Do fans of metal music look down on the genre's classic

I dunno but tell me what modern rock/metal bands will be as fondly remembered as the classics?

>>69964098
>the same way many fans of rock music look down on bands like Led Zeppelin, The Who, and Cream

All of these bands are revered by most rock fans, get off of /mu/ more often

>>69964098

No

also, putting down The Who, get fucked

>>69964098
Only the most contrarian of faggots do. Most recognize those three as the most important bands, even if they're not necessarily their personal favorites.

No I listen almost exclusively to metal and punk and I frequent the metal threads, I always see Sabbath and Iron Maiden treated with reverence (deserved IMO). While there are plenty of metal hipsters they usually don't shit on classic bands like regular rock music hipsters do

>>69964137
I'm not referring to 'most' rock fans, I'm referring to the 'many' that do this. Don't deny there's a sizeable reaction against 'classic rock' nowadays with how people make fun of shit like school of rock or guitar hero-core, or that this kind of making fun is limited to /mu/ or even the internet.

>>69964195
Not in real life

>>69964098
Led Zeppelin sucked from day one. The Who Cream, and the stones were the fathers of rock.

Sabbath is sacred under ozzy or Dio, Mauden has always been rad, and Metallica has always sucked massive chode

I don't think I know anybody who shits on Sabbath, Maiden or even 80s Metallica. That's because they are important figures in metal and anybody who thinks they suck are probably hating it because they think it's cool to hate.

>>69964522
>not including Priest
objectively the most important band in metal after Sabbath

>>69964533
Whoops, forgive me, I didn't mean to forget em

>>69964533
Not him, but fuck Priest. Sabbath and Maiden are cool, though.

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>>69964533
>Judas Priest
>most important band in metal after Sabbath
That's not even close to true, and you know it.

>>69964564
It's absolutely true and you know it.

>>69964553
Maiden is directly influenced by Priest though.

>>69964604
>Judas Priest
>second most important metal band
Maybe for image or something. I would put Motorhead or Mercyful Fate above them.

>>69964619
>Mercyful Fate
>more important than Priest

Who do you think Mercy got the twin guitars and wailing screams from?

>>69964098
>>69964137
>>69964161
>>69964379
The Who and Cream shaped rock. They're not in the same league as Led Zeppelin.
>>69964140
Agreed.

>>69964098
I respect older bands, but that doesn't mean they're above any form of criticism.

>>69964533
>What's Venom

>>69964132
As ironic as it might sound, I think A7X and FFDPwill be remembered.

Blue Oyster Cult are the greatest band to ever exist and if anyone disagrees I will find out where they live, punch them square in the face, and dump a copy of their entire discography, including the two songs they did for movie soundtracks.

>>69964098
No, those bands are awesome

>>69964098
The metal scene is one of the genres where the whole "Le Wrong Generation" is actually true the older metal bands are much better than the current ones.

nothing interesting has happened in metal for like 20 years and the few things that have are despised by the metal community, they don't have a choice but to worship the classics

hipster rock fans have the whole 90s revival and the slew of indeh bands to be their canon so they can afford to shit on the 70s

>>69964098
hell no, you have to respect the greats for starting what has become the modern scene. as a prog snob, maiden, metallica, and zeppelin are all dope. in small doses tho.

>>69964379
>Led Zeppelin sucked from day one.
you're a fucking idiot

>>69964793
>Led Zeppelin didn't shape rock

what kind of stupid fucking shithole do you come from? were you purposely trained to be as stupid and contrarian as possible from birth? fucking seems like it because you're a genuine retard

reverence for the canon is a huge part of being part of the metal community- the hipster mentality is very much looked down on.

>>69964379
>led Zeppelin
>sucked from day one

The fuck man? They're like the greatest fucking rock band to grace the stage
Seriously, every person in that band is super next level
Plant is a fucking golden god

>>69964979
This

>>69964098
i think most metal fans are really into the calssics most of the time.

>>69964098
Fuck no. Metal is dad rock if you think about it. Led Zeppelin, The Who, and Cream are granddad rock. No insult intended.

>>69966008
Modern Metal suffers from being overcomplicated and overproduced. Sometimes even just overplanned as weird as it sounds.
It loses the spirit of what made metal so appealing in the first place.
Its not about cookie monster voices, rapid guitar solos, heavy drums, and emo lyrics.

Its about a bunch of dudes taking hard rock up a notch, fucking about with fun solos and crowd-pleasing sequences, and writing songs about whatever you like. Whether it be a song based on a book or poem you like, ancient mythology, science fiction, your own fucked up tales, or social commentary/parody etc.

Some bands still get it, but many are obsessed with technical wankery.
Metal has always been about the stage performance as much as the songs themselves.

Watch Dio live. Ronnie James Dio is an amazing showman who knows how to get a crowd hyped up and set up a stage.

Look at Rammstein too. They got qualifications in pyrotechnics just so they could fuck about with fire on stage.
Thats dedication to the craft.

>>69966212
>Look at Rammstein too

wow, that whole post was just setup for this line? pretty funny tbf

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>>69966075
>>69966071
>>69964793
angry samefag

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>>69966672
dotted line

heavy metal is kinda gay and homoerotic music which inspires the hidden queer in metalheads.

>>69964098
Not at all. If anything, it's the complete opposite - fans without reverence for the classics are seen as posers.

>>69964098
I feel like Iron Maiden and Led Zeppelin are overrated even if they're pretty good
I personally don't give damn about The Who
Cream deserves all the attention they get though

>>69964619
Judas Priest is definitely the second most influential metal band.

>>69967052
Not only is Bruce Dickinson married with three children, he can drive a tank and fly airplanes. You're guaranteed to be heterosexual after listening to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg9aQvjMS60&list=RDXg9aQvjMS60#t=29

All 3 are definitely important.

Personally find Maiden the most overrated/overhyped.. mostly because there are so many people who just 'love' Iron Maiden, buy the merchandise, and refuse to check out or appreciate much new music but will listen to Iron Maiden 24/7... I find that kind of boring.

They definitely have some really good albums back in their heyday, and tons of killer tunes, but my least fave out of the 3 for that reason. The new albums I've never been too bothered about. Saying that, I haven't even listened to Metallica's new album either.

Black Sabbath 70s stuff is great, really heavy for the time and brings da riffs.

Judas Priest probably my favourite because their whole discography is extremely diverse.

>>69966212
I think it's great that metal has evolved in such a way to become what modern metal is now.

>>69966212
>Its about a bunch of dudes taking hard rock up a notch, fucking about with fun solos and crowd-pleasing sequences, and writing songs about whatever you like. Whether it be a song based on a book or poem you like, ancient mythology, science fiction, your own fucked up tales, or social commentary/parody etc.
This is mostly true. I think it's wrong to say that metal is only this, but the best metal songs aren't guitar wankery. It's stuff like The Trooper and Holy Wars.
Now I'm probably going to be crapped on for this, but my favorite metal band is Babymetal. They are incredible performers, and their music doesn't focus on fitting into a mold. They do what they want to. I saw footage of their sold out concerts at Tokyo Dome (110,000 people over two nights) and it's some of the best metal music I've seen. I can't wait to see them in concert again.

>>69969548
>Babymetal
The music is pretty good while unoriginal, but the vocals are beyond annoying. I don't get why people like them at all.

>>69966042
>and the few things that have are despised by the metal community

You mean the Hatebreed -core type of bands. I find them obnoxious as fuck because they forgot to have any kind of pop sensibility like the 70s-80s bands did. It's just an ugly wall of noise with no hooks or sense of dynamics.

Maiden are overhyped because they had very few good songs in their 250 albums.

Its just music
If you like it listen to it if not don't.
Everything else in this whole board is just intellectual masturbation.

>>69969936
Why the fuck are you here?

>>69966042
The problem is that the evolution of metal practically stopped with Pantera and nobody has been able to move past mock-Phil Anselmo vocals and nu metal chugga chugga guitars.

>>69964098
Only dickheads and kids trying to be cool hate Maiden

>>69966042
>Nothing interesting in the last 20 years
>What was the NWOAHM
Mastodon, Lamb of God, Machine Head

mastodon, opeth, neurosis, isis, boris and electric wizard were all great in their prime and are absolutely detested by metal purists for being 'hipster metal'/ not real metal etc. oh except electric wizard, who are the most indebted to sabbath

metal has the most cancerous fanbase in all of music

>>69970058
I haven't heard much Opeth at all. I love Mastodon and early DT. Any recommendations?

>>69970014
I'd add Shadows Fall to the list, one of the few bands who did metalcore right: thrashy but very melodic at the same time. Their album Retribution is quite something.

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In theory, metal is today's real rock and roll--the music of the people. It's basic, it's rude, kids love it, parents hate it. But the closer you look, the stupider and more delusory it seems. Metal isn't basic--it cultivates a pseudo-virtuosity that negates content. The dreams it promulgates are usually foolish and often destructive. Eighty per cent of the "people" who like it are male, and 98 per cent of them are white.

>>69970105
Aaaand thread ruined. Go home people.

>>69970105
Christgau only likes short, simple, upbeat songs that have a message he agrees with.

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>>69967052
literally nothing wrong with this

>>69970105
>A FUCKING WHITE MALE

>>69969887
>It's just an ugly wall of noise with no hooks or sense of dynamics.

wrong

>>69965900
>FFDP
They have one good song that I'm aware of. I've tried listening to some others but I don't really care for them.

The good song: https://youtu.be/jhgEQMShj14

I'm fairly fond of A7x. They have good melodies in their solos and choruses and things and I don't really care one way or another about their pseudo glam rock GnR ish appearance.

I will always love Maiden and Priest. Never cared for Anthrax or Slayer much.

>>69970730
Guy who plays in a shitty metalcore band detected.

>>69970105
In theory, Robert Christgau is today's real rock and roll critic--the critic of the people. He's basic, he's rude, kids love him, parents hate him. But the closer you look, the stupider and more delusory he seems. Christgau isn't basic--his reviews cultivate a pseudo-virtuosity that negates content. The dreams he promulgates are usually foolish and often destructive. Eighty per cent of the "people" who like him are male, and 98 per cent of them are white.

>>69971639
8/10

>>69969809
You think they're annoying, I think they're great. I'll admit for a while I hated the two younger one's voices, but I got used to it and actually like it now. And Su's voice is seriously one of the best in the genre.

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>>69971886
>ywn be her groupie

Sabbath, Maiden and Priest are just about the biggest Metal bands there are.

>>69964619
Priest are a lot more important than Motorhead, and Mercyful Fate owe everything to bands like Priest and Maiden.

>>69964553
>I've never l listened to Sad Wings, Stained Class, Sin After Sin, or Hell Bent for Leather

>>69971529
nah, metalcore has plenty of hooks though. and dynamics are in the tempo changes and all sorts of shit. think mosh parts/breakdowns etc.

but seriously, there are so many verse/chorus metalcore artists that are basically pop bands covered in metal clothing.

just saying that your description is wrong and just a result of your inherit bias towards the genre

if anything the description is more grindcore/noisecore which on /mu/ appears has more respect than metalcore, you just have no idea what you're talking about

also i like both metalcore and grindcore so whatever

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>>69971943
not with that attitude

DAD METAL FUCKING SUCKS AND EVERYONE PRAISING IT ITT ABSOLUTLEY NEED TO FUCKING KILL THEMSELVES

>>69964195
This
>>69964307

>>69964098
>the same way many fans of rock music look down on bands like Led Zeppelin, The Who, and Cream
The only people who do this are faggot hipsters that only listen to /Indie/

>>69970089
I would start with Ghost Reveries, personally I feel it's their most accessible album during their golden years. Then check out Blackwater Park, and Still Life. That makes their three best albums. Watershed is a close fourth for me. Damnation/Deliverance are great too.

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>>69974059
I gotta say, the old warrior can still belt it on a good night.

>>69964098
Any "metal fan" that looks down on Maiden, Sabbath, or Priest isn't a real metal fan and deserves to be beaten until he sees the error of his ways. Especially Sabbath, the first dedicated heavy metal band. You should always respect the ancestry/history or whatever genre you're passionate about.

>>69964553
>Fuck Priest

Poser faggot.

>>69974168
Rob has been performing quite good in the past 3 years, but he was awful around 2009 and looked like he was dying at a lot of gigs.

>>69967264
This. There are certain things you don't hate on as a true metal fan. Bands like the 3 OP mentioned are prime examples.

>>69974294
He's lucky he can still get up on stage at all given decades of intense live performances, screaming at the top of his lungs, drugs, alcohol, and gay sex.

>>69964098
I look down on butt rock shit, but classic "metal" (I'd call it hard rock personally) like Iron Maiden is pretty great. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son is still one of my all time favorite albums without a doubt.

But I think putting Iron Maiden in the same basket as Judas Priest is an insult to the superior band.

>>69974491
Halford gave up booze and drugs in the mid-80s after his boyfriend committed suicide in front of him and he checked into rehab. He's been clean for over 30 years now.

>>69964098
What kind of metal fan doesn't like Sabbath, Priest and Maiden? They're posers.
Sabbath and Priest especially have plenty of different sounds and are huge influences to pretty much every metal band. Listen to Master of Reality or Sad Wings of Destiny and tell me you don't hear something amazing. Master of Reality came out in '71 and it's so goddamn heavy for its time.
I'm not the biggest fan of Maiden but I like select songs and Di'Anno's albums.

>>69974294
Saw them in 2008 on the Nostradamus tour and he was pretty good. Hit some good screams, especially in Painkiller. This is it actually: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkvwpXGYfHY @4:30. You have to admire that.

>tfw Immortal opened for them but I didn't listen to them at the time and missed it

Rob can still deliver the goods (bad pun I know), it seems more like Glenn Tipton is starting to fall apart. The poor guy is doubled up in pain when he plays, especially during solos. Guess his hands are finally giving out.

>>69975025
He should go to that German doctor who treated Eddie Van Halen and Tony Iommi. Both of them have been playing really good recently after having hand troubles some years ago.

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>>69964098
Why look down upon the founding fathers that's beyond idiotic...
I look down upon certain bands certain old school metal bands that are now just embarasssing to associate with A.K.A what is metallica ?!

>>69975200
>Metallicorporation

At least they don't still pretend they're relevant unlike Iron Maiden who just need to give up already.

>>69975240
Why? Iron Maiden just seems to be having fun and they obviously know their past their prime but they're following their passions.

>>69974059
The Japanese absolutely love Judas Priest fwiw.

>>69975537
Metal is a very visual form of music and Japan is a very visual culture.

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>>69975598
And...they love their...fantasy epics.

>>69975240
Megadeth need to give up desu.

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>>69964098
while i might not be a huge fan of bands any more i still respect their impact on thee the genre

with iron maiden and judas priest bringing more melody and storytelling to the table
and black sabbath inspiring like 8 different sub genres

>>69964098
If they do, they're simply not real fans of Metal. It is a genre that pays homage to it's "gods", instead of dismissing or insulting them.

>>69976334
>rappers don't venerate NWA and Tupac

I would say it's understandable not to be a fan of heavy metal, as in that specific genre of metal music, but I don't think the vast majority of self-proclaimed metal fans look down on those bands.

By the way, how is dadrock an insult? One would assume dads are objectively better than teenagers/young adults.

>>69976387
What the fuck does rap have to do with what I said or with the thread?

>>69976396
hipsters came up with it

>>69976421
Didn't you hear? It's 2016. Rap is the most influential genre

>>69976387
yeah...but rap is kind of more spur of the moment topical stuff, it doesn't age as well and it's kind of designed to be disposable. I mean, nobody in 50 years is going to want to listen to diss tracks directed at some obscure rapper nobody remembers anymore or 9/11 references or things like that.

>>69976443
Influential to whom/what?

On second thought, nevermind. You're a trend-follower.

>>69976427
And people care about hipsters why, exactly? I'm not american, so that subculture didn't root here properly to become more than a flash in the pan.

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>>69976471
You can sort of liken rap to a SNL skit set to a beat. It doesn't age as well as the generally more abstract, indirect lyrics of most metal.

>>69976497
To pop culture

>>69976665
This probably has something to do with the age group of listeners. I imagine, on the whole, listeners of rock are much older than listeners of rap

>>69976650
That doesn't really affects me, in particular, meaning it is irrelevant (to me/my world).

>>69976665
To be fair, >>69976705 and the fact the nigga nigga nigga money weed bitches "sung" by a 40 year old is even more ridiculous and pathetic than by a 20 year old.

>>69976705
Huh?

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>>69976745
*whispers* He's saying Millenials don't listen to rawk and it's just aging Gen Xers.

>>69976761
I don't understand why you're trying to turn this into a musical generational conflict. I mean, are you that desperate for a hard loss?

>>69976804
I was just replying to >>69976665
Relax.

>>69976761
If you take "rock" to mean 80s buttrock or something. However, rap is almost 40 years old and nobody on the fucking planet still gives a shit about LL Cool J or Slick Rick.

>>69976815
He deleted it.

>>69976815
The guy deleted his post, nobody even knows what you were replying to.

>>69976818
What do you think "rawk" is but shorthand for AC/DC-style stadium buttrock. Obviously 15 year olds of today don't listen to that shit.

Rock never died, but phony commercialized stadium pop rock did. The real stuff's always been underground. It was in 1976, 1986, 1996, 2006, and 2016.

>>69976896
Yeah...but that's overwhelmingly what 45 year olds with a mullet and beer gut mean when they talk about the good old days of rawk.

>>69976866
Who cares about rawk, buttrock, dadrock and other meaningless buzzwords thrown around by faggots? There's plenty of music to go around, there's no need to insult other people's likes just because you're a suburban white kid who wants to draw attention.

>>69976959
Doesn't matter. Normalfags always listened to mainstream pop rock. That doesn't mean it was where all the creativity was happening back in the day, just that that music was a carefully diluted cocktail of real innovative bands in the underground scenes.

>>69964098
Naw anon, good music like that has no expiration date. These bands are widely respected by metal fans everywhere. If anything, it's the newer metal bands which get all the unwarranted hate.

>>69977033
I told you, metal declined because they forgot how to have any pop sensibility or write hooks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Vynew5mrw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrzdj6KSRXE

Which song do you think is more fun/listenable?

>>69976981

you can't tell me with a straight face pink floyd wasn't creative. It's an objectively GOAT-tier band that was also highly critically acclaimed at the time. You can't argue they're not

>>69977066
How much radio play did Pink Floyd get back in the da...oh wait, the only rock that got on the radio in the 70s was trash like Doobie Brothers and REO Speedwagon.

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>>69964098
generally the only metal fans you'll see shitting on classic bands are new kids who got directly into extreme metal through the internet. they usually grow out of it though once they leave the kvlter than thou phase.

also Hatebreed fucking rules. pic-related is a ridiculously memorable and quotable album.

>>69977120
Is this true? I always thought Pink Floyd was mainstream by the time TDSotM came out

>>69977120

are you kidding? that shits on the radio 24/7. Literally can't turn the nob in my car without zipping past at least 2 of their songs

>>69977065
Hatebreed are a good example of everything generally detested about metal since the late 90s. I was in high school during the height of nu metal, so I can't be accused of dadrocker nostalgia the way some 50 year old might be about AC/DC. The old stuff is just more fun and musical in every metric.

pink floyd became mainstream during the wall

>>69977198
Are we talking about listening to CRR in 2016 or are we talking about listening to your local AM station in 1976?

>>69977198
anon is talking about the 70s, not today, autist

>>69977205
Yeah and they were already past their peak and trying to adapt to punk by going more pop rock the way Genesis did. Prime Pink Floyd was not played on the radio at all, you only heard bands like the Doobie Brothers back then.

>>69977205
>they sold 50 million copies of dsotm without being mainstream
yeah sure

>>69977200
Nu metal might have been more bearable if it didn't coincide with the era of brickwalling.

>>69977251
Back in the day, you had to buy the physical album to hear a band. There was no iTunes in 1976. Derp.

>>69977224

why would the 70's be different if that's the decade when they were getting popular, retard?

are you saying nirvana gets more play now then in the 90's? Because I can tell you right now you're wrong if that's the route you want to go.

there's no reason to think it would be different 40 years ago

>>69977142
>also Hatebreed fucking rules. pic-related is a ridiculously memorable and quotable album.

That's the kind of band that would be fun to see live, but you wouldn't want to listen to Supremacy while doing the dishes.

>>69977272
and? who sold more than them? Zeppelin yeah, but not the fucking doobie brothers and reo speedwagon. Pink Floyd was mainstream.

>>69977341
Zeppelin have more platinum records however their catalog has been a steady seller for decades. Radio rock bands like Doobie Brothers sold most of their albums in the 70s, but after falling out of commercial relevance, barely anything.

And again, Zeppelin were not played much, if at all on the radio back then.

To be perfectly honest, there wasn't a true underground rock scene before the punk era. By the 80s, rock had diversified into scenes, however this was not a thing yet in Led Zeppelin's day.

>>69977429
It was coming inevitably after rock got commercialized and turned into buttrock which began around 1972-73.

>>69977406
>mainstream (comparative more mainstream, superlative most mainstream)
>Used or accepted broadly rather than by small portions of a population or market.

you can be mainstream without being played on the radio. If 10s of millions buy your records and go to your concert you are most definitely mainstream. Not to mention that album oriented radio stations were big in the 70s.

>>69977571
The Doobie Brothers were kind of the trailblazers for buttrock, terribly commercialized radio-friendly vacuous sludge aimed at women.

>>69977583
Mainstream, however is not synonym of bad, no matter what faggots say.

>>69977571
What the fuck does buttrock even mean?

>>69977673
i never said it was. Led Zeppelin is literally my favorite band.

>>69977673
Vacuous commercial pop rock relying on cliches.

radio made good classic songs/bands into dadrock

>>69977657
After them came Styx, Kansas, REO Speedwagon, Journey, and some others I forget. Frank Zappa complained how for a while, those were the only rock groups that could get on the radio.

>>69977711
But why rock, specifically, though? I hear that more in Pop, Hip-hop, the kind of music that plays in clubs, radio, etc

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"The record industry has always worked the same way, or I should say it did work the same way since there's no record industry anymore. But you know what I mean...back when there was a record industry. Any time some new, cutting edge band comes along like a Twisted Sister or a Nirvana that makes people go 'Whoa, who's that?', the record industry takes them, studies them, and figures out how they can market them. So it worked like this. Bands would have two kinds of songs--the power ballad, which was for radio play, and the rock track for cred purposes, which was only going to be played on rock radio. But eventually, they decided 'Let's do away with the cred track and make albums with only power ballads.' Then it got even worse because MTV starts going 'If you don't do an acoustic set, you're not a serious band.' So now they drop the electric guitars entirely and you end up with a bunch of idiots on bar stools strumming acoustic guitars like a fucking folk band."

>>69977795
In the modern age, sure, but in the 70s the AM stations were flooded with shit like "China Grove".

>>69964098
No.

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>>69977777
What music do the lucky 7s bring?

>>69977867
Ah, ok. You're talking, in context, about that 70's-ish flood of corporate bands made only to cash-in.

>>69977909
Yes, it was diluted rock made for the radio and especially women since they're generally more casual music listeners who like mellower music and favor singles over albums.