>ITT ARTISTS WHO WILL BE REGARDED AS GENIUS IN THE FUTURE

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Ariel Pink is our generation's Todd Rundgren and our generation's Frank Zappa

prove me wrong, grimethfags

>>68833802
I think calling ariel a genius is overrated atm. everybody knows he's good. but his albums are still lacking cohesion

>>68833831
I have always thought this

>>68833831
All three are awful
So yeah I agree

>>68833831
>Frank Zappa
I don't think he's self aware.

>>68833802
Fuck off Grimesfag

>>68833831
he wishes that lmao
ariel isn't close to those guys cmon

>>68833906
How is he not close?

>>68833889
Not a grimes fag but ok

OPN is the new Brian Eno.

>>68833925
i'll let the music speak for itself
compare this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptoN-5QE0Lw
to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id4jF-6bHnw


or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy4KU0bWrbc

to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scamtjc_H1g

this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxB4weCzqGE

to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRDb-StFdlY

I love ariel but cmon. both todd and frank HEAVILY worked on their craftsmanship being top notch. ariel still has that" I can't afford being a real rock star so imma just wing it"

>>68833831
ok agreed.

>tfw Ariel is 38

>>68833802

>Grimes
>genius

Pick one

>>68834049
But look at songs like White Freckles. It totally sounds like something Zappa would release. I'm not saying Ariel is as skilled and talented as Zappa because he's not, but a lot of his work resembles Zappa.

>>68833889
>>68834157
This gave me a chortle. Well done.

>>68834204
zappa with access to our technology would be making much better songs than white freckles.
anyway I love both but calling ariel the frank zappa of our generation isn't accurate.
I know the influence is their but the ideas zappa wanted for the future and what ariel does isn't even close.

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he kissed me once after one of his shows

I'm an 18 year old boy btw

>>68834274
If you think Mac Demarco is a genius you need to rethink that.

>>68834274
Were you 18 at the time?

>>68833802
fuck yes. I hate that his only known work here is Pom Pom. and, people think he did everything on Pom Pom. he didn't, but he came up with almost everything. he knows what to do. John Maus has worked with Ariel, and written extensively on him. he hails him as a genius, he gushes on their blog from 2003 about how no one makes art anymore except Ariel.

Why is it that modern artists typically only release like 3 good albums max then just turn to shit or stop completely ?

>>68834341
not true
john thinks post 4ad ariel isn't good.

>>68834204
DONT judge Ariel by Pom Pom. judge Ariel by LOVERBOY. judge Ariel by HOUSE ARREST. judge him by his earlier work; Pom Pom is horrible and so are the two albums before it [compared to earlier works].

>>68834345
Popular opinion

>>68834355
Maus's whole career has consisted of ripping off Ariel anyway so lol

>>68834355
yeah that's what I'm saying, I'm the reply saying Pom Pom is horrible if you can't tell. it's sad, you know, it's real sad that he signed to 4AD.

>>68834382
is this bait?

>>68834382
they were already making music before they met each other. John had already finished 'love letters from hell' and 'I want to live,' before meeting Ariel. John isn't entirely hypnagogic pop like Ariel is, like Geneva jacuzzi is. John is hazy post-punk-driven medieval-influenced synthpop.

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>>68833802

>>68834365
Please explain

>>68834319
>>68834326
I was just posting a pic. I'm talking about ariel

John Maus is literally Ariel Pink: No fun allowed mode

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They've done a lot of innovative stuff over the last decade

>>68834434
not him
but his 4ad stuff is like a lite version of his "genius"
considering some of the post 4ad songs are just remakes of his lo fi songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArRHRN7C6OU

>>68834435
Were you 18 at the time he kissed you?

>>68834452
background?

>>68834459
Agree.

>hipsters pretending mature themes isn't the GOAT ariel and loverboy is somehow better

lol

>>68834461
yeah... have you heard the original version of lipstick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XpWJ9DZ5Ao

>>68834506
THIS

WHO /WORNCOPY/

>>68834461
Ya, pretty much. I don't want to consider Ariel a hack yet.. he's always liked pissing people off.. but he'd never do it intentionally through poor music creation. but, keep in mind, (most, non tumblr) lo-fi musicians don't want to be lo-fi. even grimes moved on to better equipment and all.

pom pom is a lot more cohesive than his other later albums, but I really implore you all to listen to his earlier works. also, read what John has written about him that's available to the public.

t. 10,000 maus plays and 8,000 Ariel plays and have emailed John maus

>>68834506
go to bed scaruffi
>>68834511
i've listen to ariel pink 6,000+ times m8

>>68834511
inferior to the remake. where are the PS1 menu digeridoo noises

>>68834530

>>68834541
dam

>>68834577
im glad he stayed true to his Ethiopian influences even in Pom Pom

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>>68833802
Kanye West is more than an artist, he is the living incarnation of the Hegelian world spirit, like Napoleon was back in the early 19th century. Those who claim to hate Kanye actually hate themselves, they are put off by the stark, ugly profound truths expressed in his Art. I can't blame them, Kanye can be too much for some people.

>>68834435
so? Were you 18?

>>68834613
LOL what

>>68834643
I don't have to answer that

>>68834577
it's not backwards compatible

>>68834648
ya he collects ethiopian music tapes, it's a direct influence of his. it's not, like, black kids screaming. its gorgeous. he talks about it a lot.
https://youtu.be/YhQXWn7Siok
https://youtu.be/zMfaKobfYmw

>>68834661
thats a no, ariels dirty old man rumours only worsen

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everyone likes at least one of his albums

>>68833802
Fuck i hate you little uneducated shits. Please stop misusing the word genius for your sub par artists. Cheers.

>>68833836
That's personally why I like his albums. They are celebrations of pop music as a whole. A flowing cohesive Ariel Pink album would be the most boring thing in the fucking world. His albums are meant to play out like a mixtape or a playlist.

>>68834345
This has been the case for decades. The exceptions are usually well known for that very reason.

>>68834928
you're in the know. I like you.

>>68834928
>A flowing cohesive Ariel Pink album would be the most boring thing in the fucking world.
Don't make excuses for him.

>>68834435
I thought Ariel was straight...

>>68834459
Like what? Besides becoming progressively worse.

I'm surprised no one has posted Death Grips yet, I guess all the kids are in school.

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>>68833802
GRIMES

/thread

>>68833831
I like him better than Frank Zappa. Maybe Zappa's humor is dated or something now. I think Zappa's Hot Sink Rats is better than anything Pink has done thus far.

>>68835250
he is but he kissed boys for fun

>>68835376
>IN THE FUTURE
Fyi Grimes is already widely considered to be an artistic genius. This thread is categorically beneath her - let them argue over their Ariel Pinks.

>>68833831
You are wrong. Grimes > Ariel Pink, proven by me and science.

>>68835470
give me a single proof of him kissing a boy

>>68835671
>>68835706
Get out. Why do grimesfags always have to ruin everything.

>>68835745
Why?

>>68835671
Good point.

So, where do I go after Pom Pom?

>>68835745
https://youtu.be/ZjBwdNOBdV8 he kisses a boy in this. go to 1:32

>>68835925
Mature Themes

>>68835925
mature themes
house arrest
lover boy
THE DOLDRUMS

>>68835760

This was me >>68835671

Whether you or I like it, the VAST majority of opinion on the matter is that Grimes IS a musical genius. My post was meant to forestall a Grimes-related shit-storm. Assuming your goal is to have an actual OP-related conversation in this thread, you should be thanking me.

>>68836034
The vast majority doesn't care

>>68836072
>The vast majority
...of opinion on the matter

>>68836100
So a few dozen

>>68836134
Lol I see you've lost all your supposed interest in Ariel Pink...

>>68836239
Never claimed to have any, just came to here to act a ass

>>68834157
Both.

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>>68833802
Annie & Claire

>>68834427
Shame that John Maus almost disappeared from the face of the earth. His 2011 album was a masterpiece, I still listen to it often.

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>>68833802

>>68834274
post legs

>>68836901
don't worry. he was on Sam Hyde's show recently, on TV, and his shirts from the 2000s are back in stock. he will be back, very soon. very, very soon. he had to finish his thesis a while back and it hindered his ability to produce as much music. he almost released an album in 2015. he's using twitter again now. don't worry.

>>68837167
also, he really hates himself. he scraps most of the music he makes.. i have all his bootlegs, even material from when he was 13, if anyone is genuinely interested in the man i know a lot about him.

taylor swift

>>68837211
whos his music influences ?

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>>68837229
he really likes medieval music and minimalist modern classical. he hates most music, it's kind of funny, he even has an old demo called "I hate music" (which has surfaced). he really admires DIY artists, genuine, real DIY. he had to custom build most of the equipment he works with. he rarely talks about the music he does like, and when he does he gushes about ariel or stockhausen or shoenberg.
also, he hates geneva jacuzzi. he likes synths but isn't actually influenced by any 80s synthpop.

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>>68833802
If you don't regard her as such already, you're dead wrong

>>68837293
>medieval music and minimalist modern classical
Any artist in particular ?
shock no post punk mentioned. he used to talk about jd bit on his old website

>>68836452
Hey - at least you're honest.

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Snagged this a couple days ago

>>68837337
he really, really likes Stockhausen. he mentions Morton Feldman from time to time but doesn't admire him. it's hard to tell, sometimes, with him because he tries to not explicitly state whether or not he hates a specific genre or artist.

he hates gothic rock though (the more popular artists, at least) because he thinks it's too preoccupied with image. he's said he didn't like joy division once or twice but, he probably meant he didn't like the type of culture they took part in + their fans. he's funny

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>>68833802
No one can contest this

>>68837608
she's ok

>>68837293
>he likes synths but isn't actually influenced by any 80s synthpop.
I like the most his synth work and his voice, of course. He did a really good job considering he's not influenced by any 80s synthpop as you said.

>>68837608
>>68837028
Her voice, though...

i agree.
every night i die at miyagi's will be considered in the future as one of the greatest pieces of music ever written.

>>68834625
you are very correct

None of them.

Music is creatively dead.

Ahlcheuletistas
jim o rourke(if not already)
Death grips/zach hill(lol yeah fuck you)
ben frost
Maybe flying lotus or knxwledge
Maaaaaayyyyyybe arca and opn

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>>68837760
pleb

>>68837412
He has stated that Nirvana are his heroes.

>>68837760
There is nothing wrong with it.

>>68837608
Actual right answer.

>>68834625
wtf i love kanye now

DEAKIN
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>>68841184
>tfw deak got leaked

>>68833836
t. rockist

>>68833802
loool the only people who ever will are hyperbole retards who in recent times have been implying his music is anything more than pretty good lo-fi shtick.
>b-but Round and Round is the best pop song ever, Pitchfork told me so!
get the fuck outta here you 12 year old AnCo loving dipshit

>>68834461
>[YouTube] Ariel Pink's Haunted Graffiti - This Night Has Opened My Eyes

You know this is a cover right?

>>68843635
are you retarded?

>>68843646
Sorry, I thought you were using a cover that's not that different from the original as representative of his "genius."

>>68834625
You mean he embodies the trend towards self involvement and narcissism?

I honestly just don't give a shit about his music

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>>68837760

>>68837028
>I'm excited about the idea of Grimes. I haven't wrapped my head around the record.

>the idea of

might as well have said she's "brave" with full on air quotes. joanna newsom actually knows how to play instruments and make tasteful choices, grimes is a complete mess.

>>68834511
Man this version sucks. New one is 10 times better.I have completely faith that his craftsmanship for arranging songs or for picking people to do it for him is far superior now than it ever was and that's why I'm most excited about current ap.

>>68837167
Wait elaborate on how he almost released an album in 2015? I know he made that tweet telling someone new music soon or whatever but damn its been 5 years

>>68835925
In this particular order
Before today
Doldrums
House arrest
Worn copy
Mature themes (if you still care)

>>68834049
>So Glad

He could have only ever released this song and he would still be remembered.

What's everyone's favorite john Maus album here?

Iv been loving the rarities album recently

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>>68845002
>might as well have said she's "brave" with full on air quotes
Read the rest of that quote. Come on, go ahead. To see it wasn't a flash in a pan, here's another one:
>I’m super excited that Grimes is getting so much attention for her amazing production too because she’s super, super talented. And she does everything! She produces completely on her own.

http://www.spin.com/2015/11/joanna-newsom-divers-interview/

And another one:
>I started to think of it as waveforms. The violin is not an uglier sound than the flute, it’s just a jagged waveform instead of a smooth waveform. There are certain things that, musically, I prefer over others: I like music that is in tune, I prefer when singers are in tune, I prefer when I’m in tune. In terms of people today, as I said, I’m a little out of the loop, but I have noticed I’m really excited by the way that Grimes frames herself, and seems utterly disinterested in her own beauty, which is really exciting to me. Sometimes it’s useful for an idea, and then other times it’s not useful for an idea, and she seems unaffected either way. I like her music as well, and I like what she says.

http://www.rookiemag.com/2015/10/joanna-newsom-interview/4/

Be mad that Joanna LOVES Grimes and you hate her. Joanna knows better than you.

>>68834355
He liked Pom Pom, just didn't like Before Today and Mature Themes.

>>68834506
Everyone was tepid about it and Anthony Smokestano said it wasn't weird, but I think it's his most genuinely weird, darkest hi-fi release to date. Pom Pom is obsessed with superficial weirdness.

>>68845716
Source?

>>68835278
>took influence from traditional folk music and applied it to neopsych
>worked with Vashti Bunyan and John Cale
>Deak's style of impressionist guitar playing

>>68836901
>>68837167

World Peace's Cinematographer confirmed he's finishing a new album on the MDE [spoiler]Sub-reddit[/spoiler]

>>68833831
This desu

>>68834452
Kek

>>68834928
I think before today flows well

I really love Before Today, Mature Themes or Pom Pom next? Or something else?

Don Cab

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>>68847358
What about the collaborate he did with tangerine dream?