/gg/ - Guitar and Bass General

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0iwaZzVTZza
Can you tell that this is the intro to children of bodom?

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>>68737134
I have already given up, that was months ago.
All i did was memorize a few chords and tried a few exercises but it's just all work and no play so i couldn't force myself to keep doing it.
Maybe I could have fun with guitar if i could play something but if i have to study and do exercises for a few hundred hours first then it's just no fun.

>>68749250
A few chords is all you need to play along to songs, but whatevs.

>>68749250
you are the type of guy who need to jam before learning chord, you need the fun before the practice, and then it'll give u motivation.
Just play whatever that sound good on ur guitar, don't use chord, play with friends, and maybe later learn some easy music like punk rock.
You will want to learn more if it's begin to be a game for you

>>68749445
>Just play whatever that sound good on ur guitar
Could you elaborate on this?
I think you're right but I'm not sure what you're suggesting. I can only play alone unfortunately.

>>68749550
focus on playing on 1 (or 2) string, you can do a good number of good riff with 1 (or 2 ) string (sum41,blink 182, green day, Linkin park etc)
try some notes, once you get something you think is good, try to combine it like you will do for a sentence, try to make "sing" your guitar.
Then do it on every string, but only when you want to play of course remember that it's a game.
More you want to play, more you will play, and more you will get better.
If you do this some weeks you'll start to get the skill you need to begin to actually play what you learn with tabs.

If you don't like tabs try something like Rocksmith or Yousicien

>>68749223
The fuck?

>>68749223
>>68749884
I think he is tying something too difficult for him xD
CoB is fucking hard man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWx_GyTLGmQ

is it worth buying pedals for my line 6 spider IV or should I save up for a new amp first it's only for bedroom playing and a bit of recording so idk

>>68749250
You can learn songs, anon. Look up some pop punk and commence the chugga. Three note power chords max, usually just two.

Don't give up.

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What's the hardest and easiest song to play on Marquee Moon? (Richard Lloyds parts)

>>68750187
Are you trying to use the pedals to make your amp sound better or to make a palette for a sound you want?

If it's the former, I suggest getting a new amp.
If it's the latter, then it's good for you to keep the pedals when you save enough for a new amp.

>>68750187

I would save up for a different amp, if only because I have heard a lot of bad things about the Spider amps. Really depends on what you want to do, sound-wise, though.

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Hey mind if I post some gear in here?

1/4: Most of my guitars, both of my amps: PRS McCarty Korina Soapbar, Gretsch Electromatic Pro Jet, Fender "Thin Skin" Jazzmaster, Ibanez Artcore AF-105, Vox AC15hw1, Egnater Tweaker 15.

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>>68750549

2/4: PRS SE 277 Semi-Hollow (baritone)

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>>68750569

3/4: 1999 Fender American Standard Jazz Bass.

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>>68750582

4/4: pedals.

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>>68750569
want want want
>>68750549
Whats the artcore like? I was interested in some variant of it before I bought my florentine epiphone.

>>68750422
>>68750529
I think while saving up for a new amp I'll buy the odd pedal during the saving up just to be sure because the clean channel isn't that bad really for what I want it's just that using the effects on it is tedious because you can't mix it up much

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Here are my stupid guitars.
1. Fender Stratocaster (Mexican Standard)
2. Squier Bullet Bass MIJ '83 (Didn't get it with original pickups tho)
3. Epiphone Firebird (Probably the shittiest guitar in existance)
4. Cort Ce304T

>>68750594
How is the Boss Fuzz my man?

>>68750598

I really like the Artcore line a lot. I had an AS-73 before that was great for the price. I switched out the pickups for Seymour Duncan Seth Lovers on the AF-105 and I don't plan to ever sell it (also I dropped it and there's kind of a gash in the finish on the top so I wouldn't get anything for it anyway).

>>68751071
Sounds like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAPVcsDOU9U#t=1m29s

>>68749684
Do you mean playing along to songs? That could work, how would you recommend getting better and progressing from that?

I've been kind of learning to play the guitar for 3 years now with less than impressive results. I haven't fapped for the last two weeks, I feel more concentrated and creative, like I could finally make some progress. What are some techniques or resources to pump up my skill?

>>68750849
Why is the Firebird a shitty guitar ?

>>68749223
You're not serious right? If you are, kudos on having the courage to post this.

>>68751757
Just buy the Guitar Grimoire and learn a bunch of scales.

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>>68750187
Definitely get an amp first. As far as tone goes, your amp is like the biggest contributor. A shit amp will sound like shit no matter how many pedals you put in front of it.

In ranking of importance for tone:

Amp>pickups>strings(gauges)>pedals>everything else.

>>68751918
the way you attack the string with or without your pick is as important as the gauge/winding/tension it has

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>>68751982

Yeah, were talking about things he can solve by just throwing more money at it though. Not so much technique.

As a bass player, could I just bring a DI box to all my gigs rather than a big fuckhuge amp? I don't have a car

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>>68752144
You sure can

>>68752144
You could, but you'd be relying on the venue's PA system, which is probably in very questionable condition and doesn't sound great.

>>68752433
Mate, he plays bass

>>68751803
The quality is absolute shit. I bought it when I had very little knowledge about guitars. And it's produced in China

>>68750549
Fucking LOLOLOL

prs = apple
LP headstock and a whamwham
Shoegaze master
a routed archtop

re-evaluate your life choices

>>68752816
If PRS are the Apple of guitars, then why don't I see hipsters who use their Macbooks at Starbucks play them a lot?

Gibson is a much better equivalent as a comparison to Apple.

Is the Earthquaker Pitch Bay any good as a pitch shifter? I know earthquaker has a good reputation but I would like to know from people who have actually used it

>>68751540
Not the anon you're replying to but yes. Try not to think in terms of 'how will this make me improve' all the time. Experience will always help. And also playing along with songs will teach you things like staying on tempo, listening to the bass and drums and locking in with them. It sounds like you're putting a lot of pressure on yourself right now. Try to split up your practice time a bit tp always include something fun and easy; playing along with easy songs, making silly noises with effects, whatever.

Music is a lot of fun and you don't need to have all your theory and technique up to snuff first before the fun begins. There are lots of songs that require very little in that regard to start playing. Punk and pop punk are good places to look. And also, you will learn the importance of palm muting when you play those genres (learning!).

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Should I get this amp as someone who has been playing guitar for about a year?

My guitar's E and A strings make a lot of noise when I'm playing power chords, it's not so noticeable when listening only to the amp but it bothers me somewhat.

Is this normal? It's kinda like some buzzing sounds, they only disappear if I play very softly, but what's the fun in that? It's not like I'm strumming that hard too.

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I just bought this. It has 40 pages manual.

Ask me anything.

>>68753453
why 40 pages?

Just got a Gibson Les Paul Studio, sounds SO much better than my last guitar (RG7321 with D-Activator in bridge) it's unreal.
Amp:
>6505+ 112 combo
Pedals:
>Tuner
>Maxon 808 overdrive
>ISP Decimator noise gate
>Memory man


What pedal should I get next?

>>68753002
No

That amp is like MXR making a banjo.

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>bassist going through divorce
>we have a long history
>i introduced her to her husband
>been dating her for a couple months
>drummer mistakes our band's group chat for a message from her
>drummer shows up for practice
>tell him about me and bassist
>find out she made out with the drummer last week
>my first thought
>"we're actually a real band. this could work"

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ATTN: STRAT DUDES

>What pickups do you have?
>Did you change/upgrade them, and if so what did you have before?
>What kind of music?

>>68749195
I installed a series/parallel switch to my jazz bass today, It sounds pretty cool. It's noisier but it has a lot more midrange, bass and it's louder too. The switch only cost me around £2 so I would recommend doing it if you have the time.

Thinking about getting a guitar with a Floyd rose, anything I should know?

>>68751918
Sound advice. It drives me mad when people complain about how their tone sucks and either have a cheap amp, shit pickups or haven't replaced their strings in 6+ months. Strings are the easiest thing to change and bass players are especially guilty of not changing them enough. Unless they are using flatwounds, then they can be forgiven.

>>68753849
Yes. Don't do it. Antidepressants aren't free.

I know this is not on topic, but this has to be the saddest crowd in rock history, especially the moment I linked but also the entire crowd.
Pls kill me
https://youtu.be/lIm3jgSHcbs?t=122

>>68753553
because it's modern technology. you can connect your phone and adjust loads of parameters, including 45 overdrive/fuzz/distortions engines

>>68753849
You're going to need to pay someone every time you want to change the strings unless you learn how, which is pretty challenging for beginners.

So don't get one.

>>68754176
It's not that hard man.

>>68754295
For someone with no clue it is.

I need a guitar that can handle standard C tuning. Any recommendations?

>>68754641
Better Ibanez or Chapman.
Or custom if you can

2-humbucker set-in 25.5 maple neck guitar
body = basswood or alder?

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Pic related is my German Warwick Rockbass NT 5. Best bass I've ever held and nothing comes close, anyone else sporting a Warwick these days?

>>68754641
Any guitar with a 25.5" scale should do fine. My recc is a cheaper Schecter like a used Omen.

>>68754718
*German Warwick NT 5
Fuckin lol, this ain't a Rockbass. I should probs go to bed since it's 3:30am here.

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Guitar I got at the beginning of the month, ET Katana 7 string, single Lundgren M7 in the bridge, greatest rhythm guitar ever.

>>68754713
Recording guitar mainly = Alder
Live guitar = Basswood

Personally I prefer alder. But Basswood is lighter so I appreciate that aspect. Although I believe it doesn't make a *huge* difference to your tone, basswood usually tends to help achieve a mellower tone imo.

>>68754641
http://www.fgnguitars.com/jmy_al_m.html
I have one of these. Comes from the factory in drop C tuning.
It's made in the same factory as Ibanez Prestige guitars but costs less than any Prestige or comparable Schecter. Insane value for money. The neck is especially nice, because the profile is asymmetric.

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>>68754888
That looks pretty sick, always wanted to try one of those, don't think they make any lefty. Should be getting one of these in the near future once the sale goes through, will be setting it up in dropped C for slam/BDM etc.

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>>68754978
No lefties, it seems. Ibanez Prestige is always a great choise though. I bought that one because Ibanez didn't have good hardtail models available here at the time and it was also cheaper.

>>68754641
Any regular scale guitar, when set up properly, will handle C standard.

>>68750244

Venus is p difficult

simple uh... See No Evil I guess?

>>68755101
Les Paul can handle B just fine too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KKYJD09qCk

>>68754817
>basswood usually tends to help achieve a mellower tone imo.
Is it true that you can achieve a better les paul sound using basswood than the original mahogany les paul

>tonewood

>>68755156
but it's so tiny

>>68755171
You'd get used to it. Most of the time it would make sense that frets are closer together.

Guitar lessons at my local guitar store or lessons at some random dudes house? Where should I go for the best guitar education?

>>68755156

Bb too.

>>68755470
luthier

>>68755220
perhaps your tiny baby hands got used to it
as for me, fender feels quite small

>>68755470
marry a music teacher

>>68755508
I don't own a Les Paul. All four guitars have 25.5" scale. Why are you so defensive about your hands?

>>68755508

just get the Buckethead signature LP then

>>68753849
YEAH, how to google motherfucker. but heres some spoonfeeding.

It's not hard to setup or string a floating bridge unless you're a complete retard. A ccouple attempts and youtube videos, you should be good.

The sharp edge and bridge posts get dull after awhile (years). You have to learn to sharpen and maintain them.

>>68751822
That is seriously as good as I can play but I didn't seriously believe that anyone would recognize it.

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Cortfag's entry level industry theory:

>The name at the top of the headstock means nothing. A guitar that you enjoy is a good guitar worth your investment.

>Always try before you buy. Buy online to save money, or support a local store which is better for the economy.

>Woods make no discernible difference in electrically amplified instruments. You're paying for a design. Acoustic is the only exception to the tonewoods myth since the sound reverberates through the top of the guitar, affecting its natural tone, and different woods do sustain differently.

>Samick and Cort make the majority of the world's guitars in their factories in China, Indonesia, Vietnam, etc. All import Fender, Squier, Epiphone, Ibanez, PRS SE, Washburn, LTD, Schecter, Jackson, etc. models are made in the same factories with the same parts.
>Because of this, it is always a better value to buy a Samick or a Cort instrument instead of something they built for someone else.

>Whenever you purchase an instrument, pay extra to have it professionally set up with the strings you prefer and in the tuning you will most frequently use. These setups are typically needed seasonally.

>You should generally change your strings every month for guitar and every other for bass. This changes depending on the frequency of play, your climate, and the natural acidity of your hands.

>Do not start learning on an ERG. Start with the basics.

>You do not need to spend more than $200 on a new guitar to get something sufficient for starting out. Wait to purchase something nicer when it's certain that you will stick with guitar/desire a different sound and/or feel.

>It's more frugal to buy a good-playing cheap guitar and upgrade it than to buy a good-playing expensive guitar.

>Rocksmith/YouTube videos will never be better and more preferable to a teacher sitting down with you and showing you how to play.

>Don't ever trust a chain store employee. They are paid to sell you the most they can get you to buy.

>>68750598
What's going on with that finish, you're not attempting a refinish are you?

think i have the a chord down but shit still makes my fingers hurt
i've seen that it's better to not let your thumb and palm rest on the back of the neck, but fug my wrist desu
help?

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>>68753854
Totally.

I don't want to get into the whole "Tone Wood" debate, but I'm always taken aback at how many people get a fancy electric guitar, only to play it through a Roland cube with a sub 12" speaker or a cheap Fender Frontman.

You can make an Epiphone SG starter pack guitar sound great through a Dual Rectifier, but you'll probably run into some difficulty making a Gibson Les Paul sound good through a Line 6 Spider.

What's the most you should spend on a guitar? Is $5'ooo too much?

>>68757073
if you have to ask then you dont need it

>>68757003
How fucking huge are those cabs? Or is that woman ridiculously tiny?

>>68757073
Nope. Just be sure about what you want.

>>68756551
>Woods make no discernible difference in electrically amplified instruments
lmao

>>68757138
They don't. Tonewoods are an absolute myth

>>68755552
lmao I'm rather offensive about yours

>>68757151
Stop buying particle board guitars.

>>68757202
Obviously you need real wood but the different exotic species don't really matter

>>68757151
If you can't hear the difference between a Swamp Ash and Mahogany Les Paul, you might be retarded. It's not a huge difference but it is there. Granted, tonewoods matter more on bass

reminder that gittler did nothing wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1jwXjhrfJk

>>68757238
What your hearing are difference in densities and pickups most likely

>>68757238
Says the guy playing to no one in his bedroom, posting on a Mongolian moving picture board.

>>68757216
The wood doesn't need to be exotic but I must admit that my Tele with a single piece Khaya body and a single piece maple neck does sound great.

>>68757108
>what are angles

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>>68757238
In both live and recording situations, your audience is NOT going to gear the difference. Its very, very negligible.

With acoustic guitars, you'd have more of an argument. With solid body electrics, it's just old fashioned guitarist misinformation that's been passed down through the generations.

>>68757108
They're 1x12 cabs.

How is ebony as a fretboard wood? I heard it sounds snappy and the notes have a more immediate release

>>68757256
proof that tonewoods are real

>>68753665
She a ho

>>68755530
But the woman I'm planning to marry can only play oboe and sax, not guitar

>>68757404
Why are then playing a wooden instrument? Why not plastic?

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just bought pick related

Tell me how dumb I am

>>68757639
Marketing: http://aristidesinstruments.com/story/production-process

>>68757675
>Rosewood on a white guitar
>Pickup rings and pickguard
>Tremolo and not even a good one
>Black used randomly in plastic parts
I'm not sure are you the dumb one or Fender.

>>68757631
>the woman
what year are we in, 1950?

>>68757737
>Rosewood on a white guitar
>Pickup rings and pickguard
nice meme complaints

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>>68757700
Flaxwood is superior.

>>68757788
Both are valid complaints, especially the latter one.

>>68757831
Let me guess, rings and pickguards are bad because muh tone?

>>68757896
No. Guitars with pickguards sound boomy, which I dislike a lot but you simply don't need both in the same guitar. It's like gluing the neck to the body and still using screws on top of that or using a headless guitar bridge in a guitar with headstock and regular tuners. They could have just attached the pickups to the pickguard or get rid of the pickguard and used only the pickup rings. Even better it they used direct mounting and got rid of both.

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>>68758029
>Guitars with pickguards sound boomy

>>68757003
i-is that your gf anon?

nice c-cabs btw

>>68757486
I like it because it looks nice, is really easy to clean, and makes the neck feel more "solid". I personally feel that the density of the wood does make the strings sound less dampened compared to softer woods like rosewood. It's comparable to maple in sound imo. Your pickups may or may not pick up that difference though.

>>68758071
Well they do, because the routing and the pickguard form a chamber that starts to echo and resonate. It makes the guitar sound muffled. Self-denial doesn't help you here.

>>68757404
Bingo. The only discernible difference woods bring to the table in solid body instruments is feel and look. Most of your tone comes from your pickups, then your bridge, then your strings. You will also always sound like you on anything, so your fingers do the work as well.
>>68757486
>snappy
Hehe.
You most likely will not notice a difference.
>>68758196
This is valid. Anything that affects pickups will largely affect your tone.

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Should I get it lads?

Shouldn't direct mounting your pickups and having string through hardtail bring out more of the characteristics of the tonewood? It would be closer to an acoustic guitar constructionwise.

>>68758327
No. Save your money and buy some higher end American, European or Japanse guitar.

How do I get a good blues tone with a Les Paul?

>>68758327
Nah at that price you might as well save up a bit more and buy a used 60s lacquer model.

>>68758409
Learn to play blues well.

>>68758434
now what

>>68758409
Obviously you buy a Bluetone amplifier.
http://www.bluetone.fi/en/
Or just Laney Lionheart. At least it's cheaper.

>>68758447
Then it should sound good. Lots of blues guys used shitty gear and sounded great, if you have a Les Paul you're already doing better than half of all blues players.

Blues is one of those genres where your playing matters much more than your gear (unless you want to play some shitty corporate blooze like John Mayer or Eric Clapton)

Check out Hound Dog Taylor on a cheap ass Teisco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsE3JnsXTPs

>>68758409
be a lawyer

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>>68758327
>"hey i put american pickups and a piece of american plastic on this used indonesian guitar and stuck it inside an american case please give me double of what it goes for used xddddd"

I don't get these stupid assholes.

>>68757767
Just because it's current year doesn't mean I'm gonna marry a man.

>>68758534
what if I wanted to sound like SRV? That's totally unobtainable with a Les Paul, right?

>>68758196
>>68758260
Most pickguards are made of plastic lmao
Literally has no effect on the polepieces picking up the vibrations in the string. It's a fucking magnet. Putting plastic next to a magnet doesn't change the field produced by a magnet.

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>>68758571
Probably if you want that strat tone, best you could do is change the neck pickup to a strat pickup with these adapters. Then I bet you could get pretty close.

>>68758662
damn. that's fine. Maybe I just need a strat haha

>>68758577
Is your brain getting enough oxygen? We're not talking about an electromagnetic phenomena here. You know how a semi-hollow guitar sounds different from a solid body? Similar effect. The pickguard also attenuates certain frequencies, which produces a muffled sound.

>>68758121
Wife. Thanks. Only cost me $200 for both.

>>68758874
$200 for the cabs AND the wife? Damn, you did good anon.

so how do these guys get a sound this heavy with a telecaster:
https://vimeo.com/186010794

>>68758751
What the fuck are you on about? You were criticizing and electric guitar for having a pickguard because you claim the pickguard acts as a resonating box.
Your argument works acoustically, but do you even know how an electric guitar works? The strings vibrate over magnetic pole pieces, disrupting the magnetic field and generating an AC current in the coil around the poles. This is the signal which is amplified.
The acoustic resonance which you claim affects the sound clearly cannot in any way affect the electromagnetic phenomena which IS the sound.

>>68749250

I've been playing for 20 years & there is still so much to learn.
Quitting is easy, anyone can quit out.

>>68758953
>implying the guitar matters that much at all

it's all about the amp buddy

>>68758981
Yeah, because clearly the vibration of the strings doesn't interact with the guitar in any way... Silly me for thinking that the laws of physics affect guitars.

>>68759188
Muh humbuckers for rock and metal tho

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Bought this just now

>>68758953
You have a strange idea of heavy

>>68759222
I hear it's really nice. My line 6 M9 has a "'63 spring reverb" that I use all the time, I wonder if it's modeled after that pedal...

Hey /gg/, could someone give me some tab for this song? Thanks in advance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FYa98JL5yQ

>>68759255
no you little fag
gtfo

>>68749195
Sup y'all, can I get some feedback on my band's guitar track?

https://soundcloud.com/the-bamboo-shoots/time-runs-money-funds

Created by layering multiple guitars on top of each other and by methodically writing each section with an in-depth sound formation approach.

would love feedback, use feeling to play this and not theory.

>>68759238
Here's a better example:
https://whores.bandcamp.com/album/ruiner

>>68759288
I rate this lol xD random/10

>>68759288
Ass/10

>>68759188
I think he was playing into a Marshall. If I'm remembering right, the bassist was using a Sunn Model T when I saw them live.

This thread turned toxic... Should've expected it, this is 4chan.

>>68759379
Let's see your shit then if you're so good.

>>68759202
Yeah, because a covered routing in less than a quarter the overall body is going to make a perceivable difference in the tone whatsoever through acoustic interference with the strings. Seriously, you're just pulling this "it sounds darker" shit right out of your ass with nothing to back it up. Please, just stop proving your idiocy.

How's this for an EQ pedal? There's one near me for $60 and I'm thinking of maybe picking it up and a Dispatch Master for $80.

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>>68759528
I forgot the picture.

>>68759471
I think I'll stop. Not because I'm wrong (I'm not) but because your skull is too thick. Go to a store and try a few guitars. If you aren't deaf, you should hear the difference.

>>68759584
Has all the core frequencies you need brosef, I'd go for it.

>>68759599
Oh, because it totally couldn't be differences in pickups, strings, the amp, onboard electronics, or anything else in the signal chain causing tone differences.
Just face it m80, you've got jack fucking shit to back up your claim, so you're waving your hands like you've won and given up.
I don't think I'm the thick headed one here...

>>68759270
Wow rude, this is a nice and friendly general

>>68759255
Drop Db

|------------------------------------0--0----------0--0---------0--0---------0--0------
|--------------------------------0----------0--0---------0--0----------0--0---------0--
|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|---------2--2---------2--2-----------2--------------2------------0-------------0------
|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|--2-------------2-------------2---------------2------------0--------------0-------------

|--2------0-0--------2------0-0----------2-------0-0---------2------0-0------------
|-----0-0--------0------0-0---------0-------0-0---------0------0-0---------0-------
|---------------0---0--------------0----0---------------0----0--------------0---0----
|-------------2------------------2---------------------0--------------------0-----------
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|--2------------------2---------------------0--------------------0----------------------

|-----0-3-2-0------0-2-0-3----2-0-2-0-2-0-3---2-0-2-0-2---------2---------2---2---2-----
|--0------------0--------------0--------------------0--------------0-3-0---0-3-0-----------------
|------------------0-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|-------------2--------------------2-------------------2-------------------4--------------------------
|------------------------------------------------------------------2-------------------2--------2-----
|--2-------------------2---------------------2--------------------------------------------------------

That's the first 35 seconds. Hope you're good at fingerpicking

>>68759686
Good for you.

>>68753653
You know boss and Roland are the same brand, right? Thats the stupidest answer I've heard today.

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>>68759734
I don't think you quite understand.
You're (You)'s only make me stronger.

Rate my phrasing & overall soloing
https://a.clyp.it/2ccvar41.mp3
https://a.clyp.it/vayklz0z.mp3

>>68759814
>Frusc
Oh. It's you.

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Are you a bad enough dude to play the fourth chord in this tune in standard tuning with proper voice leading?

Pay attention to the 8vb on the tenor parts, they're not actually higher than the Cantus.
Also remember the guitar is an 8vb instrument, which is to say that when we read sheet music, we play it an octave lower than what is written(this only applies to the Cantus).

>>68759834
How does it feel to know you've wasted an hour of your life arguing about tonewood?

Alright /gg/ boys I need some help
I've been playing guitar for about a year now, so essentially i'm like a guitar newfag. I tend to pickup concepts very easy, at the level I am now I usually try to learn songs but ear, practice my Scales and modes and shit, I try to improvise alot as well but thats besides the point. The point is that I've fallen into a void I can't seem to crawl out of. And that void is practising, see I usually try to practice 1-2 hours a day but recently I've just felt VERY unmotivated, is there anyway maybe anyone had some advice for me regarding practicing?
Sorry for the shit grammar and whatnot.

>>68759876
Wouldn't that just be
3 x x 4 3 3

>>68759829
>https://a.clyp.it/vayklz0z.mp3
not bad atall man

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>>68760074
Nope, it would be a G major chord like this:
3 x x 7 8 7

The reason is because the two tenor parts are 8vb, which makes them an octave lower than actually written(same way guitar music is normally read), while the Cantus is a normal treble clef which means that we would normally read those notes an octave higher.
It would look like pic related.

>>68760185
Jesus fuck, I think I just contracted tendonitis trying that chord

>>68760199
It's not paticularly comfortable, but doable if necessary.

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hello /gg/
I was wondering how you met people to play with? none of my current friends play instruments but I dont really now how to meet new people
I'm a rhythm guitarist and bassist so it shouldnt be too hard right?

>>68760490
>if necessary

this will never be necessary, learn better chords

>>68760592
I've affiliated myself with musicians ever since I took an interest in playing, even before I learned how to play. This meant associating with a lot of pieces of shit, but the networking can't hurt and it mentally prepares you for tolerating a lot of manchild behavior.
The band that I play with currently, I technically knew indirectly from school, but met them at an open mic in a local library, of all places.
I would recommend going to shows and trying to find the promoter and asking if they know any bands looking for musicians, sometimes they foster an online community for musicians to do just that.
In a pinch, you could also go to a local community college and join up with a class band.

>>68760651
>what is accurate voice leading

What do you guys think of DIY amp kits? I'm thinking of getting a kit to put it together myself. Specifically a mojotone tweed deluxe.

>>68760864
If you know what you're doing, they're a great way to save money and do mods.

how do i write lyrics and vocal melodies

>>68760938
http://dmatoso.com/manowar-lyrics-generator/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibJ9sAoXadc
These are good for learning the basics.

>>68760894
What about a guy who has no experience doing it before? Should I spend the extra $1000 to get the amp I want pretty much guaranteed to work?

>>68760592
>how you met people to play with
I had one friend in high school. We hung out occasionally after we graduated, and he brought me along to a small apartment-party one time. There was a seemingly stereotypical dude there who brought an acoustic guitar. He noticed my band shirt, asked me if I played, then wanted me to play his guitar. 4 years and two albums later, I'm still in my first and only band with him.

I hardly ever went out of my comfort level to socialize, but the one time I did I got lucky and a band formed from it. If you're not a social person, you're going to have to leave your comfort zone and put yourself out there every now and then. Or since you're a bassist, you could probably just look online for Craigslist ads and shit like that. People are always looking for bassists

>>68761136
At this point I'd say yes. You should start with something simple first and learn some basic electric theory. Pedals and guitar mods are a great way to start. You don't necessarily even need to know any theory for those. Just follow the instructions get used to working with electronics. An amp can even be dangerous, if you're not careful.
Reminds me that I have a Civil War Big Muff waiting to be built.

>>68761005
pretty good
jack black bases himself on this right

>>68760592
>be me
>have never been in a band
>every band I wanted to join wanted someone "with experience"
>tfw 10 years playing guitar and never played with someone for longer than one or two sessions

feels seriously bad man

how the fuck do I improvise jazz solos????? My fingers can play anything I want them to. I just don't know how to improvise the jazz feeling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>68760592
There is almost always a Normiebook group for musicians in your local area. Try that

>>68760592
Met musicians thanks to university. Also, my teacher introduced me to some people. Going to concerts can help too

>>68761374
I actually spent some time tonight working on it.
I play classical almost exclusively these days, but I dabble in jazz in my free time.
Listen to horn players, it's great to take inspiration from them because they create melodies. Guitar players often get stuck doing scales and don't critically think about the notes they're playing beyond "is this note in the key."
La vie en rose(on trumpet) is a good one to start, try to emulate Armstrong's phrasing and create a variation based on the melody he makes.

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Who /stuck/ here?

>first year at uni studying CS
>spent 5+ hours practicing every day for the last 4 years
>nothing interests me besides music
>want to be successful but can't stand to see my passion become a weekend hobby
>deep down I know I have the talent to make music a career but have 0 support from family if I decide to take that route

Wat do. If I end up working a 9-5 and being a normalfag who plays with his buds on the weekends I will likely samurai myself. Having a midlife crisis at 18

>>68761712
As someone with a 9-5 i have plenty of time to do whatever I want.

Anyone use a noise gate? I run an Orange TH30 pushed with an OCD, sounds great, but unfortunately there's a ton of microphonic howl. Any good gates out there that don't suck any tone/completely transparent?

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>tfw the dream is dead

>>68761245
Thanks. I'll take a little looking into it.

>>68761712
I feel the same way. I need to meet people like you who are around me. I just don't have an avenue for it besides seeing local bands around town. I wish I had people like you around me.

>>68757003
this anon gets it

>>68761980
I feel you man I'm at uni in California right now and it fucking piss in terms of music. Rednecks and normies everywhere. Moving back to Portland in the summer and transferring to UO.

>tfw i haven't touched my bass in ages
;_;

>>68762100
Go touch it inappropriately right now to make up for lost time

>>68761374
You have to listen to lots of jazz to make it sound natural. Keep in mind way back in the 1920s-1950s most jazz musicians were drug addict blacks that never really had a formal education, the way they played jazz was through learning the language, being fully immersed in it and playing from the heart.

Eventually you start to hear the melodies in your head and you'll be able to easily play them if you really do know the fretboard as well as you say you do.

Charlie Christian is probably the best guitarist to study if you want to get a good foundation for jazz improvisation.

well, i wanna buy a bass guitar. my buget is around a precision affinity from squier but maybe if a beg a little more i can get a vintage modfied precision bass. worth trying? is the VM that much better than the affinity?

btw, i live in a 3rd world country so we have to work like 10 times more to buy the same stuff that US citizens need to. So my buget is low because of that.

>>68758874
Aww, she's pretty. Good going, anon.

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>>68757073
>$5,ooo

>>68757675
Looks alright. Mx or American made?
What matters is the sound.
How does it sound?

>>68753849
If you really think you're gonna use it and that it'll improve your style, go ahead but if it's "muh asthetics" then you're prolly better without since if you play alot you break strings and it's annoying as fuck to set up the tremolo system all the time.

>>68757675
looks nice, never seen that model before is it a special run?

>>68758405
Why is muh Asian guitar so bad?

>>68763004
More often than not they just aren't built as well. Korean guitars are starting to be pretty good but not yet on the same level as Japanese guitars in my experience.

My G&L Tribute Fallout has pretty high (xjumbo) frets which makes playing uncomfortable and bends feel very scratchy. Would polishing the frets be enough or do I have to actually file them down? It's also a bit buzzy..

>>68762395
fug i missed this
might have overdone it a bit and hurt my wrists tho

>>68763004
When companies outsource manufacturing to Asia as a cost-saving, they are generally cheaping out on other thing such as wood, hardware and electronics.

Line speed is also increased and less time spent on QC checks

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Is the Squire J. Mascis Jazzmaster any good, after watching a few demos it looks pretty damn good.

>>68763131
If you don't see some frets that are obviously worn much more than others than you could probably get away just polishing them (and recrown them if the tops are flat)

>>68758327
>Paying $500 for that piece of shit

good god man

>>68761712
i heard great humbling advise from Josh Homme who I think a lot of people in this board at least appreciate his influence. i'll add my own tidbits:

don't expect anything from music. literally nothing. you play because you love music and you love to play. get a real job and work at it and play on the side. i work 2 jobs and go to school and still play for hours a day because i want to

i am going to record some music with an old friend and his band mates over winter, and i expect only ourselves to listen to it. there's no expectation. maybe we weasel our way into some shows featuring shitty local bands. only there because i love playing

this mentality is going to help when reality sets in on 99.99% of musicians (even talented ones) that they will never be famous and wasted years when they could have been at least getting some progress in another field

i'd suggest looking into location recording for film or live events (very underpopulated because everyone wants the camera), and mixing of any kind if you're obsessed with sound at music. at least you'll be around it

TLDR play for you because you get nothing

>>68753779
Had some old Fujigen pickups in my 80s Contemporary Japan Stratocaster and swapped them out with Klein Jazzy Cats.

LOVE the sounds of the Jazzy Cats, mostly play blues, jazz, and fusion. These distort very smoothly. It can't handle heavy distortion, but a little dirt sounds so good.

Here's a sound clip of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcghzEoGhyk

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i want a keyboard synthesizer so bad but i'm poor because i've already spent all my life savings on an expensive enough amp and guitar to make my pedals not look like a waste of money. i never perform in my life i just want to make cool sounds and keyboards are awesome at that

>>68764065
what was the the point of such an expensive amp if you just play at home?

>>68764065
Cheap midi controller + soft synths dude

>>68762696
>>68761661

for learning how to solo in a jazz style, should I learn the theory (scales, weird chords, etc) or just learn jazz solos/licks so my fingers are used to jazz? if that makes sense

>see what looks like a D-28 on ebay for $149
>scroll down
>it's half a D-28

FUCK THAT SELLER.

>>68764097
this

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I bought this Ibanez GRX40 for my first electric guitar.

Will I regret it?

vintage modified or affinity? reasons.

>>68764328
Only if you don't keep playing it and let it collect dust.

>>68759416
I'd rather remain anonymous thank you.

>>68764328
The 90's version of this was my first guitar. It's good enough. Stuff some foam under the trem springs to cut out that jangle they make.

>>68749250
that's not black sabbath

DO YOUR WORST
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0VDv75wafhV

>>68764097
is this good?
https://www.amazon.com/ammoon-Worlde-Portable-Keyboard-Controller/dp/B01DGACVKM/ref=sr_1_22?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1477798005&sr=1-22&keywords=midi+controller

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I have learned that a solid state amp like mine typically can't be boosted with an overdrive pedal because there's no tubes to drive, i get it. Can i use a distortion pedal such as the DS1 over top the dirty channel for a boost instead ?

>>68765904
I thought the overdrive pedal just imitated the sound of the tubes being driven. Not that it was actually pushing the tubes of an amp.

But I know fuck all about pedals so please tell me how retarded I sound.

>>68765904
That's what the gain knob is for friend

>>68765986
They do both.

>>68764685
It'll probably work fine, but I would get something from a more recognized brand if only because of software/compatibility issues.

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>>68760592
Friends, friends of friends, etc.

Slightly related story, there was an ad up in one of my uni's classifieds bulletin. It was a person looking for somebody to jam with. I wrote down the number and texted the person.

The person introduced herself as "Britney" or something (I just remember it being a stereotypical white girl name). I asked the person what kind of music she likes and whatever, and got pretty typical generic responses. I finally caved in and asked if she's down to jam, then she set up a meeting in some abandoned middle school gymnasium at 11 pm (with my guitar)

idk I had a bad feeling about it so I didn't go through with it. it was a slightly off putting experience

>>68764682
pretty good. you should work on your alternate picking tho to get it really tight and steady.

do your worst:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0vr0EPhOMK0

half of you faggots can't even play anyways, so idk why i even bother sometimes

>>68765986
>>68765992
>>68766012
Im using a moderately dirty/crunchy tone for rhythm and I'd like to be able to step on something to boost this sound into something more suitable for lead work.

On a tube amp this is where a TS9 comes into play, but I'm using a SS Orange combo (that I'm otherwise incredibly happy with). My question is if distortion can be used here.

>>68765904
All the pedal is doing is changing the signal so the answer is yes.

When I used to do it on my fender 15g I got a lot of noise when not playing when I had the amp distortion and the pedal on at the same time.

It had something to do with the amount of gain so I started turning the gain on the amp to 6 and the DS-1 knobs to 180 degrees. The noise was still there but bearable.

It was fun playing around with it.

Fernandes is the most underrated company. Prove me wrong.

>>68753453
How good are the fuzzes compared to a real analog style fuzz like a muff? Thinking of gettong one of these myself done the line.

>>68766141
that sounded like someone trying too hard

and it still sounded like shit

timing and tempo way off

>>68766141
>>68767106
it also had the timbre of a newgrounds flash from 2004, i feel like i've been aurally trolled

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>tfw you jam with an old buddy for the first time in 2 years and this is the first thing you guys play, having not listened to each other play in a coons age

Anyone else got any recordings of jamming with a buddy, or are you all alone NEETS?

https://clyp.it/d31ehu5l


Also, >>68766141 your tone is sort of meh. I guess your picking is pretty good but I don't really get any particular vibe or emotion from what you're playing.

>>68767281
>or are you all alone NEETS?
I may be alone but at least I have a job

Anyone likes Japanese music here? Im doing a five guitar arrangement for Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence and so far this is what it sounds like.

https://clyp.it/ybr3zlkf

Thoughts? We are going to perform this for public so I don't want to suck.

>>68767281
>having not listened to each other play in a coons age

sounds like you're not listening to each other now

>>68767316

Rest assured that the performance will go off without a hitch. Sounds fantastic.

>>68759288
Your playing sounds like someone who's been playing for 2 weeks.
You've made a track of nothing but error notes.
Try bending to an actual note once in a while.
Half this track just sounds like you raking dead notes by accident.
I take back what I said earlier about sounding like you've played for 2 weeks. This sounds like a 5 year old got hold of daddy's guitar and plugged it in.
Overall I rate 0/10. Get better.

>>68767316
Sounds alright, but since there's hardly any tempo upkeep in your arrangement, I hope all of your boys have a very good sense of time otherwise I'd put out for a percussionist to at least keep sweeps on a snare or something just to keep everyone aligned.

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>>68767336

Harsh bro. I'm usually pretty down on myself but even I thought we sounded good for not playing together for so long, with that being our first warm up.

>>68767316
nigga that shit's comfy as fuck, I dig it

>>68763242
I really like mine.

>>68767281
>tfw I do have recordings of jams but they're all 20+ minutes and no one wants to listen to that shit

>>68767342
>>68767364
Thanks man, I haven't shown it to the ensemble yet, I hope they like it.

>>68767353
I played all 5 parts myself with an electric guitar running into revalver to get that fake nylon sound.. I'm worried about this part too because there's actually a lot of ritardando parts which is hard to coordinate. And since it's classical guitar I'm not sure if they can actually improvise a solo at the end part.. damn.

>>68767281
Yeah i've got a jam thing that me and a drummer did but it's a youtube video and it's 19 minutes.

>>68767409
just re-write the bass to keep tempo, however subtly
or like i said, bring in a drum

>>68767487

Can't bring a drum because there isn't any in the guitar ensemble, but I will see what I can do. There's probably a conductor around.. or I will conduct.

>>68767529

>He doesn't know how to make a simple drum box

You are a clever fellow. You will find a way

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>>68767619

You mean like a ... Cajon..?

Anyway I'm going to show the scores and recording to the ensemble.. I hope they like it or I'm gonna die..

>tfw you turn on your tube amp in the morning
playing at night fucking sucks

>>68764682
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0C2U0TZYXQB

>>68766141
>not going into the crazy sweep section
Can't blame you to be honest
Good riffing, lad

>>68756916
Take it slow

>>68766423
Maybe try taking your amp into a store and testing the pedals.

>>68767106
>>68767233
>>68767281
i recorded it through my shitty laptop, so obviously it sounds like shit. i was trying to show off a technique to someone, not emotion

>>68767723
the sweep section is fucked, i cant figure out how to play past the first bit. he does this stupid two finger tapping/pull off which is a bitch:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1X0CI6zYPqJ
your riffs are great btw

>>68749195
Should i get an epiphone sg g400 pro or epiphone lp standard? Both are available from my local shop for 320€. Buying used is not an option thanks to shipping costs and yurocuck import taxes

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>>68768678
Now's not a time for this. Now's a time for a healthy sulking. I'll probably feel better tomorrow.

>>68751534
I just got an Artcore and fucking LOVE it.
Have some Seymour Duncan JB and PAF 59 bucks. Does it really sound better? I haven't installed them yet and don't get jack shit from listening to Demos online.

Its playing out of a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe atm

>>68760144
thanks man

>>68768678
Whichever feels better in your hand

>>68767316
very nice my dude

>>68763242
I wish the vintage modified came with the mascis stock hardware it's a shame I can't get into the mascis colour scheme

>>68768880
>>68767316

Actually there is one thing I would change, when you start playing the heavy chords around 3:19 they come in way too heavy handed and it sounds abrupt (i'm very familiar with Ryuichi Sakamoto so it caught me off guard) . If it were me I would do a quick crescendo into full intensity. Otherwise it's a great arrangement, good job dude.

Kind of reminds me of Fripp's crafty guitarists ensembles.

>>68768921

I know exactly what you mean man. There's supposed to be a rit at that part, only problem is it's kinda hard to rit to yourself when you are playing with a click track..

WHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1yd_lFymbc

>>68768991
its a whole other instrument at that point. even with 8 if you don't know what you're doing it's fucking useless, there are few people that actually make music with them. inb4 some tele playing grandpa comes in and says AAL isn't music

>>68769029
>there are few people that actually make music with them
it's still trite.
it conveys no emotions whatsoever. am I wrong?

wew lads, what's your opinion?
https://wyldeaudio.com/

>>68769123
>it conveys no emotions whatsoever. am I wrong?
of course you are. And even if it didn't convey any emotion, it would still be music anyways. Sorry if this doesn't fit your small-minded view of music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P4GsF1zdzM

or maybe the odd timing is too much for you?

>>68769155
im into metal and own a pointy guitar and i still think it looks retarded. even fucking kerry kings look better.

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>>68769155
>wylde

>>68769165
It sounds absolutely vapid and sterile, I have no idea what you're trying to show here.
>Sorry if this doesn't fit your small-minded view of music.
Oh, excuse my ignorance, superior enlightened 8-string gentlesir.

>>68769228
>I have no idea what you're trying to show here.
groove, prowess, innovation. A different kind of music, which is obviously beyond your understanding since you called it vapid. Keep listening to qotsa and radiohead if you cant handle it, but that's nothing to be a smug faggot about.

Im thinking of getting an audio interface, I can get a scarlett studio for $149 (new) should i get it? As far as i can tell all it does it let me plug a mic and guitar in to my pc right?

>>68753779
I have a vintage '59 strat with original pickups

>>68769336

Get the 2i2, it's better than the studio.

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>>68769351
>he fell for the vintage strat meme

>>68769359
not the solo studio, the 2i2 studio (didn't realize there was 2 studios. In USD it would be $113.

It seems to have issues with gain though from what i can tell.

>>68769155
Those guitars can burn, I'm interested in the amps a little and how they sound.

>>68769336
Focusrite are good but try and get the next model up as the Studio is pretty underwhelming spec/feature-wise. But yes you can plug a mic + guitar in and record them to your PC.

>>68769403
>not liking strats

>>68769434

It's okay, they fixed it with the 2nd gen units. I have one and it does 64 samples fine.

>>68769286
>innovation
What's so innovative here that hasn't been done by hundreds of clone bands in the last 10 years? And it already has been done to death. Slap? Should someone care about some special unique slap technique of an otherwise boring musician?
>prowess
It's called "wank fest".
>groove
Noone would happily dance to this stuttering bullshit, noone would have a good time together listening to this pretentious glossy rubbish. Perhaps some idiot will buy an 8-string guitar under its impression, and that's the whole ultimate purpose of it.
It's fucking amazing how deluded and alienated people today can be.

>>68769436
What extra features are we talking about? All i need to have is guitar + mic and a way to get rid of the static in my powered speakers (currently using a hum destroyer). As far as i can tell it can do that. Cant most other stuff be done with vsts?

>>68769451
ah sweet thats good to know, the second gen comes with a black mic right?

>>68769513
>What's so innovative here that hasn't been done by hundreds of clone bands
they were one of the first to do it, and they continue to push the envelope. that should be pretty obvious

>It's called "wank fest".
yes, superior technical ability is often labelled as wank by plebs who don't understand it/will never be able to play it

>Noone would happily dance to this stuttering bullshit
>groove means you can dance to it
learn what groove means, pleb.

>It's fucking amazing how deluded and alienated people today can be
exactly. i mean, here's some nobody faggot trying to say that AAL isn't good music, just because it's far beyond his tiny understanding. You know you could've just said it's not to your pleb taste and carried on? some people like more than just a boring beat and lame singing over and over again, but this triggers you.

>>68749195
>Guitar chords and inversions
>http://www.chordbook.com/guitar-chords/
sites down

>>68769165
tooth and claw's played on an 8 you dimwit
iirc the only AAL song on a 9 string is physical education

>>68769513
>Noone would happily dance to this stuttering bullshit,
that's why their shows sell out right, people buy a ticket to not show up and force them to play in front of no one
saying outright "people don't enjoy it" just because you don't enjoy it isn't an argument, there's people listening to literal noise and enjoying it, taste is subjective

9 strings are shit as guitars though, the range's too big and is ultimately pointless

I found a fender stratocaster mn for 625€ on music store, what's the catch, why so cheap? what's the mn for?

>>68770297
Maple neck probs

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>>68769450
I don't like strats

Why is it that chord progressions are the way they are? Why is it that I V vi IV sounds so much better than I v VI IV
Is there some logic behind knowing how the chord of a note in a scale should be or do some things just sound good a certain way and all we can do is learn/memorise what these patterns are?

>>68770556
>Why is it that chord progressions are the way they are?
Because they sound good
>Why is it that I V vi IV sounds so much better than I v VI IV
something something psychology
>Is there some logic behind knowing how the chord of a note in a scale should be or do some things just sound good a certain way and all we can do is learn/memorise what these patterns are?
music theory

>>68757238
And you can hear a difference between two guitars cut from the exact same tree.
The difference between a pine guitar and a rosewood guitar is as great as the difference between two guitars of the exact same wood. The individual pieces of wood will change your tone ever so slightly, but your build quality, pickups, and bridge determine a very high % of your tone... The breed of wood is as inconsequential as dumb shit like stainless versus nickel frets, or bone versus graphite nuts.

>>68771179
Everything your strings come into contact with affects your "tone"
Thats all I've noticed personally, anyway.

>>68771063
>psychology
I would have rather said mathematics, intervals and chords are just ratios between multiple wavelenghts

>>68771179
>dumb shit like stainless versus nickel frets
fret material actually matters, SS frets will last longer before you need to re-crown them

>>68771213
the issue is not if it does affect or not, the issue is how much does it affect your tone

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This is a large list, but which one would you get?

I already have a guitar so the bass is just a consideration.

Im mainly considering the rga72qm or the ka5-tc, but for the latter id need to get a bass amp or something right?

>>68771262
yes, but im talking about why theyre interpreted as pleasing, which the math doesnt explain. Its the psychological aspect that explains that

>>68771213
You're noticing things that aren't there.
Bridge, strings, pickups, and overall setup determine your tone to an extremely high percentile, with strings being less noticeable than something like a new bridge. Chambering of the wood can make a difference.

I've heard people make some dubious claims like the string trees, frets, nuts, and even type of truss can determine tone, but if you were to ever do a double blind test, they wouldn't know their favorite tonewood or a bone string tree from their assholes. It's a bunch of superstition that dates back to microphonic pickup days.

>>68771262
Yes, frets do matter, but they don't effect tone. SS frets should be selected for the exact reason you mention, play smoother, and are basically indestructible.

But there are tone assholes that insist nickel sounds different.

>>68771289
this is a very strange list of choices

>>68771396
yeah its from a sale at a shop near me, one of each. They had some other guitars but they were all low tier starters.

Some of their other sales are pure mad though ( main one is an akai apc key 25for $10 and a samson r21 3 set for $2).

>>68751803
It's not a Gibson

>>68771289
RGA is the best choise in my opinion.

So can somebody explain to me how is EPIPHONE Les Paul Standard PlusTop PRO HB worse than lets say, GIBSON Les Paul Studio Faded 2016 EB? At least, according to the price that is.

https://www.session.de/EPIPHONE-Les-Paul-Standard-PlusTop-PRO-HB.html?utm_source=criteo&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=criteo_lowerfunnel

https://www.session.de/GIBSON-Les-Paul-Studio-Faded-2016-EB.html?gclid=CjwKEAjwtNbABRCsqO7J0_uJxWYSJAAiVo5L9yJalqQGge0Z0YwMo0t53i-V1tDl4r9iVmwcUXiMqxoC95vw_wcB

>>68771063
Thanks, that was very helpful

>>68771585
it really is, covers each question to the point

>>68771689
>>how do you find the length of one the sides of a right angled triangle if you know the lengths of the other two?
>mathematics

>>68771546
Gibson seems to come with a gigbag, the electronics are most likely better quality, woods are most likely better quality and work in the USA costs more. That being said, there's a good chance that the Epiphone plays better. Gibson's quality control is very inconsistent. So the Gibson can potentially be a lot better to play but there's also the chance that it's a lot worse. I'd still probably go with Gibson, because usually the issues can be fixed but on the other hand it would probably be better to look for something else completely.

>>68771782
Alright. I just never understood how Gibson les pauls ,cost like two times the epiphones . Guess its better pickups and whatnot. I just don't understand how does one know what's better and what's worse.

>>68771769
in that case the answer is "pythagoras", as in do some self study.
You could easily infer "psychology of chord progressions" or something along those lines.

>>68771895
On those higher end Gibsons (or any other brand) the materials and building time make up most of the cost. Attention to detail, finish, playability and quality is overall better. For example frets are finished better and the woods are lighter but light mahogany is also more expensive, because it's more rare. The pickups are actually one of the least expensive upgrades.

>>68771990
But what affects the sound , the most? If I'd want to buy a guitar , and I take only the sound into consideration. I should be looking at pickups, and the wood used to make the guitar,right?

>>68772205
Tone shouldn't be the most important factor. Playability and build quality are more important, because pickups determine much of the guitars tone and those can be changed afterwards. And your amps is even bigger part of your sound. Wood matters depending on who you ask.

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i don't seem to be improving
how do you cope with being a fucking loser?

>>68772398
Buy more pedals.

>>68772398
Buy more guitars.

>>68772440
>>68772464
So basically get a job.

>>68772305
Thanks for answering my questions.

>>68772398
Buy more amps. I did and it actually made me a better guitarist. A tube amp gives much better feedback on your playing than a tiny and old solid-state digital modelling shoebox. Same with guitars, because it's much easier to play, if the guitar doesn't fight back.

>>68772471
If you dont seem to be improving, as you put it; do something new. Like get good really. Focused learning on specific elements.

>>68772398
Make peace with the fact that you will only see improvement by playing a whole lot, and that the more you play the faster you'll see improvement, but even then, it'll still be long periods of time before you see improvement.