Why is mainstream hip hop given respect amongst the indie scene

stop reading pitchfork, its the buzzfeed of music reviews

>>69683845
And read what, The Wire? I think not.

>>69683810
dont read pitchfork,rolling stone,fantano,scarufi or any other big headed idiot or magazine,they make lists just to please their readers,work from riri was the 7th best song of the year according to pitch.
Now that i ve answered your question,tell me who that semen demon is

>>69683925
>work from riri was the 7th best song of the year according to pitch
seems fair to me desu

Because it's the most important modern genre. Most multinational and multicultural.

>>69683810
>mainstream rock
nosuchthing

>>69684118
it wasn't top 10 oty but it was better than the songs they put ahead of it desu

>>69683810
White liberals place blacks on a much lower standard than whites. They deride shitty white artists like Skrillex then praise equally shitty black artists.

>>69683873
>And read what, The Wire? I think not.
>Oh man if I don't have a publication to tell me what I'm supposed to like how will I know what I'm supposed to like!
You don't need to read anything. Conduct your own research on music and find what you like.

>>69684758
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qFF2v8VsaA

>90 million views

>>69683873
make up your own opinions

>>69684992
patrican detected.

superior song coming though: https://youtu.be/Vh6GSAO04dM

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>>69685144
How the hell is that rock music? It's on Fueled By Ramen for Christ's sake.

A lot of hip publications are incredibly myopic, mainstream rock since the '90s being a particularly obvious blindspot. You only have to look at the NME (in spite of occasionally having Paramore on the cover occasionally or w/e) slowly bleeding out over the course of the past fifteen years while Kerrang and Rock Sound still have circulations in the tens of thousands to see that focusing primarily on "indie rock" with the occasionally awkward attempting at kowtowing to grime and hip-hop instead of whatever bullshit metalcore hybrid is getting teenagers' ears this week is is p misguided.

I feel like P4K are in a weird situation where they've partially jettisoned the indie shit which is their bread and butter except for incredibly obvious on-brand shit like Parquet Courts, with the occasional exception of something like the 1975 or the Hotelier or whatever emo-leaning rock group Ian Cohen's into this week. I dunno. Attempting to include mainstream rap is a step in the right direction but the music press is still dying (with the exception of an Amazing-Atheist-impersonating melon) so it's probably too late to hope for anything other than craven clutching to whatever'll make a profit at this point. Fair play desu.

MCR (and to a lesser extent P!ATD) were among the greatest rock bands of the '00s, it's weird that more people don't acknowledge it.

>>69685155
*the occasional awkward attempt

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>>69685152
It's very clearly pop-rock autismo.

It was also nominated for Rock Album of the year.

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>>69684758
>implying

>>69685152
>labels having anything to do with genres

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>>69683810
why are you posting pijin gril

>>69683810
she looks like Putin

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>>69685331

I miss rap city on BET
they always had good hip hop and it wasn't all mainstream shit

>>69683810
for starters that's a bit of a false dichotomy

the hip hop equivalent of panic at the disco is shit like pitbull, black eyed peas flo-rida. most music sites don't acknowledge that they exist either

stuff like a$ap is still "mainstream" but no more mainstream than the mainstream indie pitchfork-type sites used to cover. it's just that hip hop is the trendy thing now

just seems like you're trying to force the white guilt narrative. you probably could have done that quite easily without being disingenuous if you really wanted to, but the reality is just that hip hop is cool right now and when the time comes pitchfork and co. will hop to the next trend

>>69685356
that's a good way to get shat on

>>69685510
>implying there's a bad way

>>69683873
>B-but how am I supposed to know if I like something without reviews?

Pathetic.

Seriously why do people need these websites? Why can't they just listen to shit and decide if they like it?

>>69685650
There's too much shit to sift through

>>69685650
how else can i pretend my taste in music is valid?

isn't music objective???

>>69685650
most people are not really that interested in music they just kinda want to be up to date on all the cultural talking points so they can fit in with everyone else

>>69685673
You're not trying to listen to everything. Just find a path you wanna go down and do it. It's not hard. And most of these "journalists" have shit taste so you're better off on your own

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>>69685346
She is russian

>>69685673
>believing sites that give garbage albums like TLOP good reviews

yikes

>>69685898
you don't "believe" them you just use them for suggestions of shit to try out

>>69685898
It's not about believing them about whether it's good or not, it's about keeping up with the shit that's happening and then making up your own mind.
Pitchfork etc. are notoriously bad at explaining whether music is good or bad, their primary function is basically curation of whatever is interesting or current. They're not very good at that either, but neither are fumbling /mu/ autodidacts with ten hours of free time a day to skim through Rateyourmusic, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>69685650
I wouldn't say I NEED them but I like to flip through reviews and if the description sounds like something I'd enjoy I'll check it out. Doesn't cost anything.

>>69686036
3/10 desu

>>69685966
>>69686022
how about finding stuff you like on your own?

is that too hard? doubt it.

>is it just white guilt, or what?

100% seriously, yes.

>>69686314
for what purpose

>>69683810
>Rick Ross, 2 Chainz, ASAP, Lil Wayne
all shit tier, dont worry
>Panicat the disco, MCR, etc.
also shit tier, possibly worry

>>69686422
>MCR
>shit

absolute pleb, immediate suicide recommended.

>>69683810
>is it just white guilt, or what?
Nah mostly it's that nobody has been doing anything interesting in rock for like 10 years now. MCR and PATD included. I don't think Rick Ross or ASAP have been relevant for at least 5 years though so those aren't the best examples.

>>69683810
>is it just white guilt, or what?

when Panic at the Disco and MCR is the best you can come up with, it's definitely not

>le everyone that isn't exactly like me is an sjew meme

it's funny how people complain about white guilt but try to make people feel guilty for liking black artists more than white ones

also yeah let's praise mediocre music cause it's made by white people (b-b-but they're the ones who praise mediocre music because of skin color!)

i hope op will become the defener for buttrock like three days grace and nickelback and papa roach

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>>69686778
reddit is down the hall and to the left

>>69686843
thanks for proving my first point

go back to your safe space

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>white people unironically listen to rap, trap and all its shitty variations and derivatives

>>69686778
>sjew

r/gamerghazi detected

>>69683810
I don't know any mainstream hip hop that's analyzed for lyrical content besides kendrick lamar and eminem

>>69686910
isn't it hilarious how eminem is the most successful rapper ever
and that plenty of people will talk about how hip hop isn't real music but he's the exception
and so many people go on to talk about how deep he is despite him writing more about killing people and doing drugs more than anything actually deep yet people never realize that


but no it's clearly not cause he's white :^)

>>69686606
It is.

>>69686938
he's a bad lyricist but then he's usually compared to 0/10s

>>69686606
>2 bands who have never released an album with lukewarm or negative reception don't count

lol

>>69687019
panic have always been considered shite and MCR have never gotten anything more than lukewarm reception

>>69683873
The Wire is easily the best music publication right now.

>>69685155
They were great back then. Their newer stuff is very shitty, popular or not.

Because when rappers get big they're either talented, profit hungry criminals or both. Watching them compete from the top is fun.

Even if you don't like their music they're interesting character studies in most cases.

>>69683810
I don't feel like 2 Chainz, ASAP, or Lil Wayne get analyzed much more than any pop artists

>>69687019
>2 bands who have never released an album with lukewarm or negative reception don't count

lmao, are you sure you're talking about those two bands

>>69687079
The Wire is prententious shit for people who pride themselves on how much they reject mainstream culture and listen to the most obscure and inaccessible music possible.

Some of their readers/fans here on /mu/ were upset that the magazine praised Solange, Rihanna, and Lil Yachty in their end of the year issue because they were "too mainstream". I mean how pathetic is that? How elitist can you get?

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>>69687092
>They were great

>>69687168
Could you project your insecurities any harder? And the only criticism of you gave is of its readers on /mu/, not the magazine itself or its readership at large.

>>69686954
No he isn't. So tired of this shit.
I don't dickride him but he's a great lyricist

>>69687221
window pain

>>69687243
lmao he has said some goofy shit but his techniques took rapping far beyond where it was before him
Not saying he's the goat. Like I personally don't enjoy most of his music but he deserves respect

>>69687300
>his techniques took rapping far beyond where it was before him
bull fuckin shit

>>69687300
reminder that he's a massive cage ripoff
and even icp as well

>>69687326
Show me some people who rhymed like him before him mang
>>69687338
I don't care, that's his style. Cage and fucking ICP can't rhyme like he can.
I didn't say he deserves respect for his style, his style is fucking awful. That's why his fans are ICP-tier.
I'm literally just talking about the way he puts bars together and his flow

>>69687453
first explain what you mean by like him

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>>69687453
>cage can't rhyme like he can
>mfw

>>69687092
I think MCR fell off a tiny bit with The Black Parade and majorly w/ Danger Days, can't vouch for any Panic album since Pretty Odd. Can't be as bad as Twenty One Pilots though

>>69687502
boy
>>69687475
I suppose just really thick multisyllabic in-line rhyme with a ton of precision in enunciation
Now that I'm thinking of this there are earlier guys but none with the mass appeal that Eminem had.
People often say that's just because he's white but that isn't the only reason

>>69687168
What I thought was funny was how angry people were getting at anybody who dared criticize their list. All the anti-whites came out of the woodwork to say "ur just friggin racist insecure hipster". Because the only reason anybody could possibly dislike some run of the mill pop music is that it's popular.

>>69687062
go to metacritic retard.

>>69687152
Yep.

>>69688211
metacritic is retarded you retard

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>>69688243
>it doesn't count because i say so

lmao

>>69688243
>aggregation site is retarded
>"lol all critics are retarded"

>>69688211
You have to be at least 18 to post here.

>>69688372
You have to be at least 18 to post here.

>>69688290
>>69688319
http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=how+does+metacritic+weight+reviews
I'll do something that's worth my time and you can learn how metacritic works

This is literally the problem with neo-/mu/. How old are you people? Like 5-6 years ago I would never see a shitty pop punk thread or some shitty pop emo songs, but now they're all over the place. I even see people rating absolute shite like Say Anything.. and MCR """""10/10""""".

All the artists OP listed are unlistenable. Also it's probably not white guilt because those derivative pop punk bands you listen are worse than the derivative rappers.

>>69688469
>All the artists OP listed are unlistenable. Also it's probably not white guilt because those derivative pop punk bands you listen are worse than the derivative rappers.

HAHAHAHAHAH it's sad that you actually believe this.

>>69688414
>letmegooglethat

i'm not clicking that reddit shit.

go back to where you came from.

>>69688469
>le wrong generation of 4chan xDD

kill yourself

>>69688469
>I would never see a shitty pop punk thread

oh yes you would, newfag.

>>69688524
you're part of the problem

>>69688469
Say Anything is shit but MCR is objectively 10/10.

The Black Parade is the Nevermind of the 2000s.

>>69685193
jesus fuck the grammys really do suck

>>69683810
People/companies probably pay for reviews. I would either ignore pitchfork and take everything you read there with a grain of salt.

>>69688578
No, rock is just dead.

Name one good 2016 rock record from someone under 40. I'll wait.

>>69688601
oh yeah no doubt rock is dead, but i dont think you can call any of the other categories good

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>>69688628
this

https://youtu.be/KpxtfI8Bn8w

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>>69688601

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>>69688601
here.

>>69688653
>good

Try again.

>>69688661
>>69688390

>>69688502
Woah dude, don't get TOO defensive.
>>69688572
I'd argue no. It's fine that you enjoy MCR, but to say its objective standing is 10/10 is ignoring how dull pop punk is. The unoriginality of that album and its production is objective.

>>69683810
Because Pitchfork is filled with pseudo-intellectual hipsters that give credit to brown people for being brown.

It is miraculously stupid and hypocritical. They find contrived ways to claim that the latest System of a Down album is 2/10 but then claim that a Migos song called "Versace" where they repeat the word Versace 50 times before the first verse starts is one of the best songs of the year. I'm not making that last part up.

If any other genre were remotely as lazy, generic, obnoxious and douchey as rap music and was not primarily back people would think it's monumentally awful and meme it into oblivion.

/mu/ by association basically just likes rap music because they think other people do, which is fine in itself but the justifications are about as dumb as anyone else. They claim artists like Skrillex and Deadmau5 are for 13 year olds and white trash but then say they listen to Chief Cheef.

So yeah, it's total bullshit. That's your answer. The amount of rap music that actually has artistic merit that publications like Pitchfork would care about otherwise is staggeringly disproportionate.

>>69688717
>The unoriginality of that album and its production is objective.

no. It's a fantastic album.

>>69688772
>unironically lyrics

>>69688772
have you ever stopped to consider it could just be because those artists you named are

gasp

dogshit for twelve year olds?

>>69688772
/mu/ hopelessly BTFO holy shit

>>69688772
SAVAGE AS FUCK

>>69688601
>from someone under 40
literally no reason for this but alright
Teens of Denial, Feelin Kinda Free, Post Pop Depression, Human Performance, Preoccupations, Beyond the Fleeting Gales, Hope Six Demolition Project, Stranger Heads Prevail, Dissociation
I've also heard good things about Puberty 2, A Weird Exits, My Woman, and Nonagon Infinity

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>>69688772
Reminder that they gave this a higher review score than Pinkerton.

>>69688841
All terrible records except for Crying which isn't fully rock to begin with.
>literally no reason for this
Rock has no new blood left. It doesn't not matter just because you don't want it to.

>>69688780
>DUDE TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF LMAO

embarrassing.

>>69688903
just because you have awful taste in rock music doesnt mean its dead

>>69688801
nice reading comprehension, buddy.

>>69688926
>dude the point of music isn't the music
retard

>>69688932
Except you're the one that told me to listen to all that ""post-punk"" and washed-up bullshit? Don't make your taste in a dying art form my fault, if you wouldn't mind.

>>69688780
Please, there's nothing else artistically redeeming about "Versace" by Migos.

The kind of music they're praising is just bad. It's annoying, lazy, tacky and bad and they'd think it's awful if it were any other genre.

>>69688801
The problem is that the biggest music publication on the internet is claiming that they're amazing artists and handing out reviews that praise them left and right.

>>69688988
you still brought up lyrics

>>69688954
>told me to listen to
I didn't tell you to listen to anything.
>""post-punk""
Do you not know what post-punk is? And there's only 2 (HP isn't quite pure enough) traditional post-punk records there.
Don't make your shitty taste the genres fault, if you wouldn't mind.

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>>69688952
>DUDE WHO CARES IF THIS MOVIE OR BOOK'S PLOT DOESNT MAKE SENSE, THE EXPLOSTIONS AND VISUALS WERE COOL!

unironically fucking kill yourself, my man.

>>69689005
>DUDE JUST TURN OFF YOUR BRAIN

absolute pleb, go back to facebook.

>>69689053
>>69689061
>music is dumb
>only lyrics are smart
well fuck off from the music board then

>>69685356
>that nosering
I'd shit on her

>>69689152
It's about the entire package, moron.

>>69684789
>Better than Ivy
Disgusting

>>69689185
how many times a word is repeated was implied to be bad in itself, not bad in the context of the specific song
therefore lyrics were implied to be important just as lyrics

>>69689248
It's not, it really is just bad in this case.

Migos make fun party music that also just happens to be crap. I'd love to live in a world where people put soul into that kind of music but that ain't the case. I think Yeezy tried to save us but the market for generic trap music is just too big.

How have you managed to graduate from heavy metal and still think lyrics are meaningless? Sure in metal the vocals are there because the stringmonkies that play it don't know music and are only capable of the riff verse riff verse solo riff format. In more substantial genres, it's possible to write a song with no words at all, and if there is, it's an artistic decision to do so. If one decided to have lyrics in the first place and they're shit, why should that be overlooked?

>>69689230
>Ivy
boring af

>>69689248
There's a limit to how many times repeating something is ok, no matter the context.

A song like Clique by Kanye is absolute dogshit because it is repetitive and lazy.

>>69689305
what are some /lit/ tier song lyrics then >inb4 dylman

>>69689346
what's the limit oh senpai

>>69689346
Don't Stop Me Now by Queen, dogshit song right?

>>69689305
because there's no way for me to justify the music i like without pushing the narrative that lyrics don't matter in an attempt to damage control my favorite genre of music, which is plagued by objectively terrible songwriting:

https://youtu.be/PXg06uQhu8M

>>69689374
When there's enough to actually notice it.

>>69689408
Where did i imply every rock song ever made has good lyrics?

>>69689459
So you actually think it's a bad song?

The tree I was barking up is that it's bad just because it's repetitive. It's all siduational.

>>69689459
as a person with a brain i usually notice that something is repeated the first time it's repeated

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>this thread
>>>/trash/

>>69689358
I'm not that anon, but pretty much everything joanna newsom has written
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky9Ro9pP2gc

>>69689535
t. pitchfork drone

>>69689529
We were talking about the point where repetition became an aspect that lowered the quality of a song but keep trying to be a smartass.

>>69689553
I don't read pitchfork and I don't like any of the rock or rap posted in this thread so far. Nice try, though.

>>69689573
>were talking about the point where repetition became an aspect that lowered the quality of a song
yes?

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>>69689584
>lol you're all stupid, i'm a centrist so i'm better than all of you i'll tell you hwat

>>69689358
I don't know I mostly listen to instrumental music.

>>69689536
I was planning on listening to her one of these days, but now that I've listened to the first bar of that, I don't want to anymore.

>>69689781
What's wrong with the first bar?

>>69685193
now you understand why people treat rockists like jokes

>>69689781
yeah, it may be best to give anything too hard some space before you learn more about music

>>69689807
Not what I meant, but does the whole song follow that robotic chord per minim pattern?

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>>69683810

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnqIj8C2Aek

>>69688601
The drones record that came out this year was pretty good.

>>69683810
Your looking for acceptance on a micro social level. People still listen to nu rock and the ones who completely sold out to rap completely are literally the damned or simply niggers.

>>69683810
because people are fucking cucks

>>69688628
This guy knows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMX2lPum_pg

>>69690226
>Feminism is born out of critical theory

I'll take anachronism for 200, Alex.

How many fucking everyday leftists do you think have even heard of Adorno anyway? The whole of the frankfurt school was less influential for the left then, say, John Dewey.

Also there is literally nothing wrong with the quoted Marcuse passage. I don't care if neo-nazis get their asses kicked

>>69689631
Yes, actually.

>>69683810
who's the cute boy in OP?

>>69683810
Because the people you just described don't think for themselves and are continually subject to the whims of whatever foreign cultural arbitrator presides over their peer-group.

>>69687079
Nah, that's the Quietus

>>69687634
Nah, DD is hugely underrated. Great variety of solid pop/rock songs

>>69683810
Because they listen to it ironically. It's basically racism, they get a laugh at how stupid and violent these black man can get.

The mainstream rock band you mentioned on the other hand are not talked about because it's music for virgins.

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>>69684603
He gets it.

>>69685193
why is weezer nomnated for a 1994 album?


hejhhwhhehheehheh

>>69687173
they still are

bill cosby

>>69683810
Because indie kids are cucks

>>69696969