Social media culture doesn't suit the mysterious, only the explicit attention whores. Without such an open society bullshit stories and a sense of mystery would naturally build but now to get attention you need to plaster yourself everywhere

>>70322563
nobody knows who he is, and nobody cares what he says or does. not a rockstar.

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>>70322447
wrong

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wrong

>>70322718
who the fuck is this fruitcake?

>>70322687
/thread

>Kurt Cobain
>real rock star
LMAO

>>70322807
hello newfag

>>70322447
Gallagher bros
Jack White

>>70322958
kurt was in the biggest band in the world and was constantly in the media. everyone knew him and saw his antics, and cared about what he had to say.

and let me ask once again, who is the fruitcake?

Dave Grohl

>>70323276
>kurt was in the biggest band in the world and was constantly in the media. everyone knew him and saw his antics, and cared about what he had to say.
if fame is the metric we're using rather than authenticity and talent then 21 pilots are "real rockstars"

>and let me ask once again, who is the fruitcake?
hello newfag

>>70323276
>>70322807
More like furrycake

>>70323350
>rather than authenticity and talent
Since when is that the metric for rock stars in general?

>>70323390
so like i said, if this is just based on fame then you've got 21 pilots

>>70323423
>if this is just based on fame
Since when is that the metric for rock stars in general?

>>70323276
He's called Google I. Magesearch

>>70322447
no one who shoot up heroin has money for gear.

>>70323443
that was the metric you brought up a few posts ago? i'm not really sure what else you want. you said:
>kurt was in the biggest band in the world and was constantly in the media. everyone knew him and saw his antics, and cared about what he had to say.

>>70323443
why don't you tell us what metric you're using, and we'll tell you if recent "rock stars"

>>70323593
>that was the metric you brought up a few posts ago?
Quote me where I did.
>>70323595
Rock stars have to exude a certain type of personality. It's definitely a stereotype. The whole Jim Morrison/Mick Jagger/Steven Tyler bullshit. It's a dying breed.

>>70323350
the difference is nobody gives a fuck about what 21 pilots say or do. they are boring tween popstars, not rock stars. nirvana spoke to a generation. 21 pilots speak to nobody.

i don't even like nirvana that much, but saying kurt cobain wasn't a rock star is false.

>>70322647
this

>>70322682
Bad taste senpai

>>70323686
i did in the second part of that post you gigantic retard? unless this is one of those "ha i'm not that guy even though i'm replying like i am and there's no way for you to know otherwise!" things.

>>70323746
Show me which post.

>>70323738
It's not taste, it's fact. Ask any random guy on the street who Josh Homme is and they'll have no idea. Kurt Cobain is a household name.

>>70323720
>they are boring tween popstars
and kurt wasn't? he took a popular style/sound/brand, watered down to be MTV and radio friendly, and became a top 40 pop star who spoke to moody teens.

>>70323777
>took a popular style/sound/brand, watered down to be MTV and radio friendly, and became a top 40 pop star
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWNjQD7FNXQ

>>70323760
what the fuck is happening?

>kurt was in the biggest band in the world and was constantly in the media. everyone knew him and saw his antics, and cared about what he had to say.

what else do i need to do here, you're losing me

>>70323801
I'm not that guy who said it you driveling moron.

>>70323796
they weren't famous because of their random b-sides, they were famous because of they
>took a popular style/sound/brand, watered down to be MTV and radio friendly, and became a top 40 pop star

>>70323857
>>took a popular style/sound/brand
How was Grunge popular before Nirvana?

>>70323777
of course he wasn't. grunge was not a popular genre or style before nirvana came along. kurt cobain made rock, therefore he was a rock star, not a pop star. even then, do you see pop stars crashing stages, openly doing hard drugs, and giving no fucks in interviews? i think not.

>>70323831
that quote was clearly what i was replying (since, you know, i quoted it) so what the fuck are you responding to you gigantic fucking retard? i replied to someone's exact quote, you interjected with something irrelevant, and then you're like "where did i say that huh huh?" jesus christ

>>70323878
it wasn't. pearl jam released ten only a month before nirvana, so they're out. smashing pumpkins, alice in chains, and soundgarden came after nirvana.

it was most definitely not popular before nirvana came along.

>>70323878
>>70323892
grunge was a rapidly growing west coast underground genre and kurt jumped on and made it radio friendly for the masses. so he's kanye west basically.

>>70323937
True

>>70323902
>that quote was clearly what i was replying
Sounds like your mistake for assuming I was some other guy
>so what the fuck are you responding to you gigantic fucking retard?
I responded to >>70323350 with >>70323390
Please read the thread
>you interjected with something irrelevant
How is it irrelevant, other than it just proves you to be an idiot?
>>70323937
>grunge was a rapidly growing west coast underground genre
Which Nirvana was a part of.

Please try harder.

>>70323350
>authenticity and talent
Are you saying Nirvana was talentless and inauthentic?

>>70323937
"underground" you fucking idiot. underground. not popular, and without nirvana, grunge would've stayed underground.

even then, nirvana's first album came out in 1989, way before you could say they were hopping on any bandwagon.

>>70323957
my entire reply up there was questioning why that other anon was using fame as the only metric for a rockstar. then you came in like "since when it that the only metric?!" which is exactly what i was responding to. read the fucking context faggot, you are so goddamn stupid.

>>70323983
yes

>>70323995
i'll concede that instead of popular it was a rapidly growing and inevitably popular genre that they watered down to be radio friendly similar to how kanye has done for underground hip hop trends

>>70323998
Oh wow are you also this guy >>70323777

You are a clueless idiot. Not sure what to tell you.
>>70324037
>yes
Why?
>i'll concede that instead of popular it was a rapidly growing and inevitably popular genre
Not in 1987 it wasn't.

>>70322687
>rock

>>70324037
i don't even like kanye as a musician. i think he has MAYBE one good album. there is no denying he started many trends on his own. his first two albums were his own sound, not taken from anyone. his fourth album was his own sound, and started the autotune wave. his fifth album was his own sound, and nobody has even tried to replicate what he did since then because it would be obvious they'd be biting him. and his sixth album took a lot of influence from death grips, but to say it was a growing underground trend is simply false.

stop hating on shit that you're clueless about.

>>70324183
>his fourth album was his own sound, and started the autotune wave.
What do you mean?

>>70322447
because rock is fucking dead and thank god it is
rock is such a white peoples genre its fucking disgusting

Because no one else in mainstream rock could appeal to popular tastes well enough to fill the void he left.

Jack White

>>70324203
808s was an innovative and influential album. he did not ride a bandwagon. he started the bandwagon.

>>70322647
>kurt cobain
>mystery
what did he meme by this?

>>70324272
>Why was this influential?
>Because it was influential
Circular logic aside, what do you mean by "autotune wave"?

>>70324315
the fact that autotune took off after his album. everyone and their mother started to use it in the rap scene after 2009.

>>70323937
grunge meant nothing to the usa at large before nirvana
you're trying too hard senpai

>>70324304
Back in the early 90's the internet was primitive and you had to rely on magazines and such to get information about people. Now Kurt certainly seems like an open book, but back then there was a bit of mystery due to the lack of information.

>>70324253
you mean the guy with a single memorable song? lmao

>>70324351
You mean intentional digital artifacts from singing off key while using autotune?
Hmmm, I've been hearing that on rap albums before that, like Little Wayne or whatever.

I first heard it as an effect on Cher's "Believe" in 1998.

>>70324425
>implying normies don't know Nirvana just for 'Smells Like Teen Spirit'

>>70324442
cher used it once, lil wayne used it once, t pain used it a bunch, but that's it. three or four people max. it took off after kanye. this really isn't debatable, you're trying though.

>>70324351
wtf kanye fans actually believe this?
autotune was already HUGE way before kanye

>>70324505
feel free to back that up with a shred of evidence.

and like i said before, i'm not a fan of his music. one good album, MAYBE.

>>70324473
>it took off after kanye. this really isn't debatable,
But you just said Lil Wayne and T Pain used it before Kanye. Hence, it took off after *them*, not Kanye.

And again, Cher and Kid Rock used it in the 90s, so rather,m it took off after they did it.

>>70324545
According to Chris Lee of the Los Angeles Times, "Believe" is "widely credited with injecting Auto-Tune's mechanical modulations into pop consciousness."[17] In the year 2000, the single "Naive Song" performed by Mirwais Ahmadzai from his album Production (Mirwais LP) is the first ever track using Auto-Tune on the complete vocals.[18][19] The use of Auto-Tune as a vocal effect was bolstered in the late 2000s by hip hop/R&B recording artist T-Pain who elaborated on the effect and made active use of Auto-Tune in his songs.[20] He cites new jack swing producer Teddy Riley and funk artist Roger Troutman's use of the Talk Box as inspirations for his own use of Auto-Tune.[17] T-Pain became so associated with Auto-Tune that he has an iPhone App named after him that simulates the effect, called "I Am T-Pain".[21] Auto-Tune has since been used in other hip hop/R&B artists' works, including Snoop Dogg's single "Sexual Eruption",[22] Lil Wayne's "Lollipop",[23] and Kanye West's album 808s & Heartbreak.[24]

>>70322492
I would say they're the opposite of rockstars

>>70322447
A few, but since 2000 it has been pop singers and rappers to pick up the torch and do the whole edgy totally-not-mainstream """counter culture""" marketing thing

>>70324545
autotune exists since the late 90s, and even back then it already made waves in the industry because of cher and daft punk. you know nothing

>>70324552
a couple of artists using it does not mean taking off, dummy. t pain used it in 2006, lil wayne in 2007, kanye in 2008, and everyone and their mother after 2008, because of kanye. fact.

>>70324726
>because of kanye. fact.
Prove it.

>>70324758
just did. a couple artists used it before him, and after him, everyone was using it.

>>70324777
>a couple artists used it before him
Which is why he didn't start it. They did.

See >>70324574
>T-Pain became so associated with Auto-Tune that he has an iPhone App named after him that simulates the effect, called "I Am T-Pain".[21]

The real question is why do you ant to give Kanye this credit so bad?

>>70323777
How can one be this fucking wrong

>>70324819
it means they were some of the first to use it, but it doesn't mean they were influential. kanye was influential.

because i like facts? i dislike idiots like you trying to argue against facts.

>>70324899
>because i like facts?
circular logic =/= facts

How about a citation?

>>70324953
i'm not going to bother linking shit for a troll. if you weren't so obvious, maybe i would.

google it yourself. "influence of 808s & heartbreak", "use of autotune", etc.

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>>70325049
>google it yourself

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>>70322447
You could argue that Marilyn Manson was the last actual rockstar, up until about 2001.

>>70323934
>alice in chains
Alice in Chains had a gold record before Nirvana and Man in the Box was getting regular MTV airplay before Nirvana blew up.

>>70325102
They were more glam metal than grunge

>>70322647
Holy shit, this is adorable.

>>70325166
They ditched their glam metal image before they released Facelift and the glam influence was barely noticeable on the album.

>>70325067
that's step one little guy. now what do you do next? you can do it!

>>70325166
Jesus. Grunge isn't even a genre, it was a term coined to group together a bunch of bands from the pacific northwest playing punk/metal influenced hard rock.

>>70325212
Wrong. They were touring with Poison, Van Halen and Extreme.

They ditched it for the Sap EP, which was released *after* Nevermind. That's when they were more "grunge".
>>70325241
>now what do you do next?
Read the first page of results that all unanimously claim that T Pain popularized it, and know you are an idiot.
>>70325258
Nah, there are definite musical similarities that can create at least a notable genre definer. Watch Hype or listen to Sub Pop 200.

>>70325102
alice in chains had a semi-successful album less than a year before nirvana blew up. we can agree on that.

>>70325290
the article says that t pain brought it to the table, which nobody is disagreeing with. kanye west used it and influenced everyone in hip hop.

>>70325371
>kanye west used it and influenced everyone in hip hop.
[citation needed]

>>70323350
Twenty One Pilots' music that gets played on the radio is completely different from their songs that don't get played on the radio. After being signed to a label, they lose creative control becuase the label pressures them to create songs that will get radio play. But, if you check out their earlier music, that's not at all how they are when they're not under the control of a label.

>>70325418
let's go through this again.

google...

>>70325193
He's not wrong though

>>70325484
Not a citation.

Try again.

>>70325593
i heard google is great for finding citations.

>>70325622
You better try it then, because you have yet to give a citation.

>>70325430
They're on fucking Fueled by Ramen. If the label was in control, they'd sound like fucking emo-pop like Paramore or My Chemical Romance.

>>70322447
low competion maybe low T maybe low motivation definitely low competition. since when did it become shitty to be a competitive male.

>>70325656
i'd link things for someone adding to discussion and not trolling.

>>70325739
OK.

>>70325290
Who AIC were touring with is irrelevant, Alice in Chains weren't playing glam music or portraying a glam image by 1990. They opened in 1990 for Iggy Pop, does that make them punk? You sound very young, like you weren't actually alive and listening to music at the time Alice in Chains and Nirvana got famous, and haven't done any research beyond Wikipedia articles.

>>70322447
because he inspires teens to attempt to make radio friendly buttrock instead of experimenting and makeing there own music. this is made worse by the kikes in charge of record companies releasing its easier and more profitable to just put autotune over a woman moaning or a trap beat over a nigger grunting and yelling on a stage

>>70325806
>Who AIC were touring with is irrelevant,
You mean musical context, showing their peers, is irrelevant?
>Alice in Chains weren't playing glam music or portraying a glam image by 1990.
Oh you haven't listened to Facelift?
>You sound very young, like you weren't actually alive and listening to music at the time Alice in Chains and Nirvana got famous
Projecting

>>70325843
>You mean musical context, showing their peers, is irrelevant?
So their peers were Slayer, Anthrax, Megadeth and Iggy Pop? Because that's who they toured in support of Facelift. Ok...
>Oh you haven't listened to Facelift?
And you don't know what glam metal is, terrific.

Fun fact, did you know that MTV chose to playlist Man in the Box as a conscious decision to abandon glam metal in favor of AIC's darker, harder-edged rock? No you did not, because this fact isn't mentioned in the Man in the Box Wikipedia article.

>>70326277
>So their peers were Slayer, Anthrax, Megadeth and Iggy Pop?
Those first three bands are metal bands. They were friends with Metallica for christsake
>No you did not, because this fact isn't mentioned in the Man in the Box Wikipedia article.
Yeah I don't really care for Alice in Chains because they are more metal than grunge. if you can't listen to Facelift and hear it's heavier than their notable Seattle peers, you are deaf as fuk

Rock stars used to be a lot more mysterious before the Internet. Like Kiss never showing their real faces...that gimmick would be impossible to pull off today.

>>70325681
I know the label they're on. And, The label isn't entirely in control. But they have some control. Enough to get them to make their sound a little more pop. Paramore and MCR were both more raw before being signed to FbR. The label has to make money. It's not like you can really blame 'em.

>>70327331
You're either an artist or just a performer. You should blame them for picking sides and choosing to side with a label who'll push em around.

>>70326277
>Fun fact, did you know that MTV chose to playlist Man in the Box as a conscious decision to abandon glam metal in favor of AIC's darker, harder-edged rock? No you did not, because this fact isn't mentioned in the Man in the Box Wikipedia article.

MTV and radio stations in the early 90s made a collective decision to promote alternative rock and hip-hop and ditch all the dinosaur AOR metal bands. As late as 1988, you could still hear the latest Rolling Stones or Beach Boys single on the radio, by 1993 essentially all pre-80s bands except Aerosmith were evicted from the airwaves.

Record labels dropped dinosaur rock bands en masse and most of them got relegated to irrelevancy on budget labels like CMC Records.

>>70327598
Even the odd '50s artists like the Everly Brothers could still be heard on the radio in the Reagan years. The grunge explosion changed everything overnight.

>>70327598
Yeah I do agree that by the end of the 80s, MTV et al were getting tired of bands like AC/DC, REO Speedwagon, Def Leppard, and Van Halen, and they wanted something new and exciting that wasn't involving wearing a giant wig and leather while singing about groupies. That shit was cool in the 70s, by 1989 it was played out and tired.

Everyone says Nirvana invented grunge but Pixies and Husker Du did it first.

And everyone says Kanye was some pioneer in soul sampling but De La Soul did that first, or autotune emo rap which Kid Cudi did first.

Nirvana and Kanye are hacks, they merely popularized styles that had already been established.

Patrick Stickles?

>>70327866
>Everyone says Nirvana invented grunge but Pixies and Husker Du did it first.

Neil Young always used to say he invented it. :^)

alternative rock was a weird time and I'm convinced the record labels will never allow something like that to happen again

>>70327866
>Everyone says Nirvana invented grunge but Pixies and Husker Du did it first.
Literally no one said this you dummy
>Nirvana merely popularized styles that had already been established.
[citation needed]

"We turned down Guns'N'Roses. That would have been a big waste of time. As expected, the alternative movement is attracting bandwagoners. I don't know about Soundgarden, we've hung out with them before and they seem like great guys, but then there's other bands like Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains that are obvious corporate puppets. Many of these guys were involved in the hairspray/cockrock scene for years, and now decide to stop washing their hair, don flannel, and fly up to Seattle from Los Angeles to get a record deal and act as if they've lived here their entire lives. It's very insulting to me."

who is Thom yorke

>>70327866
>some pioneer in soul sampling but De La Soul did that first
Shut up when adults are speaking. It was the way he sampled soul beats that became his trademark. People were doing it before De La Soul, you fuck.
>autotune emo rap which Kid Cudi did first.
Cudi barely has used autotune in his career. He is definitely a huge pioneer of the emo-rap thing, but 808's is the album that made it take off, added the autotune, and influenced a generation of hip hop artists. Kanye gives Cud the credit he's due, no more, no less. Be like Kanye.

>>70322718
Look at this kid. Look at him and tell me he is a rock star.

>>70328178
Rumor has it he's more of a fag star if you know what i mean

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>>70322447
Uh...

>>70326441
is this a joke?

>>70327384
I think they're getting more freedom now though. After blowing up last year. Tyler actually said in an interview that they're gonna try to take their next record back to the way they used to be. Hopefully it turns out that way. I personally think their old music is a lot better.

>>70328622
I have never heard them, but from what I understand it's just Coldplay/Imagine Dragons-type garbage.

So it's just gonna be 2% less pop garbage than it is now.

>>70327971

>Literally no one said this you dummy

I have literally heard people tell me that IRL.

>>70327971

>[citation needed]

go listen to some Pixies from the 80s and tell me they don't sound like Nirvana

>>70328716
>go listen to some Pixies from the 80s and tell me they don't sound like Nirvana
OK I'm listening to Cecelia Anne right now. What Nirvana song does this sound like?
>I have literally heard people tell me that IRL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

>>70323777
That style wasn't even popular until Nirvana came along, it's just so many cheap imitations of Nirvana have come along that it's hard to listen to them with fresh ears. They made that style popular.

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>>70322447
Pop rap stars are the new rock stars.

To be popular, it had to be rebellious. It seems Grunge was the last novel idea in Rock that could stay rebellious while remaining appealing to the masses - any darker, and it would lose the potential to blow up like Nirvana. That's why artists like Marilyn Manson could never get as big. Trap is booming right now partially because it's still rebellious and disliked by older people. Maybe Rock could have competed, but its mainstream output in the 2000s was so weak that it wasn't a contest.

>>70322447
Because rock music went out of fashion around that time. There have been/are still "rock stars" out there. They just aren't making rock music.

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>>70322447
>implying human sadness + Tyranny didn't come out in 2014

>>70322647
>what is frank ocean

>>70322447
Because the media has turned rock into the genre of tortured artists. In order to get any attention they want to see the musician suffering through life.