/gg/ - Guitar and Bass General

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are there any gretsch animus?

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daily reminder to be good, friendly members of the community, and to help out newfriends and show them how to not respond to shitposts and shitty trolling attempts
also, lurk more

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Is the anon with the Squier Mustang still around? i was going to ask what you think of it, looking for another guitar to play around with besides my Fender Tele

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I don't get what the deal with the headstock is.

>>68250548
i used to have one. it's a solid guitar for the price (you can find them for ~$200 used sometimes). you should definitely try any 24" guitar out in person first to see if you like it.

>>68250584
It's a Not-Fender headstock.

>>68250619
probably the biggest problem I have with these basses then

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>>68250619
>not just ripping off the goat fender headstock

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Ugh, my dick

Can I just drill some holes in my acoustic guitar and attach all the electronics from my spare electric to the acoustic and have it work fine?

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I saw this one in last thread.Can anyone recognize what's that second guitar on the right?What's that wood for body?

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what does /gg/ think of rocksmith for learning songs? i've used it for one or two songs but i find it difficult to play the songs without the backing track/rocksmith on in the background

>>68250831
looks like an all-rosewood tele

>>68250449
The increasing problem for most guitarists nowadays is indecisiveness. People don't know which guitar or bass they want so they start trying to ask people on /mu/ for money and shit. It's pretty stupid. I payed like $1400 for a Fender last night and it was very much worth it. If you think you can go on /mu/ and try and blow peoples cocks for money for your stupid ass guitar then you must be completely retarded. You are the only person that does that, Montie. I know it's montie I see him in these generals from time to time. Make sure to block his trip

>>68250449
I've been playing guitar for 10 years. I started when I was a freshman in high school. My favorite guitar is undecided thus far. I like my Jackson. I think all nice guitars are nice guitars, I just prefer the wide but thin necks with 24 frets and either EMG humbuckers or Seymore Duncan single coils. Stratocaster shaped bodies are nice. I like Taylor acoustic guitars.

My favorite guitarist right now is Takayoshi Ohmura. I like his YouTube videos and he does some cool stuff with Babymetal. Aside from him, I like Buckethead and Jimi Hendrix. I really dig John Coltrane and Dave Brubeck and dixieland style jazz, like what you hear walking around at Disneyland. I also like a lot of classical era pianists.

I have an electronic project called Totally Tubular. I just posted this video. It would be cool if you gave it a like and a positive comment. Nobody wants to practice all day just to hear a bunch of hurtful comments on the internet when theyre trying to get noticed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2qBZpqxgkc

>>68250757
You can get mounted pickups that do not require holes to be drilled and just sit in your soundhole

>>68250936
I've used it, and enjoyed it, but now I'm moving away from it. I've put in about 300 hours on the software and have learned a lot from it. Provided you use the custom site to download dlc, there's a lot that can be installed and learned.
If I can ever suggest one thing from this program, it's to focus not on playing the song, but learning it from the perspective of the person who wrote it. I have spent hours playing one song trying to figure out what motions were coming to their mind while developing the riff. The lessons and guitarcade parts are interesting, but take too long to load.
also:
1. turn off venue mode, it kills the sound of the song you're playing.
2. you can amplify what instruments can be heard through the speaker.
3. the rocksmith plug should be able to plug into your amp. I use mine on -15db while using the 0db to hear what I'm playing. So now you can play from your pc/console while also playing from your amp.

>>68250936
>i find it difficult to play the songs without the backing track/rocksmith on in the background
Why would you ever turn it off? I don't understand.

>>68250936
It's Guitar Hero Pro. It's a toy with limited learning.

>Steve Vai's 10 hour workout
Try doing that consistently without getting carpal tunnel or tendonitis, I dare ya.

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Are pedals a waste of money? Pic related looks and sounds amazing

>>68252576
How is it a waste of money if you like it that much?

>>68252576
Some are. Pretty much anything you can't build by hand is worth something if you find a use for it.

Digital processing has put them out of favor in recording, though. Still useful

Is it normal for me to tear open my calluses? Am I playing too much?

I've been playing for a year (I currently play in D with .11-50s) and every month or so my fingers will get rekt and the entire callus comes off. I don't play after I shower or anything either.

you philly hipsters are the most deplorable bro hipsters in america

>>68250685
Get rid of that ugly lipstick pickup covers, and it will be my dick too

>>68252674
because you might be able to find something digital for free?

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What do you bros think of my humbucking Strat?

>Blacktop series Fender with alder body

>Alnico Vintage 'buckers

>Three piece maple neck/fingerboard

>>68252720
Get used to it. Your fingers are always going to have a dull, throbbing pain at the tips after long periods of playing. You'll barely notice it after a while.

>>68252576
Put a modulated tape delay in front of that thing and it'll sound fucking gorgeous.

Having pedals really depends on how you plan on using them or what genre you play.

Generally speaking, most guitarists have an overdrive/distortion, delay, and at least one type of modulation.

If you're a traditional rock/metal guy, that may be all you want to use.

If you're into shoegaze, ambient, etc, you'll probably want to get yourself a couple of delays and reverbs as well as a fuzz box if you want that really washy/spaceous sound. Get a looper if you want to add layers.

Pedals aren't necessarily essential, but if you learn how to do certain things with different kinds, you can really expand your sound.

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>>68250548
You'll like it, if you own a non offset like a Strat/Tele then you'll be fine. It's a perfect guitar to learn to upgrade too. You'll definetly want to change the poor stock pickups too but any Strat pickup fits and works well just pay attention to the phase switches when rewiring. Check eBay I got mine with a hotrail for $220 on there due to auction but I know there's an Olympic white one on reverb now for $270. The neck is a bit thick and glossy but it's not bad at all, the rosewood is holding up well especially since I oil it everytime I change strings.
Here's the reverb one
https://reverb.com/item/3156723-fender-squier-vintage-modified-mustang-electric-guitar-in-vintage-white
And there is one on GC used for $240 not including tax and shipping
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Squier/Vintage-Modified-Mustang-Solid-Body-Electric-Guitar-112506115.gc

>>68253105
unaesthetic/10, hope it at least sounds awesome.

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>>68253105
I really wanted this one with a Rosewood board but the Sonic blue is a poor excuse of a "blue" it's a Snow White

>>68253038
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree ;)

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>>68253387
Looks blue to me anon.

>>68253105
You ruined the looks with black knobs.

>>68253500
Ask your parents to buy you a better camera

I have trouble doing barre chords, any tips?
Thanks in advance

>>68254067
Get stronger

>>68253627
That's how they came. Not changing them because I do a lot of volume swells and they're easy to grip.
>>68253906
Nah.

>>68254067
Use your thumb as a brace against the back of the neck for support. The rest is just hand strength that you need to develop.

>>68254074
I feel the opposite, it's so much easier to do volume swell with top hat knobs or speed knobs using only a pinky, compared to witch hat ones.

https://youtu.be/i5sqJNFFwqc?t=103
tips

>>68250449
Where can I learn to sing? Can someone post a good book, tutorial, for a beginner?

>>68254201
Raise your palate and try your best. That's basically the first 3 years of singing classes.
And I guess learn to read sheet music.

>>68254067
You'll get stronger if you keep at it

Is it me or suddenly everyone wants to play bass? Like it's getting more popular.

>>68254067
practice

>>68250449
On the last 2 or 3 frets my strings are basically flat on the frets. Meaning they just slap against them and can't be played. Do I absolutely need to raise the action? Is it a neck issue (I have minimal neck relief, less than a credit card thick) or is it the last few frets that need levelling? I'm just confused because those last few frets are literally on the neck pocket thing on the neck, so I'm not sure if adjusting neck relief will actually do something.
Google is telling me that it's probably the 24th fret that is a bit too high? Could I just get the last few frets levelled on the cheap or will I need to do a complete fret dressing?

>>68254428
Nice try bassist.

>>68254428
I fucking wish it was, real bassists are still hard to find, I suppose they're more visible now due to the internet communities.

>>68254428
I have two friends who have picked up bass in the last year

I've been self-teaching for around two months now and I've been progressing really slowly and struggle to play even simple songs properly. Is it worth it to look into private lessons? How should I find lessons/what should I look for in a potential teacher?

>>68254700
Try the app yousician

>>68254700
A GOOD teacher is worth it IMO, my progress skyrocketed as soon as I found one. The problem is there are plenty of idiots and hacks teaching as well, especially private teachers. Skype lessons are worthless IMO, especially for a beginner.

>>68254746
Have you personally tried it? Did it help?

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Why do (some) people say that Jazzmasters are cuck guitars? Is it really just their popularity in Indie/Alternative genres that sets them off. I don't see a logical reason to hate it (if you like the sound, which I do) besides apparent bridge issues that can be fixed.

>>68254845
It's as nu-male as shoddy beard, problem glasses and plaid shirts.

>>68254845
You are in 4chan, people like being contrarian

>>68250936

use songsterr instead, its the same shit but a lot better

>tfw when it's autumn and arthritis is acting up so much you can't really play without a fucking wrist brace.

Fuck nature, seriously.

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>neighbors are spying-listening on my guitar practices again

>>68254476
t. drummer

>>68254428
Nobody wants to play bass, they pick it up out of necessity because either they're the worst guitar player in a band without one, or they can't be arsed finding a failed guitar player for their own recording work.

>>68254819
i can guarantee it helps a lot and its free, but you have limited lesson time , 30 minutes a day or so

>>68255176
Not true at all. I'm a dedicated bassist, the reason for my decision to dedicate all my time and effort to it is because the entire creative capacity of any musical work lies on foundational instrumentation. It's the difference between Iron Maiden and Avenged Sevenfold - sure you can have a shithot lead guitarist, but if your bassist can only play open E the entire fucking song, it really limits what you can do.

>>68255215
No rules without exceptions.

>>68255176
the cases I see are not beacause they are the worst guitar player, but because they really like bass

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Anybody have one of these?

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The Stephen Hawking of guitar himself has announced a new album! Anyone as hyped as I am?

Also: post some of your favourite guitarists

>>68255439
Who cares if it's just midi shit

>>68255439
Oh I forgot: guest guitarists on the album include Trevor Rabin, Joe Satriani, Steve Morse, Aleks Sever, Guthrie Govan, Jeff Loomis, Gus G, Chris Broderick and a few more.

>>68255474
No midi shit, session musicians and famous guest guitarists will play it on the album.

>>68255480
>>68255499
Oh that's pretty cool then, wonder why no Marty Friedman. I think he's the only guy that gets close to his phrasing

>>68253105
i have one in CAR and with a rosewood fingerboard
it sounds and plays really well, only problem i have with it is when i accidentally switch pickups (happens to me wih all strats, i fucking hate that switch placement) i lose a lot of volume if i change between buckers and split coils, and it's a real pain in the ass

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>>68255368
seems very complex. this is the only pitch shifting pedal i need

>>68255524
Yeah, I'm wondering too as they are still close friends. Well, maybe he will be announced later in the process of the production. I definitely hope so, he's an absolute beast. But as far as the lineup suggests, the album will be a lot more diverse than "Perspective". Seems like we're getting both mellow and hard hitting stuff.

>>68255176
I enjoy playing bass and it's my main instrument, I play upright bass as well. When I decided to pick up an instrument bass was the most appealing to me, not as an "easier guitar" but because of the role it plays.

>>68250449
Youmushedtogetherafewthingshannibalsaid

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>>68253500
Nah dude I've had sonic blue before and it drove me crazy how the blue wasn't present at all

>>68253367
>if you own a non offset like a Strat/Tele then you'll be fine.
Why would I want a non offset?

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HOLD THE FUCK UP what happened to these?

>>68256215
iirc they're still in production

>>68250605
>>68253367
Ok cool thanks guys! I think I might try to see if my Guitar Center would order one in on the basis that I might buy it

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>/gg/ calls something a meme machine
Just stop and acknowledge that more than one form is viable.

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Is this a good score for 375$?
The guitar is a some sort of Cimar from the 1970's

Double bassist here. Anybody got any experience with the velvet red copperwound strings? Thinking about getting a set

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>>68250831
Owner here. It's a custom partscaster project started by a guy in Vancouver that makes bolt-on B-bender systems, company is called Van Rosa Innovations, I think he sells them for around $250 CAD. He built this guitar very cheaply (basically a countertop with a Squier neck) to test his B-bender product with the brass barrel style saddles. I'm the 3rd owner and I've done a few mods to it (staining the wood, changing out the saddles), but it's still far from an enjoyable instrument. It desperately needs new pickups, these old Teisco single coils have gone very microphonic. It could also really use a nice neck. As of today I keep it around more as a novelty than anything but the bolt on B-bender system is actually fantastic and works really well. I may eventually turn this one into a decent guitar or I might just pull off the bender system and put it on something else.

>>68251018
Good lord I wish.

Pic related is the day I bought it.

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I think i'm gonna build an new pedalboard this weekend boys.

I'm considering a design like pic related (crappy paint thing but it gets the idea across). Half is 2 tiered and half is flat. Left side for 'normal' sized pedals, the right is for volume/wah/tuner.

power supply would be mounted under the second tier shelf.

What think?

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>>68256852
I like it.

>>68256852
seems cool
what materials are you going to use?

>>68257000
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nice SG byw

Here's an attempt on a jazz improvisation on Oleo, I still find it hard to play.

https://clyp.it/gei0dy00
R8 or H8.

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S-should I, /gg/?
Already got a white US KE2 but I just inherited a lot of money and buying it wouldn't make a dent in my new found fortune.

Someone should add some solfege tutorial to OP.

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Converting tube radio to amp, yay or nay?

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Some guts

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More guts

>>68254845

Buying a guitar with knowledge and intention to "fix" it is pretty ahem "cuck" in and out of itself. Your guitar should be great as is when you buy it after just a set-up.

I still think it's unfortunate the bad rep and overhype Fender offsets have been getting recently.

t. Jazzmaster owner since 2006 (I love you Kevin Shields)

>>68257252
>>68257278
>>68257300
So dusty.
It'll explode.

>>68256531
It's like V and Xploder went into those teleportation pods in the fly and now they want to die.

>>68257318
I agree with this about guitars priced as fenders are, but I feel like throwing out there that you can't generalize it to cheaper guitars. Buying a cheap guitar and working on it still seems to be the cheapest way to your dream guitar.

>>68257063
Pallet wood, black hard coat, heavy duty tape on the edges. Maybe some metal handles on the sides.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7XkE2iPnVA

>>68256549
We have pretty few upright bassists here, I myself only own an EUB with good old Daddario helicores on it atm.
As much as I hate to say it, you should probably look around on talkbass if you want an answer.

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Just copped.

i got a 5 string banjo at a second hand place yesterday on a whim.

the 5th cord is snapped ( the short), I cant get it till this weekend.

Can I learn 4 string banjo stuff on a 5 string? or are they fundamentally different? if so whats a good starting book?

>>68256549
Ask on talkbass. Bassists here aren't good enough to play DB.

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any opinions on this?
I play a red Tele w/ maple neck and it's just not right for my new post-hardcore project.

>>68257562
pallet woods are soaked and sprayed w/ pesticides. gross thing to keep in your house even with a coat of paint.

>>68257601
so many nice yamahas out there
why this one?

>>68258296
It was SUPER cheap, like sub 200 cheap for a MIJ guitar in great condition.

>>68256531
It's like a V with downs syndrome.

>>68256578
How does it play?
Could you post a recording of it?

>>68257252
How?

>>68258179
My younger brother has one of these as his back-up guitar. It's pretty solid for its price range as far as I can remember.

>hurricane coming
>may have to evacuate

quick do i save the tele or sg? the bass guitars can stay those dont matter.

>>68259052
>carrying only one guitar
DYEL?

>>68259052
The sg and one bass, you monster.

>>68259052
Evacuating was fun, my roommates and I got to have ourselves a convoy of 5 cars and headed west.

>>68259052
The SG. The Tele will probably survive the hurricane.

>>68257218
what's the difference between that and the KE2? from what I see it sounds like you're buying the same guitar twice m8

>Mandatory evacuations begin at 3 o'clock Wednesday afternoon

the sg and some other RARE equipment are packed. i have 15 minutes before i have to go. i love all of you.

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>>68259052
>evacuating
>not playing rock you like a hurricane while being inside a hurricane
Why even live?

>>68259368
Stay safe fampai.

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>>68258899
Noisy microphonic pickups with incorrect switch wiring, poor quality neck and tuners, cheap rosewood fingerboard, plays quite poorly, needs full restoration. My amp and microphones are across town set up for recording so I'm unable to do anything electric at home for a while.

>>68259052
If it's an american or mexican Tele save it.

>>68256215
Looks discontinued m8.

>>68259368
Stay safe. I hope it doesn't come to New England

>>68259438
kek

brb, going to florida so I can do that

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>>68259515
Here's a recording of my primary Telecaster, though. This is what I wish the B-bender sounded like.

Recorded w/ Lonestar Classic 2x12 + SM57.
http://picosong.com/KVWN/

>>68258040
Hey! I do play DB but double bassists have rarely tried most brands and models of strings because we don't pay 5$ per set but rather 200-600.

>>68250548
it's not that good. fatter neck than original mustangs, basswood makes the guitar sound too thin.

>>68259998
>basswood makes the guitar sound too thin.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAGA!

>>68253105
I remember every time I tried one, I really wanted it. It was so warm and punchy and the price wasn't that bad.

>>68260022
I tried it side by side to a 65 reissue. you should try it yourself

>>68260050

Any comments on wood making a guitars sound one way or the other will result in people jestering and peltering you with "m-muh toanwood xd wood doesnt affect sound lmao", anon. Don't even try.

>>68260050
>wood is the reason this guitar sounds worse and not the cheap build

>>68260050
>2 different guitars sounded different
Tell me exactly why it has to be the wood that made this difference?

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Vintage Harmony Silvertone archtop for $300. Yes?

>>68260086
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>>68260117
oh shit. I didn't know it was a trigger topic.
I've upgraded hardware and cheap guitars and they still sound terrible. I don't know what else to blame if you've changed the pickups and pots

>>68260148
there's more in a guitar than just a bridge, pickups and tuners, affirming wood's the only reason one guitar is shit is stupid

>>68259232
>Three DiMarzios instead of two Seymours
>abalone inlays
>matching headstock finish
>black body binding
My Kelly is an absolute bliss to play. It sounds, feels and looks exactly the way I like it. So why the fuck not buy another?

>>68260175
dont think anyone made that claim m8.

But there's a reason why my CE22 mahogany sounds different than a maple top/mahogany neck custom 22 with the same pickups.

>>68260175
I don't know what to say... but you're smarter than me so I'll take your advice

Thoughts on the BOSS CE-2W? Should I pull the trigger or are there any better options?

>>68260148
Don't change the subject, you were comparing a 65 reissue with a VM? Or was it another model? You were literally comparing 2 different models of guitars, they sounded different, and you thought that it HAD to be the body wood that made that difference? Not literally all the other factors that changed? Do you see the issue?

>>68260233
see>>68260175
and>>68260228
the end

>>68260254
I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

>>68260207
>he thinks its the wood

Youre the guy who thinks Rallys is better than Checkers

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Have a maple Strat neck and black body put together at this point, now just debating what to install for pickguard/electronics and I've been considering an HS setup. How do these colors look?

>>68260420
I'd use a P90 in the neck if you were dead set on one humbucker and one single-coil.

>>68260420
Black pick guard with white binding on the edges.

>>68260451
Only thing I'm adamant on is a Pearly Gates I scored for the bridge, so I'm open to the possibilities right now

are there any new members that joined a band and took control of it? I just joined a band as a 2nd guitarist and I know if we follow the main songwriter's lead we won't be doing anything special

>>68259052
take at least one bass thats a waste of wood you fuck

>>68260420
Top looks pretty baller, except for those white pick up covers.

What >>68260459 said would look really nice too.

>>68255176
I play bass because I genuinely appreciate the instrument. Faggot.

>>68260420
>>68260459
this + black hardware if you can be bothered.

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>people believe wood affects the tone of a none acoustic instrument, that it somehow affects the way the magnets vibrate and transform energy into an electric signal

If it's difficult to tell the difference between Cedar and Spruce tops of classicals made by the same Luthier(the back an sides make little to no difference Torres himself set out to prove that and did so), why on earth do you think you can hear something that's not there through a thick coat of lacquer?

You're hearing with your eyes, McGurk effect in action.

>>68260121
No; it doesn't appear to have a truss rod. Truss rods are a godsend for vintage guitars.

>>68260828

Plus, you know, the amp makes a dickload of difference too.

>>68260828
This. But I think the current argument is that the body wood acts as a filter and resonates with different frequencies which are then sent back into the strings and change how they vibrate, which is then picked up by the pickups.
Just thought I'd keep you updated on the latest pseudo science.

>>68260828
The bridge of a fully-electric guitar is still connected to the body, so it's actually transferring energy to the wood, which dissipates it more readily in some frequencies than others.
Now, of course the effect is pretty negligible and only the highly-functioning autist(or barely-functioning /mu/tard) crowd would care much about it, but it's there and it's detectable. There's a couple of studies on that on the internet IIRC.

>>68253167

Agreed. Important pedals to have:

>EQ
>some type of fuzz or distortion if you don't like the distortion your amp has
>compressor if you play bass (just learn when is tasteful to use it and when not)
>reverb if you don't like your amp's

optional but useful in lots of cases:
>delay
>chorus or maybe phaser

All the other stuff is more if you really think you need to have it for making funny noises.

>>68260828

Tone is fingers > amp > pickups > strings > nut and bridge > muh tonewoods

>>68260828
it affects feed back to bridge and string you retard.

>>68261175
Prove it. Prove that it makes a significant difference, heck prove that it makes an audible difference.

I have an Ibanez RGA with DiMarzio pickups that were made specifically for the guitar and they're fine. But I've just always had a certain sound I've liked and wanted to get from a guitar.
Pls no bully, but I really like the sound Synyster Gates of Avenged Sevenfold has with his guitars, that really "whiny" sounding lead that he has. I've always wanted to have it in my guitars. I'm not even a fan of them, I just love his guitar tone.
He uses Seymour Duncan Invaders. Are their any other pickups that can give a similar sound and does anyone have experience with the Invader?

https://www.youtube.com/user/frettedamericana/videos How is it possible to be this much of a tryhard? https://youtu.be/jDqshHa3vog

>>68261252
lol,it's more like just feeling or believing rather than functional uasges for most players.But good producers seldom pick woods with bad quality.So-called good tonewood are something good producers give you in order to charge you more.

>>68261174
I'm gonna say:

fingers > amp > pickups > nut > wood > bridge > strings

>>68261014
EQ setting from your amps and tone setting on your guitar and other pedals are enough in most situations.You don't need an extra EQ pedal.

>>68261420
>But good producers seldom pick woods with bad quality.So-called good tonewood are something good producers give you in order to charge you more.
All "tonewoods" happen to be cheap, readily available, have great milling properties and are easy on the tools. Seems like an incredible coincidence that it's exactly these woods that also produce the best sound.

Any tips for getting better playing through an amp? I'm used to playing electric without one (annoying neighbours) and in practices I ring out the non-fretted strings constantly. I bought headphones and started practising through the amp with those at home, is it just a matter of time and effort or are there techniques I've skipped learning because I haven't used an amp much?

>>68261596
Learn every muting technique possible. Check out Ben Eller's stuff on that, it's great. Look into the lessons why your power chords suck. Most of that can be used in any other context also.

>>68261596
>>68261629

Yeah i ran in to troubles a while back for the same reason. Always practiced unplugged and when i went to play on the amp all of the random harmonics and open string ringing I hadn't noticed in practice would come out.

Always good to practice with headphones in amp for this reason.

>>68261596
Honestly, the only real answer is practice. Playing with an amp and distortion to the point where open strings don't ring is just something you get better at after a while. I was terrible the first few months I played with an amp. You just have to consciously try and mute the other strings and get better and better over time.

>>68261629

This one here is most relevant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJIRmnpTFRc

>>68256508

what did you mean by this

>>68261629
My power chords are alright actually, one of the things that translated from playing acoustic which I also do more regularly- good hand strength. Thanks a lot for the other stuff though though!
>>68261714
Yeah I'm trying to be more conscious of exactly what I'm doing wrong and correcting it, but old habits are hard to get out of.

>>68261797
Yeah, the other anon linked the video that is more on the topic. I just forgot if he had any other material, and remembered that he touched upon muting in his power chord video.

Ben's humour might not be to your taste, but fuck me does he teach really well.

Have a nice night grinding away.

>>68261827
Oh I thought that was you that linked that, or I would've thanked him before too. Have a good night man
>>68261763
Thanks dude

>>68260229
Haven't played it but word is it's not quite as nice sounding as the vintage models it's emulating. What specifically do you want from it? It's a lot of money at the moment and presumably will drop in price at some point, possibly there will be a cheaper Taiwanese issue too.

*pulls pin*

*throws grenade* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLxE8iDWD_w

*runs*

>>68262609
Fuck off newfag

>>68262609
With all the "controversy" over tonewoods, I'm amazed no one's done a proper test.

>>68262673
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mH5hwLkxCI

>>68261767
Given that the guitar in that image appears to have eight strings, I would think he's trying to say that he's pro-djent.

>>68262673
Strandberg's son did it as a school project: http://guitarworks.thestrandbergs.com/2014/12/28/the-impact-of-wood-choice-in-an-electric-guitar/

>>68260828
Not quite. I'm a physics major though so I can enlighten you.

Different densities in wood affect how much string vibration energy is lost when you pluck a string. A higher density wood will reject the string energy transfer into the body (this is called internal stress) and thus the string will vibrate longer. With that being said keep in mind two pieces of wood from the same tree would probably sound different due to slight differences in density. It would be very hard to attribute a sound to a certain species of wood.

Also keep in mind a higher density neck will resist the physical pull of the strings and thus stay in tune better. This can also be achieved with multi-piece lamination's which is common on 8 string necks for example.

When a manufacturer uses the misleading term "tone wood" they're really referencing a word that a luthier would use to describe a piece of wood that rings out a specific note when tapped. A piece of wood like this would usually be used for an acoustic rather than an electric guitar though.

Is the wood that your electric guitar is made of as important as your amp, pickups, etc.? Obviously not, but the idea that the wood used in an electric guitar has no effect on it's overall sound is wrong.

>>68262823
lol no your not a physics major you fucking poser lyer wood doesnt do nothing for sound

>>68263165
You'd be right if an electric guitars overall sound didn't have anything at all to do with how long it sustains notes or how well it stayed in tune.

Unfortunately though both those things are crucial to an electric guitars overall sound. Sorry.

>>68262609

*unsheats katana*

*teleports behind you*

*stabs you in the back*

heh, nothing personnel kid...

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Just came across this meme on CL. He's asking for $950. Kek.

>>68262823
I hate to admit that this is correct. Acoustically there's a few more factors than density, and working backwards from some of those test results we can see that there are some woods with equal density which will have different damping coefficients, but I always tell consumers to go by weight. It's the largest contributing factor and pretty much the only one you can measure on your own.

The fact that higher order harmonics are more easily lost than lower harmonics, and that mahogany has a reputation for warmth despite this fact, should be enough to explain that although wood does affect tone, virtually every piece of marketing and conventional wisdom on this subject it wrong.

http://www.scielo.cl/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0718-221X2015000400011
(The authors of this article have another similar and great study I couldn't find)

The only factor I can pick up by ear is between two guitars of drastically different weight with all other factors equal. The audible difference I hear in such an example is that chords, particularly more dissonant chords, tend to resolve to harmonically related overtones sooner on a lighter instrument than a heavier one. This is audible as the characteristic warbling of nearby frequencies lasting for a significantly longer period of time on the heavier instrument. Personally despite hearing this difference I have not been able to notice a difference in sustain of chords. While in theory single notes should definitely sustain longer on a heavier instrument I haven't found a good audio example to see if this goes beyond a mere measurable difference to an audibly noticeable difference.

http://youtu.be/5vgwaiScrwA

>>68263230
thats not true show me your physics certificate.

>>68263291
>spending more than $50 for a bass

Bass players don't get that bass sound is all in their head. Bass unlike guitar sounds the same no matter what.

>>68263400
Yeah man, because undistorted guitar is so much more common than undistorted bass.

>>68263400
>Bass unlike guitar sounds the same no matter what
Wew lad

>>68263452
Lol you're really dumb. Bass only has four strings so you can't be as versatile with it as with a guitar.

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>>68263515
Damn son, laying down the facts

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Would a China-made Epiphone Casino make a good first guitar. I want to be able to play beatles and psychedelic rock, but might want to branch out to blues and jazz so it looked like a good choice. Also, its cool that you can play it as an acoustic when not plugged in.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FVEMP6Q/ref=twister_B01DTJ03UA?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

>>68263569
as a first DO IT! i had an option between an Squier Bullet HSS strat $125 and a Epiphone Dot $150 and i took the squier instead it was a huge piece of shit. i recently came around to playing another Dot and i curse myself for not getting it. the wider neck radius would be good for finding and spacing chords but youll have to strech a bit. the wide body is comfortable when sitting and hunching over to play

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>>68251044
I don't typically respond to trips as I feel its completely useless unless to identify an OP making multiple threads, but to comment on your point,

I'm poor as hell and I just don't see the point in asking. It isn't just low, but its unrealistic too, who in their right mind would be smart enough to make money and give it away? I guess other poor people don't have brains.

>>68260828
If you have an all solid vs an all laminate electric you will hear the difference.

Can I ask for some advice as a newfriend?

I'm trying to get some people together at my University to just practice jamming, and who knows make a small group. I've met two pianists and three guitarists, what can I do with this?

I'm thinking bring the group together and play a backtrack through a small speaker and just jam out. One of the guitarists is a girl who is just interested in me but I offered to teach her what little I know in the forms of single note soloing and scales.

Any recommendations for songs, scales I can teach the other guitarists (besides Am Pentatonic, D Maj. E Maj, and Em), would be truly appreciated.

Currently in the process of ordering a soldering iron to fix my first electric.

Pic semi related
>kid shows me a guitar that looks exactly like a white falcon gretsch, even has gold pickups and a golden trim/bigsby whammy bar, string setup, etc.
>its a fucking ibby
Never again.

>>68263368
There are a lot of factors that play into the way an electric guitar sounds for sure. Even something like saddle material (steel, brass, etc.) plays a part in the overall sound.

You can take two of the exact same model electric guitars and one might have the "mojo" while the other doesn't. That's just the reality, a really good sounding electric guitar is only rare because of the variances in the sum of it's parts.

I'm would never say that wood plays the most important part in the sound of an electric guitar, I just take issue with anybody claiming it plays no part at all.

>>68263641
Alright thanks man, how good quality is it? Like how long do you think it would last?

>>68263569
Yes great choice

>>68263702
its chinese, not too good. if you love it youll upgrade the electronics. first give it a setup. But dont worry by the time problems arise youll probably have another guitar or two

>>68263675
>I've met two pianists and three guitarists, what can I do with this?

Play music.

>>68263569
Yeah, and this is the one you should get.
>17 fret neck loint
>MIJ
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Epiphone-casino-semi-acoustic-1993-made-in-Japan-electric-guitar-RefNo-97792-/191822646944?hash=item2ca9854ea0:g:czQAAOSwZQxW3-V~

>>68263569
>>68263702
Chinese guitar vely many quality, foleigner. With chinese epiphone you make sound as harmonious like Han Xiangzi's dizi, get all foleign pussy too.
Is also vely reliable and last for many genelation too. Is all made flom wood wateled with clystalline water of great yellow liver, vely noble metal and no cheap plastic, only finest chinese porcelain and jade.

>>68263884
Trying too hard.

>>68263675
If you've got 2 pianists and 3 guitarists with no rhythm section at all, you should just separate into 2 bands. Try to see who gets along with who and make your choice.

>>68263794
11/10

>>68264013
Thank you, great idea.

Any recs in terms of tracks or stuff to start out?

>>68264099

If one of the keyboardists is named Ray Manzarek and can play basslines and melodies at the same time just get the other one to play drums or something. If not turn one of your guitarists into a drummer or bassist.

>>68264099
I don't really know what would be best to start. When I was in university bands, I was often playing with beginners. The trick was to keep them motivated so we played mostly famous 70-80's rock songs so they'd feel cool about themselves. Then we started including more complex/obscure tracks.

>>68261301
leave phil x alone

>>68252510
You're meant to break it into segments and do it over a week or two then repeat.

>>68261255
BKP Warpig has a similar voicing to an Invader without being terrible.

New EQD pedal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqdw2FwIiH4

>>68263685
I take issue with anyone who claims that it's above the threshhold of Just Noticeable Difference.
You can't really tell, the majority of the tonal differences are all in one's head between two identical guitars.
Hearing with your eyes.

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>>68250831
>>68256578
>>68257000
>>68259515
>>68259647
and now i christen thee..

Dadbro

>>68265014
>the majority of the tonal differences are all in one's head between two identical guitars
lol

>>68265014
>I take issue with anyone who claims that it's above the threshhold of Just Noticeable Difference.

Is English not your first language or something?

>>68265014
Alright, I'll bite. If you took issue with anything I said then you'd be taking issue with the irrefutable science of physics, sorry. Which you're completely within your rights to do by the way, just understand you're openly admitting you're an idiot who denies the scientific facts by doing so. The wood used to construct an electric guitar will effect the overall sound of the instrument. Period.

And you claiming someone can't really tell the tonal differences between two identical guitars and they're just "hearing with their eyes" is also wrong. The variations in pot values alone are enough to change an electric guitars overall sound. Never mind all the other variables like pickup height, pickup output, etc. I'd invite anybody to go to their local Guitar Center and A/B two of the same guitars to easily disprove what you're calming.

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Howdy y'all thinking of selling my mim fender strat, I want it sold fast.
What do you think a fair price for it would be?
(pic related)

>>68265956
$200

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hey fags check out my new picks

My high e string just randomly snapped right at the peg 5 minutes after switching to Eb. The strings were 2 weeks old. Did I not wrap up enough string or why would else it do that?

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>>68266208
mah nigga

>>68266208
I play mostly with my fingers.

>>68266047
it's sells used at 350$ on reverb and it's retailing new at guitar center for 600$

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>>68266208
memetastic

>>68266212
That one always snaps, don't worry.

>>68266256
>GRAY IS THE COLOR OF MY MIND
>GRAY IS THE COLOR OF MY WINE
>SEE BEHIND THE SCENE
>A YOUNG BOY GOES WILD

>GRAY IS THE COLOR OF MY EYES
>GRAY IS THE COLOR OF MY SPINE
>A SPIRIT OF AN OLD PARCHED TREE
>DREAM TO TOUCH THE WELL

>GRAY IS THE COLOR OF MY MIND
>GRAY IS THE COLOR OF MY TEARS
>I TRY TO SEE THE INVISIBLE SIDE OF >THE RAINBOW
No one cares.

>>68266208
Kek I bought those last spring I'll send a pic when I get home I

>>68266499
Some lyrics need to be heard within the context of the song.

Just look how this lyrics look like with no context, for example:

Everything, everything, everything, everything..
In its right place
In its right place
In its right place
Right place

Yesterday I woke up sucking a lemon
Yesterday I woke up sucking a lemon
Yesterday I woke up sucking a lemon
Yesterday I woke up sucking a lemon

Everything, everything, everything..
In its right place
In its right place
Right place

There are two colours in my head
There are two colours in my head
What is that you tried to say?
What was that you tried to say?
Tried to say.. tried to say..
Tried to say.. tried to say..

>How long have you been playing?
About 9 years, though I haven't really played much in the past few years
>Fav guitars?
I have a huge thing for TV yellow Les Paul Juniors
>Fav guitarists?
Don Felder, Eric Clapton, Zach Baker
>Projects?
My friend and I have been talking about starting a band but I really don't know where to start.

>>68255439
Wasn't he dead or something?

>>68265130
>>68265130
>>68265164
>is unaware of what Just Noticeable Difference is

>>68266760
nah he has like aids or something and can't sing anymore

>>68266830
he cant even move

What are some good Philly bands?

>>68266823
>McGurk effect
>Just Noticeable Difference
I'm perfectly aware of you obviously have no understanding of either one of those terms and tried to erroneously use them in defense of your first claim which was:
>people believe wood affects the tone of a none acoustic instrument
After which I provided you with clear scientific explanations as to why and how wood affects the tone of an electric guitar. Then instead of challenging the facts I provided with an actual argument you chose to throw out "Just Noticeable Difference" which wouldn't refute or apply to anything I stated.

Here's a link so you can clarify for yourself what the term actually means for future reference.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-noticeable_difference

Post triggers
>Watching a band play
>Guy playing the guitar tunes it without removing the capo

>>68266853
how does aids make you not move

>>68265956
325 is fairly cheap
300 is probably more eye-popping
it really depends way more on your market though

>>68250449
So what is it with Philly and shoegaze? Why is Philadelphia suddenly overflowing with shoegaze bands? Why Phille, specifically?

>>68267365
Philly is always 10 years behind trends, they're copying the Brooklyn scene from 2006.

>>68266275
$300 is what I would expect to get for it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-EPIPHONE-E230TD-INSPIRED-BY-JOHN-LENNON-REVOLUTION-CASINO-ELECTRIC-GUITAR-/361759368728?hash=item543a89e618:g:-XoAAOSw8oFX0zy3


Is this legit? Seems to good to be true.

>>68267223
More to the point was that any tone changes coming from a body of different woods is well below the threshold of anyone actually noticing. Stimuli(sound in this case) from a mahogany and a basswood body in a double blind test would sound the same because the minutia of the tonal difference is such that the human ear can not percieve the difference.
If I told you that Mahogany has a bright sound your mind would start to look for that quality anytime you played a mahogany guitar. You hear with your eyes.
What difference you are hearing between identical guitars(pickups, electronics, strings, setups etc) with different body materials is entirely fabricated and based on heresay.

>>68267449
>chinese shitbox
>$899 + $50 s&h
>Seems to good to be true.
time 4 u 2 lurk moar

>>68260530
>bass
>Made of wood

>>68267532
I thought inspired by John Lennon was made in US!

>>68267523
>is well below the threshold of anyone actually noticing.
>would sound the same because the minutia of the tonal difference is such that the human ear can not perceive the difference
>You hear with your eyes
>What difference you are hearing between identical guitars(pickups, electronics, strings, setups etc) with different body materials is entirely fabricated and based on heresay.
In other words you want to present claims that are unprovable/unsubstantiatable based on your own subjective opinion as fact.

>>68267679
>$899
>made in US
m80

>>68250675
That's an abomination, and I would very much like one.

>>68267766
Well dude, should I just get the Normal one instead for 600? They said with the john lennon one it has Gibson pickups or something.

>>68267834
get 1 made n korea

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>>68250449
hey gg diy sent me over here I work in a pawn shop and this old guy pawned a Gibson Les Paul the other day and my boss dropped it on the floor and broke it at the top.I tried to fix it with some of the stuff we had on the tools shelf and I was wondering how much we might should ask for it? they are going for around $1800 on ebay but this one has the top broken

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>>68268007
heres a pic of how it looks from the back. it's not perfect but it is holding on the strings good

>>68268039
oh you fucked it up good

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>>68268082
no my boss did it not me. I'm the one who fixed it

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>classical guitar
>jazz guitar
>math rock

>>68268039
Take it to a master luthier and have an entirely new neck fitted, otherwise use it as kindling.

That gore fix isn't worth anything. I haven't seen one as bad since a supposed pro "fixed" my fathers old Aria Pro-II lawsuit era acoustic.

>>68268118
I would be surprised if it even stays in tune after that. You'll probably have to just sell it for parts. Find out how much the body and the hardware are worth. Probably still at least a couple hundred.

>>68268174
It won't stay in tune, it's ruined.

That said, Gibson should really start putting volutes on their angled headstocks.

>>68268118
yes i know, you killed any sort of resale value it could have had.

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>>68268207
why? the top stays on now. the rest of the guitar is fine

>>68268235
You did the equivalent of putting concrete inside a car's tire to fix a flat tire.

Except in this case the tire is glued in place and can't be changed by an amateur.

>>68268007
Is your retarded boss paying you for this or are you a pussy?

>>68268235
Because its unplayable.

>>68268235
because you put fucking screws through it

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>line 6 m9 suddenly dies
>screen won't turn on
>no warranty
>PSU is old so try a new one
>still doesn't work, wasted $25
>open it up
>connector unplugged
>plug it in
>power up
>it works
i feel very stupid

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>>68268327
i put some super glue in there too though. the rest of the guitar is fine no other problems

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>>68268007
>>68268039
>>68268118
>>68268235
sorry mate, but thats a fucked

>>68268397
Is there something wrong with you?

>>68250449
>>How long have you been playing?
Bassist for almost 20 years.

>>Fav guitars?
G&L right now. I want to get an upright bass someday.

>>Fav guitarists?
On guitar... Allan Holdsworth, Larry Carlton, Jim Hall, Pat Metheney...

On bass... John Pattitucci, Alain Caron, Jimmy Haslip, Stu Hamm, Phil Lesh, I dunno, tons more. I can't really stand Brian Bromberg.

>>Projects?
Just dicking around multitracking bass parts.

>>Talk about and play music
I've been playing since middle school. I picked up jazz in high school, and that tends to be my favorite, but I'll play a lot of stuff. I don't do it professionally, but I keep up with it despite it not being my day job.

>>68268397
>the rest of the guitar is fine no other problems

It will never stay in tune and it'll sound like shit.

You fucked up, your boss fucked up. At least you'll have some mahogany to fire come winter.

>>68268118
Oh god, you could almost hurt your hands on those things.

>>68268439
>le "I want to get an upright bass someday" meme
not even a guitar

>>68268007
Even if it plays fine, guitarists aren't the sort of people who typically will not be willing to pay much for an instrument that has had repair or alteration.

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>>68268430
the top is staying on now though and holding on the strings. other than the top it is fine

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>>68268511
>the top is staying on now though and holding on the strings. other than the top it is fine

>>68268511
ok you know what youre right.

>>68268511
I'll give you $20 for it.

>>68268507
*are not aren't

>>68268574
That shit will never play fine, it's guitar gore of the worst sort.

>>68268448
not that guy, but i visited my mother last weekend and found a classical guitar there which a guy had fixed for her by putting five or six screws in the head, pretty much just like this guy did, these however were pretty sharp and sticking out on the back of the head by about half an inch
cant wait to forget about them and impale my fingers on them next time i visit... at least it will make for some interesting pics (should have snapped a shot...)

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>>68268614
no I think it plays fine. it has no problems other than the top. the top can't really be that big a deal overall

>>68268738
>I think it plays fine.
Well you clearly have no fucking clue.

You've ruined it, your only option is to get a master luthier to build an entirely new neck for it.

>how long have you been playing
Bass 6/7 years, guitar 6 months

>Fav guitars
Fender and G&L

>Fav guitarists
Bass:
Les Claypool, Geddy Lee, Steve Harris, Kim Deal

Guitar:
Buckethead, Jimmy Paige, Robert Plant, Yngwie malmstein, Jimi Hendrix, Stevie Ray Vaughn

>Projects
https://youtu.be/HGG-y5RDPyA

>Talk about music
Lots of dicking around for the past few years, got signed by a minor record label. Not successful enough to make a living off of it or anything, but working towards it. Spend just about all my free time trying to find the next biggest thing that's going to set us above what other people are doing. I'd say I'm heavily inspired by early 2000's alt rock and indie folk.

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>>68268775
a whole new neck? your crazy. I screwed it back on perfect when I did it

>>68268007
>they are going for around $1800 on ebay
and that one's worth around $100 if you sell the electronics and hardware and burn the wood.

>>68268830
Keep on amusing me man. You're like a caveman trying to understand and explain engineering.

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>>68268852
well how much would you pay for it then. it comes with a case too

>>68268886
I wouldn't.

They all come with cases, so that's not even a selling point. I also have all the electronics I need. Putting a new neck on a standard wouldn't be worth it in my opinion.

>>68268738
The top has to be very stable otherwise things get annoying

i hhave never touched an instrument but i rly want to play post-punk style guitar. where do start?

>>68268886
>well how much would you pay for it then

nothing, you ruined it

>>68268946
Buy a cheap shit and learn power chords.

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>>68268956
you guys are not helping at all

>>68268986
do you have some sort of mental disability? because it sounds like you do.

>>68268946
The first rule of punk music is that you have to forget about the whole idea of being a good guitar player. No punk band has ever even been music literate to my knowledge your best tool would be to pick up a guitar and sit down with it for 5-8 hours a day trying to play a song only listening to it, once you get a feel for replication and standard chord progression by repetition, you'll be halfway to making your own stuff.

>>68268986
You've been told what can be done with it and you've been given a rough estimate of what you can sell the parts for.

Time to accept reality, You. Fucked. Up.

>>68269010
whatever then. you guys are just jerks

>>68269032
>you guys are just jerks
No, we're guitar players. Some of us with several decades of playing and repairs under our belts.

You're a pawn shop employee who won't accept the fact that you and your boss ruined a guitar to the point where it needs intervention from a master luthier.

>>68269069
I'm not even talking to you anymore

>>68269091
Thanks for the (you).

You won't find anyone here with a different opinion than mine.

>>68268499
>not even a guitar
How is that a bad thing?

>>68269007
would this apply to bands like minutemen and gang of four?

>>68266568
Except those lyrics are still good. Yours are dogshit.

Are you all really falling for the bait

>>68257252
probably nay, save like a basic fender kinda thing.

What tubes?

>>68268986
dude, as you said, you came from diy to get advice. we're trying to tell you that you literally no longer have a $1800 guitar. it's gone. poof.
what you have is a diy project. and you'll end up having to sell it like one. (disassembling and selling the parts is probably the best option.)

>>68268986
Put it on the wall with $3000 tag on it

If he spends some money on a luthier he can get it fixed

>>68269596
the cost to fix it won't be offset by the profit a pawn shop could turn on it.

NEW THREAD

>>68269604
>>68269604
>>68269604
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>>68269596
>he can get it fixed
Too late for that neck after he put two fat fucking holes through it.

>>68269007
Kek have you heard of Television?

>>68269614
>No pasta

Delete it and try again.

>>68269639
I replaced the pasta with a bob ross video.

>>68269661
Well this is not fucking Bob Ross General now is it?

>>68269190
The minutemen are pretty out there dudes. Even if you learned to play the way they did I don't think you'd end up with the same results.

>>68269673
Oh cmon now. it's not a big deal.
I replaced it with a bob ross video to remind everyone that art is about inspiration and vision, not about theory.

Hey goons, I've been playing for awhile now and I'm looking to upgrade to a better guitar than the Squier Tele that I have now. Trying to get the best sound for my money, and I like slower, bluesy stuff, but also wanna be able to play punk-ish garbage with friends. Any suggestions?

>>68269704
Inspiration and vision are meaningless without the skill to convey them.

>>68268039
Holy fucking Christ.
>>68268235
>why? the top stays on now.
For the same reason a car with a big dent that's been poorly hammered out loses resale value. What are you, a moron? Shoddy repairs hurt resale value. Anyone looking for a guitar is going to look at that and go "Whoa holy shit I don't want this" unless they're willing to fix it, in which case they're going to be looking to get it at a bargain price.

>>68269614
Delete that and make a real new thread please.

>>68269923
Music theory is not about the technical ability to play your instrument.

The artistic part of music is all about vision and inspiration, you see?

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>>68270147
That's like saying color theory has nothing to do with painting(Protip: Ross uses it. A lot.).

You know what kind of art you get without theory behind it?

Shit like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRM_Wyj7elI

There, I did it: >>68270248

>>68270189
>implying that's not good art
>trying to present your subjective opinion on art without theory behind it as objective

>>68270189
Color theory is completely not needed, yes.

Knowing color theory does not matter at all when you create art from your own imagination and vision.

Did you really never watch bob ross lessons

>>68263400
are you people even trying anymore

>>68270424
>Color theory is completely not needed, yes.
No, it really is. I'ma fucking painter, don't you tell me what is or isn't needed you braindead cunt.
>Knowing color theory does not matter at all when you create art from your own imagination and vision.
It matters EVEN MORE. You don't need to pay attention to color theory when doing observational work because the shit's all right there in front of you, but even there you can do some simple shit to improve observation work.
>Did you really never watch bob ross lessons
Yeah, he uses color theory a lot and does some stealth teaching by talking about what colors you should use when. His paintings work BECAUSE he's got a strong grasp of color theory - and almost nothing else, I might add - he's really bad at perspective and even his trees have, for lack of a better word, poor anatomy. His strongest ability is being really fucking good at color and pushing paint around in effective ways, and he chooses subjects that let him play to his strengths. It's why you don't see him painting fucking portraits.

If he was a more well rounded artist he could have painted anything.

And it's the same in music you stupid bitch. The only thing you do by not learning is limit yourself.