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>>69051362
>tripfag
>no mega links
>Schoenberg
Top cuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aaAmGbjQKA

>>69051493
>no mega links
Post them yourself if you need them so much.

>Schoenberg
Yes, and ?

the piece is supposed to have a vocalist...why would there be recordings of it without the vocalist?

>>69051602
>piano recital

The piece is supposed to have flute, violin, cello, and clarinet as well. I am not asking for these. I am just looking for an isolated instance of the piano sections.

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The E-flat major quartet > the dissonance meme quartet

Check out my channel.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_GgVtHAkHKNghroUKONROQ
(subscrib)

>>69052922
post some more shit

>>69052972
I want to upload some ockeghem but I'm trying to find a good pic, it has to click you know.

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So, /comp/ doesn't really exist anymore, so I thought some of you guys might be able to help. I'm a piano student of five years, versed relatively well in theory, I mainly do jazz but have been getting more into classical in recent months.

Anyway, I decided to compose something with a lot of counterpoint.
I tried to go for a Bach type feel, but it kinda feels like budget Bach, if you know what I mean.

If anyone is willing to give it a rate that'd be much appreciated. Please be gentle senpai, its my first completed piece.

https://clyp.it/4h0mzhvf

Why is Chopin so good bros? Is it true that virginity grants you incalculable powers?

What are some good harpsichord works? Preferably baroque but i'm not fussed.

>>69053986
Goldberg Variations is a good one

>>69053477
Sounds popular-ish. It's good work, Corpse Bride kind of feel.
It doesn't really sound very erudite, but with more work and less repetitive themes it'd be perfect.
>Chopin
>Prefering Rubinstein to Ashkenazy
plebs

>>69054128
Rubinstein isn't my favorite but he gets wanked on so much I feel obligated to listen to him every so often.

>>69054128
Thanks! I'm still working on it of course, and I get the idea that the themes are repetitive, since I was trying to space out some of the other parts with more variation. I appreciate the feedback.

>>69054206
Yeah, i've been listening to Argerich, Ashkenazy and Yundi Li
Any recommendations?

>>69054322
They're good. I like Zimerman and Pollini generally. They play in a modern style which I believe is closer to Chopin's taste since he was nuts about Mozart.

There's a lot of valuable old meme recordings with more rubato. Ignaz Friedman playing mazurkas. Dinu Lipatti playing waltzes. Moriz Rosenthal's misc recordings are really great but much of it has terrible sound quality. Rachmaninoff also recorded a bunch of Chopin. Alfred Cortot was a big deal back in the day.

Maria Joao Pires' nocturnes are good and have quality stereo sound.

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>>69052227
Hoffmeister>the rest

bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5ycoNOA9BM

>>69053986
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_NkQM85g6Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17artzV0sFU

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anyone know any good works with a celeste?
wikipedia says that a lot of impressionist composers used it, but i can't find any works...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m129k5YcQnU
im also interested in its use in other genres such as jazz and so on

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listened to and loved borodin's 2nd string quartet, any recomendations for similar chamber music?

>>69057092
i believe there's an arrangement of Mahler's Das Lied which uses one

>>69053986
Carter's double concerto.

>>69057092
Doesn't Bolero use a Celesta? If so I bet it's in some of ravels other works.

>>69053986
Poulencs harpsichord concerto is pretty cool

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Which is the best Season and why is it Winter?

>>69059133
Diamond commercials nostalgia.

I never see anyone say this but Gerald Moore is a dope piano accompanist.

what's that video where a giantic monster doll gives birth to smaller deformed creatures that are humans in creepy mascot suits, I think it was a part some avantgarde composer's performance

>>69056552
Wtf cello suite no 3 in c minor??

(Cello suite 5) Arranged for harpsichord? Bach already fucking did that, it's BWV 995
https://youtu.be/PFIu0q3icYU
Stupid mother fuckers

>>69051362
>Does anyone know where I can find a piano recital of Pierrot Lunaire without voice accompaniment ?
there was a Gould recording.. oh, wait

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYGTurA-5bA

Was Beethoven commissioned by God?

>>69060594
No

>>69060594
Fairly often I'll listen to the last 10 minutes of this. It's Schubert approved.

>>69053477
More contrary motion
That fixes everything

>>69060817
ew

>>69060817
I hope Lang dies desu

>>69060817

what are you, gay?

What instrument does every1 play
Or are you a loser who just listens to classical music

who are generally the best orchestras?

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>>69060916
Eh, I like 2D traps desu

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>>69060817
why releases by modern players have so tasteless covers
but if for classical releases it is some kind of indicator of tasteless and soulless perfomances most of the time, jazz releases has some real awful artworks while having decent to good material, eh?

https://youtu.be/baIgq9jTEfQ
Who composed this?

>>69061071
me t b h

>>69061071
sounds like this guy >>69061078

>>69061071
I don't know, Mozart? Vivaldi? Fuck, maybe Strauss jr. or Brahms. Like how the fuck would I know?

>>69061071
Yeah isn't this Strauss

>>69061071
>I haven't watched/listened Nutcracker in full
>not even suite
kys my man

>>69060675

>listening to music only if short, fat, balding, syphilitic derivative composer listened to it

Damn. No wonder Schubert had no gf.

>>69061071
That's the Mendelssohn nocturne from a midsummer night's drum

>>69059127
just listened to bolero, absolutely love that piece.
its interesting how he only rly uses it to double the melody in some parts, it has such a nice texture.

im def gonna check out some more ravel thx m8

>>69061545
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zvNHkZLuW0

>>69060284
could it be ligeti's Le grand macabre?

>>69060982
keyboard, accordion, guitar, drumkit, voice, theremin, cello, flagolet.

We should just make the ultimate mega link so people stop bitching about this

Intro to french baroque? What should I listen to?

>>69063056
Reamu, Lully, Couperin. That's about it.

>>69063090
>Reamu
*Rameau

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>>69059133
>the four memes
I bet you liked the sonnets too you fucking autist

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>>69063056
>Marais
>Viseé
>Sante Colombe
>Leclair
>Rebel
>Forqueray
>Philidor

>>69063090
t. Uncultured retard

>>69063327
>posts worst 2hu
>calls me uncultured

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>>69063346
>mfw he expresses an opinion that further solidifies his unculturedness

>>69063327
>Rebel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnlaCenlNHk

>>69052972
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbLs4Ei77qk
Did this one bcuz of u bby.

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>>69063416
>tfw not Rebel
>tfw didn't compose the le Elemens suites

I want to sing in a choir or at least learn how to sing.
How should I go about this? I'm 21 male and have never taken music/singing lessons before.

>>69063522
probably school is your best bet, or a local one

you gotta know how to read music though

>>69063628
yeah that's what I thought.
Is there any way to know your range though?
Or do I need to embarrass myself in front of a teacher to know?

>>69063327
>De Viseé
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUioZeROstA

>>69060371
i like that version more than the bach's version at least on harpsichord

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnWvbL6a4Mk
but yeah it sounds better on guitar

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Hey, /classical/.

Here's the chart for newcomers I posted in the last two threads. Had a lot of fun cobbling it together with y'all.

I swapped Shostakovich's 15th + Jewish Folk Poetry with a more comprehensive symphony compilation, but otherwise it's the same as last time.

Feel free to critique and make suggestions.

>>69051362
>classical
>art
classical is very structured and paper based. very rule-y. see, art rock, art pop, art punk, has never been structured and almost always dissonant

>>69064649
>classical is very structured and paper based
(not true, by the way.)

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>>69064569
There needs to be better recordings, period.
Replace Karajan with Leibowitz so when SDF sees this he won't explode.
I think Berio's Sinfonia should be there too. You could probably kick out Branca or Gorecki.

>>69064691
have you ever listened to classical music ? have you ever seen people playing classical music ?

>>69064649
You are posting baffling inaccurate information. >>>/v/ is that way

>>69064951
Have you?

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>>69064569
for the shostakovich symphony cicle is better kondrashin

How do you guys find good recordings?

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>>69064569
I just realized that Monteverdi isn't on here either. Kick out Handel's water music and put this or a version of l'Orfeo (only listened to Jacobs' recording, there's probably a better one out there).

>>69064973
i have, i have atteneded several classical concerts, my mom and my brother plays classical piano. there's no dissonance in classical music. it's all perfectly structured and no dissonance at all. pretty much the basis of all modern music out there right now. they all obey the rule of chord progression. very technical very theoritical. while art music is like noise, no wave, and just dissonant stuffs with tryhard voices. just like abstract painting. classical music is realism/reinassance painting. the thing about classical music is the atmosphere, of classic european culture

>>69065058
>there's no dissonance in classical music
lmao

>>69065112
show me one. no modern classical, ok

>>69064993
I go to classicstoday.com and look up a piece then scroll to the bottom of a random review and the article author will write reference recordings.

>>69065157
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zBM6b9C_AQ

>>69065058
Do you actually not know what dissonance is ?

>>69065058
Dissonance is very relative. Dissonance not only exists between vertical tones, but among horizontal tones and harmonies. As soon as a composer moves away from the tonic chord, a dissonance is created, in a sense. As soon as a Gregorian Chant goes from a single line sung in unison to a single line sung in parallel fifths, more dissonance is created. A minor second is dissonant compared to a major second, a major second is dissonant compared to a major third, a major third is dissonant compared to a perfect fifth and a perfect fifth is dissonant compared to an octave.

Even if we're speaking in not so extremely relevant terms, it seems strange to me to ask for dissonance in Renaissance and Baroque era works. It's absolutely everywhere. Just listen to any random Baroque era piece and you'll probably get to a point where the composer starts writing chains of suspensions.

Listen to this piece by Vivaldi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv-dq4JdkyM

Practically every measure of the vocal part has either a suspension (a note of the previous harmony being held over into the next harmony) or an appogatura (a note of a harmony anticipating the latter harmony in the former harmony), both of which contain obvious dissonance.

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>>69064649
>Classical music is paper based
What did he mean by this?

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>>69065157
>mozartdissonancequartet.mp3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K-ZxVnJIwg

>>69059133
It's not. It's Spring.

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>>69065157
How's this?

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>>69060817
Awful musician and awful cover. Yikes.

>>69060982
Clarinet.

The quality of the cover speaks for the quality of the player, doesn't it?

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>>69064649
Are you implying only dissonant music can be considered art?
>art punk
Are you this guy?

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>>69065725
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2NzQUPmwjc

yes

>>69065753
>I don't ever remember listening to a piece of classical music that could vary its instrumental play in such a way as to obscure which instrument is actually being played
wew

>>69063866
>De Viseé
>de
https://youtu.be/bcaABG_-X80

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>>69065157
ROFL
https://youtu.be/MAD6lUivz10
There's even an example in the thread, retard.
https://youtu.be/dnlaCenlNHk
And in case you're wondering if there's any polythythm as well
https://youtu.be/Z9DJpaxT7wg.

Fucking idiot lmao never show your face again.

>>69065058
Attending 2 concerts does make you knowledgeable about classical music. If you had even the most rudimentary knowledge on the subject you would know that even the most carefully structured and pleasant sounding piece has dissonance.

Classical has everything from minimal dissonance to heavy dissonance and the combination of both at the same time.

>>69065157
>no modern classical
why not? its still art music. If you want dissonance and a departure from structure, contemporary classical is where its at.
These for example, full of dissonance and with a lack of complete control - players are allowed freedom to play as they wish within the overall structure or phrase:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HilGthRhwP8&t=18s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCLTpL2vg5g

>>69066331
>I don't ever remember listening to a piece of classical music that could vary its instrumental play in such a way as to obscure which instrument is actually being played
literally lachenmann

>>69065058
holy shit get a load of this dude

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>>69061068

>>69064569
Go back to fucking reddit

Just saw a commercial for a Cadillac Escalade with the Chopin meme nocturne and remembered someone mentioned it last thread but didn't say what was for sale.

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>>69064805
Karajan's recordings of the 9 are famous for good reason. Anyway, this is meant to be an entry-level chart, and practically anyone who's into classical has heard his recordings and formed an opinion on them, favorable or otherwise.

>>69064992
DG's gives a broader selection of conductors, but Kondrashin is pretty legit.

>>69065024
You got it, bud.

>>69067957
Hugs + kisses

>>69060699
Thanks pal, will do.

>>69068629
Because I know that you won't abandon the chart, the only recommendation I will make is changing the Ligeti collection to one which is more readily available / in better quality.

I would suggest "Clear or Cloudy - Complete Recordings on Deutsche Grammophon".

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>>69068722
K

>>69068629
>Karajan's recordings of the 9 are famous for good reason. Anyway, this is meant to be an entry-level chart, and practically anyone who's into classical has heard his recordings and formed an opinion on them, favorable or otherwise.
So? Leibowitz is much close to Beethoven's tempo than Karajan.
It also doesn't have Karajan messing with the mix.

>>69068629
>practically anyone who's into classical has heard his recordings and formed an opinion on them, favorable or otherwise.
Well now it just depends what you want, a list of popular performances or ones /classical/ recommends.

>>69069126
I was hoping for a little of column A and a little of column B.

what piece best evokes feelings of neutrality or apathy, grayness

>>69069856
Schoenberg desu

>>69051362
>/classical/ thread
>see pic
Dropped,
fuck you OP, you are disgusting piece of shit
and your art is shit too

Help need indentifying background music used in this ad

https://youtu.be/JrAH_g8oW0g

I am totally clueless

any help is appreciated

>>69070107
>>69070083

>>69070129

I'm 21 and I only know how to play electric guitar. I'd love to shift to piano. Is it too late to join a conservatory?

>>69070701
If your intent is to be world class, probably. Unless you devote the remainder of your life to it.

If you just want to play proficiently, there's no reason not to. I'm not classically trained however so if someone who is answers your question you should probably take their answer over mine.

>>69070718

Honestly I have no skill whatsoever at the moment. I know that I'm extremely musical and that my theory is in check.

Im currently studying in uni but I'm sucking at it. I know that if I'll keep going on this road I'll end up in some shitty lab doing work that I genuiney hate.

I think I have the diligence to study piano all day long for years, but I don't think that I can accept not being perfect on it.
I couldn't hope for anything less than world cass. Is hard work enough to bring me there?

I mean, there's no way I'll die as a pianist without knowing how to play the Hammerklavier Sonata. It would be pathetic.

Fuck you motherfuckers:

>General Folder #1. Renaissance up to 20th century/modern classical. Also contains a folder of live recordings/recitals by some outstanding performers.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!mMYGhBgY!Ee_a6DJvLJRGej-9GBqi0A
>General Folder #2. Mostly Romantic up to 20th century/modern, but also includes recordings of music by Bach, Mozart and others.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!lIh3GRpY!piUs-QdhZACFt2hGtX39Rw
>General Folder #3. Mostly 20th century/modern with other assorted bits and pieces.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!Y8pXlJ7L!RzSeyGemu6QdvYzlfKs67w
>General Folder #4. Renaissance up to early/mid-20th century. Also contains a folder of Scarlatti sonate and another live recording/recital folder.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!kMpkFSzL!diCUavpSn9B-pr-MfKnKdA
>General Folder #5. Renaissance up to late 19th century.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!ekBFiCLD!spgz8Ij5G0SRH2JjXpnjLg
>General Folder #6. Very eclectic mix.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!O8pj1ZiL!mAfQOneAAMlDlrgkqvzfEg
>Renaissance Folder #1. Mass settings.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!ygImCRjS!1C9L77tCcZGQRF6UVXa-dA
>Renaissance Folder #2. Motets and madrigals (plus Leiden choirbooks).
https://mega.co.nz/#F!il5yBShJ!WPT0v8GwCAFdOaTYOLDA1g
>Debussy. There is an accompanying chart, available on request.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!DdJWUBBK!BeGdGaiAqdLy9SBZjCHjCw
>Opera Folder. Contains recorded video productions of about 10 well-known operas, with a bias towards late Romantic.
https://mega.co.nz/#F!4EVlnJrB!PRjPFC0vB2UT1vrBHAlHlw
>Crudblud stuff
http://crudblud.sjm.so/

>>69070780
If you're having trouble with feelings of inadequacy, then you're probably comparing yourself to others too much. I mean, think about it, you're never going to be happy if you try to compare yourself with someone of real musical genius, like Bill Evans or Chopin.
Whenever I get some post gig depression, or feel like my piano skills aren't adequate, I always say to myself: "Delight only in self improvement, be happy for the sounds you are creating now, and don't let others set the standards for you". Maybe you can take something from this, idk.

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>>69071160
i just came

What composers should I try if I like Mahler, Liszt and Dvorak?

>>69071180

Excuse my lack of modesty but I'm pretty sure that I have the talent in me.
What I'm really concerned about is: how late is it to become a master of the instrument?
Honestly I'm a NEET and I can see myself practicing literally all day long for years but I don't know it it's worth it. I want to have no technical limitation when I sit in front of my piano.

>>69071203
Wagner, Bruckner, Brahms, Strauss

>>69071212
I believe you man, fucking go for it. If it makes you happy, do it.

Bump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-0aOomtS3A

>>69062425
thats so beautiful

>>69062425

>that climax

Goose bumps

>>69070780
When you say piano, do you mean that you want to be a concert pianist? Because concert pianists are people who have practiced piano 4 hours everyday for 10 years before they even start at a conservatory.
I'm kinda in the same situation with wanting to start at an european conservatory, even though I've only been playing piano for a bit over a year.
So I'm not gonna try to get into the conservatory as a pianist, but as a composer instead, because that's what I'd like to do the most, but also because my teacher says that people in conservatories are so good at their instruments, that if you arent someone whos been playing atleast like 7+ years its gonna be tough getting in.

also, are you the guy who always posted in /comp/ with the same question? Because if you are I think you should just start practicing instead of asking people on the internet

>>69072032

Nope, I'm not that guy (I guess it's a common ambition).

>>69062706
>ligeti's Le grand macabre
yeah I think it is, thanks
still can't find that video

>>69071895
>>69071970
Pseuds.
>>69070780
Why the fuck are you studying in uni for something that you genuinely hate?

>>69072455

I don't hate what I'm studying, but I know it's a dead end.
In my country uni is free so there is not that much pressure on me right now but still, I don't know if it's worth it.

How is the classical piano/music market at the moment?
If I pick this road will I just have to play at weddings for the rest of my life?

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>>69074332
wew lad
let's celebrate it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRxofEmo3HA

>>69072856
>In my country uni is free so there is not that much pressure on me
Are you Scottish?

If so I will fucking murder you.
>How is the classical piano/music market at the moment?
You can always fall back on giving lessons, I guess.

>>69074425
Teaching lessons is respectable. Composers and concert recitalists both do it.

>>69071160
Such an ugly way to start a thread.

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Is this the best recording of Pierrot Lunaire ? I've read that other composers // conductors struggled with interpreting Schoenberg's vision of sprechstimme within the piece.

>>69074581
respectable by whom? general public? irrelevant academia?

>listening to kike music
wew

>>69075843

>being racist

wew

Hello /classical/. I know this isn't /lit/, but do you guys have any recommended books about classical music?

>>69076411

The Great Pianists by Schoenberg is a great introduction to piano music.

>>69075808
It is certainly far and away [very] different than most other recordings of the piece.

I don't listen to it very often, though. It's extremely dynamically compressed. Shame. I think interpreatively it's one of the more interesting versions of the piece.

I've never seen a general or even a board that calls things "memes" as an insult more than this.

>>69076411
Charles Rosen - The Classical Style; Freedom and the Arts; The Romantic Generation.

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Siepi

C-cute.
https://youtu.be/8cAje9tERGE
>tfw you will never share a stage with Carmignola

>>69054461
Sergio Fiorentino is top for Chopin preludes. He is not too known

>>69078317
Harpsichord pls go

harpsichord > grand piano > clavichord > church organ > upright piano > reed organ

>>69078436
>harpsichord >
trash.jpg

>>69078436
>grand piano > anything
garbage

>>69078436
>clavichord > anything
trash.jpg

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Post Sweelinck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd-dpylS2Jc

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>>69078436
>keyboard instruments

>>69079112
>string instruments
Enjoy the blisters on your fingers.

>>69054322
Seong Jin Cho is the best at Chopin imho

>>69079174
>have been playing violin for 12 years and guitar for 7
>never got a single blister from playing

deluded keyboardshit please go and learn something which actually takes some skill and brain

bump for ya laddies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOwKRdQ3qio