http://www.scaruffi.com/cdreview/ne w.html

>>69919540
Every year I hope that the 10 will come.
The 10 never comes.

damn i thought blackstar had a chance of making him accept bowie was a good artist

le opinions man

>blackstar
>4/10

lmao

>>69919540
Are these ratings correct?

>>69919555
never gonna happen
he's probably too jaded to ever even seriously consider giving anything else a 9 past the last one

it's a little known fact that he a room filled with opinions that he never released

>>69919648
someday he'll die and they'll crack open the vault
then /mu/ will be truly enlightened

what's his highest rated album?

>>69919682
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiorncOFpcg
this
you're not ready yet

imagine taking years to write only a handful of shallow three-sentence thoughts with typos on albums and having a board of lonely nerds heralding your opinion as gospel

>>69919574

He has the taste of an Italian baby boomer.

People confuse his fickleness for patrician knowledge but he's really just into late-60s - early-70s rock and nothing else really compares.

His list of best new wave is hilarious. It's mostly late-era punk rock. There is a difference.

His recommended Italian shit is good though:
http://www.scaruffi.com/history/italian.html#best

Finally, /mu/ will realize that Scaruffi is very prejudiced, and also dull to the fact that visual or contextual cues can enhance an auditory experience above and beyond a shallow viewpoint. I've always disliked how he looks at art, like products made to be sold to "educated" people. Hopefully his foolish and poor writing will fade away from this board.

I don't LOVE Blackstar, but his opinion Is very uneducated and brief. He's obviously a spokesperson for the buzz-word business, and in fact might be an adored resident on any blog full of teenagers.

Also, calling Bowie pathetic is quite ignorant. I picture a petulant child screaming through a microphone at a man who cannot possibly do anything about it. What a waste of print his career has been.

>>69919812
Makes me ashamed to love so many albums that he loves, but that's how it goes I suppose.

why do people like him when Christgau exists?

>>69919837
I don't know why

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>>69919731

>>69919567
he was right though

>>69919567

Yeah it's closer to a 3 or a 2. Don't know why he loves Bowie so much.

>The radical right-wing media (Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, etc) were very efficient in demonizing Hillary Clinton (See this article on the lengthy campaign to demonize her). Her approval rating was actually quite high when she was secretary of state. The moment it became obvious that she was going to run for president the radical right-wing media started a coordinated campaign to demonize her that resulted in record-low approval ratings. Ten years from now people will not even be able to explain what the problem was with her email server and what exactly was the big deal with the Benghazi attack that killed four people. Ten years from now people will find it very difficult to articulate why they opposed her so strongly. The radical right-wing media have perfected the strategy of subliminal brain conditioning.

>>69919731
>a handful of shallow three-sentence thoughts with typos on albums
No, you're thinking of Christgau.

>>69919932
I wish Scaruffi weren't so liberal. He actually thinks that Stalin was a perpetrator of genocide and, from this passage, apparently finds no fault in Hillary Clinton, quite possibly the shittiest human being alive.

>>69919945
Christgau isn't shallow though, he can perfectly express his strong opinions with those few sentences.

>>69919932
His political opinions are retarded. But he did criticize the Democrats and their actions over the past year quite a bit as well

>>69919969
I give this comment three smiley faces out of five. B-

>>69919966
>all that propaganda

mmmm

scaruffi as usual triggering retards

>>69919980
which is what most criticism is anyway, it all comes down to 2 burritos out of 5 or whatever. If you're looking for longer essays that analyze a musician/musicians more in depth, he's written lots of those.

>>69919988
>it's propaganda to realize that Hillary Clinton is a godawful person and a shitty candidate even without the right-wing media's help
Scaruffi has good taste in music, but he is politically retarded.

>>69919837

Christgau often has a terrible taste, that's why.

>>69919567

he might be wrong, but he is still less wrong than those who rated blackstar 8, 9 or 10/10.

>>69919741
>giardini di mirò

my nigga

>>69919837
christgau gave vampire weekend an a+ and spiderland a c+

>>69920542

He also gave A- to fucking Soulja Boy.

>>69920556
funny how a grandpa in his seventies understands the intent of soulja boy yet a board full of people most probably close to twenty-five don't

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>no painting with

WTF bros he was supposed to pan it!

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>>69920604
>christgayfags will defend this

did david bowie molest him or something?

>>69919837
Defend this shit
http://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=6450&name=Nicki+Minaj
http://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?name=king+crimson
I challenge you

>>69919741
>His list of best new wave

Pere Ubu: Modern Dance (Blank)
Suicide: self-titled (Bronze)
Pop Group: Y (Radar)
Residents: Meet the Residents (Ralph)
Chrome: Half Machine Lips Move (Siren)
Television: Marquee Moon (Elektra)
Feelies: Crazy Rhythms (Stiff)
Patti Smith: Radio Ethiopia (Arista)
Talking Heads: More Songs About Building And Food (Sire)
Devo: Are We Not Men (WB)
Richard Hell: Blank Generation (Stiff)
This Heat: self-titled (Piano)
XTC: White Music (Virgin)
Cars: I (Elektra)

huh

>>69919555
he will die before another 9 comes

>>69919966
>He actually thinks that Stalin was a perpetrator of genocide
>implying he fucking wasn't
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

>>69919540
why does anyone care what he thinks?

>>69919895
>>69919927
>>69920131
Kys

>>69920825
wtf I love christgau now

>>69921538
what was the last one again

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>>69919540
>A Moon Shaped Pool
>pop

>Angel Guts - Red Classroom
>alt-rock

>>69919966
>apparently finds no fault in Hillary Clinton
http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/usa16.html#usa0516
Scroll down to "Democracy's Apocalypse".

>>69920992
>in the court of the crimson king D-
man this guy sucks way more than scaruffi

>>69920825
>actually thinking anyone likes christgau
It's just him shilling himself and shitposters apeing him.

>>69922378
Hash Jar Tempo - Well Oiled (1997)

>>69920825
>Back when I was a young feller, we called these things hootenannies, only we thought they needed songs
What does any of this shit mean?

>>69922534
It's avant-garde reviewing man.

>>69922534
Christgau is so pretentious he goes full circle and ends up criticizing experimental music and praising popular music

>>69919567
>As usual with Bowie, Blackstar (RCA, 2016), produced again by Tony Visconti,, is mostly image and very little about the music. The ten-minute Blackstar, that was supposed to be the centerpiece, is little more than a funereal litany a` la Doors with jazz horns that goes on five minutes too many. Bowie crooning melodramatic in Lazarus (from his Broadway musical about an alien who falls in love) or romantic in Dollar Days is either delirious and pathetic, certainly not entertaining. His tedious voice interferes with the driving jazz jam of 'Tis a Pity She Was a Whore and with the frenzied and tense Sue (a 2014 single). Even when the voice is not a distraction, the rest is hardly intriguing: I Can't Give Everything Away boasts an awful distorted guitar against syncopated beats and layers of electronic drones: not exactly genius. This is trivial "music" that any amateur could make, except that most amateurs would be ashamed to release it.

>Bowie died of cancer in january 2016.

>>69920825
i always thought they were just some snazzy pomo neocommunalist joke band, glad to see someone agrees

>>69920825
animal collective is terrible, so yeah easy to defend this

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Scruff on Kendrick
>an artist who lacks the visceral energy of Public Enemy and Tackhead while also lacking the poetic depth of Kanye West and the musical genius of El-P.
>poetic depth of Kanye West
I thought TPAB was overrated and Kanye is one of my favourite artists but this made me chuckle. Although I do agree to some extent with the other points.

to pimp a butterfly 6/10

kek

>>69919932
Imagine being this deluded.

>>69919700
this is good?? it sounds like the timing is wrong....

Oh my fuck did he shit on Divers hahahahahaha

>>69923366
pleb

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>>69923427
u just memed yourself into liking literal shit because other ppl said it was good

KENDRICK LAMAR BTFO

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>>69919700
What the fuck is that

>>69923447
I've enjoyed it before I came on /mu/ or heard of Scaruffi. I bet you memed yourself into disliking it.

>>69923366
>>69923498
>being this new

>>69922937
>poetic depth of Kanye
>Kanye
>poetic depth
Lmao. I do agree about the genius of El-P bit considering the guy's pre-RTJ work. Not sure about the Public Enemy comparison; I feel that Kendrick's artistic highs (like the track 'u' on TPAB) outdoes PE on the visceral end, but on average he doesn't, but there's also the production of PE's stuff which hasn't aged all that well.

>>69923513
honestly jesus

>>69923253
Yeah, it deserves lower

>>69923513
>he pretends to enjoy this pile of shit album because other people say it's good

>>69923513
Seriously

>>69923541
I didn't say it was good or bad, only that you'd have to be a complete newfag to never have seen it posted on /mu/ before

>>69922718
>This is trivial "music" that any amateur could make, except that most amateurs would be ashamed to release it.

>Bowie died of cancer in january 2016.

fucking savage

>>69922937
Came here to post about this. I don't even care about the album - but Kanye's "poetic depth"? and then he also describes the silly "god is hobo" story as brilliant. What a pleb he has become.

>>69922534
not even a big fan of anco but any critic that puts "they didn't write actual songs" as a criticism is terrible at their supposed job

what score will he give the most important and innovative hip hop record to come out ever

>>69919812
>his opinion Is very uneducated
Nobody on this board, and I mean nobody, no a single kid in his 20s, has the authority to claim that.

>>69924798
He is though. You can dissect most of his statements with a little bit of googling. Not to mention that a lot of the music he considers good (his top 3 for example) is droned by every other Italian critic out there, too. His taste in terms of what he finds to be good music isn't original at all; the fun novelty value comes from his irrational dislike of more mainstream records that have achieved massive critical acclaim (which most of the Italian critics he drones off of actually like.)

>>69923513
>Falling for a bait that obvious

When will he review Terminal Redux

>he actually liked meme shaped pool
what a fucking hack

>>69924982
I agree, Trout Mask says everything.. Faust..

>>69921178
wow lol

6/10 is accurate for TPaB, there was just too much filler in the second half in my opinion

>>69919812
All these words yet not a single decent criticism.
Scruffy 1 x 0 you

Does he like Bowie's classic stuff?

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>>69925332
see for yourself my dude

>>69925387
Weird that he rates some of his later stuff higher then some of his best early albums.

>>69925387
seems acurate desu

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>>69925472
bowie sucked dick (literally and figuratively)

>>69925387
accurate scores
heroes is bowies best hands down

>>69925489
So does your mom (literally and figuratively)

wtf I hate blackstar now

>>69925510
bowie fans really have strong argumentation

>>69925489
>>69925489
kek

>>69925387
What the fuck is good about Earthling?

bowie fans should check out Last Christmas by George Michael, he is talking about his death there, super meta concept, I'm feeling a strong 9 on this one

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>>69925532
>>69925489
So does you

>>69924798
Oh what instrument does he play?

>>69919555

10 is given to the best rock album ever, and that album is Trout Mask Replica. Yeah it's still rated a 9.5 but unofficially it's a 10 on the scaruffi meter.

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>>69925387
mfw when i also think earthling is his best album since the 70s

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>>69919540

>>69925761
fuck off TSUposter

>>69926183
kill yourself messi cuck

>>69919932
this is true, though

>>69923253
HAHAHAHA BTFO

>Divers
>6/10
it's over, lads

>>69922229
>implying the Holodomor isn't a Nazi hoax
You're a funny guy, Anon.

why do people not like/understand TMR? it's literally just blues played by weird ass white people

>>69927206
it's actually 6.5

>>69919540
>Ratings: 10=best album ever; 9=rock masterpiece; 8=buy it now; 7=buy it eventually; 6=buy it if you are a fan

lol you won't tell me what to do scruffy

I told you faggots GKMC was better than TPAB.

>>69919741
>he's really just into late-60s - early-70s rock
He has tons of 80's and 90's 8 and 9's, dummy.

>>69927411
who are you talking about when you say "people"

>>69919540
le 6/10 man

>>69919540
He obviously doesn't buy into hype. I respect him here.

>>69928973
>implying scaruffi's opinions matter

>>69929149

They matter more than anyone on /mu/'s.

>>69920992
fucks sake this makes me want to kms

>>69929197
lmao

>>69929197
have you read his reviews? the man is a joke.

>>69929197
No they don't

>>69929334
but more people take them seriously which is the same thing.

>>69929351
>but more people take them seriously
because they know even less about music than Scaruffi
>which is the same thing
nope

>>69919567
>"music" in quotations
Kek'd

>>69922937
College Dropout is Dylan-level poeticism

>>69929351
>>69929314
>>69929303

Show us some of your reviews.

>>69929525
so his opinions are worth more because he writes them down?
are you retarded?

>>69929556

Yes? How can your opinion be worth anything if it's not available for other people to read?

People don't walk up to random people on the street and say "Hey, what's your opinion on this album?"

They google album reviews or read magazines and stuff like that.

Just because you THINK you know more about a man who has been writing and researching music for likely longer than you have been alive doesn't mean anyone is gonna believe you if you can't even write your fucking opinions down.

>>69929967
>People don't walk up to random people on the street and say "Hey, what's your opinion on this album?"
what? people in this board do this all the time. most people discuss music with friends as well (even Scaruffi himself does this for fucks sake). not many people care about critics, you know
>Just because you THINK you know more about a man who has been writing and researching music for likely longer than you have been alive doesn't mean anyone is gonna believe you if you can't even write your fucking opinions down.
>he's old and has a website so his opinion is important
no

>>69929525
Show us some of your music

>>69929525
In the Aeroplane over the Sea 9/10
Windy and Carl - Drawing of Sound 8/10
The Gerogerigegege - Instrument Disorder 8/10

>>69930118

How is my music relevant to your critiquing ability? Surely if you are more educated than Scaruffi you could whip up a few paragraphs about an album you've listened to already a few times? Whether MY music is bad or good has no bearing on your skill in writing. We are not talking about bad versus good music, we are talking about bad versus good critique.

>>69930217
>How is my music relevant to your critiquing ability?
Are you asking how knowledge of making music is valuable to understanding and critiquing it?
>Surely if you are more educated than Scaruffi
Well, what instruments does he play? How long has he been studying music?

i actually like his kendrick review

>The political correctedness on Islam started with George W Bush, who kept insisting that Islam is "a religion of peace" hijacked by evil terrorists. It doesn't take a PhD in history to find out that Islam was founded by a warrior who personally killed a lot of people (besides marrying a child) and that Islam was founded with a war and that the whole point of that war was to expel all other religions. I very much appreciate the vast majority of Muslims who are peaceful and tolerant (more peaceful than US citizens who murder each other at the tune of 20,000 murders every year), but we can hardly credit Islam with making them peaceful and tolerant. I admire them for being peaceful "despite" Islam, not because of Islam. Calling Islam what it is (a violent, racist and intolerant ideology) may not solve the many problems of the Islamic world but at least it wouldn't insult our intelligence.

What did he mean by this?

>>69930078

>>he's old and has a website so his opinion is important

it's not that he's old, it's that he has been, as I said, RESEARCHING and WRITING about music for nearly 50 years. I'm going to take a wild guess and say you yourself are probably somewhere between the age of 16-25, and have listened to maybe a couple thousand albums in your life, if even that. But you think you know more than a man who has a top 900 list of jazz albums in addition to nearly 10,000 popular music album reviews and dozens of lists of hundreds of best of classical pieces.

>>69930256

>what instruments does he play?

Why does that matter? He writes about what he hears. Do you read his reviews? You do not need a knowledge of any particular instrument to be able to critique music in general. I get what you are saying but if we follow your logic, in order for Scaruffi's opinions on all of the music he has reviewed to be "valid", he would have to play dozens upon dozens of instruments, and have experiences in all kinds of bands and orchestras.

And if you take it even further, why not just say that in order to critique an album or piece you have to be able to entirely recompose it yourself? You see what I mean? Your line of thinking makes no sense.

If you had said something like "he should be able to play saxophone to judge saxophone playing" I guess that would make more sense, but what good is saxophone ability when trying to critique a rock band (assuming the rock band doesn't use sax)? You're acting like playing a single instrument suddenly gives you this IMMENSE knowledge on EVERY kind of music which is imply not true.

>>69930331
Based Scruff

>>69930386
Jesus Christ who cares, do something better with your time rather than writing essays arguing about something pointless with some retard on 4chan.

>>69930386
>Why does that matter?
Are you asking how knowledge of making music is valuable to understanding and critiquing it?
>He writes about what he hears
If I wrote about a language I didn't know--let';s say, Portuguese--would you think my thoughts on it are more valid than someone who actually knows Portuguese?
>I get what you are saying but if we follow your logic, in order for Scaruffi's opinions on all of the music he has reviewed to be "valid", he would have to play dozens upon dozens of instruments, and have experiences in all kinds of bands and orchestras.
So?
>why not just say that in order to critique an album or piece you have to be able to entirely recompose it yourself?
And?
>I guess that would make more sense, but what good is saxophone ability when trying to critique a rock band (assuming the rock band doesn't use sax)?
By this logic, what good is knowing about jazz and classical when trying to critique a rock/pop band?
>You're acting like playing a single instrument suddenly gives you this IMMENSE knowledge on EVERY kind of music which is imply not true.
You're acting like the fact that he wrote about something suddenly gives him this IMMENSE knowledge on EVERY kind of music which is imply not true.

>>69930423

I'm literally listening to music right now.

>>69930467

>Are you asking how knowledge of making music is valuable to understanding and critiquing it?

knowledge of making music does not necessarily mean knowledge of playing an instrument, also Scaruffi is not critiquing how the music is made, he is critiquing the end result.

>If I wrote about a language I didn't know--let';s say, Portuguese--would you think my thoughts on it are more valid than someone who actually knows Portuguese?

false equivalency, that is like saying a critic can't be a critic of music if they are deaf (which is true but still)

>So?
>And?

not an argument

>By this logic, what good is knowing about jazz and classical when trying to critique a rock/pop band?

that's exactly what I'm saying

>>69930467

>You're acting like the fact that he wrote about something suddenly gives him this IMMENSE knowledge on EVERY kind of music which is imply not true.

it is also the fact that he has been researching it for just as long, retard. lrn2read

>>69930563
>knowledge of making music does not necessarily mean knowledge of playing an instrument
Why not?
>also Scaruffi is not critiquing how the music is made, he is critiquing the end result.
How music is made will effect the end result, so this is misdirection
>that is like saying a critic can't be a critic of music if they are deaf
They can, but will they be a good one?

Answer my question without misdirection
>not an argument
Answer the question.
>that's exactly what I'm saying
So you are saying Scruffy is not qualified to discuss rock/pop.
>it is also the fact that he has been researching it for just as long
Oh how long has he been studying Music Theory?

>>69923366
>When you come on /mu/ for the first time
>When you can't music af
But yo you're right not liking this album or the music on this board. Leave now before you get sucked into the memeing and start liking music no one should

>>69923559
or only visit this heaping pile of shit you call a board (or rather in recent years) every couple of months

>>69922718
Cracks me up every time holy shit

why does he even listen to music, if he doesn't enjoy any of it

>>69930660

>muh instruments
>muh theory

not him but please fuck off

>Denigrate the office of the presidency: a man who became president after losing the popular vote, and doesn't have the dignity to resign, deserves no respect from us. Wear tshirts that say "Lock him up!" and "Ban trumps from the USA".

Maybe Scaruffi isn't so bad.

Ratings: 10=best album ever; 9=rock masterpiece; 8=buy it now; 7=buy it eventually; 6=buy it if you are a fan

>>69931695
fake and gay

>>69931695
>>Denigrate the office of the presidency: a man who became president after losing the popular vote, and doesn't have the dignity to resign, deserves no respect from us. Wear tshirts that say "Lock him up!" and "Ban trumps from the USA".

>Maybe Scaruffi isn't so bad.

fuck off back to /b/

>>69931830
fuck off back to /pol/

>>69931922
fuck off back to /mlp/

>>69919741
but late 70's era punk IS the new wave

are there people who unironically take him seriously

>>69920825
:'( he doesnt like my patrisian band

>>69929110
plebs

>>69923559
ehheh he a nwefag xD WHAT A...LOSER!

>>69931749
Scaruffi likes a lot of albums then haha

>>69931360
>>muh theory
What are you even doing here

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>>69919540
ye the tortoise album wasn't great

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>The symphonic crescendo Time As a Symptom is emblematic of what can happen when a singer-songwriter mis-interprets the word "music"

I loved Time :(

I thought his Divers review was overly harsh but I suppose there are some fair points to be made. Maybe he's just disappointed because of her enormous potential

>>69920003
>He can perfectly express his strong opinions with those few sentences
Convenient amnesia.

>>69932688
>using that emoticon ironically or unironically in any situation

>>69930331
>(besides marrying a child)
>scruffles condemning pedophilia

>>69919812
Damn son, you sound hurt my dude.

>>69923801
He only really used How Much... as an example of Kendrick's strongest writing style, which is true. Sing About Me was written in the same narrative/story-like vein, and that shit is fire.

And Kanye is no poetic genius in the sense of longevity, but the guy did write a slew of "damn..." worthy lyrics (Heard 'em Say, All Falls Down, Diamonds from Sierra Leone, Spaceship, etc.).

>>69919812

>how he looks at art, like products made to be sold to "educated" people.

that's the exact kind of mindset that Scaruffi is AGAINST, dweeb.

this is the problem, people read the little meme snippets of Scaruffi that rile everyone up but don't take the time to actually read read him and realize that even though he is crazy, in a lot of ways he's really smart.

but no every time it's just "WHY DOES HE WANT TO MARRY A CHILD XDD", "HURR HE'S A STUPID LIBERAL", "[Beatles copypasta]", "HOW COULD HE GIVE THIS A x AND THIS A x?????"

>>69922718
i would like to see him making music

>>69934839

you just know these posts are made by triggered failed musicians whose biggest influences are the artists Scaruffi is shitting on.

>>69934867
bowie isn't even a influence on what i make, but blackstar was a good album, and that guy can't even play an instrument

>>69920542
good, spiderland is trash music for asocial autists

>>69930828
Just because you don't give every album you enjoy an automatic 10/10 best album ever made doesn't mean you hate it.

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>>69922718

>"music"
he must be baiting at this point

>>69923513
>>69923529
>>69923541
>>69923548
>>69925065
>pretending to falling on bait

>>69934867
Tell me about your music anon