name a more overrated album of this decade protip: you can't

>>69851546
Lemona... oh shit you're right

>>69851546
It literally deserves all the praise it gets. Are you deaf?

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Try me, fucker.

>>69851603
>LITERALLY

>>69851623
Non argument

>>69851603
it's only praised for non musical aspects like lyrics and his death connected with the lyrics

>>69851706
>it's only praised for non musical aspects like lyrics
Lyrics are half of a song. it's very important
>his death
Oh you mean the concept of the album is not important when discussing it?

>>69851715
the lyrics are not really important since it's literally not music
the concept is cool, but it's also not music

my beautiful dark twisted fantasy, channel orange, good kid mad city, anything by death grips, run the jewels 1/2.

literally any album considered "/mu/core" from this decade, DG especially

>>69851746
>the music
Not relevant. See >>69851715

Lyrics are half of songs. That would explain why you think it's over-rated: because you are not properly listening/judging the art in the first place

>>69851546
Is hating this album a meme now?

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>>69851746
>it's literally not music
oh boy it's a big one

>>69851610
i gotta go with this desu... this album was mediocre at best

>>69851784
>Lyrics are half of songs
wrong
a song can exist without lyrics even if it has vocals, you can even make a concept album without lyrics

>you are not properly listening/judging the art in the first place
i liked some lines, but even lyrically overall this album is not something that deserves to be praised this much

MBDTF
Public Strain
Flockaveli
Have One on Me
Teen Dream
Let England Shake
Ravedeath 1972
Helplessness Blues
Section 80
Black Up
Bon Iver Bon Iver
Replica
Twin Fantasy
Giles Corey
The Money Store
The Seer
Good Kid MAAD City
Lonerism
Bloom
Channel Orange
Mista Thug Isolation
Virgins
Run the Jewels
Sunbather
Modern Vampires of the City
Loud City Song
m b v
R Plus Seven
RTJ 2
To Be Kind
Black Messiah
Pinata
Benji
The Satanist
Pom Pom
St. Vincent
Divers
TPAB
Carrie and Lowell
The Epic
EMOTION
Hamilton
Summertime 06
A Moon Shaped Pool
Atrocity Exhibition
We got it from Here
The Glowing Man
Blonde
elseq
Wildflower
Bottomless Pit
Malibu
Imperial

>>69851797
he's right though retard, do you think a retarded wizard in the forest scraping chimney is music too? define music you fucking faggot

>>69851797
>implying text is music
>not vocals that perform this text

sure you're smart

>>69851833
>a retarded wizard in the forest scraping chimney
Literally the best release of 2016, kill yourself if you haven't heard it. Also music is just like anything. It's pre much undefinable at this stage.

>>69851840
ikr fucking retards would literally believe retarded wizard in the woods scraping chimney is music too!

>>69851826
hey these are all the best albums take that back!

>>69851824
>a song can exist without lyrics
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/song
>a : a short musical composition of words and musicb : a collection of such compositions
>a : a melody for a lyric poem or balladb : a poem easily set to music
It is the literal definition. If it had no lyrics, it wouldn't be a song, it woudl be instrumental music.

You clearly haven't copyrighted any of your own songs before, have you?
>i liked...
Not relevant

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>>69851868
>he hasn't heard retarded wizard in the woods scraping chimney yet
>still considers himself a fan of music
keeek

>>69851833
>>69851868
>do you think a retarded wizard in the forest scraping chimney is music too?
Why wouldn't it be? Do you think modern art isn't really art?

You should cease discussing music immediately

>>69851876
shut the fuck up you dolt you probably think retarded wizard in the woods scraping chimney is music!!!

>>69851910
because there is no implication that the artist considers it to be music retard, if you know anything you would know what defines "art" is the intention of whoever creates it, dipshit

>>69851913
Why wouldn't it be?

>>69851876
this definition is not relevant, you can perform gibberish, and put it on your album, and it's still song, it's still music
lyrics are literally not important to make music with your vocals

>>69851932
>if you know anything you would know what defines "art" is the intention of whoever creates it
Literally not true, that's only one of several ways to look at a piece of art

>>69851936
>>69851932
^read this shit for brains

>>69851932
>because there is no implication that the artist considers it to be music retard
Nice backpedaling
>>69851954
>The meaning of words is not relevant but lets discuss them anyways
You are smart!
>and it's still song, it's still music
50% music.
>lyrics are literally not important to make music with your vocals
But f the artist intended them to be there, who are you to ignore that?
>>69851974
Backpedaling

>>69851961
so in other words if someone coughs you consider them a musician? you DUMB retard

>>69851993
how is it backpedaling you dip? I was explaining why without any prior knowledge of an artist's intention you cannot call something "Art"

>>69851996
It's just shit music

>>69852013
you still would consider them to be a musician, though? sure any sound CAN be music that doesn't mean it IS music until you know the intention of whoever created it. I wouldn't call them a "shit musician" for coughing until they release it as an album kiddo

>>69852008
>>69851993
>artist intended
>artist intention.

Ho boy. Let's just clear this up right now. The value of art depends on the values of the art critic. Most art is born as imitation, not innovation. The critic, not the artist, is the one who defines innovation and rates it, and because of this the artist is merely a vehicle for the aesthetic/ideology of the critic.

The critic is the real artist. To argue "artist intent" is pointless because the "artist" is irrelevant.

>>69852008
>how is it backpedaling you dip?
Because that wasn't initially a part of the scenario. The man's intentions were not specified.

Because it's equally as possible he intended it as music.

>>69852061
g2b pierro

>>69851993
>The meaning of words is not relevant but lets discuss them anyways
>implying that's what i said
you're smarter than me that's for sure
the meaning of lyrics is literally not music, blackstar is praised for the meaning, not for the compositions of the songs, which are nothing new even in david bowie's discography (except for the complex title track, but this shtick was used even by beyonce)

>50% music.
there're usually lots of other thing in music, even on that album there are lots of instrument
That would explain why you think it deserves all the praise it gets: because you are not properly listening/judging the music as an art form in the first place

>But f the artist intended them to be there, who are you to ignore that?
there's nothing wrong with discussing lyrics, but praising music for not a musical aspect is not good

>>69852063
if you think that there is a 50% possibility that a retarded kid is trying to make music when he scrapes a chimney I think we know who the real retard is here

>>69852049
But Bowie did release an album and his lyrics are part of that album. His intention was certainly to create music.

Also with the cough thing, I would certainly consider something music if it was only performed but never released as an album. If we accept that the audience has a say in what is and isn't art, then it's the audiences right to decide what is and isn't a performance too. Hey ho, someone coughing in the street is producing sweet sweet music for you, free of charge.

>>69852132
in the wise words of fat albert "hey, hey, hey, you're gay" fuck off with this crikey shit thing head. I know you have a spiff for retarded wizards scraping chimneys of whatever bullshit you wank to well I don't (and neither does majority of residents on christmas island, a-hole!) so fuck off and shit a brick

>>69852094
>you're smarter than me that's for sure
ikr
>>69852094
>the meaning of lyrics is literally not music
But that irrelevant since the album Blackstar consists of SONGS, which is 50% music, 50% lyrics. if you choose to pretend the lyrics aren't there, or just listen to the music, you are missing half of the art
>there're usually lots of other thing in music
That's nice
>That would explain why you think it deserves all the praise it gets: because you are not properly listening/judging the music as an art form in the first place
No I am also judging the high quality musicianship and production and arrangement and performance. What's the reason you ignored all of this?
>there's nothing wrong with discussing lyrics, but praising music for not a musical aspect is not good
We are praising the songs, which includes both music and lyrics.
>>69852100
Yes, mathematically speaking it is 50% possible.

>>69852177
show me the mathematical equation that determines probability of artistic intention pls

>>69852162
oh hey man. looks like you got me

>he still hasn't listened to retarded wizards scraping chimneys of whatever bullshit you wank
>he thinks he's welcome on a music discussion board

>>69851993
This is /mu/ for /music/, not /mu/ for /art/ or /songs/

It's supposed to be a place to discuss the music, not the whole package

I mean you can also argue that the album cover is part of the album as much as the lyrics (they say an image says more than a thousand words). But that would not be exactly what this board is for.

t. not the guy you were replying to before

>>69852177
>What's the reason you ignored all of this?
can you read? i said in my previous post that i don't ignore them, there's just nothing to praise about it

>We are praising the songs, which includes both music and lyrics.
you're praising mostly lyrics, because outside of it this album is a dull throback that only people who've listened to lack of music in their lives (including bowie's discography) can praise

I mean, it's not bad, but my point is that it's not something that deserves to be praised this much
Even if I agree with you about your point that lyrics are 50% of music, that somewhat interesting lyrics are not enough for an album to deserve all this praise

ITT: butthurt classicfags

>>69852291
i don't know who are you talking about
bowiefags are clearly not big fans of classical since they care about the lyrics more than composition
bowie haters are either beyoncefags or scaruffi drones

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>>69852291
shut up, faggot. I can tell you're another one of thiese false drama eat shit and it's art bullshit lovers. why don't you go shit a brick and head out

>>69852315
I mean all the people insinuating that lyrics shouldn't be considered part of the music

>>69852322
Oh yeah you're right man you don't seem mad at all

>>69852197
Since it's a yes/no choice, the probability is 1/2
>>69852252
>This is /mu/ for /music/
lol
>/mu/ - Music
>Discuss music, artists, and instruments here. All images should relate to the topic at hand.
Nice try though
>said in my previous post that i don't ignore them, there's just nothing to praise about it
Chart out the songs and show us.
>you're praising mostly lyrics
Quote me where I did

>>69852287
>>69852371

>>69851603
/thread

>>69851603
what is there to be praised lol

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>>69851603
agreed pretty much

lots of scaruffi drones here <3 i love everyone though

check these dubs

>>69852548
>check these dubs
>no dubs
I don't get it?

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>>69852563

>>69852596
hot desu, source?

I love blackstar. I think it's incredible.

>>69851706
probably every song or album you like is related to a non-music context that plays an important role of it. It can go from memories evoked to the cover of the album, so it's pretty stupid to diminish the praise of an album trying to cut of the connection between the context and the music (music you probably don't remember because you only could hear your sobbing)

>>69852719
>/mu/ doens't care about the music itself

>>69852719
do you like lemonade?

>>69852993
sorry i don't like to listen to trap

so, neo neo /mu/ hates Blackstar, loves Oasis, and lana del rey is cool again
lmao u guys
what about Grimes? where is she now?

>>69851546
blackstar was pretty good though. lazarus is depressing af

>>69853570
grimes is confirmed proto-death grips, so i guess she's still mostly hated

>>69853522
there's like 3 trap songs

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>>69851546
never listened to this or Bowie in general, but my friend boasts it's the best album of 2016.
Tempted to listen to it, but I dont think I'll get to appreciate it without listening to his stuff before.

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>>69851826
>MBDTF

>>69851546
I agree. It's not good. I thought it was shit and thought it was another Thursday album of contrived music no one would like. Then he died and my opinion changed on the actual new tunes. The rehashes are total shit though.

>>69851546
a moon shaped pool

>>69851546
what's your motive op? I see this thread every time I come here and I don't get it cause it seems like such a safe opinion. No discussion of value ever comes from threads like this. Do you get some satisfaction when the idiots get up on arms about this mediocre album?

I doesn't really seem worth it to me.

>>69851826
Virgins is actually a glorious experience.

>>69851546
Lemonade collectively convinced hipster fucks that Beyonce is legitimate artist for making pop songs about being cucked by her husband.

>>69851826
weakassopinions2k16.txt

>>69853659
I'm in the same boat. Only album I've heard from him, thought it was just ok, best song Lazarus.

>>69854447
>caring about lyrics

Bowie was never a good music artist.

>>69854471
>muh bangers

>>69854516
what's wrong bith bangers?

>>69854516
>turns Death Grips on

>>69854486
[1]

>>69854566
I haven't liked a Death Grips project since Exmilitary.

Overrated, yeah, due to the context and the course of events.

But there are a ton of albums with more hype due to more bullshit reasons.

It's not often we see an artistic horcrux of this magnitude, so just let it slide.

>>69851706
Could you please explain what should Lemonade be praised for then?

>>69854637
i guess it sholdn't because she didn't die

>>69854679
this

>>69854679
this is much !!
how could we praise her if she's still alive !!!

>>69854679
this but unironically
Blackstar is aoty desu desu aoty

>>69854637
for the actual music maybe?

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>>69851826
>MBDTF
>RTJ 2
>Lonerism
>Replica

To pimp a butterfly