>grimse is not mainstream what did he mean by this? >

everyone knows that she's mainstream now, wtf are you talking about

Also this:
>>69748931

>>69748751
the anon in op made that post a few months ago. grimesfags are always trying to say that she's some obscure avant garde genius

>>69748667
>>69748751
>>69748976
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>69749047
well, she was making some obscure avant-pop back in 2011, but it's definitely not the case now
even death grips borrowed something for their the least accessible albums from her music

>>69749093
>even death grips borrowed something for their the least accessible albums from her music
(citation needed)

>>69749125

>>69699612
>>69700137

>>69748667
sticky when

>>69749189
oh okay so you have no concrete proof and you're just stretching your beliefs to align with what you want to be true. i should have figured

>>69749275
>stretching your beliefs to align with what you want to be true

i don't think that's how proving a point with a linked proofs is called

>>69749275
i bet you didn't even open those links

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>69749326
it's not linked proof. it's you saying "hurr these sound similar therefore she obviously inspired them"

there is no proof there. proof would be a dg quote attributing her

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>>69749493
>a dg quote attributing anybody
lol

>>69749558
okay so you have no proof. you have an opinion.

>it's a lifelong cuckold grimesfan defense force episode

Really gets the gears a-stirrin' :^)

>>69749493
You're kinda naive if you expect them to tell you what inspired them

>>69749565
I think the fact that flatlander's production sounds like production of the person who's followed by him on the social network is a legit proof

>>69748667
Lol

#noaidsnoselloutsnohomosnojeffbridgewalldudesnoassjaywrestlingfederationchampionsworlds

>>69749275
>>69749493
>>69749565
>MY FAVOURITE BAND WASN'T EVER INSPIRED BY GRIMES YOUR PROOF IS NOT A PROOF REEEEEEEEEEEEEe

why is it so hilarious

>>69748667
Grimes is not mainstream, she's just a fairly famous indie musician. She's doesn't have any big hits, her music is barely played on the radio and most people irl have no idea who she is. BTW, that source who said she has 4 mil dollars is reliable as thin ice.

Also just because some obscure vbloggers talked about her it doesn't mean she's mainstream either.

>>69749818
just because she doesn't have a big hits doesn't mean that she's not mainstream

>indie
http://rocnation.com/grimes/

>her music is barely played on the radio and most people irl have no idea who she is
citiation needed

>Also just because some obscure vbloggers talked about her it doesn't mean she's mainstream either
>impying people in the OP are obscure vloggers
honestly it made me laugh quite loudly

>>69749647
>>69749774
please never become a lawyer. in fact, please never reproduce.

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>>69749945
>Implying grimesfags will ever have an opportunity to reproduce

>>69749932
>citiation needed
>listening to radio
>talking to people IRL
>not being completely autistic

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>>69749945
i can imagine how displeased you are right now
at first it was "blackie rip-off", now it's "grimes rip-off"
deathgripsfags are not going to be healthy by visiting /mu/ that's for sure

>>69749993
>samefag
>implying i'm a grimesfag
kek

>>69750081
i don't even like deathgrips. why are you making assumptions? i'm just calling out obvious bullshit where i see it.

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reminder:

>>69750124
>i don't even like deathgrips
yeah of course you don't

>death grip knows about grimes is bullshit
>death grip is following grimes is bullshit
>death grips sound like grimes is bullshit
yeah sure it is

>>69750065
>>69749818
this makes no sense

>>69749932
Look at the definition of mainstream. If you're not on the radio, you don't exist for most people (as an artist). Ask anyone on the street if they're heard of her.

>>69750226
>implying never was on the radio
[citation needed]

>Ask anyone on the street if they're heard of her
i'm living in russia and she's well known here among young people
i don't even have to ask, i have normie friends who know her, and i never told them about her

>>69750292
she never was*

>>69750226
Holy shit why are you still arguing this? She's obviously mainstream. I've heard oblivion on the radio plenty of times. My roommate last year who listened almost exclusively to eminem and radio trap liked her. I know tons of normie plebs who like her music. And then of course there's the fucking op of this thread.

Just give it up already.

People could argue as long as they want, the fact remains: Grimes is an indie artist, NOT mainstream. Taylor Swift is an example of mainstream artist. Most of you have a false impression that Grimes is mainstream because she's so popular on /mu/, but you're delusional.

>>69748667
>what did he mean by this?
Not mainstream as in not (yet) part of the top-40 heavy radio-rotation circuit.

>>69750471
taylor swift is one of the biggest mainstream artists, even lana del rey can't compete with her, does it mean that lana del rey is not mainstream?

>>69749047
>grimesfags

>always trying to say that she's some obscure avant garde genius
She's less and less obscure by the day - anyone who says otherwise is a nitwit.

Being avant garde or a genius has nothing directly to do with being/not being mainstream.

>>69749932
>indie
>http://rocnation.com/grimes/
That's her mgmt company. Her label is 4AD (indie label). She has complete control over her music = indie.

>impying people in the OP are obscure vloggers
Yes, they are in the grand scheme of things.

>>69750591
>Yes, they are in the grand scheme of things.
i seriously hope it's bait

>>69750591
>>impying people in the OP are obscure vloggers
>Yes, they are in the grand scheme of things.

>tfw you're sharing the board with people like this guy

>>69750189
Listen to this DG-Grimes mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgshhTHxSNc

>>69750545
Just a random example. Lana is mainstream too. Grimes isn't (yet).

>>69750555
>Being avant garde or a genius has nothing directly to do with being/not being mainstream.
Right. Mozart and Beethoven are mainstream despite being dead for centuries, yet still considered geniuses.

>>69750606
>>69750628
Just take a look at the first video:
17,559 views
2,983

You must be really dumb if you believe that's mainstream.

>>69750709
*2,983 subscribers

>>69749189
Yeah... Not a Death Grips detractor in any way, and I LOVE it when people use this board to actually discuss music (what these posts comparing specific Grimes songs to specific DG songs are an excellent example of.) However imo the only thing that comes across as at all similar between any of them is that they were all clearly made with the aid of modern technology. They don't really sound anything alike desu.

>>69750658
>Lana is mainstream
>Grimes isn't (yet).
Why? Because you're the same retard >>69750472 who thinks grimes was never on the radio? How do you know if you don't listen to it?
I've listened to this shit almost every day from september 2015 to june 2016, and I heard her at least 10 times.

If you don't believe me that just read some facts:

>she's one of the biggest indie artists in the world,
>she made a full straightforward radio friendly album
>she's signed to both 4ad and Jay-Z's Roc Nation

how is that possible that she's never been on the radio?

>>69750779
>They don't really sound anything alike desu.
how so?
let me copy those posts here so you can read and listen again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmY7-PK5-Xw [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kDinXI0bxM [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUxCeVupemA [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfVFW_BXIhA [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHnL57KLCls [Embed]

the way bjork's voice is sampled on that album is not only borrows from grimes (the only difference is that it's a little bit more chaotic, the same thing with Have a Sad Cum BB and Government Plates), Andy Morin is confrimed being a grimesfag via his instagram, pretty sure it was his idea to use her voice the same way they used all the other elements of the album with v-drums
he even used her ideas before, those I noticed are here, not sure how many there are similarities besides these because i'm not a big grimes fan, maybe i should explore her discography deeper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtH68PJIQLE [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMVSQVn97es [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2cQvZPX3OY [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApWIH5Omvy8 [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbS0tJ6S4Xg [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTvanzhR6ok [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaYEOxO0fAY [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oqxz6hpGbs [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaXufwo74vg [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsbiyvpel54 [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DglchRrb8dY [Embed]
(though this one is not kinda obvious, probably he wasn't trying to make Deep Web sound like inside-out version of that grimes song, but it shows that they used the same or at least very similar synth pack)

>>69749189
>>69750865
the first two are not alike except glitchy vocals, but the others seem legit desu

>>69750906
>the first two are not alike except glitchy vocals
>that's exactly what is said there

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>>69749558
Lol that reminds me

>>69750812
I'm not the same anon with >>69750472, you stupid idiot.

>I've listened to this shit almost every day from september 2015 to june 2016, and I heard her at least 10 times.
10 times?! That's fucking nothing. If that's mainstream, I'm Putin. A real mainstream artist is played 10 times per day (or in the worst case 10 times per week), not 10 times per year. You're really delusional, pal.

>she's one of the biggest indie artists in the world,
True. But that doesn't make her mainstream. No hits, no mainstream level.

>she made a full straightforward radio friendly album
Ha ha ha ha! An album with 2 classical sounding songs, with a song featuring screaming and xxx lyrics in Taiwanese, with an aggressive electro-rock song, with lyrics all over the place and with strange singing is straightforward radio friendly album? How many millions of copies she sold?

>she's signed to both 4ad and Jay-Z's Roc Nation
So what? 4AD is indie and Roc Nation is just management (google what that means).

>>69750953
John Maus should collab with Grimes. Their music is on the same register.

>>69749932
>impying people in the OP are obscure vloggers
Anon, the kind of people who go out of their way to buy new releases on vinyl records are not mainstream - by definition.

>>69750292
>>implying never was on the radio
Top-40 radio play is the only form of radio play that matters in terms of demarcating what is and isn't mainstream.

>i'm living in russia and she's well known here among young people
Not to purposefully sound like a huge dick, but what music happens to be popular in Russia has nothing to do with what constitutes "mainstream" music.

>>69750865
I listened to them and the Grimes influence in those Death Grips songs is obvious. Not a bad thing at all.

>>69750680
Lol that was my point. An artist can be deemed mainstream, a genuis, avant garde in any combination - these things aren't mutually exclusive.

>>69751166
That's right, they're not mutually exclusive.

>>69750812
>who thinks grimes was never on the radio?
Top-40 radio. She has yet to break into top-40 radio (what people really mean when they talk about radio play in the context of what constitutes mainstream music.) We knows this for a fact because if any of her songs HAD managed to make it to that point yet they would have charted accordingly.

>>69750812
>I've listened to this shit almost every day from september 2015 to june 2016, and I heard her at least 10 times.
Anon, top-40 radio play typically garners an artist/song upwards of ten rotations PER DAY on a single station. She clearly hasn't done that (yet.)

>>69750963
>10 times?! That's fucking nothing
at first you (or someone else) was saying that she's never been on the radio

>True. But that doesn't make her mainstream. No hits, no mainstream level.
there's something called mainstream indie

>with 2 classical sounding songs
they're just an interlude and intro, nothing more

>inb4 there are some strings in venus fly
it's a literal banger anyway

>with an aggressive electro-rock song
artangels? sounds like madonna
pin? probably the most agressive song besides scream, but not really that much, sounds like bubblegum-pop with guitars desu

>with lyrics all over the place
fwb? i don't think it isn't radio friedly, this song is very gentle

>strange singing
joanna newson has strange vocals, grimes' singing sounds like kpop on that album

>Roc Nation is just management
do you really think she coulnd't have spent this money on promotion? i mean is there something else she could have spent it on (except touring, but we know she had visions world tour even without help of roc nation)
>>69751005
>the kind of people who go out of their way to buy new releases on vinyl records are not mainstream
>look at my new pop records i just bought, some of them are not from this year
>troye sivan, lana del rey, grimes, arctic monkeys, etc
is this what "obscure vlogger" means?
>>69737516

>>69751310
>>69751255

>>69751324
>there's something called mainstream indie

>>69751324
>artangels? sounds like madonna
>pin? probably the most agressive song besides scream, but not really that much, sounds like bubblegum-pop with guitars desu
I meant Kill V. Maim. Name other song like this one on the current or past charts.

>at first you (or someone else) was saying that she's never been on the radio
It was someone else.

>it's a literal banger anyway
A banger too energetic for the radio. How many times did you hear this tune on the radio? Zero times?

>fwb? i don't think it isn't radio friedly, this song is very gentle
Very gentle? Try again. Also look at the lyrics of the other songs. AA is too weird for the mainstream audiences.

>joanna newson has strange vocals, grimes' singing sounds like kpop on that album
You didn't even listen to kpop if you say that. A normie would consider her vocals to be strange.

>do you really think she coulnd't have spent this money on promotion? i mean is there something else she could have spent it on (except touring, but we know she had visions world tour even without help of roc nation)
She doesn't have that much money for promotion. As I said, she's an indie artist that happened to be fairly popular. An artist selling 100K albums is not mainstream, but a fairly popular indie artist.

Maybe she will become mainstream in the future but right now she isn't.

>>69751324
>at first you (or someone else) was saying that she's never been on the radio
Obvious hyperbole being wrong isn't an argument in support of anything. Anyone with a brain knows that her music has been on the radio at least once:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhNxvoXOKcI

>there's something called mainstream indie
Which is a subset of Indie - not of mainstream.

>joanna newson has strange vocals,
Fwiw last I checked Joanna Newsom isn't a top-40 mainstream artist either.

>Roc Nation is just management
Just to clear this up, Roc Nation is,
>a full service entertainment company housing a record label, talent agency, touring and concert production company, music, film, and television production company as well as a music publishing house.
Grimes is signed to the talent agency portion of it, and (demonstrably) nothing else.

>is this what "obscure vlogger" means?
Anon, people who buy records are not representative of the general public in terms of musical taste because most people don't own or use record players any more.

>>69751497
>I meant Kill V. Maim.
>electro-rock song
eh

>Name other song like this one on the current or past charts.
idk, look up to any korean chart

>A banger too energetic for the radio
>what is EDM

>Very gentle? Try again
i don't know what to say about it, for me this song sounds very commercial, those vocals you were talking about are so deep in the mix i noticed them only on the 3rd listen or so

>AA is too weird for the mainstream audiences
You're really delusional, pal.

>You didn't even listen to kpop if you say that.
lol
i actually used to visit kpop threads in the past

>A normie would consider her vocals to be strange.
You're really delusional, pal.
i study with the normies who like her

>Maybe she will become mainstream in the future but right now she isn't.
she's becoming right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXor30_XZMY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGTbiXEeb_c

>>69751721
>electro-rock song
>eh
Did you hear the guitars (rock) and synths (electro-nic)?

>>69751771
yeah, i did
but it's just a banger pop song with some guitars in the mix
even pin sounds way more "rocky"

>>69751708
>Which is a subset of Indie - not of mainstream.
it's actually something between indie and mainstream

>Fwiw last I checked Joanna Newsom isn't a top-40 mainstream artist either.
i doubt she ever will
she doesn't look like she has an ambitiont to make a dance-pop album desu

>Grimes is signed to the talent agency portion of it, and nothing else.
>agency portion of it, and nothing else
[citiation needed]

>Anon, people who buy records are not representative of the general public in terms of musical taste because most people don't own or use record players any more
so again
is this what "obscure vlogger" means?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXTZxjN68YE

>>69750865
wtf i love grimes now

>>69750865
I don't know wether to stop listening to DG or give Grimes another chance.

>>69750865
>the most overrated band of the decade is inspired by the Mo overrated singer of the decade
HELL NO
THIS WAS UNEXPECTED

>>69752245
ugh
the most*

is this the Grimes subreddit?

>>69751937
>>agency portion of it, and nothing else
>[citiation needed]

From the Roc Nation website:
>Founded in 2008, Roc Nation is a full-service entertainment company, inclusive of artist, songwriter, producer and engineer management; music publishing; touring & merchandising; film & television; new business ventures; and a music label.

Grimes' artist management: Roc Nation
http://rocnation.com/grimes/

Grimes' music publisher: Riptide Music Group (created by her friend/colleague Jack Antonoff)
http://www.riptidemusic.com/grimes/

Grimes' touring company: Fairy Tour Corp/Nazgul Touring Inc (both created/owned by Grimes)
https://www.corporationwiki.com/p/2ks86r/nazgul-touring-inc

Grimes' merchandizer: Church of Merch
http://www.churchofmerch.com/

Grimes' film/video development: Roco-Prime Productions (created/owned by Grimes and her brother Mac Boucher)
http://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/news/a15028/lessons-from-grimes-on-how-to-be-a-boss/

Grimes' record label: 4AD, Eerie Organization/Crystal Math (the latter created by Grimes)
http://www.4ad.com/artists/179
http://eerie.org/


The only thing that Roc Nation does that Grimes doesn't already have covered somehow is artist management.

>>69752786
no, there are just 5 grimes threads

>>69749093
>avant-pop

lol

>>69750471
>the fact remains: Grimes is an indie artist, NOT mainstream
except you're wrong and there's nothing factual about that

>>69752827
was there a forum here or something desu?

>>69750471
>signed to a major label
>indie
huh

>>69752865
>trying to prove how death grips is avant-hop in another thread

>>69752987
>Claiming that 4AD is a major label

>>69753259
>claiming that someone who is signed to any label whatsoever is "indie"
do you not understand what the term means?

>>69750865
>>69750906
>>69751111
>>69751945
>>69752194
>>69752245
FUCK YOU

>>69753282
seems like you don't understand what "major label" means

>>69754008
agreed.

>tfw so much stuff I like is too mainstream to be liked on /mu/ but too obscure to be known/liked by people irl

>>69754008
>>69754095

sperg exists

>>69753282
>claiming that someone who is signed to any label whatsoever is "indie"
Never claimed any such thing.

Grimes isn't an "indie" artist in a traditional sense. Neither is she a "mainstream" one. She is an independently operating artist who - by making excellent use of recent technological advances - has developed a pathway along which she can directly inject her artistic output into the realm of mainstream commercial music. Technically speaking Grimes is a sterling example of a new kind of business model in the professional music industry where full creative control and widespread record distribution are no longer mutually exclusive from a practical standpoint. Which means that dichotomous terms like "indie" vs. "mainstream" no longer have any meaning in the context of her operational structure. Hence all the confusion you see about whether to call her "indie" or not.

Grimes isn't "indie". To the contrary, she is whatever comes next - evolutionarily speaking. From a business model standpoint Grimes is quite literally the future of music.

>>69754008
>>69754095
>B-B-BUT DEATH GRIPS IS NOT GRIMES I DONT BELIVE YOU FUCK YOU

this thread is going to be legendary desu

>>69754156
I don't care

>>69754180
>cared enough to reply

>>69754197
no u

>>69754230
i didn't say that i don't care though

>>69754144
would she still be indie if she was popular?

>>69754121
Due to the culture of rampant contrarianism on this board, the only time you are going to see a huge majority here saying that they "like" something is when the thing in question isn't good enough to be worth hating. Likewise, the only time you are going to see a huge majority here saying that they "hate" something is when the thing in question IS good enough to be worth hating (because - to paraphrase/expand upon Taylor Swift by way of James Brooks - people throw rocks at things that shine because things that shine make better targets.)
For an artist, being universally loved on /mu is a bad sign. Likewise being universally hated on /mu is a bad sign. However being simultaneously strongly loved AND strongly hated by /mu is a wonderful sign, since the size of that dichotomy itself is the closest thing this place has to offer to a true judgment of artistic value.
The proof that Grimes or any other artist for that matter (even - dare I say it - Death Grips) IS a great artist (insofar as /mu hive-mind opinion is concerned) lies in the degree to which said artist is able to DIVIDE this place. Only the greatest artists can do that.

>>69754180
>>69754230
hey look
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtH68PJIQLE [Embed] [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMVSQVn97es [Embed] [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2cQvZPX3OY [Remove] [Embed]

I wonder why she has haters

>>69754314
Because of her lisp. And the fact that she isn't giving me blowjobs daily.

>>69754314
It's called rampant contrarianism. See >>69754289

>>69754279
Yes, because independence and popularity are completely different things when handled properly.

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>>69754314

>>69754314
Because the waifu fags refuse to shut the fuck up

>>69754314
because she has no right to be so ugly and impaired

>>69754574
Imagine being this narcissistic.

>>69754335
>>69754732
Imagine being THIS narcissistic.

>>69754599
>waifu fags
people love grimes because of her music

i fucking hate grimesfags so much

>>69755291
why

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>>69755334

>>69755420
you posted the reason why we should hate grimeshaters, not grimesfags

>>69751945
me too. hater turned lover here.

>>69755420
jesus this is like a cult, they won't even believe that anyone could dislike grimes or else they become part of some "hate group".

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>>69756856
>this is like a cult
It is.

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>>69749558
>>69750865

>>69759161
kek

>>69756856
>they won't even believe that anyone could dislike grimes or else they become part of some "hate group".
Lol Oo course people are free to casually dislike her. It's the routine intense hatred types that are suspect,

>>69754732
This is a mean and stupid comment. I pity your shitty soul.

>>69755222
Fact.

>>69755420
>>69755291
That comment struck a nerve, that's why you're so mad?

>>69752194
Listen to both. So yeah, give Grimey another chance.

>>69752937
I'm wrong because you say so? Dream on.

>>69753282
You are confused about what is this indie thing. There are 2 kind of labels:
- indie: 4AD, Domino, Warp, etc
- major: EMI, Warner, Columbia, etc

Grimes is signed to 4AD, so she's indie. Like it or not.

>>69762575
wow you still don't understand what indie means. next time don't get into discussions that you know nothing about

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>>69760988
>that's why you're so mad?
that's one example. i have several others including pic related and this, which somehow fell under the radar >>69750187

they're all just ridiculously obnoxious, ignorant, arrogant, and un-self-aware

>>69763132
>not getting the irony of that comment
You missed the point, pal. You must have a sense of humor when dealing anything related to her posted on this board.

>>69763068
Indie = independent. She has complete control over her career (even more than many so called indie artists) and she's basically her own boss. Next time don't discuss things you don't know about.

>>69764456
holy fuck indie means not signed to a record label. just stop talking already

>>69764502
>holy fuck indie means not signed to a record label.
What an imbecile idea. You're ignorant and still bragging about this. An idiot from /mu/ told you that and you believed it like a naive sheep that you are. Read the goddamn definition:

>Independent music (often shortened to indie music or indie) is music produced independently from major commercial record labels or their subsidiaries, a process that may include an autonomous, do-it-yourself approach to recording and publishing. The term indie is sometimes also used to describe a genre (such as indie rock and indie pop); as a genre term, "indie" may include music that is not independently produced, and most independent music artists do not fall into a single, defined musical style or genre, and usually create music that can be categorized into other genres.

Also:
>Independent labels have a long history of promoting developments in popular music, stretching back to the post-war period in the United States, with labels such as Sun Records, King Records, and Stax.

>>69749558
>Jimmy Hendrix
c'mon, anon. this is an easy one

>>69765711
it was Ride though, not Andy
and wasn't it the only time he named a person who inspired him?

>>69763132
>Having no sense of humor