/classical general/ Debussy was a CIA agent too and was cri

Debussy was an Illuminati grandmaster of the French order

>>69349464
where mozart?

>>69349517

Mozart was an actual freemason, check it out

>>69349464
Debussy is terrible

>>69349825

Yeah, he planned to kill americans and blame it on Castro. That's sick

>>69349985
Also he had a bag attached to him for his shit to ooze out into

dispicable

>when the Radio 3 Breakfast show plays Gustav Mahler's Symphony no. 2 in C minor "Resurrection" 4th movement an hour after I listened to Stowaski's BBC Philharmonic album

London > Berlin in my opinion

>>69349464
>/classical/ not in Subject
triggered

https://www.finebooksmagazine.com/press/2016/07/monumental-manuscript-of-mahlers-complete-second-symphony-to-be-offered-at-sothebys.phtml
>inb4 Tallis buys it and wipes his ass with it

>>69350520
Did you hear them mention who the other conductor was?

Hey, curious about Monteverdi.
What are your favorite recordings?

>>69350632
>implying tallis could afford it
has he finished high school yet?

>>69350666
>poly still mad Tallis is cooler than he is

>>69349825
shit taste son

>>69349464
Debussy - born 1842, died 1918

CIA - founded 1947

Good job, OP

>>69350706
t. CIA

>>69350642
Simon Rattle

>when Radio 3 plays jazz and world music
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>69350706

Sure thing, agent.

>>69350520

What's the best classical music radio station/podcast?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04grwbj

>>69350777
>he can't get down with trad
what kind do they play, though? I'm an amerifag who has no experience with good radio

what's the reason so many important composers originated in/from germany?

regards, classical noob.

>>69350828
Honestly, Radio 3 pretty good stuff through and through. Mostly classical from like early Gregorian shit through to the present day, with a stronger focus on 17th through 20th century classical. But also a decent amount of opera and jazz and traditional world/folk music as well as some more "avant garde" styles. Also there's non-musical arts/culture and drama programming as well.

Radio 4 is good news/intelligent talk/drama and comedy programming as well.

Radio 5 is 24/7 live commentaries on news, sports coverage, etc.

>>69350868
germany and italy are the countries in which most innovative music is made

>inb4 butthurt french replies

>>69350914
6 Music is pretty good too. It's essentially dedicated to all forms of rock music from the 1950s/1960s to the present day with a particular focus on more alternative/"independent" strains of rock music from the late 1970s - early 00s and the present day. They have specialty shows dedicated to electronic and underground club/dance music, jazz, funk and soul, the Jamaican diaspora, and more avant-garde/experimental leaning compositions and productions. Also, a whole archive of live shows and documentaries too that are really cool.

Radio 1 is mostly shit and lost it's last shred of decency when John Peel died.
1xtra was decent back when it was first created to compete with pirate stations playing the newest homegrown urban and dance music, but now it's mostly just American trap rap and shitty EDM.

Radio 2 is doctor's office music for 40 year old mums.

wertyuiop[]

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I would be hugely thankful if someone could add Giulini's Vienna Bruckner 8 to one of the folders.

>>69352139
Looks to be on rutracker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W4PJUOeVYw

What are some of your favourite organ pieces and recordings?

>>69350868

Because there has been historically a great emphasis on music in Germany.
Italy is another good example of that.
Start giving a shitload of money to good composers and eventually istitutions devoted to creation of music (such as conservatories) will arise.
Do it for 4 hundred years and you will come out with Beethoven.

>>69352376

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on5CgKHbd9Y

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>>69352376

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>>69352376
This recording is positively microtonal in places

>>69350868
>germany?
More like """germany"""

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Is the classical section of this chart accurate?

>>69353048
it's just a mix of CLT's and Poly's list it seems

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>>69353048
not bad. I would drop the perotin for something modern like pic related

also should be in chronological order:

Ockeghem, Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Schoenberg

>>69353556
>I would drop the perotin for something modern like pic related
Why?

>>69353048
It's shit

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>>69353567
already 1 vocal album from the early gothic-renaissance period, and no modern represented.

I would personally swap the Ockeghem for Palestrina (pic) but thats just me.

>>69353586
>schubert, bach, mozart, perotin, beethoven
>shit
wew

>>69353658
The recordings are terrible save for the Ockegem and Perotin.

>>69353700
The Art of the Fugue and the Requiem are really great recordings though

>>69353725
>chamber performance of a keyboard work
>Gardiner
>great
>representing Mozart with "his" requiem

>>69353741
>Art of Fugue
>a keyboard work
lel

>>representing Mozart with "his" requiem
What did he mean by this?

Remember in Twilight where they talked about Debussy

>>69353757
>>Art of Fugue
>>a keyboard work
(You)

>>69353725
they are great recordings, and Mozart's requiem is his most accessible work, and a good entry point, problem is its largely not written by him.

>>69353767
It's unspecified though, still don't get what's wrong with Gardiners Requiem

>>69353781
>Public performance radically changes the way music is heard and, indeed, the way it is played. We can see how works can become misunderstood through the conviction that all music is public by the idiotic program notes that now inevitably accompany almost any performance of Bach’s Art of Fugue, as a whole or in part, and perpetuate the early twentieth- century legend that this work is abstract thought, written for no specified instruments. This is non-sense, as it was intended like another educational work, the Well- Tempered Klavier, for two hands at a keyboard (this was well understood throughout the nineteenth century)— what keyboard was, indeed, not spelled out for either collection because they are works intended to be played at home on whatever keyboard you owned— clavichord, harpsichord, small portable organ or early pianoforte (in his last years Bach was a supporter of silbermann’s manufacture of pianos, and even helped to sell them). Bach had the four- part counterpoint of the Art of the Fugue printed on four staves as that made it easier to study— and even to perform at that time for any competent keyboard player, as most could then read proficiently from score. The manuscript, however, was written on two staves and looks no different from The Well- Tempered Klavier (in proper english, The Well- Tempered Keyboard) or, indeed, any later piano piece.

>>69353781
Nothing wrong with that requiem recording. Some people just dislike conductors they've heard of before.

That art of fugue recording is the definitive recording imo. Some argue that its a keyboard work and you should never play it on strings, but the truth is its probably an organ work, and playing each part on a separate string instrument allows you to clearly hear each part, and for the parts to be played with maximum accuracy - as the players dont have to worry about playing 4 different parts at once.

Large portions of the musica antiqua koln art of fugue are harpsichord which the >chamber performance of a keyboard work fags seem to forget.

Art of Fugue recordings utilizing:
>harpsichord
>organ
>piano
>chamber
Which is better?

>>69353786
>it was intended like another educational work
what better way to learn from it than to hear each part played separately? thats how Haydn and Mozart learned from Bach fugues - by having them played on a string quartet in their sunday sitting room fugue sessions

Why not post the part where Rosen says that to perform art of fugue you need to mix up the instrumentation?

whether you like it or not, the musica antiqua koln version gives a warmth, diversity and clarity to art of fugue not found in other recordings.

>>69353797
>Large portions of the musica antiqua koln art of fugue are harpsichord
https://rbt.asia/mu/thread/S60771197#p60789188
We've had this argument for far too many threads.
It's a keyboard work.

>>69353826
>An arrangement for several instruments, however, would have been unthinkable during the composer’s lifetime, as many of the fugues are written in what was called “antique style,” an alla breve texture that was never used at that time for anything except choral music or a solo keyboard. Concerted fugal style, like the last movement of the Brandenburg Concerto no. 5, on the other hand, was a dif f erent matter altogether. That is why a performance of the antique style six- voice ricercar from Bach’s Musical Of f ering on six early eighteenth- century Baroque instruments is no more authentic or correct than the idiosyncratic but beautifully original arrangement by Anton von Webern, as this fugue was intended only for two hands at a keyboard (most likely a silbermann piano-forte, as it was the favorite keyboard instrument of Frederick the Great, who ordered the fugue— he had sixteen of these instruments).

Is Adorno worth reading, outside of his meme opinion on jazz?

>The phantasma of Bach's ontology arises through an act of force mechanically performed by Philistines, whose sole desire is to neutralize art since they lack the capacity to comprehend it.
What did he mean by this?

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>tfw still definitive version of Bach's art of fugue

Some people can't form their own opinions and prefer to copy-paste pianists

>>69353896
https://rbt.asia/mu/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=fuck+off+poly

>>69353819
Piano > organ > harpsichord >>>> chamber
Are there any decent recordings on a clavichord?

>>69353919

>>69353819

harpsichord>piano>organ>>>chamber

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>>69353826

>tfw you have not spen a good chunk of your childhood with Haydn

It's not fair.

Does /classical/ like Tom & Jerry?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNEscKxvpFE

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>>69353048
>requiem

>>69354902
>>69354902
>cartoon

how about you get the fuck out and never comeback you stupid idiot manchild bitch leave now and never return this is a serious thread for serious listeners

>representing Mozart with the requiem he didn't write most of instead of his piano concerti
Disgusting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aUL7GuUFfg

>>69356503
i would be hard-pressed to choose between his piano concertos and his operas. for any essential classical chart both should be included anyway.

i just heard the first work by debussy that i actually enjoy: images, book 1 (i kinda like the preludes as well). favorite recordings please?

>>69356861
Michelangeli for sure. He's a pretty good pick for most Debussy, actually.

>>69356407
t. manchild

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCuL-K39eQ

>>69357644
>>69356407
>>69354902
Golden age cartoons are a genuinely good way for getting into great music at an early age.

>>69357644
2^spooped

>>69354902
yeah

https://vimeo.com/161359411

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>poly mysteriously disappears after getting BTFO about the AoF again

>>69353869
There's a collection of his writing on music called "Quasi una fantasia" which was interesting reading. It combined his essays from a Philosophy of Modern Music with other stuff (including a transcript of a talk about Mahler which was quite interesting).

Not sure I'd recommend In Search of Wagner, since it came off more as Adorno going off on a rant about Wagner than anything else. There was a funny intro by Zizek in one of the editions I read which improved it somewhat.

>>69358404
poly can fuck right off and not come back

>>69358817
I strongly support this notion.

>Siegmund in the '53 Krauss sings "Siegmund bin ich" first instead of "Siegmund heiss ich"

Don't know how I didn't notice that before

>>69359780
Yes, and Windgassen flubs all over the place in Siegfried. Almost constantly ahead or behind the orchestra. Though, to his credit, he was probably having some stage fright since it was his debut I believe.

>>69359886
Bayreuth probably didn't help much with that either.

(assuming you're Wagner-anon, or at least someone knowledgeable) Any recommendations for recorded productions of Tannhauser or Lohengrin? I've spent not really ventured into pre-Ring Wagner

what's some good /classical/ for when you've accidentally given a professed nihilist feelings for you?

>>69360555
go and huff some glue and then listen to Erwartung whilst role-playing as the corpse.

>>69360555
what did he mean by this? elaborate.

Classical is kind of boring imo. There aren't any compositions half as interesting as the stuff you can find in video games and visual novels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZWd_7Ud-Lc (This is GOD TIER)

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>>69356861
paul jacobs

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>>69360935
ok

>>69360321
Not wagner-anon, (definitely not as knowledgeable) but if you are looking for a recent recording, Marek Janowkski's Tannhäuser is pretty good. Avoid the Solti meme recording at all cost.

Reincken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEZXLbfl_QE

>>69353048
>Brendels Beethoven

Gross

>>69361122
I was looking for visual recordings of productions, I've got plenty of old meme recordings with all the GOAT Wagnerians on my computer but I kind of want to watch a production before going for those.

Can I have debussy/ravel chart pls ?

>>69351374
It's true. It's all true.

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/ourguy/

>>69352376
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfH_3FOnoD4

>>69352376
With Christmas coming, might as well.

https://youtu.be/kT3Ya-QiKHA

>>69361497
Try Colin Davis' Tannhauser

>>69361497
I think there is a nice '72 Tannhäuser Bayreuth video recording in the opera video mega. Not sure if I uploaded Lohengrin to that.

>>69358817
I'd trade you for Poly any day.

K. 563 is awesome

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Ferneyhough and Birtwistle are the only real composers working today. RIP Boulez. RIP Henze. RIP Koellreutter.

Fuck Carter, Rorem, Vasks, Aho, Hovhaness, Segerstam, Gubaidulina, Pettersson, Babbitt, Lutosławski, Kurtág, Rihm, Lachenmann, Dallapiccola, Wuorinen et al. All trash.

Cage deserves more credit. Bartók, Xenakis, Wellesz, Martinů, Bacewicz, Ives, and Shostakovich are the best 20th century composers. Baroque is the best era by far.

Disagreement is fine, but if you haven't heard something from every composer mentioned in this post, you should kill yourself. Refrain from posting until you have.

That's my two cents. Peace.

>>69364542
dont hate on Rihm, he's cool

>>69364542
Hello avant-teen

>>69364542
>hating on Carter, Aho, Rihm, Kurtag, and Wuorinen
>liking Ives and Martinu
The only person who should kill themselves here is you.

>>69349464
>CIA agent

He is a big guy

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>>69364542
>Messiaen, Stravinsky, Schönberg, Schaeffer, Stockhausen not mentioned

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>>69364856
>Stockhausen

>>69364856
lol

>>69364764
>liking Carter and Wuorinen

Nah, you should definitely gas yourself.

I'm dumb as bricks so I'm going to ask a dumb as bricks question.

Seriously. How do you guys even enjoy classical music? For example how do you guys feel listening to this?
>>69352376
or this?
>>69356503

Does it make you think about the things in your life? Or do you just really enjoy the melody? I honest to goodness don't get it. When I listen to Haydn's string quartets it makes me feel whimsical but then I just feel autistic. I'm serious, help, /classical/.
I don't know if this counts but this seems to be the only thing I can enjoy. It's straightforward.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKVnL9JvuO8

>>69365302
This website is for individuals above the age of 18 years.

>>69360935
>I'm a retard

You could have just said that. Also fuck off retard.

>>69365123
>not liking Carter and Wuorinen
>thinking Ives is good
It's ok if you don't like American music poly.

>>69360935
pls tell me this guy isn't serious.

>>69365318

Come on. I'm really trying to get the appeal of classical.

>>69365486
Try this.
https://youtu.be/0yd5EE0hAB8

Listen to the lines intertwine amongst each other in a pleasant motion.

>>69365486
how old are you

>>69364542
I would suggest:
>Norgård
>Buene
>Abrahamsen
>Aperghis
>Wallin
>Takemitsu

>>69365486
The appeal is that it sounds good and still does years later.

>>69364542
>Baroque is the best era by far.
>believing in a Baroque era
>"

>The efficacy of a tradition, however, can be weakened by swamping it with a host of minor figures, and we have seen this happen in our time. The fashion for Baroque music has awakened the interest of recording companies and concert societies, and the novelty of an unknown figure has a brief commercial interest. A brilliant essay by Theodor Adorno mocked the way the taste for Baroque style reduced Bach to the status of Telemann, obliterated the difference between the extraordinary and the conventional. Concerts of music by Locatelli, Albinoni, or Graun are bearable only for those music lovers for whom period style is more important than quality."

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>>69365526
>Takemitsu

>>69365555
nice digits
too bad your post is awful

>>69365557
I am ok with pretty music, I don't think contemporary music has to be hyper-complex at all times. I also like Messiaen so that might explain it.

>>69365579
t. philistine

>>69365302
I generally believe everyone has that one piece which made them fall in love with classical music and once you start down that road, it basically takes over your listening since there's always something else that grabs your attention.

>>69365622
go to bed adorno
and stop shilling your stupid ideas
there's a reason no one agrees with you

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Post Gesualdo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w158o5Dfr6w

>>69365684
t. jazz fan

>>69365701
jazz is good

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>>69365555
>Talking shit about period style and researched reenactments

>>69365691
Petzold > Gesualdo

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>>69365717
>historicism

>>69365729
Gesualdo > Petzold > Bach >Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rJTnQhKmOE

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when did classical music get co-opted by hipsters?

http://www.bach-cantatas.com/LCY/M&C-Christmas.htm

>The established polyphonic motet opening Introit Psalm setting in Bach’s time in Leipzig for the three-day Christmas Festival was:The Introit Psalm for Christmas Day was Psalm 92, Bonum est confiteri (It is a good thing to give thanks unto the Lord, KJV), says Richard Petzoldt in Bach Commentary, Vol. 2, Advent to Trinityfest.

>Petzoldt

Meme magic

>>69365506
English isn't my first language so I might sound underage.

I think what I don't get is how you'd enjoy something that goes from sounding calm to sounding intense the next, and sounding calm again and then intense. Some pieces are like that, right? And sometimes there's barely any consistent melody, just sounds random.

I hope my post is coherent enough.

>>69365918
Most of those are almost certainly music students.

>>69365950
>And sometimes there's barely any consistent melody, just sounds random.

Yeah, fugues tend to go that way because the theme is made to be fugitive and the voices are made to be interesting to play between the occurrences of said theme. The latter causes the piece to be less about melody and more about texture.

>>69365918
where are the hipsters in that picture

>>69350868
Why was ancient Greece so important in the beginning of art music, but Xenakis is the only relevant Greek composer outside of Greece? Why didn't they do anything?

>>69365526
>no Rautavaara

>>69366271
I think the Ottomans are vaguely to blame.

Do you like Tchaikovsky's 5th symphony?

>>69366386
He's dead...

>>69366676
I also realize now that so is Takemitsu and I just didn't remember...

>>69366625
Yes.

>>69366818
Thanks for sharing, friend. I really like the second movement, I think it is very beautiful.

>>69367048
It's a pretty good symphony. Out of all of his I only really like 5 and 6. 4 is just obnoxious to me, and 3-1 are pretty forgettable.

What are the best songs for getting a normie into classical?

>>69367102
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItSJ_woWnmk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTE08SS8fNk

>>69367102
Beethoven's Appassionata sonata, finale

>>69367102
trump

this is the worst general on /mu/

>>69368551
cry more

>>69368551
t. musically illiterate philistine

What are good live performances of Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen operas?

What are the best Strauss pieces?

>>69370069
>Strauss
Which one?

>>69370082

Richard.

>>69370214
also sprach zarathustra

>>69370886

Yeah, besides that.

Are the tone poems conducted by Karajan a good place to start?

>>69352432
That's a really bad interpretation for the instrument. There's no reverberation whatsoever in the room and the organ sounds like a cheap electronic. Although Newman is a great organist, Drawing the chamade and reeds was a huge mistake, especially in a room with absolutely no reverberation. I'm an organbuilder and hearing that instrument is like nails on a chalkboard: it's a good performance, only on an organ that has all the compassion and nuance of being beaten repeatedly in the face with a shovel. Here's a better version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yWtmXQ3EsU .

>>69352572
Some organs have subsemitones (e.g. the Stanford Fisk), but this one doesn't. Still, it can be really strange to hear the difference between f-sharp and g-flat in a meantone temperment.

>>69362959
Neat instrument and good performance. While I think his self-seriousness in performance bordered on the ostentatious, it sounded damn good.

This is my field and a nice instrument, so I'm going to be critical of it because organbuilding autism. From a technical standpoint I think it's a waste to put barker levers on all three manuals of an instrument that size instead of just on the Grand-Orgue, but the presence of Octaves Graves levers could necessitate their usage on all manuals. The use of Anches Grand Orgue is ahistorical for an instrument of that size, and could be replaced with Appel des Jeux de Combinasion Grand-Orgue, which would be more useful for historical performance practice. It's a fantastic organ and well-suited to the repertoire. If any people want me to explain any of this technobabble please let me know.

>>69363138
Daquin is wonderful (I'm playing his Noel VI at a concert this weekend), although keep in mind that he's playing in a very romantic way. That's not bad per se, but here's a more classical interpretation by Michel Chapuis so you get a more "standard" version on an excellent organ to boot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rafhfQDIaA (starts ~8:28).

>tfw no one on /classical/ knows about the secret /classical/ on the secret /mu/

Do you guys realize that you are talking with the most pleb anons in the world? They have not been selected yet for the real /mu/

>>69360693
i talked to her about nothing for 3 months and now she has HUMAN FEELINGS again

o i am laffin

>>69364542
Lera Auerbach, John Psathas, Antony Ritchie and Haas tho

>>69358404
Copy-pasting a pianists opinions from 1971 doesn't constitute winning an argument - especially an argument about interpretation. Interpretation by definition isn't set in stone.
I'm assuming all those quotes are from Rosen's the classical style, I haven't really bothered to check. Maybe if he was a musicologist specializing in baroque music his option would have more weight.

>>69366271
Because the Greeks today have nothing to do with the ancient Greeks. Greece is in fact a typical shitty Balkan country, their connection to the cradle of western civilization is WE WUZ KINGS tier.

>>69364542
Cerha is easily the best composer of the last decades

>>69370069
>>69370902
elektra, salome, ariadne auf naxos, frau ohne schatten, vier letzte lieder.

>>69360935
dont mock my vn music :(
https://youtu.be/XRi7T4Lh6Rk

>>69369094
the karl boehm cycle.

>>69364542
>Rihm
I mean I know this is a joke post, but come on... Rihm is easily 10 top contemporary classical.
https://youtu.be/EJMaNSppMG0

>>69352572
https://youtu.be/0akGtDPVRxk

>>69371666
I'm a big fan of the organ but I have no musical education and things tend to be very hit and miss for me. I love Widor and you can't go wrong with Bach because they are very fluid - seems like they always have a clear theme that builds up in most of their works. I haven't found much else like that though. Some pieces by Reger, Boelmann's suite Gothique and Holst's Jupiter rendered for the organ come to mind. Do you have any other recommendations?

>>69371801
Wow who would have thought that edgy phases end whenever the opposite sex gives you attention.

Does this count?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv2GgV34qIg

>>69373055

No, obviously

Moar like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f0cR9sm7LM

>>69373099
Download the soundtrack to the 2008 motion picture "Twilight".

>>69373116
rude

>>69373131
It may be rude, but also true.

>>69373145
>Twilight
No it is not

are brandenburg concertos good

>>69373308
of course they are.

>tfw you love free jazz but you know that Beethoven would have hated it

Feels bad for John Coltrane and Bill Evans

>>69374055
Beethoven literally invented jazz with his second movement of the piano sonata no. 32 you fucking pleb.

>>69374196

>Beethoven
>being fine with people improvising live

That's pretty much the antithesis of the common practice period.

>>69373347
is this a meme recording?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScgFj9jBjvw

>>69374834
The ultimate meme recording of the brandenburgs, no doubt about it

>>69374642
wrong

poo :)

>>69374642

sauce pls I want to read on the topic

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remember to be nice to Alice Sara Ott

>>69375237
no

>>69374642
>what is a cadenza

>>69374961
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/artists/how-beethoven-redesigned-the-cadenza---twice/

There's lots of academic discussion about this subject but I don't know a good summary. Improvisation was expected in small doses in the classical and baroque period but things became more fixed in the romantic era. Beethoven probably didn't like most people improvising on his works but he was a very skilled improvisor himself.

>>69375237
who?

>>69375371
>Beethoven probably didn't like most people improvising on his works
dunno about overall, but he seemed perfectly ok with letting Franz Clément premiere his Violin Concerto and handling all the cadenzas via improvisation

>>69372502
this is trash bro

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>>69370214
His operas

>>69375955
for the nth time, OPERA ISN'T MUSIC

>>69371904
>can't argue against what he said
>doesn't even know where it's from (Freedom and the Arts)
>resorts to ad hom attacks
kek

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>>69375990
Your posts aren't good.

>>69349464
Who organised those shitty mega upload folders? Why are the tags so inconsistent? Why do so many of the .rars include both flac and mp3? If I wanted the mp3, I'd just convert the flac, there's no reason to include both other than to make the download needlessly large.

>>69376030
ditto

>>69376049
if you're not going to fix them yourself shut the hell up

>Holst
When will this meme end?

>>69376861
When the anglos finally disappear, which will be soon, thankfully.

>>69373145
so is gingers being non-white mongrels but we don't bring that up CLT

>>69372615
the musical equivalent of Jeb Bush

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>>69377097
>implying the recount of WI won't show Jeb! win by landslide
>implying this won't trigger a nationwide recount
>implying Jeb! won't take it all
SLOW AND STEADY ANON

SLOW AND STEADY WINS THE RACE!

>>69376877
We can only hope.

Petroc Trelawny is a hack

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>>69375501
the greatest piano virtuoso of our time

>>69378399
She's pretty good in the Chopin waltzes. Not bad in the Liszt etudes, the rest of her stuff is fairly forgettable.

dudes, what are some comfy ballets?

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>>69378503
you're fairly forgettable

>>69378593
>chinaman
>making art
"no"

>>69378763
>half german/japanese

shes a top-tier waifu faggot

>>69349825
>>69349985

He sounds like a space alien trying to figure out how to sound like Chopin

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Did boulez genuinely like Mahler or did he just recorded his symphonies for commercial purposes ?

>>69378763
>German national
>chinaman

really makes you think

>>69378903
yes, he liked actually liked Mahler's music

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>>69378903
https://vimeo.com/5280231

>>69379007
>>69378963
>>69378903
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfLoQ1fDvEQ

>>69378963
it's kinda odd honestly. He originally talked shit about Mahler.

About Mahler 2nd: Claude Debussy ostensibly left the room during the first Parisian, and declared: "Let's open our eyes (and close our ears) ... French taste will never admit these pneumatic giants to any honor except to serve as a claim to Bibendum . "

Could have been a Boulez quote if you ask me. Don't get me wrong I love Mahler...I just don't get why he would change his mind given the older he was the more "radical" his compositions were.

>>69378868
Half human can only produce half art.
>>69378933
shut up gook

>>69379096
stop being racist

>>69379068
>the older he was the more "radical" his compositions were.
That's just because he phoned it in and didn't even try to do anything artistic, tasteful or that made sense.

>>69379105
You can't be racist against non-humans idiot

>>69379105
Shut up womeme.

>>69379121
they are human and you should care for your fellow man

>>69379143
bug people are not human

>>69379108
I still don't undersand wtf the man was about. A pretty large amount of commercial recordings (Schonberg, Berg, Webern, Bartok, Debussy...), shit loads of money given to him by the french governement for....what ? And then Mahler and Bruckners 8 for whatever reason.

>>69349825
I thought so too, but in the meantime I can acknowledge his merits. I think without him Jazz hadn't evolved in the way it did, concerning the colours. It would have stopped at Ragtime and Blues or Duke Ellington at best

>>69379179
>for....what ?
for his Ensemble InterContemporain and IRCAM

>>69352399
I think it's more because of the German culture itself, not because of supporting it financially. It#s the same with the German philosophy, it's because the German language drives people to think in a certain way.

>>69379241
Yes. I know. He was given millions for this. But again for what ?

>>69361355
this. Either Backhaus, Kempff or Schiff in this order

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>>69379270
>Schiff

>>69379270
Gilels imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9ftbVi28TU

>>69379297
I like him playing Beethoven like he plays Bach. Beethoven did think a lot like Bach I guessed, but most pianists play him too romanticly

>>69379312
ok gonna check it out

>>69379325
>Schiff's Bach

Still obsessed with K491

>>69379363
yeah what about it

>>69379439
it's shit

>>69379444
could you at least elaborate why? I like it

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Is this man the biggest cuck in music history ?

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>>69379466
>listening to baroque on piano

if you're going to be a degenerate at least to someone decent like Perahia

>>69379532
what's wrong with a piano, if Bach had one he would have played on it. But I'll check out your tip

>>69379630
Bach did have a piano and he said it was for morons.

>>69379649
I didn't even know that, but I can understand it since good pianos didn't emerge until Mozart's/Beethoven's time, and even then they had many faults. But in the 19th century the piano became a virtually flawless instrument

>>69379630
>if

Bach helped pioneer the modern piano. Historical shit is limited, and was only used because it was the best thing they had at the time, not because it's actually good. I don't know how many times I have to say this but the memers still appear anyway.

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>>69349825

>>69379686
so what's your point? why shouldn't you play Bach on piano today?

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Which composer was the most mentally unstable?

>>69379720
I didn't say you shouldn't you fucking nigger

>>69379735
so what's your fucking point? shut the fuck up, asshole

>>69379720
because it wasn't written for piano
because pianos sound like shit

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do you guys have a good chart for beginners? I have this one but I was told it was shit

>>69379466
>historicist plebs complaining about the piano
Schiff's Bach is very stiff and mediocre.

>>69379758
yeah pretty sure you're either trolling or just stupid. Just because the instrument he would have ideally used wasn't invented yet doesn't mean you can't play it on one if it exists now. In your opinion, we should use organs from the 17th century as well?

>>69379837
it's not piano music
go cry about it

>>69379733
Rott, he pulled a gun on a train and claimed Brahms had filled the train with dynamite.

>>69379874
things evolve and some people are stupid and get left behind, deal with it

>>69379733
Schumann, he died in an asylum

reminder that Wagner stole all of his ideas from Liszt

>>69379808
>listen to Brandenberg Concertos
>pretty boring
>kind of gives me a headache

I guess it's back to pop for me huh..

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>>69379733
Shakespeare

> Jean-Joseph Cassanéa De Mondonville - Titon et l'Aurore
> Heinrich Ignaz Franz Biber - Arminio

>>69379920
if you want instant and superficial joy go with pop, if you want music that needs to be discovered and give you to think about for years, go with classical

>>69379921
>that pic and it's name

Made me chuckle for some reasons.

>>69379954
I like the idea of beautiful complex music that will impress and astound me for years, with artistry, beauty, and intelligent writing unseen in popular music, but so far in practice it just hasn't clicked with me, though I have faith in it.

>>69380009
it's because pop music spoiled your patience, I guess. Maybe you choose the wrong pieces because you want to dig into it like a chore.
Here are some good things I think even a beginner likes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSWwn6fNaGI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5favl2Qtx0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqdcnNYROLo

Sibelius is great, right?

>>69380102
the composer or the program?

>>69380102
no
Nielsen and Sibelius are two peas in a pod
litmus test for bad taste

>>69380115
Composer but the program seemed OK too I've heard. Is it still active?

>>69380053
>midi

unforgivable

>>69380241
it's not midi, look closer before shitposting

>>69380053
Thanks for the suggestions, the second one is especially beautiful, its nice to watch all the notes converge together to bring this great whole.

>>69380742
if you listen to classical music more often, this is what you have in your head eventually

>>69379892
>claimed Brahms had filled the train with dynamite
how do you know he didn't

>>69380742
I like watching those smalin videos for fugues since the different voices are color coded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddbxFi3-UO4

>>69381255
Beethoven 9/2 is kinda like a fugue, too

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>>69349464
Is Jeux the most patrician work of the 20th century?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXSWFlwX9a4

How can the serial cucks even compete?

>>69382287
>using the word "patrician" while shilling a meme composer

you're pretty stupid

>>69382387
>claims memes can't be patrician

FPMIU

Are there any good works for solo flute?

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Is there any value to learning to play this way? The soundboard should be louder without a clamp on it but nobody does this. The guy on top doesn't even have a single fine tuner so I'm not sure efficiency is part of his reasoning.

>>69372669
If you like Widor, you'll probably like Dupre, his successor at Saint-Sulpice. If you want to go a little more contemporary, Alain, Durufle, and Langlais are French composers you want to check out.


Daniel Roth's improvisations at Sacre-Coeur are fantastic, as he knows the instrument well and uses it to the full extent of its dynamic range. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FINXfL_xXW0

Vierne, Mulet, and Gulimant were rough contemporaries to Widor and are worth checking out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbOmnFU3MvY&list=PLGWB1Dzbmv34hlc5G-HiZNdccDsDK1Rao

I like the recordings of Krebs at Weingarten, The organ, built by Joseph Gabler, has a place in local legends; it is quite literally a legendary instrument, and is unique in the fact that it's entirely mechanical but spread around six windows. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cHwsMWksSw

That should be enough to get you started.

>>69382568
only ferneyhough

>>69382568
some sonatas by Bach

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albums similar to this?

>>69382568
Debussy - Syrinx
Scelsi - Pwyll, Quays
Varese - Density 21-5
Telemann 12 Fantasies
Berio - Sequenza 1
CPE Bach - Solo flute sonata
Mantovani - Fruh

>>69379837
I get your point anon, but we do use organs from the 17th century (see: St. Jacobi, 1693 Arp Schnitger).

>>69378903
Mahler's 6th symphony is his favorite symphony period, I think.

If those recordings sound phoned in, try listening to his earlier live recordings with his BBC orchestra, they're a helluva lot different. A lot of people associate Boulez with this "cold" and "objective" style. Well, it isn't always true; the young him could be a very romantic conductor sometimes.

>>69379068
>He originally talked shit about Mahler.
To be fair Boulez talked shit about everyone. Even composers he liked.

>[Boulez] placed Stravinsky in his neoclassical period at the head of the “useless.” He accused Schoenberg, after his death, of the “most ostentatious and obsolete romanticism.” Webern was “too simple.” Berg suffered from “bad taste,” Ravel from “affectation.” Twelve-tone music in its extant form was overrun by “number-fanatics” who engaged in “frenetic arithmetic masturbation.” Boulez’s teacher, Olivier Messiaen, produced “brothel music.” John Cage, who was at one time an ally of Boulez, became a “performing monkey,” and Karlheinz Stockhausen, likewise, a “hippie.” The American minimalists displayed a “supermarket aesthetic,” the American serialists had a “cashier’s point of view.” Brahms was a “bore,” Tchaikovsky “abominable,” Verdi “stupid, stupid, stupid!” And so on.

>>69382911
maybe I should have been more precise: we do not have problems using modern organs for baroque organ pieces

>>69382849
any recordings of de rore and a fair portion of lassus

>>69382942
That's fair, although due to the fact that most organs are completely unique we can run into some problems with the sheer perscriptivism of French baroque literature.

>>69382925
he's not wrong on most of that

>>69382925
The only thing i don't agree on him on is Stravinsky and Brahms

make new thread

>>69383247

>>69382925
>The American minimalists displayed a “supermarket aesthetic,”
fucking nailed it desu