>"All punks should be apolitical or right wing."

wtf i love ramones now

>>69022649
this

Wtf i hate the ramones now

>>69022389
Because those with left-wing leanings, especially those with far-left leanings, forced out or silenced anyone with beliefs not of their own. There are plenty of right-wing, centrist, libertarian, non-radical liberals and other sorts in punk.

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>>69022389
>waaaah they don't like what I like

If you're sucking off a 70 year old manchild who got everything handed to him by his daddy, you should probably kill yourself.

>>69022709
delet this

>>69022709
i like you

>>69022709
you probably aren't old enough to post on this board if you sympathize with that shirt

>>69022709
how is this relevant to OP's post?

>>69022709
The first person to mention the Teflon Don ITT is you.
Please remain ontopic or refrain from posting in my thread. Thank you.

when people started to realize liking a certain type of music doesn't decide your political beliefs .

for real though, all good punk should be apolitical/ anti-politics and all bad punk should be against whatever party/ system is in power at the time

Punk it is not apolitical. It is a movement that doesn't try to fit into the traditional left/right model. It stands for rebellion away from that but each side tries to claim it for its own. Many punks ignore that and lurch to one extreme, or they try shock by using extremist iconography.

i always thought punk was supposed to be mostly anarchist, which is the farthest right you can go

>>69022955
tl;dr: I don't know what anarchism is

>>69022967
i was waiting for this
go ahead, explain

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>>69022955
>anarchist
>far right

>>69022389
Ramones are not punk though

>>69022389
All the best punk has had a leftist lean to it

>>69022993
Anarchism is a political ideology that stands for the abolition of hierarchical institutions, of which the most common goal is to reach the stateless, classless communist society.

Hierarchical oppressive systems such as capitalism is inherently anti-anarchist. And no, "voluntary selling your labor" is not 'voluntary', that's just a politically correct way to say wage slavery.

You don't even have to read a whole lot to understand the principles of anarchism - wikipedia does a fine job at that in a few lines, also most anarchist literature is freely available online.

German here, most of our punk scenes are anti-German echo chambers for little faggot manlets who got everything blown in their asses by their hated burgeoisie parents.
The worst community I ever was part of. On the beginning, it was open for everyone, liberal.
The extremist faggotry started later as we got connected to more over-regional punk groups. All non-marxist communists and other dissidents got "purged" by the unbearable amount of propaganda and agitation of few hardline leftwingers. I have still a liberal mindset but too much was just too much.

Punk is dead.

Who even fucking listens to the ramones in the year of our lord 2k16?
Not even the teenagers with their ramones shirts listen to the ramones.

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>>69023079
>non-marxist communists

>>69023092
B-but muh "Hey! Ho! Let's go!"-song!

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>>69023092
I like them but they're far from my favourite punk band.

>>69023110
Do you believe all Communism pertains to Marx? Seriously?

>>69023079
actual german here, none of this is true
"burgeoisie"

>>69023079
codewords for: "i was a social democrat trying to rebel against my parents but people called me out on my shit"

>>69022955
Anarchism is neither a left or right wing ideology but is commonly described as radically left.

>>69023110
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism#Non-Marxist_communism

OK, still not entirely right, anarcho-comunism was still welcome.

>>69023119
Think you mean the ao.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlpEa5DnJ-s

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>>69023135
There's anarcho-communists but they still subscribe to Marxist materialism.

>>69023135
yes otherwise it isn't communism.

>>69023177
>disagreeing with marxist materialism

zizek sniffles intensifies

>>69023177
>>69023192
Not him, but:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_communism

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>>69023197
When did I say I didn't?

>>69023149
>codewords for: "i was a social democrat trying to rebel against my parents but people called me out on my shit"

>>69023147
>actual german here, none of this is true
>"burgeoisie"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q15qLdQ9bNM

>>69023215
Oh wow look, non-marxist communists in heaps right there. Anarcho-communists, syndicalists make up large parts of the antifa crowd. Also

>being offended by antifa

literally reactionairy behaviour

>>69023207
still ties in with Marxism

>>69023207
Literally don't exist outside of Latin America.

>>69023237
>literally reactionairy behaviour

Not offended at all. The shit part was excluding every "dissidents" out of our local group, creating a clean swept echo chamber.

>>69023277
if you're going to go around and be liberal around far-leftists you're going to have to deal with the cold shoulder.

Rosa Luxembourg never forget.

>>69022389
>"All punks should be apolitical or right wing."
>says man who does not play punk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j7Z-6Wm6TY

>>69023065
>>69023150
i guess i'm mixing up terms here but from what i understand the left is for big government (the welfare state, increased government program spending, etc.) while the right is for smaller government ("pull yourself up by your bootstraps"), which would imply anarchism is a more right-leaning ideology.

>>69023297
Exactly.
Far-lefties are not any different than nazis.

punk is full of liberal crybabies who will spend their life working at coffee shops

>>69023065
>>69023065
what about anarcho-capitalist you dumbfuck

>>69023343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UsTJ8NR07U

>>69023060
>>69023314
>Ramones are somehow not punk

Is this some sort of a Tumblr revisionist initiative because of the band's ~problematic~ politics or something?
Because I hate to break it to you, but a lot of important punk bands were right-wing.

>>69023338
Not at all.
No government/smaller government does not pertain to a right/left spectrum.

i.e the ultimate goal of both communism and anarchism is the same non-state entity.

also anecdote here but "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" is *sniff* pure ideology.

>>69023362
Do you mean """"""""""""""anarcho""""""""""""""""-capitalism?

>>69023338
>which would imply anarchism is a more right-leaning ideology.

Anarchism is an umbrella term under which you can find almost every political color.

>>69023374
It's literally just pop-rock.

>>69022770
maturity = liking Trump

>>69023362
Literally not anarchists. Even the founder of ancap-ism says this.

>>69023343
Liberals.jpg

>>69023374
Ramones doesn't have a -problematic- political side to it. Johnny Ramone is just a delusional tosser.
Also they play early incarnations of "punk rock" which is absolutely deplorable.

>>69023347
[genre of popular music] is full of liberal crybabies who will spend their life working at coffee shops

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>>69023362
This is the only ancap band I know of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-GiWoDGhJM

>>69023419
i agree

>>69022389
the right is and always will be the wrong side. Sorry

take a step back and realize how fucking stupid you are. You're the fedora of politics.

>>69023382
Well if you analyze the world trough a materialist anarchist lense and don't come out under the traditional left-wing side of things you've done something really wrong tbqh

>>69023440
yet we took back america
move to canada loser :)

>>69023446
>implying clinton isn't a traditional right-winger

this is the magnitude of american political experience.

All you fucking kpop faggots should be immediately deported to /b/edophile,l the place were subhuman autism like this is meant to be spread.

>>69023440
you lost hahahahaha
you lost in the UK
you lost in the US
you lost in much of europe
you will soon start losing in all the other parts of europe as well, country after country after country
you and your beliefs will be out of the game for decades

and you owe it all to your own comically delusional, smug and elitist cognitive dissonance

you lost hahahahahahaha

>>69023446
(You)

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>>69023458
>american political experience
>let's watch the news

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>>69023475
Neoliberals lost. There hasn't been anything even remotely ressembling a real left since the 60s

Considereing Lou Reed, Iggy Pop, Richard Hell, and John Lydon are all leftists, I think Johnny's outnumbered.

>>69023503
this.

>>69023498
not an argument :)

>>69023517
I'm just giving you advice.

>>69023526
save it for the lgbtq :)

>>69023362
they are pretty much all Trump dick riding white nationalists by now. ie. Stephan Molyneux or the ancap subreddit. In practice the system would result in the rule of a few property owners with everyone else having little to no rights

>>69023440
t, loser

>>69023543
imagine being scum to this extent in the name of delusional ideology

>>69023517
Neither are any of your posts.

>>69023555
not an argument
>>69023561
that was my first post in this thread :)

>>69023547
>In practice the system would result in the rule of a few property owners with everyone else having little to no rights
Almost every form of anarchism would lead into submission of the masses under a protective force, therefore ending individual anarchism.

>>69023509
Lou Reed is a kike you faggot

>>69023468
Wrong thread.

>>69023595
he's also a literal faggot

>>69023616
he's also dead

>live in a white majority country
>immigration from middle east increases, mostly from countries that don't have the same liberal rights we have in the west
>rather than try and assimilate them into liberal society they're confined to camps, blocs and ghettoes
>rape and crime goes up
>decent people become racists and all blame is placed on immigrants and refugees

Honestly EU immigration is a shit show of course there are going to be shitty people when you bring in 100's of thousands of people but at the same time I can't entirely blame people for moving towards the right

>>69023595
even better

>>69023572
who goes around answering "not an argument" to people on the internet. yeah we know your ideology isn't logic but you don't have to embody it on here

>>69023573
stirner -> the door

>>69023642
not an argument

>>69023573
I'm for maximum freedom for all and descentralization. Anarchocapitalism won't eliminate government, if anything it would facilitate total control of the majority by a tiny minority. In top ancap texts there's even suggestions on how to physically remove political dissidents and leave them to starve in the desert

>>69023629
>living in a white majority european country
>refugees from a war ridden area increase in numbers
>literally no rape or crime statistics go up
>whites still top the rape offender statistics
>government goes into a hard on scare campaign led by christian fundamentalists

>americans telling people in europe how bad it is

>>69023669
I'm a Swedish national with us citizenship

I'm on the left, but it's literally a fact that rape and crime went up when immigration went up in Sweden. That is a fact. I don't claim to know why but you can't argue this fact

>>69023724
Sweden's integration policies are a fucking shitshow though

>>69023669
>>literally no rape or crime statistics go up
>>whites still top the rape offender statistics

Where is this magical place?

>>69023746
yep pretty much but i think it's dangerous to ignore the societies the people committing the rapes come from, as women's rights there are often non existent. If you believe in feminism and women's rights it should apply to every nation on earth. I feel people focus too much on race, the left and the right, to the point where you can't even criticize another culture without fear of being labelled racist.

>>69023754
Norway

>>69023774
You could say that but that remains inconsistent with cases where people of this culture comes and does not cause a upswing in crime statistics.
Integration is key.

>>69023796
True, Sweden has failed. I feel the rise of right wing beliefs in Sweden isn't because people are racist, but because of the failure of our immigration policy.

>>69023807
Yeah, and then roots of racism take hold. The right wing keeps on promising illogical solutions to widespread nuanced issues and it's a sad fact that these issues are not widely addressed on an educational level.

>>69023419
Country is full of liberal crybabies who will spend their lives working at coffee shops

>>69023855
fuck you my dad was a coffee shop

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>>>/pol/

>>69023834
>The right wing keeps on promising illogical solutions to widespread nuanced issues
what, like not taking importing the entire third world at once like sweden and germany did? that's not illogical.

>>69023890
fuck off

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>>69023440
keep crying you scum

>>69023906
You first, you dorito-eating motherfucker.

>>69023901
(You)

>>69023901
epic

>>69023890
>fuck you my dad was a coffee shop
is /pol/?

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>>69023927
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>>69023948
You can't run away from a conversation, by claiming everything's "not an argument", you sperg.

I think the alt right is the true punk rock of our times. In an aggresively antiwhite marxist-globalist world we are the true underdogs. The shrieking irrational ethnomasochists sjws, the homosexuals and the blue haired obese harpies are the establishment now. the fashy goys are the counterculture. The 60s counterculture won and now, the true rebels are those who still dare to be straight, white, lack mental illness or sexual perversion and feel no shame of it

>>69023946
no we just all have autism (probably true, by the way)

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>>69023962
sorry let me formulate a thoughtout response to "(You)" and "epic"

>>69023964
Is that /pol/ pasta?

>>69023962
"(You)" and "epic" is not contributing to a conversation lol

>>69023964
>literally taking office of the United States of America
>I think the alt-right is the true punk rock of our times

literally dumbest thing i've heard in this thread so far

>>69023989
it's true until he takes office at least

>>69023976
>>69023980
(You)

>>69023989
it's all over, he's been skinned and turned into a lizard puppet now

>>69023989
not an argument

>>69023976
>>69023980
epic

>>69023669
>refugees from a war ridden area increase in numbers
>literally no rape or crime statistics go up

lmao

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7470/germany-migrants-crime
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8663/germany-migrants-rape
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9229/germany-lawlessness

this is germany alone. sweden, the UK, italy, france and the netherlands are just as fucked, sweden arguably even more so. every other european country in which these people are situated is suffering the same problems, though to a lesser degree depending on how many migrants are forced upon them.

wherever these people are placed, they do their best to utterly demolish their surroundings and terrorize their native inhabitants.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/713032/Sweden-chaos-no-go-zones-increased-police-lose-control

>>69023964
Hahahaaaaaha

>>69024021
not an argument

When it became a consumerism-driven movement to get money from gullible teenagers who want to be physically special because they're so afraid of being boring in personality, so since its inception.

>>69024015
>>69024002
It's still representative of the population, and Punk has never been about being exclusionairy or consumeristic (the premise of the system alt-rightists thrive in) so it doesn't make sense to try and push it as some sort of purely "anti-establishment" movement. While Punk means different things to different people, there are still non-written rules, as there is with every grouping, limiting what is and what is not punk y'know?

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>>69023989
millions of soros thugs are marching down our streets right now, they are attacking whites and destroying private property. There's a lot of work to be done

>>69024056
not an argument

>>69024079
>Punk has never been about being exclusionairy
someone earleir ITT said he got kicked out of the his local punk scene for not being enough of a commie

>>69024084
>destroying private property

Good.

>>69024084
not an argument

>>69024103
>kicking out people for being exclusionairy is exclusionairy rrrrreeee

and so on and so on

>>69024056
well here you've presented facts, and as we know, facts are racist and racism is NOT an argument stupid drumpfkin!!!!

>>69024084
>destroying private property
in liberal cites. who cares?

>>69024124
Not an argument.

>>69024123
nah you're wrong. he literally said he was a liberal, where is the exclusion there?

>>69024143
>liberals can't be exlusionairy
liberals are cancer my guy

>>69024124
not an argument

>>69024143
liberals are dumb tho. Don't be mean to them, but its the basic bitch ideology

>>69023374
It's because they played pop songs you fucking retard.

>>69023796
>Integration is key.

i can't wait to hear your ideas about how to integrate people who think women have no right to object to rape but can also be killed or imprisoned for getting raped, that homosexuals deserve to be killed for existing and that all unbelievers are either to be killed or to be violently converted into your egalitarian progressive feminist LGBT-friendly utopia :-)

>>69024158
>>69024167
where did you detect any exclusion from the poster in >>69023079

>>69024197
>basement dwellers try to analyze social interaction - a right wing fairytale

>>69024197
they just need some TLC
they only act that way because of people like YOU
[/sarcasm]

>>69024203
well, that sounds like old school marxist leninist parties, more of an european thing. Had no clue it's a thing again.

>>69024197
Not an argument

>>69024203
If you're dismissed by far leftists group and you think they're
>faggot manlets

it's a high probability that that fuck was being an asshole

>>69024231
i'm not right-wing.

>>69024197
it's clearly because the people of such regressive nations like sweden are intolerant and racist
have you seen the tenements they put these poor, war torn people in? only 2 bathrooms, 3 bedrooms. they have 8 kids on average, how are they going to fit all those kids in there!!!

>>69024084
muh old jew soros

>>69024271
yes okay, make excuses for them. that's something the left is really good at.

>>69024278
No but your rhetoric and lack of experience in relation to refugees/immigrants tells a different story.

>>69024282
not an argument

Before the thread is deleted

Alt-rightists are just cyber rednecks

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>>69024358
what does that make you, an IRL cuck?

>>69024379
>rednecks trying to insult others

Lmao this is the worst board

>>69024308
alright then, it is clear to me that i am dealing with a man who has been blessed with an intellect far exceeding my own here

make sure to report back here on how your efforts to convince somalian and syrian refugees of the merits of queer theory, feminism and socialism went :-)

>>69024400
you can only discuss the same 30 or so albums so many times

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>>69024393
i don't need to insult you, the voters already have.

it makes sense since there can't be anarchism and left-wing politics

>>69024415
I always thought you people were the vanguard of "experience is vital" and all that, but apparently not when it is inconsistent with your ideology.

>>69024453
that's what i'm saying, dude!
go do it and then report back here on your vital experience!

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>punk is the most left-wing genre
>also the most simplistic and repetitive
hmmm

I pretty much got ostracized from my local punk scene 16 years ago for holding right-wing beliefs. I was young and didn't even realize that so many so-called "punks" held left-wing ideology until I started being criticized for voicing my own beliefs and opinions by those who were supposedly open-minded, and it made no sense to me. I latched onto the punk scene for the same reason I supported right-wing policies: because individuality and self-preservation were important to me. I thought that was what the punk scene was about when I got into it, but I was unfortunately wrong.

>>69024443
silly leftists, REAL anarchism is the unrestricted dictatorship of property holders

>>69024493
>tfw liberal society has ingrained itself so hard into your mind that you think right-wing beliefs and holding onto them are considered open-minded

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>>69024486
>punk is more simplistic and repetitive than drone or onkyo

>>69024529
Drone is(ironically) a lot less repetitve than punk. And why you'd think Onkyo is repetitive is beyond me. Have you only heard GMGN?

>>69024529
Onkyo is at least creative and has a solid artistic foundation. Political punk is just teenagers yelling COPS ARE MEAN over three chords.

>>69024529
>onkyo
>simplistic
enjoy your redneck music faggot

>>69024514

Reread my post a few times until you comprehend what I actually wrote.

>>69024493
>pretty much got ostracized from my local punk scene 16 years ago...

Same here, my local punk scene is also the absolute nadir of open minds and individualism.
They can´t cope with the recent changes like refugees, Trump and rise of European nationalism.
Almost every other left or liberal scene fairs way better.

>>69024514
liberal hegemony did wonders for suppressing the left and making it seem like the only alternatives are either propietarianism or ethnonationalism

I think punk can't help but show right-wing tendencies sometimes. Even though the vast majority of punks hated Reagan, Holiday in Cambodia is a tirade against left-leaning yuppies.

>>69024577
what do individuality and selfpreservation got to do with protestant property worship and racial tribalism?

>>69024618
>thinking Holiday in Cambodia somehow shows right-wing tendencies for critizising yuppies

o lawd

>>69024594
>Same here, my local punk scene is also the absolute nadir of open minds and individualism.

And this is why the punk scene got marginalized into an echo chamber of the extreme left.
The continued cutdown of the scene´s political spectrum contributes a huge part to the decline and ultimate perishment of the punk scene.

>>69024633
It's all pure ideology

>>69024633
>every single person on the right wing believes in every single right of center belief
you have a child's level of political understanding

>>69024645
>Acting like Holiday in Cambodia doesn't sound like something out of an early Obama-era Glenn Beck radio show.

>>69024358
>Alt-rightists are just cyber rednecks
>liberals refuse to accept that their "everyone who disagrees with my beliefs is a redneck" party line is what paved the road for Trump's victory in the first place
>instead they are doubling down on their superiority/persecution complexes and further digging their holes instead of realizing that the smart thing to do would be to turn towards level-headed and truly open discussion and a healthy mindset regarding the achievement of their goals that would be open towards compromise with the other side

enjoy the next 8 years

>>69024633

Nice strawman, dude. Maybe politics are too complicated for you.

>>69024696
Exactly. They're going to keep losing if they just brush off all criticism as misogyny or racism.

>>69024680
this song is about the conservative virtues of hard work and self reliance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgpa7wEAz7I

honestly, this is what happens when you let the right monopolize all criticism of liberalism

>>69024680
Like I know right-wingers are incapable of materialist analysis but I thought they'd be able to at least analyze lyrical literature.

Yuppies were constantly criticized by left-wingers, the song is one large call out of privilieged white people thinking they're experts on the oppression of people around the world.

>>69024696
Vindication of working class people are still a large problem that people are more and more starting to realize now, thank fucking god. But don't act like alt-rightists made up a significant portion of those disillusioned people. People have put this better before but the Trump election was basically a stab at the liberal establishment ignoring their needs, but soon they're going to realize Trump being a false messiah.

btw

industrial >>> punk

prescribing trends for groupers doesn't sound like a very PUNK thing to do

>>69024715
>>69024679
In America, right wingers tend to follow a version of Lockean natural rights morality, which emphasizes the right to property above everything else. There's a puritan protestant element to all this, ie. the quasi religious status accorded to the founding fathers and the constitution. From the outside it looks quite weird and culturally specific. The left takes the shape of the bogeyman of paternalistic liberalism coming to take hard working people's stuff and give it to the lazy poors. actually, Paternalistic liberalism is the other side of the coin, ie. calvinist guilt and the individualistic quest to be 'a good person', rather than actually changing the world, because that might also benefit some 'bad' people who don't deserve it. That's why I feel there's a need to go beyond that

but I like Crass

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>>69024886
industrial
>gay nazis fuckin each other in the ass and eating the poo poo
punk
>waaaaah daddy didn't love me fuck you marge i'm voting labour
industrial >>>>> punk

https://youtu.be/skyzWf-qIa0

>>69024950
This is nothing but ear rape.
Punk is dead.

>>69024940
>right wingers tend to follow

That doesn't mean that all do. I've met many right-wingers in my life, and I haven't met a single one who follows what you're describing. All you're doing is making the worst strawman argument that I've ever seen.

>>69025057
so how would you define being right wing, then? I'm curious

>>69023409
You don't have to like Trump to find edgy shirts about him shooting himself fucking stupid

>>69025100
>not enjoying depictions of regicide

i blame the american moral censorship of media for this

>>69025133
he is a democratically elected leader and SJWs are threatening to kill him. not funny dude. These people are sick, they want to kill white babies, they want a communist dictatorship, it's serious, i am a Trump supporter in a highly liberal and POC populated area and i'm scared right now

>>69025190
>they want to kill white babies, they want a communist dictatorship, it's serious, i am a Trump supporter in a highly liberal and POC populated area and i'm scared right now

Good, be scared
the boogeymen are coming for you in your sleep.

In all seriousness, images of Trump killing himself is about the most enjoyable thing existing today. Get outta here.

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I just think it's funny watching libtards think they're the rebels in this era.

>>69023503
You wouldn't know that by every leftist out there sucking Hillarys cock for wanting to start World War 3 and fuck around more in the middle east. I used to think those were shitty imperialist things to do, but apparently they're OK if a women does it, according to the American left.

>>69025310
>he thinks liberals are left

>>69025252
>In all seriousness, images of Trump killing himself is about the most enjoyable thing existing today.

not really
the most enjoyable thing existing today is looking back on all the smug and self-assured pre-emptive gloating that the liberal media and its cookie-cutter followers did about hillary winning

>>69025133
I'm not even an American, you retard. I'm just sick of watching them cry and scream like babies because their shitty candidate lost

>>69025330
many, many liberals do see themselves as leftists. in their minds liberalism and leftism are one and the same.
your tumblr clique of "true leftists" is by far the minority when it comes to 21st century "leftism".

Why is Punk so left leaning, but post-punk is Right?

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>>69025338
>the most enjoyable thing existing today is looking back on all the smug and self-assured pre-emptive gloating that the liberal media and its cookie-cutter followers did about hillary winning

fucking this. the look on Megan Kelly's face when Trump won the Presidency was priceless.

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>>69025382
post-punk is largely apolitical, actually
i can't really think of any right-wing or right-leaning post-punk figures aside from ian curtis, douglas pearce, morrissey(who's a total mixed bag, politically) and jaz coleman(whose politics are convoluted as fuck and neither straight-up right-wing nor straight-up left-wing)

>>69025381
Identity politics has basically destroyed American leftism, and it's in the process of destroying it in other countries. Economic populism isn't a part of it anymore, and you get shit on for talking about it for being 'racist' for some reason, like Bernie did.

Now that it's no longer a threat to their pocketbooks, corporations and wealthy celebrity oligarchs pledge their full support behind the democrats, because no boardroom gives a shit about pronouns as long as they can still fuck the working man. They've been co-opted, and it feels like either no one noticed or no one cares, I dunno which is more depressing

what's the best ramones album?

>>69025629
it's alive

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anarcho-punk is best punk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dmV1GoUGW4

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Hitler was the first and greatest punk rocker. He had a sense of showmanship, he didn't give a fuck, and he is so edgy even his very name is enough to TRIGGER libshits and bring them into tears. Hitler was the ultmate fuck you to the establishment of both jewish bolshevism and jewissh capitalism

>>69024696
>the smart thing to do would be to turn towards level-headed and truly open discussion and a healthy mindset regarding the achievement of their goals that would be open towards compromise with the other side

yup
it's really unfortunate, i see liberal and conservative people talking past each other all the time without realizing how much common ground they actually have on so many issues, how much room there is for solutions which should be acceptable for both sides
instead of taking those core foundations and building upon them they tend to just focus on the shit that they disagree on

>>69026091
no way, caligula was the be-all-end-all punk rocker

>>69025383
edgy

>>69022389
>The only right wing punk band was shit.
What a surprise!

>supporting the status quo
>Punk
Literally how

>>69026901
the status quo is marxism cuckoldry and white genocide, but nice try dude

>>69026901
For the last 8 years in America the left was the status quo

The best punk bands are always the ones with non-political lyrics but with members that belonged to the radical left.

Prove me wrong.

>>69026929
Damn... You have opened my eyes...

>>69026942
Obama is a neoliberal economically and quite imperialistic politically

>>69026942
>Neoliberalism
>Left wing
Literally how

>>69026851
a shitload of the 70s/early 80s punk bands were rightwing, even outside of the british RAC/streetpunk thing
the ramones, x, bad brains, agnostic front, warsaw, fear, the list goes on....

>/mu/ thinks socialists and liberals are the same thing

>>69026978
I don't disagree, but that's what the left in America is nowadays. The right in Europe isn't going to be as rightwing as the American right is, either, and claiming that the entire left wing in America consists of democratic socialists is intellectually dishonest, it's like claiming that the entire right wing is just the libertarian and everyone else is a filthy left wing statist.

>>69026942
>For the last 8 years in America the left was the status quo
>>69026929
>the status quo is marxism cuckoldry and white genocide, but nice try dude
Holy fucking shit dudes

who gives a fuck what the ramones think

>>69027082
But the right wing is in favour of a strong state while the left wants no state at all

>>69027093
I know, how can anyone believe something I don't believe in CURRENT YEAR? What do they think they're doing, don't they know everyone has to agree with me?

>>69027117
right now, at least in the U.S., both want a strong state, the left more-so when it comes to things like welfare and dem programs.

>>69026023
That's deathrock

>>69028212
it's also crust punk (the best in the genre)

>>69025308
Yeah, you know left-wing leanings are no longer punk when it's an ideology your parents are likely to have.

>>69022389
>When and why did punk primarily become the refuge of oversensitive, sheltered consumerist weaklings with cookie-cutter college liberal beliefs?

Blame Ian MacKaye and riot grrrl.

>>69025133
>moral censorship of media

>culture since the 50s
>getting more moral

Punk is anti-establishment, so by definition it depends on what the establishment is.

>>69022770
The irony (Trump voters were far less likely to be highschool or college educated... Ya know, like children)

>>69023890
I found the real autism

>>69026949
dead kennedys??????????????

>>69022709
cringe

I know right!

How are bands like NoFX considered punk when they are just leftist jews who hated Bush?

How culturally devoid was the early 2000's?

>>69022389
THIS IS THE TRUE PUNK ROCK

Reject all traces of slave morality. Want a Whites Only Planet? go for it! no mercy. We have been held down for to long, they have tried to poison us with guilt but no more. No more! Hitler did not go far enough. If anything he was too soft, too careful, too gentle... but we won't make that mistake again, oh no! will go all the way! we will destroy them all! the feminists and the communists, the anarchists and the islamists, homosexualists, jews and transgenderists! its been too long. far too long. When they shriek racist! bigot! white prividledge! at our faces in that shrill SJW voices of theirs, increasingly desperate, the self righteousness turning into pathetic animal fear, it shall be no use. The spell has been broken... We will take what we can from them because we can. Because we are strong and they are weak and the Law of the Jungle is the only Law. For EVROPA! AWAKE MY BROTHERS! AWAKE!

Let's do it my brothers, we shall bring back the glorious spirit of the nordic beserker. We shall Rise and the Cucks shall tremble before our Might! they will tremble, oh so powerlessly, so pathetically, they shall kneel and beg for Mercy... But the Mighty Saxon will merely raise his axe and grumble a single gruff syllable: NO.