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It seems to me like music now isn't as innovative or experimental as it was in previous eras. I'm not trying to be one of those "le wrong generation" people; there's plenty of 2010s music that I enjoy. I just think music has kind of reached a plateau in terms of innovation.


Just look at RYM's top albums of the 2010s.
MBDTF, Blackstar, Carrie & Lowell, A Moon Shaped Pool, etc. Most of these albums are good in their own respect, but most of the stuff seen here has already been done before. None of these albums are really groundbreaking. There's a lot of Hip-Hop, Art Rock, Indie Rock, etc. These genres reached their creative peaks in past decades.
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new Shooter Jennings
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pretty much anything Colin Stetson has been involved with in the last couple years
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>>69284565
>literally the fucking most picture perfect image of a regressive trite one trick pony
>groundbreaking
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new Boris Merzbow
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>>69284582
Literally not. Sorrow sounds basically nothing like his album with Sara last year and then there's her new album this year. Besides one trick pony isn't exactly the thread topic.
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>>69284612
Underrated.
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would u eat a hotdog right now if i gav u one
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there is a lot of experimental stuff but a lot of it is frick
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last year's Liturgy
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who cares
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my albums pretty groundbreaking and original
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Death Grips
The Knife - Shaking the Habitual
The Avalanches - Wildflower
Frank Ocean - Blonde
TPaB
Flying Lotus


All these listed above are popular releases that either transport their respective genres to new dimensional heights, or have enough uniqueness that time hasn't allowed it's influence to sector into new genres yet.
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I'd say all of oneohtrix point never's albums from the 2010's have gotten progressively more boundary pushing, with GoD being incredibly unique and distinctive.
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This was the last epic album
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>>69284917
he ain't no james ferraro though
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>>69284915
t. /p4k/ automaton
none of those are "truly groundbreaking"
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>>69284915
Death Grips is a great example of boundary pushing, I just don't know how influential they are/will be. It's been about 4 years since Exmilitary and not many people are hopping on this noise rap thing. It's like clipping and that's it.
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>>69285056
i make good noise rap and nobody pays attention to me because zach hill isnt in my band
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you can't be serious if you think hip hop peaked in previous decades, call me a memester or pleb but you can't deny that death grips or lil ugly mane aren't pushing the boundaries of the genre
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i was pretty groundbreaking
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>>69284971
yeah even meme ferraro is making interesting albums conceptually
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>>69284941
Lmaoing at your life rn
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Black Messiah by D'Angelo. His groove is groundbreaking in its own respect.
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St vincent in general is pretty unique.

Ive still yet to hear anything that resembles it. Short of loose stuff she got inspiration from (kate bush).
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>>69285032
I'm taking the bait. name me one album that sounds similar to Shaking the Habitual, Wildflower or Blonde? Ya can't

>>69285056
El-P
Lil Ugly Mane
Danny Brown

All at least a bit influenced by Grips. I'd say more so than Clipping. Clipping doesn't have the abrasiveness that Death Grips has, and they definitely don't try to. Also A lot of independent noise-rappers take influence from Death Grips.
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>>69285160
check out Kristine Leschper of the band Mothers. not quite the same as Annie Clark, but similar, and very good nonetheless
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>>69284499
1997 with Daft Punk's "Homework". Literally changed electronic music forever. Huge fucking impact.
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pic related is the last album that literally invented a new genre on its own
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you guys make me sad
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how fucking dense are you, you're looking at RYM'S MORE POPULAR RELEASES, DID YOU EXPECT TO SEE MANFRED WERDER OR ROYKO AKAMA IN THE MOST POPULAR RELEASES??? it's like expecting fucking caviar in a mcdonalds, kill yourself
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>>69285171
>Shaking the Habitual
Royksopp, Silver Swans, Scissor Sisters

>Wildflower
Kid Koala, Basement Jaxx, Thievery Corp

>Blonde
King Krule, Beach House, James Blake
Blonde takes the cake as least innovative album out of your shitty list. It's style is so commonplace since the beginning of this decade
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>>69285171
get to fuck, el-p has been pushing that sound since the mid 90s. go listen to funcrusher plus you pleb
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>>69285329
>King Krule, Beach House, James Blake
lol
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>>69285395
>le dismissive memeing

tell me how Blonde is different from these
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>>69285329
If you really think Royksopp sounds like STH then you have embarrassing ears

Also Kid Koala and Basement Jaxx never dabbled in neo-psych and plunderphonics like the Avalanches. Please don't make a fool of yourself.

>>69285348
>Funcrusher Plus
That is some pleb shit you neandrathal

Go listen to The Cold Vein, That's much much better than that Funcrusher bullshit

LMAO
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deafheaven - sunbather
aphex - syro
parquet courts - monastic living

are examples of something pushing the genres they are in further, into weirder territory.
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>>69285470
go listen to high water then come back and we can talk.
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The last truly original album made was Drums Not Dead by Liars in 2005 or 2006.

It's a shame that everything they have done since was trash. They seemed to have so much potential at the time.
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>>69285171
What songs on wildflower? All I heard were old songs with mediocre rapping over it.
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>>69285470
If you really think Royksopp doesn't sound like STH then you have embarrassing ears

>Kid Koala and Basement Jaxx never dabbled in neo-psych and plunderphonics like the Avalanches
>Kid Koala never dabbled in plunderphonics

Aaaand dropped. stick to p4k-core, you embarassing pleb
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>>69284565
>>69284917

100% agree with both of these.
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>>69285488
Also Aphex's ep last year?
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>>69285423
Blonde is R&B that dabbles in various other genres including Ambient. It's closer to somebody like Marvin Gaye or Terry Callier, but produced by Eno. Yet you compare him to James Blake and King Ginger Krule.

What a damn shame this board can be
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>>69285552
meh that felt more like classic aphex to me.

syro seemed like him taking all the elements of dumb stupid edm and turning them into the glorious fucked up perfect mess of an album
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>>69285488
how is syro groundbreaking in any way? it's basically a retrospective album

god you guys are fucking delusional

>>69285569
James Blake is an r&b singer that have dabbled with ambient and many others. he's literally worked with eno in his second album. are you retarded?
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>>69285315
underrated post
i dont get why fags expect lowest common denominator art to be "groundbreaking" and "experimental" as if it could be and still hold mass apeal
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>>69285525
Kaleidoscope Lovers, Colours, Live A Lifetime Love, Living Underwater, Subways etc.

>>69285531
When does Royksopp use acoustic drum timbres and extensive ambient interludes? or 10 minute drum loops than build on the same repetition? C'mon dude

By the Way, I didn't say KK doesn't sample, he just can't touch the Avalanches. KK has never put out anything nearly as ambitious as Wildflower
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COCAINE IN YOUR BITCH BRAIN
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>>69285700
>tfw Lil Peep is 19

What am I doing with my life
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>>69285653
Their music is completely different. James seems to have nitched his role in alt. R&B. Blonde is somewhat of a singer-songwriter album that really goes in and out of different genres but stays based in old school R&B.
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any of you elitists want to let me know if my work is groundbreaking, or at least on its way?

https://kylelandon.bandcamp.com/track/fall-leaves-you-behind

be rough
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>>69284915
Blonde wasn't groundbreaking at all. It was a good album and nothing more.
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>>69285761
James is also a singer-songwriter. Hell, he even uses many of the same literary devices Ocean does. His albums also merge different styles: dubstep, soul, folk, the voice sampling inherited from Burial...His latest album is basically a bunch of lieder set to modern beats. Blonde isn't innovative at all. It's also no coincidence that Ocean and Blake have collabed, they're operating on a similar spectrum
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>>69285171
How do you think El-P has been influenced by Death Grips? His last album came out the year after ex-military, giving the influence a small window, and I don't see any grips influence on any of the RTJ stuff
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>>69285056
>>69285171
Clipping kinda set noise rap back IMO.

The concept of "industrial+rap" (remember, we had noise rap decades before Death Grips) is something that NEEDS to be tempered with a sense of humor/fun or else it's just exasperatingly over-serious.

Look at Saul Williams, with Niggy Tardust. Sounds super-similar to DG and you can tell they took some inspiration from it even if it's uncool for them to say so. Both Saul and Ride are extremely emotive, and in the case of TIRALONT he was rapping/singing/reciting poetry over really colorful, dense, layered, and FUN production - just like Death Grips would do later. No two songs shared the same mood or subject matter.

Everyone else thinks that all you need is a deathly-serious guy rapping generic horrorcore crap over churning Silent Hill loops - i.e., simply noise+rap like the name implies. And it's so gray and dry it's a chore to listen to. Clipping sounded from day 1 like a quick attempt to hop on a lucrative gravy train - "hey guys, all we have to do is rap over KSSHHKSK noises and as long as it's a black dude doing it p4k will give us free publicity".
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>>69284915
Blonde is one of the most unambitious & safe albums ive heard this year
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>>69285687
>When does Royksopp use acoustic drum timbres and extensive ambient interludes?
Most of their albums?

>or 10 minute drum loops than build on the same repetition?
so this is the extent of their innovation? 10 minute drum loops?

>he just can't touch the Avalanches. KK has never put out anything nearly as ambitious as Wildflower
that's just subjective and doesn't concern the question at hand: whether they're similar. and the answer is yes, they are
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>>69285873
>>69285846
Ideas are only as good as the quality, and the quality of Blonde is 10x that of Anything James released.

I'm done now, i admire you're trolling efforts though
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>>69285932
quality is a matter of opinion. the similarity between their works is, on the other hand, something easily detectable. I'm not trolling, you've just conceded arguing by this point
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>>69285329
>Shaking the Habitual
>Royksopp, Silver Swans, Scissor Sisters
Holy shit theres no way you even listened to STH
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Charli xcx - Trophy
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>>69285621
Even the instrumentation? It sounded like he was banging on pots and pans.
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>>69285932
LMAO
Frankenstans are hilarious.
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>>69285962
If everything is subjective then why are you attacking me based on what albums i think are innovative, if you're perception of innovativeness within music is different.

There is simply no definition.....of you're idiocy
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>>69285932
Have you even listened to James' s/t? I dont understand how any reasonable listener can say this...
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>>69285963
lyrics on queer theory, class warfare, etc
influences of ambient music, house, techno
experimentation within genre tropes...
it's all there. i bet you're the one who hasn't paid attention to Royksopp, Silver Swans or Scissor Sisters (or didn't care, since they aren't p4k-approved artists :^) )

>>69286038
where did I say everything is subjective?
I've stated many instances where their artistry overlap. btw, i think Blonde is a good record, just not innovative at all
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>>69284499
[spoiler]whataboutvaporwave[/spoiler]
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>>69286019
he was. computer controlled instruments.

are we talking about cheetah or afx or cci?
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>>69285135
piss on my shoes faggot brother sport is the fucking tops
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Kreayshawn
Lil Debbie
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I'd put Live Love ASAP and Danny Brown XXX but I agree with OP. Pretty thin selection.

Personally I didn't think Blond was very innovative musically but the entire structure of the album and the rollout were quite innovative.

I feel like that album pushed some limits as far as how people actually perceive the concept of an album and what they usually expect. The skits and interviews and short songs make it feel disjointed but it's still consistent in tone.

That bitch Jasmine broke my heart
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>>69284587
This. Good albums are still being released, but the fags on this board stick to mainstream shit like Kanye West and David Bowie, and then whine that music is mediocre.
>mfw Boris & Merzbow aren't even obscure
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>>69284587
>>69286302
Gensho is weaboo trash
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>>69286089
yeah cci it was the one last year

cheetah was just a few months ago

I'm not sure what afx is
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>>69285056
yeah Kanye only based an entire album off their style of hip-hop
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>>69285125
>conceptually
This is why I like artists like OPN and Ferraro because their music is artistic and they, accurately, can be called artists as well as musicians.
I feel like this is what prevents musicians from being innovative, experimental, long lasting or inspiring. People are more concentrated on making music that only SOUNDS good without exploring ideas, concepts, and meaning in the music they make, which can in turn develop a result that's beyond the original idea, but stop at a surface level of what they know to be music.
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>>69284499
A few months back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEYYI1ii0AU
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>>69285700
Varg dyed his hair?
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Emergency & I
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Not even memeing. The guy single-handedly made electronic music fashionable for American audiences and paved the way for really, really shitty music but was nonetheless the guy whose sound everyone wanted to emulate but couldn't quite get it right. He dropped off hard after 2009, exactly when EDM become fucking enormous.
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>>69287760
True, sadly.
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>>69285840
this is actually pretty good/not bad
aoty for me.
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>>69287617
I forget about them too much
I need to listen to them some more
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>>69288130
thx
buy it for $1 pls
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>>69287760
dont forget he also played minecraft with seananners
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>>69288197
don't beg, it's unattractive.
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>>69288298
he's literally begging for 50 cents though I'm not sure that even qualifies. I think $1 is just the minimum.
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Danny Brown broke ground with Atrocity Exhibition.
And Tribes, however safe the sound was, solidified the sound that has been rarely appearing within the hip hop scene. Kendrick introduced the sound to a lot of newer fans, but Tribes utilised there own sound to solidify the fact that it will stay relevant within coming years.
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>>69288384
Thanks fantano
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>>69288436
No problem senpai ;)
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>>69287760
lol hi joel
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>>69284915
you forgot the new d'angelo m8
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>>69285687
>Subways
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p7Nib6yJ6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJAcUzwaLXg

What in the literal fuck is wrong with you?
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>>69288298
the music aint pretty why should i be
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The Flaming Lips have been breaking some new ground this decade with 7 Skies H3 and The Terror. But it seems like they're degenerating a bit with Oczy Mlody but I dunno let's see.
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>>69284915
Dude what the fuck are you on

None of these are remotely new or groundbreaking. Just stop.
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>>69290362
The Flips are good and 7 Skies H3 was unique, but they haven't been truly groundbreaking since TSB.

Fuck, literally nothing posted ITT is groundbreaking. It's all just generic p4kcore.
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>>69284499
Literally Lil Yachty back in March when he blew up
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>Groundbreaking
>Getting recognition single digit years of release
Pick one
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>>69284499
>"It seems to me like music now isn't as innovative or experimental as it was in previous eras."
>posts a pic of kendrick, one of the most innovative and groundbreaking hip hop artists in the last 20 years
>lol.
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Lil B
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>>69291152
bait
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>>69284499

We're living in one of the most experimental periods in music history to date, what are you even talking about? You're on the internet already, it's not exactly difficult to find crazy new shit if you actually bother to look for it instead of listening to the radio for a few minutes and going "dur, this doesn't seem very groundbreaking at all!'
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>>69286354
>weaboo
Reminder that this isn't valid criticism and you're still the normalfag on an anime board, kiddo :^)
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>>69285056
>>69285171
>>69285925
Yall talking about Noise Rap and there's no mention of Ratking.
Am I the only one here who listens to them?
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>>69284499
I love that video
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last innovative hip hop project right here
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>>69292133
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>>69284499
I would say MBDTF, Blackstar, Carrie & Lowell, A Moon Shaped Pool are all innovative, but in a different way from how Pet Sounds, Unknown Pleasures, Kid A, or Illinois were.
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Unironically Death Grips.
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>>69284499
2009, when odd future, skrillex and waka flocka all came at once, then everyone copied them for the next 10 years.

right now theres a million soundcloud beat makers doing the craziest shit tho, but you have to look cus they have like 10k views on their songs and shit, but theres a new sound going on.
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>>69285423
Fuck off, I went and listened to Blonde because you insisted they were similar to Beach House and it turned out to be shitty nigger music
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Discovered this shit pretty late (2012) but I still don't get tired of it... Can listen to "Remember Me" on repeat for half an hour sometimes hahahah

The mastering and stuff is poorly made but some of the beats and stuff just sound too good and outstanding for a underground release...
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Basshunter - DotA
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>>69284499
Me in a few years
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>>69284915
>Death Grips
I like them, but Dalek did the same thing a decade before
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>>69292600
impressive anon
what are you gonna put out?
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>>69287617
Man I should really start listening to them
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This fucking 4 hour monster
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>>69292611
Post-progressive shit-core
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Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites is probably the last time something came on the radio that was some next level shit

youtube.com/watch?v=WSeNSzJ2-Jw
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Definitely not Death Grips. Yes they push boundaries, but not anything innovative, they just make everything more agressive. I feel like they try to push boundaries, but don't know which way to go, so they go the most obvious.
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Xiu Xiu if anything.
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>>69285488
>deafheaven
try June Gyte instead lmao
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>>69291222
Seconded.

Now it sounds like yet more cheap trash coming from cheap rappers. But people forget. When he was putting music out, with absolutely NO shame in his game, free associating, it was fearless and different. It wasn't even ironic, because a lot of his music was heartfelt. Nowadays people hide behind irony to do what he did
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>>69284499

sweet fancy moses, this gem right here. straight fire.
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>>69292680

the song this video is from is LEGEND.
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>>69292485
Any shugazi footwork? I don't want to hear that some queer beat me to it but I should know if it happened.
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>>69292485
You also have to give Chief Keef credit when he came. Though his sound may or may not have been a derivative of Waka's, just the music video style and DIY influenced so many hood niggas
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>>69292820

"love no thotties" is actually the only song by him I really like
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>>69285840
I honestly love it, and I'm not even that much of a fan of Hip-Hop. I hope you become kinda well known.
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>>69292820
>"We can't spell sober"
Niggers
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Autechre, Death Grips, Arca, Bjork are all at the for front on innovation in music imo. is there a name for this type of music/movement as a whole? industrial idm? idk
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>>69292650
I remember losing my shit when I heard Kill Everybody for the first time
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>>69292859
>Arca
>Death Grips
>Industrial
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>>69284499
nevermind nirvana
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>>69285315
>A Moon Shaped Pool
>Carrie and Lowell
>Blackstar

>lowest common denominator
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>>69284587
>>69286302

Is this the "play two albums at the same time album"? Come the fuck on, how can you expect people to give this album attention. A large percent of the population literally doesn't have the equipment to listen to it properly.
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I think this is the most pathetic thread on /mu/ I've seen for a long time.
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>>69293393
Thanks for encouraging it with your vapid post.
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>>69285927
While i don't agree with that guys opinion. Saying that Blond is unsafe is retarded and ignorant.
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>ive never listened to anything that wasn't borderline pop
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>>69294404
>posts an inflammatory comment with no substance and leaves his opinion on anything posted ITT ambiguous so he doesn't have to face direct criticism
Nice try pseud, post an album or artist instead of providing nothing of worth to the thread to make yourself seem intellectually superior to nobody. Next you'll respond with "Oh, so you want me to spoonfeed you" to further avoid any meaningful discussion of music or forming any substantial opinion of your own.
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This thread is further proof that nobody on /mu/ can separate discussions of groundbreaking/influential artists and their own personal favorite artists.
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Yo Check it out y'all let me know what y'all think..

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1L91dmlr2I
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I think Matt Elliott is great for folk, even if he is kinda hit and miss he has some great sorta minimalist folk and folk-electronic stuff.
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IMO, one of the most groundbreaking projects to be released in recent memory is Julian Casablancas + The Voidz album. For rock music, that shit was just on an entirely different level in terms of composition and production. Hopefully that project will be a model for rock music to come because it was very interesting.
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It was the start of taking electronic music production on whole another level.
And it took another artists almost 5 years to achieve the comparable skill
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Groundbreaking in what sense? You need to be careful about what you consider to be groundbreaking or not groundbreaking considering music is a very subjective art form. Also don't confuse the question, 'do I like it?' with 'is it good?'
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>>69290590
I don't understand how groundbreaking music and getting a good score on pitchfork are mutually exclusive things. that's not an argument you're just venting your frustration about pitchfork. don't take what could be quality music out on some shitty music journalists.
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>>69295349
I never said they were mutually exclusive. But show me one artist mentioned ITT you actually consider revolutionary.
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>>69285925
>Trent Reznor's production
>FUN

now there's something you don't see everyday
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>>69284499
ALL the time you mu faggots just dont realize because you are too dense.
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Technically Daniel Lopatin with Eccojams.

>Literally started an entire culture and genre of music with one joke album
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