post the least punk thing a punk musician has ever done ht

>>69300687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mSE-Iy_tFY

NO TRUMP
NO KKK
NO FASCIST USA

>>69300745
Joan Jett is not punk

>>69300745
No good songs other than "I remember".

>>69300687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGEXLWNccBM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtqQU5kof7k

>>69300733
Yeah I was just gonna say, OP isn't even the least punk thing Lydon's ever done.

>>69300733
You do realise that he used the proceeds from this commercial to fund another PiL album.

But on second thought, that's not very punk either.

Billy Idol in general really

https://youtu.be/sYYAv-QW38Q

>>69300813
get on my level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qgx4l54cnfY

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http://www.nme.com/news/music/green-day-6-1190983

Punk as f***!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLGFyxAP0QE
this one makes me sick and i don't even like trump

>>69300883
he also admitted to spending $10k on shitty free-to-play iPad games a few years back

being a cynical punk doesn't make you any less impulsive

>>69300954
billy idol was always just riding the punk wave on his quest to become a popstar anyway

>>69301028
kathleen hanna was always dumb as fuck and had a high-schooler's level of political awarneess
tobi vail was the only cool member of bikini kill

>>69301028
This was honestly heartbreaking to watch, like how can you be so fucking happy about a neoliberal babykiller that you've gotta make a shit song out of it, and at the same time pretend that it's a fucking positive thing?

>>69300813
i love henry rollins

>>69301028
>ratings hidden
>comments disabled

We have people like this to thank for our fascist president.

>>69301138
i think she's just a fucking simpleton honestly, looking back she never really had anything insightful to say, but it's still really sad to see her so shamelessly prostitute herself like this

>>69301155
i largely don't like trump but calling him a fascist puts you on the same level as that video, cut it out

>>69300954
>billy idol
>punk

>>69300687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hzQsvxtLTM

>>69301155
the comments and ratings got disabled after a shitload of le tigre/bikini kill fans shat all over the band for making that song and supporting clinton

>>69301319
nah generation x was a punk band, not a very good one, but he definitely started punk which makes what he went on to do that much more embarrassing

living your life how the fuck you want to is the most punk thing you could do though

That Clinton endorsement of Le Tigre obviously
Green Day's affiliation with a fucking musical
Misfits in general: they're just the KISS of punkrock. KISS sucks.
MOST OF ALL: Dead Kennedys ditching Jello Biafra over that fucking Levis commercial shit lmao

>>69301525
biafra is an absolute madman, i'll forgive him for that

John Lydon doing a TV advert for butter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mSE-Iy_tFY

He also appeared on a reality TV show with a bunch of other D-list celebs, being humiliated in a jungle

>>69301557
it's not Jello being the sellout. Im talking about the remaining members of DK. fucking assholes. They're still touring too, lol.

>>69301028
this is honestly the worst song i've ever heard in my life

>>69301672
nicki minaj's stupid hoe is even worse musically, don't fool yourself

>>69301688
>midlessly hating on nicki
she's more talented than a lot of people /mu/ likes to circlejerk over

>>69301688
there's more to a song than just the music
this one is soul crushing if you were a fan of their music before

>>69301754
Nicki has BAD music. However, she has spitting skills. I'll give her that.

>>69301796
agreed
still better than this el tigre shit though

>>69301688
lol, what does this have to do with anything, it's like you just exploded in white rage over something completely unrelated

>>69301796
she is very talented no question, she's usually great on features, but her own music is mostly terrible in spite of all that

>>69301796
yah, she probably could have had a low key career as a mid level rapper if she wanted to

why is it so hard for all these OG 70s punks to age with some dignity?

i was watching some recent interviews with the damned a while ago and i found myself legit surprised that those guys have managed to remain as smart, authentic and sensible(heh) as they were way back in the day while damn-near every other one of their contemporaries have turned into drugged-out or sold-out jokes. it shouldn't be that way.
how did so many of these people who were all about doing away with the cliches of rockstardom end up fulfilling every single one of those cliches?

also, the damned were the best of the original UK punk bands

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K59IBGNrR4

>>69301864
because a lot of them actually had very little in common with the culture their music spawned in practice
the sex pistols were just an edgy boy band, the ramones were just an inept and aggressive but otherwise completely standard rock band etc

>>69301078
That sounds punk as fuck to me tho

>>69300687
Nah, watch the whole thing, Rotten stays his punk self throughout. Even Judy herself mentions that while he's kinda loudmouthed and outspoken, he's still sensible and honest. Like it doesn't get more punk than that.

>>69300733
I was pretty mad with everyone's reaction to when this first came out, too. Motherfuckers act like they know Johnny and that he's being hypocritical, but he's not for fuck's sake he's not Sid Vicious. Lydon has forever been a critic of the worst aspects of humanity. Sure more people remember his "anti-establishment" based rhetoric more, but he has also always shitted on his working class roots, too for example for often being lazy good for nothing losers. Dude's much smarter than people give him credit for despite his personal flaws. But he's always been anti-unethical bullshit rather than anti-establishment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQNoeU5G40U

>>69302034
>Even Judy herself mentions that while he's kinda loudmouthed and outspoken
Probably scripted.

>>69300723
kek'd

>>69301864
Billy Bragg is a great example of an aged dignified activist. Don't particularly like his music but I respect him for that.

>>69302034
>but he has also always shitted on his working class roots, too for example for often being lazy good for nothing losers.
i also hope he's smart enough to avoid blanketing an economic class with such blanket assertions

Iggy Pop has been doing nothing but embarrassing himself for like 40 years now. Too much shit to list desu.

>>69301864
>how did so many of these people who were all about doing away with the cliches of rockstardom end up fulfilling every single one of those cliches?

Most of them weren't about doing away with the cliches of rockstardom though. The anti-60s posturing was in most cases just that: posturing for the sake of being more marketable to the kids who couldn't stomach Genesis or The Rolling Stones but still wanted to listen to 'edgy' rock music.
In reality both the bands and the critics loved all those cliches, they loved the drama, they loved the drugs, they loved the self-mythologizing, they loved the murders and/or suicides a la Vicious/Curtis, they loved the cookie-cutter political posturing a la The Clash and so on.

The Damned fucked themselves over by just focusing on being great songwriters and great performers instead of trying to develop some sort of mystique or controversy around them.
Joe Strummer was a far bigger clown than either Dave Vanian or Captain Sensible(both of whom actively relished in being clowns onstage), but he was the sort of pretentious and grandiose clown that Rolling Stone magazine and the NME would actually allow themselves to take seriously, so The Clash have ended up being "the only band that matters" and The Damned have ended up being a cult band. It sucks, but what can you do.

And yeah, I agree with your assessment of The Damned managing to age with grace. I actually had the chance to meet Vanian a couple of years back and he really still is a fucking great dude.

>>69302299
He's been that way even outside of JJ though (those pedo allegations that he laid back in 1978...that turned out to actually be true is the one thing I always think of.) That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if he did ham it up a bit considering it's an arbitration based TV show. Not to mention that the actual case work had him won already though I am not sure if the guys know about the result when being filmed.


>>69302404
He isn't blanketing though. I even mentioned that he looks at the worst of each side, meaning that he's not blanketing. Look up his exacting wordings, you can see he's not blanketing. You're the only one who's claiming that he's blanketing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyRDDOpKaLM

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>>69302404
>blanketing an economic class with such blanket assertions

>>69302545
Kek'd

>>69301525
>Misfits in general: they're just the KISS of punkrock
t h i s

bob geldof in general

>>69301864
>>69302426
theres a bit in get in the van where rollins is talking about a time in the early 80s when black flag was touring the united kingdom and playing at some punk festival that also had the damned on the bill
flag's van died and left them in the middle of nowhere with no way to get to london, and the damned ended up being the only band to offer to drive them to london in their tour bus
i always thought that was really cool of them

>>69300687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fj94Khq_w4

He's so much of a fucking idiot that I almost like him.

>>69302887
ive seen this guy before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fayRZBZONz8

>>69302986
Yeah, this is what I mean in that he takes being ridiculed in good spirit. Definitely stupid and obnoxious but has at least some ironic self-awareness.

>>69300723
fpbp

>>69302550
kek

>>69301864
>the damned were the best of the original UK punk bands

The best fucking band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ76LC_l8yk

That time Green Day did a show for some iheartradio event and had the most pathetic melt down ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99PwfIzMzr0

They are the mall department store brand name of punk.

>>69304990
http://www.nme.com/news/music/green-day-6-1190983

The Goo Goo Dolls
>everything after their 3rd album, not just their music but literally everything they did as people after they put out their third album

>>69301009
O god

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>>69302545
I'm conflicted about Rollins.
In all honesty, I've sort of liked the spoken word, podcasts, the little acting and cameos he did after leaving the band, and above all his sort of outspoken sincerity no matter how corny it sounds, he just says whatever on his mind and you can see how he gets more level-headed and mature with age.

but there's this sort of arrogant side to him, that does stupid shit like that statement he made after Robin Williams' suicide. You can't of imagine a guy whose clearly capable of compassion making such a bullshit take on that.

so i'm really split on him as a person. I like his no-fucks-given approach to everything he does, because he just drops and does it, but I totally understand why some people dislike him.

Where tf do I go after the first 3 PIL albums?

>>69305234
The Robin Williams thing was the only no-fucks-given thing he's ever done, and he wnt back on it when he found out it doesn't conform to his audience's beliefs.
He's always been catering to safe mainstream liberal ideas and acting like it's a dangerous, rebellious thing to do and that he's so brave for dong it.

>>69305242
Pere Ubu
>mfw I realize that Jaw Wobble's probably my fav bass player

>>69305234
rollins is and always has been the american morrissey, for better or worse
i like morrissey better though

>>69304990
>Billy Joe Armstrong
>Punk musician

mmmmmhmmm

>>69305234
Rollins is mature enough to admit when he's been an ass and occasionally apologize if he truly feels he was wrong, like in the Robin Williams suicide criticism. He's not the sort to save face with SJWs, but he's also not the sport of pompous ass who never admits his flaws when rightfully called on bullshit, ether. So I respect him.

>>69305336
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIvBZMcXW4o

>>69305336
Funny thing is, early on in their careers they were rejected by the punk scene for not being political enough, but they were making sincere music back then, when they weren't taking themselves seriously and were just writing songs about chronic masturbation. Ironically the harder they've tried to be 'more punk' the less punk they actually are.

>>69305242
Flipper - Generic Flipper
This Heat - Deceit

>>69305242
some of the stuff PIL did after those first three albums really isn't all that bad if you just want some straightforward and occasionally menacing new wave
some of it even feels fairly relevant and influential upon this neo-80s phase that we're going through in terms of music and pop culture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdfoj781qyE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79qwrzz2aws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No-nXDCy0hA

the band is also really fucking tight live nowadays, lu edmonds is a master guitarist

>>69300687
I've never really thought of Lydon as an actual punk figurehead. His interviews are unintelligible nonsense, his political and current issues views ambiguous and he's never properly engaged with any kind of activism.

Love or hate him he's simply a lunatic who likes to fuck around in life.

>>69305692
>His interviews are unintelligible nonsense
because of all his interview are either fucking with the interviewer, or just not giving a fuck to collect his brain cells to give a clearcut answer

sort of like a shitposter irl

Like the anon above said, he was never deeply anti-establishment, he just sees the bullshit on both sides

>>69300687
>gets sued by a retard
>ends up charming cranky old conservative dinosaur and winning

punk af desu

>>69305747
>cranky old conservative dinosaur
wew lad
why are you surprised? people grow out of their 20s

>>69305897
What are you talking about? I'm not surprised by anything. Judge Judy is like 1000 years old dude.

>>69305977
oh sorry haven't slept in like 3 days, thought you were referring to Lydon, fuck me
*waddles off*

>>69306007
>oh sorry haven't slept in like 3 days

isn't 3 days when the hallucinations start kicking in

>>69306007
no worries m8

>>69305692
So he's not SJW enough to be punk by your definition?

>>69306250
What?

>>69306089
that's maybe 7 days, but anything after 48 hours and your cognitive abilities just slip

I have a friend who does 4-day benders without any help from a substance and functions normally, I sort of envy him.

>>69306007
methamphetamine is pretty bad for you dude

>>69306250
He's not anything enough, that's my point. Punk is rooted in rebellious movement and besides shouting on stage and the occasional media quote he's totally apathetic to the world around him.

And why shouldn't he be, music has huge cultural influence but very little if any social.

>>69306292
>I have a friend who does 4-day benders without any help from a substance and functions normally

i'd like to be capable of pulling this off desu
most of the time i can't even duke it out for 24 hours
coffee does fuck-all for me too, and i'm straight-edge otherwise(aside from alcohol, but that shit just makes me moe prone to passing out so it doesn't really count)
i can guzzle that shit down like orange juice and i'll still feel the need to take a nap 20 mins later

>>69305384
Seriously. Sold out so you could minus your self a dick.

>>69305384
wtf I hate Against Me now

>>69300687
that was rad

and yeah I didnt see what wasnt punk about him

>>69300775
EXCUSE YOU NIGGA

>>69305384
>>69307436
Only /mu/ would consider LGBT incompatible with punk

>>69301398
They may not have been fantastic, but Valley of the Dolls is an easy 8/10

>>69307647
nah, as long the singer/band isn't constantly harping on about it.

>>69307647
LGBT was incompatible with punk for a long time
the early-to-mid 80s LA and NYC scenes were notorious for how much they hated fags

the time when the bad brains repaid the dicks' favor of letting them sleep in their house by robbing them and vandalizing their house was seen as something to laugh about and not as something to get legitimately upset about for ages

>>69301009
oh hey

>>69301864
AGREED AS FUCK

>>69307701
Correct answer-Kiss Me Deadly

>>69305384
if you don't think this is punk you don't understand punk. go listen to a crass record

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>>69307647
Reminder the greatest punk album of all time was made by two fags and a guy with a really gay mustache

>>69307807
and they managed to come to out of the closet with grace

i bought mould's autobio recently, i still respect him

>>69307807
the greatest punk album of all time is the damned's machinegun etiquette and the greatest husker album is warehouse though

mould and hart were god-tier songwriters though, no arguing about that, and husker du was the best american rock band of the 80s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFvM8i4G-YQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PZO9VoQjf0

mould peaked in sugar though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjhgUWE_geQ

>>69307718
yeah if there's anything that's not punk it's harping on about politics

>>69307719
You do know queercore originated in the 80s, right? And aracho punk even earlier..

No, the Bad Brains incident wasn't "laughed at" for ages. Complete nonsense you've made up here.

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>>69300687
Lydon has never gave a fuck about what anybody else thinks, does whatever he wants, sticks by whatever he wants to believe, and has changed consistently throughout his entire life. This includes not being afraid to do something commercial out of fear of being labeled a sellout (like its so fucking awful if he does a butter commercial while other musicians do awful things).

He probably has a more respectable punk attitude than anyone else in the music industry.

>>69307858
So many wrong opinions but that's alright, at least you've listened to their work which is something more people need to do, I can respect you for that

>>69300687
Judge Judy is hardcore as fuck desu

>>69300687
But PiL was the only punk thing anyone from the actual mainstream punk movement ever did.

>>69307930
dude, how the fuck can you possibly argue that mould's songwriting peak wasn't contained on the first sugar LP and EP?
those records are perfect and unbelievable
i love husker du, but they never even came close to making a perfect record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4DJnmD2z7M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yuyf3WV8j0M

these songs are what mould's husker du songs were all leading up to in the first place

>>69307858
everything about this post except the 2nd paragraph is wrong

but to each their own i guess

>>69308078
Well, you see, I'm a minority here but I believe Zen Arcade was where their career peaked, they have some other great songs but that was their only perfect album and it's one of my all-time favorites

The thing is, unlike the majority of people who like the band, I'm not a big fan of the whole alternative rock thing they are usually beloved for, I just love the raw emotion and narratives in some of their work and its best exemplified on Zen Arcade

>>69301155
Funny, it's the libcucks that want mass censorship. Nothing that disagrees with the agenda of the NWO will soon be allowed, even with a Trump presidency.

I voted for Trump, but that's only because Hillary was the more in-line NWO candidate. "Liberal" vs. "Conservative" does not matter in America. The two-party system is a farce. My vote doesn't matter, this presidency doesn't matter, the average human has no say, and the world will be over in a hundred years.

>>69301028
I could only get 10 seconds into it the first time I heard it. Got about a minute in this time, lads.

>>69301155
>fascist
You are part of the problem. Hurling half-baked insults at people you disagree with is not a convincing argument. Really I should be thanking dumb fucks like yourself for preventing the TPP from going through. Can't wait to see you liberal idiots wake up when your candidate is dragged away in cuffs in an orange pantsuit this time.

>>69301828
>white rage
What does race have to do with anything?

>>69308307
Don't worry bro, the world will be over much sooner with Trumps anti-climate change stance.

>>69305242
Commercial Zone is an underrated gem. Album is pretty good but it's big dumb hard rock that has nothing in common with PiL's early work. This Is What You Want... This Is What You Get is a decent album that doesn't deserve the mountains of shit it gets. If you like slightly funky new wave then you should check out TIWYW... TIWYG.

>>69308511
And the über bluepill steps into the room.

Of course global warming is a real thing you stupid faggot. Did you even read my post, or did your anti-Trump defense mechanisms activate ate the sight of his name? It doesn't matter about his thoughts you child.

>>69308397
the confidence of your post indicates either trolling or idiocy. you're fucked too you jackass.

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>>69308621
I was quite surprised by this. A lot better than I was expecting.

>>69308184
ah, i suppose that's fair enough. my favorite husker du material is the stuff from when they were really starting to move away from their hardcore roots and into more ambiguous and multifaceted waters.
peace out.

>>69308652
I legit have no idea what you're talking about.

You said you can't wait for the world to end in 100 years. I said don't worry, it'll end sooner. You know, 'cause of climate change.

>>69307647
Tired of this revisionism. Just because punk today is synonymous with being a bug-chasing faggot doesn't mean it always was.

Oldfag skinhead here. If you tried HIVing up any of our stomping grounds back in the day, you'd get, well, stomped.

>>69301864
They were the best to come out of UK but they have definitely turned into a joke. The interview you saw must not have been out of their documentary.

>>69308862
>Oldfag skinhead
your braincells got so burnt out that you ended up here?

>>69308891
Braincells were drank away/kicked out of me long ago, if they were ever there in the first place. That's life.

>>69308862
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJUuxouy1Fg

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>>69308862
Nothing revisionist about it. Punk was synonymous with being a faggot before it was even a genre. Come out of the closet already.

>>69308862
ay, you ever seen any of the original RAC bad boys live? skrewdriver? english rose?

>>69308917
Not sure how this disproves my point.

So there were artists who were pro-faggot back in the day. It doesn't mean that punk is inherently in favor of sodomy.

It's like saying "France was a country with a king in 1790. All countries were monarchies in 1790."

>>69308952
Skrewdriver yes.

>>69307719
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3adXwLVIaY

>>69308862
t. 16 year old

>>69308979
fucking sick
what was the vibe like at the show? were the OG RAC skins really as rough and intolerant as they have been pained as being?
you met any of the members?

there's something about these early RAC shows thast just captivates the imagination.... in the same way that GG allin's nastiest shows do...

>>69308397
The odds of Hillary Clinton actually being indicted, much less improsoned, is practically zero at this point, even thougg she is corrupt. Get over it.

>>69300813
>implying this isn't punk as fuck

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>>69308862
>If you tried HIVing up any of our stomping grounds back in the day, you'd get, well, stomped.
That maybe the case but gays would have been just fine at actual punk shows.

>>69309112
It's important to keep this adage in mind:

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

But with that said, it's like night and day compared to modern punk. Apparently stage-diving is "oppressive" now?

>>69308307
I'm a liberal, and people have a very twisted views on what liberalism is. I don't want mass censorship at all, or for any reason.

>>69308862
Maybe to the skinhead punk scene, but you do know a lot of the punk scene hated you guys right? Have you not heard Nazi Punks Fuck Off?

>>69308962
No, but that doesn't mean that LGBT punk today is so totally anti-punk. There were clearly pro LGBT, pro feminist punk right at the beginning. Just because you're pretending you're old enough to be around for nazi punk doesn't mean that nazi punk is the only trve punk.

>>69309191
dude, X, fear, the ramones, bad brains, agnostic front, all those bands were not at all secretive about their right-wing sympahies.
even in the UK and even outside of the RAC crews, you had the likes of the exploited who were quite reactionary in their attitudes towards emerging forms of social and sexual identity(not to mention many of the bands who were plain indifferent towards it all and just dug the nihilism, such as the already intensely mentioned damned etc).

>>69309174
fuck dude, a mid-80s skrewdriver gig is a wet dream for me and i'm not even a right-winger
i truly believe that crass reccords anarchopunk and RAC were the only genuinely politically vital punk elements to come out of the initial punk boom, whether you love them or loathe them

>>69302545
>oldmanyellsatcloud.jpg

>>69309349
Oh wow. There were at least five bands with right wing politics. I guess there were no left leaning, LGBT friendly punk bands then. Thanks for clearing this up dude.

>>69309280
I'm saying you simply can't get away with old-fashioned, totally fun, boneheaded nihilism in today's punk scene like you could in the past.

Being a skinhead back in the day didn't mean that you had read all of Hitler's speeches, and it doesn't mean that I'm spending all my time grumbling about queers getting married today. It was a brotherhood and an expression of white working class identity: 99% goofing around, 1% politics.

But even that is unacceptable in modern "punk." It belongs solely to sociology majors now. It leaves me wondering what kind of outlet poor white kids have to express themselves these days. Posting frogs on their computer?

>>69309349
Right-wing =/= neo-nazi. Billy Zoom is the only conservative member of X and he did not write any of the lyrics. Dee Dee and Johnny were conservative but they had no problems with gays. Fear spoke out against both the right and left. They also baited everyone in their audience. Gay straight or otherwise. I don't give a damn about bad brains, agnostic front, or exploited. Street punk and hardcore punk is for squares.

>>69309512
Yeah, punk back in the day didn't give a shit about politics. It was all just goofin around, damn SJWs stealing music from us nazis!
>>69309019

>>69309448
when those bands belong among some of the most well-known and most respected representatives of the genres. i think that it certainly paints a different picture from the one which would have been painted if they were all just a bunch of garage bands who never performed before anyone other than their friends and/or family.
and i mean, i could name other big-boy punk bands who didn't care much for homosexuality either, or who just didn't care enough to condemn the homophobic ones. there were just the first ones to come to mind.
black flag didn't exactly rush to disassociate themselves from the bad brains after that whole dicks debacle went down, y'know?

Punk rocks were sympathetic to the right wing because the left wing praised socialism more than anything else. Socialism is the ultimate control of the state. Punk is about defeating the state.
It's incredibly simple to explain it.

>>69309561
You keep posting exceptions to prove some kind of rule.

I'm willing to accept that there was diversity in the music because I lived through it. It's you who is holding what's "punk" or not up to some kind of ideological litmus test.

My gripe is that the only "punk" left is music that panders to insufferable university student pricks like you. If I were a kid today I'd have to look elsewhere to have a good time

>>69309592
Socialism is stateless you retard. Why do you think so many punk rockers were anarchists?

Facism is the ultimate control of the state. Yes, many punk rockers embraced facism but that's because they were retarded.

>>69309592
>socialism doesn't involve withering away of the state
sounds like you've learned everything about politics from online forums and not from opening up books or digging deep into works by acclaimed political thinkers starting from the 17th century

>>69309638
>Socialism is stateless

Are you literally retarded or do you just never ever heard of what socialism is?
And socialism IS fascist, go take a class.

>>69309604
>It's you who is holding what's "punk" or not up to some kind of ideological litmus test.
Actually, I'm pretty sure that was the entire point of the fucking thread and the reason I replied to that poster in the first place.

And I'm pretty sure you were the retard who told me that it was "revisionist" to say LGBT and punk are not entirely divorced.

And yet here you are telling me that any left leaning punk is the "exception to the rule"

>>69300745
1000 times this

Bang Bang sounded pretty good live though

>>69309656
Oh, this is hilarious. Are you one of those people that believe that the TRUE socialism is the one that manages to exist after removing the state (which is literally impossible) and that all the socialist regimes ever twisted Marx because they didn't manage to do that (because it's literally impossible)?

>>69309638
Socialism and communism are inherently authoritarian. If you think otherwise, you're retarded. Your nanny state is not gonna be there to make sure people don't discriminate against you cause your a fag in your anarchist paradise.

>>69309604
>If I were a kid today I'd have to look elsewhere to have a good time
If your only willing to go to shows where gay dudes get beat, you might have trouble but there's plenty of politically incorrect low-brow punk out there. Heck, I'm seeing the Spits next week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKgraaxopgE

>>69309677
I said it's revisionist to think all or even most of punk was friendly to bum-diddling faggots and I stand by that. Up to and through the early 90s, even the communists in NYC were openly homophobic. Left or right: being gay was not in the working class DNA. It's really only after extensive gentrification efforts that revolutionary struggle became tied to sodomite causes

But by all means post another cherry-picked example to turn my worldview on its head!

>>69301028
is this music men will never understand?

>>69309664
>And socialism IS fascist, go take a class
I really hope this is bait.

If you took an entry level political theory class or even spent five minutes reading a wikipedia article you would realize how pants on head retarded you sound right now.

>>69309685
State socialism (e.g. Stalinism) is authoritarian.

>>69309682
>Are you one of those people that believe that the TRUE socialism is the one that manages to exist after removing the state (which is literally impossible) and that all the socialist regimes ever twisted Marx because they didn't manage to do that (because it's literally impossible)?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia

Please dude read a book or watch a youtube video before you call people retarded.

>>69309604
>My gripe is that the only "punk" left is music that panders to insufferable university student pricks like you.
>If I were a kid today I'd have to look elsewhere to have a good time

that is because the university-fed neoliberal left has a stranglehold on punk and the politics which it is acceptable to voice through the medium
all the right-wing/on-the-fence-kids(as well as a large amount of the plain left who have just gotten fed up with being represented exclusively through the everyone-who-disagres-with-me-is-an-irredeemable-fascist liberals) have moved onto black metal in recent years
you can even see it in all the bernie sanders supporters who still accepted donald trump as more tolerable than hillary clinton once their candidate fell out of the game
the kids who would have listened to carnivore and the germs in the 80s are now listening to peste noire and burzum

>>69309736
When did I say all punk was LGBT friendly, friend?

>But by all means post another cherry-picked example to turn my worldview on its head!
Nice irony.

>>69309777
>Revolutionary_Catalonia
Got crushed because they couldn't fucking fight worth shit.

Just like all anarchists lol.

>>69309795
That makes sense.

I don't know much about black metal but I like what I've heard.

>>69309811
That has nothing to do with your argument that a social construct is LITERALLY impossible to remove.

>>69309848
I'm not the one you're having an autistic semantic spat with. I'm just saying that anarchists are retarded lol

>>69309777
Oh, you are. You are one of those delusional dreamers that think that without a market something other than the state would regulate trading rules and everything would just happen naturally and everyone being happy and equal. That is precious.
Guess what, kiddo, for socialism to even be conceivable the state needs to regulate everything, and that's what it did in the USSR, Cuba and everywhere else that called themselves socialists. You work for the state, the factory belongs to the state and what you produce belongs to the state. Your theories and conjectures are fairy tales that the world and it's logical structures reshaped to something real, ugly and failed.
Tell me how is there art and entertainment without the market to dictate what's valuable to invest in and without the state to do so. Go ahead and tell me how a stateless society that also rejected capitalism can attribute value to abstract values.

Grow the fuck up.

>>69309736
>most of punk was friendly to bum-diddling faggots
They were. In New York the Ramones were managed by a fag. Arturo Vega who designed most of there shirts including the presidential seal logo was a fag. San Francisco's, Crime first punk band Crime, got their first gig at a gay bar. LA's first two punk bands the Screamers and the Germs were fronted by fags.

>>69309887
Cool. Let me tell you about how all of jazz worked based upon the wikipedia articles I read about Miles Davis and John Coltrane.

>He's making money doing something not in music that's not punk maaaaaaaan
/mu/ really are plebs when it comes to music huh

>>69309886
I didn't say I was a socialist or an anarchist kid. I corrected your retarded interpretation of socialism as literally being fascism. They're two entirely different things.

>Tell me how is there art and entertainment without the market to dictate what's valuable to invest in and without the state to do so.
Okay:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_art

>>69307647
It's incompatible with everything.

>>69309973
Yeah, let's go back to prehistoric art, great fucking argument, genius.

>>69309998
>yeah, okay, show me something that completely obliterates my retarded argument, genius
How could that art exist without the state dictating the value of it!?

>>69309916
>implying i read any of this on wikipedia articles
Find me the imaginary gay punk wikipedia article I'm citing and then tell me about jazz.

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>>69309681
You all sound pretty asshurt?

>>69310014
Oh my god, are you this retarded? Because they were using charcoal, dirt, mud and bones, not making movies and music. Jesus fucking christ...
You need resources to produce anything. Everything on earth comes from the earth, so it's obviously limited. Therefore not everyone can have all the resource they desire, because everyone has an idea. Something is necessary to dictate how worthy that idea is. In capitalism: the market, if it sells then invest. In socialism: the state, which normally leads to only propagandist art being made.

Your moronic thinking is actually a great argument, to live in an achievable socialist society we would need to return to stone age.

>>69307647
Basically, you should expect some really fucking stupid shit from /mu/ honestly

>>69310097
>Oh my god, are you this retarded? Because they were using charcoal, dirt, mud and bones, not making movies and music. Jesus fucking christ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_music

You told other posters to "go to class" and you've routinely shown that you know jack shit about any of the things you're arguing about. Where did you "go to class" and how the fuck can one school be so hopelessly inept in teaching you even the most basic, fundamental things about history or political theory?

>>69305234
Here's another Rollins tidbit from his radio show.

"Ever wake up one day and notice your favorite childhood rock band is being played on car commercials? I've had so many people tell me how embarrassing that is and their favorite band sold out and all that. I see it differently though. To me, that means 'Our generation has arrived. We're now running things.'"

>admitting it's ok to sell out and become a brand name

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>>69310202
>again, thinks citing prehistoric examples apply to modern world and is a good argument to back your claims

Wew, lad. This is the north american education I've heard so much about...
I, for one, have studied anthropology and history on respectable academic terms, so I refuse to be subjected to your stupidity any longer.
First by stating that socialism is stateless, which is the opposite of what it is and no historian on earth that isn't apologetic would ever disagree that socialism is governed through maximum state control. Then saying it's not fascist, which again is in the definition, the state having absolute control, exercised through force. And then using fucking prehistoric (god) examples of culture as an analogue to current entertainment industry, WITHOUT actually thinking is backwards moving.

Wow, I... I just don't know what to say to you. Good night, I guess.

>>69300687
punks dead and youre all faggots

>>69307807
that album bites ass, tho.

>>69310339
Actually, I was challenging your argument that music didn't exist until the state created a market for it. At this point we're so far removed from your original retardation that the goal posts have left the stadium and are teetering on a bridge somewhere.

But c'mon kid, give up the act. If you ever went to a post secondary institution you wouldn't seriously believe that "no historian (kek) on earth" would argue that socialism is stateless or that socialism and fascism are not interchangeable terms.

Please dude, I get that you need to pretend that you've won this e-debate, but please, read a fucking book. Watch a youtube video. Read a wikipedia article. Anything.

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>>69310339
>I, for one, have studied anthropology and history on respectable academic terms

Say no more.

>>69310202
>>69309973
You are absolutely right. Banging with sticks on the ground and on skulls, like it's Return of Jedi, is exactly the same thing as recording and putting an album out and then going on tour playing at stadiums. If one can exists without the need of societal structure then IT MUST mean that so can the other, which in turn proves socialism works and can support abstract art and entertainment for all who are free to choose. You made Fidel proud, anon!

>>69310703
None of this has anything to do with your original argument that socialism and fascism are identical.

Again, I was merely pointed out the retardation of your argument that art can't exist without the state... which changed to music... which has now changed to recorded music (...?). I actually don't give a shit about your argument that capitalism is the driving force behind recorded music because that has nothing to do with socialism being fascism.

You also seem to think I'm advocating for socialism. I'm not, pointing out when you're saying things that are blatantly misinformed.

You also seem to be conflating two separate ideas: that socialism as a theory advocates for state ownership of the means of production and that socialism can only work with the state.

Respectable academic terms indeed.

>>69308397
Trump is fascist but he's also a pussy so there's no chance he actually follows through on his promise to "lock her up." The elite protect other elites and don't forget trump and clinton were smoozing together at parties just a few years before the election.

>>69311081
Name a single instance where a socialist party in power did not act through statal control and explain could it even be slightly conceivable for a socialist society to exist without the state, when even Lenin said that socialism was merely a way to achieve true communism, until they knew a way to eliminate the state need.

>>69309681
being anti-trump IS punk... sorry.