Historically, why haven't unicorns subjugated and enslaved

>>30857005
Not every unicorn has a talent for magic, also, DYEWTS? If they fight they all get frozen to death.

>>30857005
Because alicorns control everything and most unicorns aren't that good at magic.

It's a kid's show.

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Because not even your unicorns could deal with these things

>>30857005
Historically, why haven't pegasi subjugated and enslaved the other pony tribes? How can they even defend themselves against flying cloud fortresses?

>>30857012
Even then, the average unicorn telekinesis is a far stronger ability than what most earth and Pegasus ponies can do.
And we've seen total shitter unicorn like trixie be taught teleportation and transfiguration in a single day.

Kinda bothers me desu, i'd like to see a earth pony absorb a hit from magic or something, the other tribes are absolutely shit tier right now.

>>30857026
This actually. People meme about unicorns because my one in a million magic geniuses, but in reality they would get fucked with no widespread and efficient way to deal with bad and unfavorable weather.

>oh no, looks like all your crops dried up.
>oh shit, we sent you a bunch of record breaking twisters, oops.
>you needed sunny/cloudy weather for favorable conditions, but good luck getting that.
>hey, it's raining—hope you weren't planning to use bow and arrows.

>>30857008
>>30857021
>Not every unicorn has a talent for magic
Not every has to. A handful of talented mages should be able to subjugate all others. And even common unicorns can levitate.
>If they fight they all get frozen to death.
that was when EVERYONE was being a dick to each other. but if they were to implement some racial superiority laws where Unicorns are required to be civil (at least to other Unicorns), then it wouldn't be a problem.
>Because alicorns control everything
It wasn't always so. Unicorns said to have raised the moon and sun.

>>30857037
All they had to do was care about magic power level consistency and keep most unicorn tk equal to a human's hands.

>>30857039
Unicorns have spells to let them walk on clouds, make temporary wings, levitate themselves and even move clouds. Step up faget

>>30857039
Plus, lets not forget:
>Try to attack pegasi village
>Fall through the ground, if you can even reach it while being gravity's bitch.

Talk about unicorn supremacy all you want, but if you can't even reach your opponent, you're going to lose.

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>>30857053
>>30857049

>>30857049
That's all just baby tier stuff to not immediately get fucked by pegasi though. This isn't even getting into the fact that most wouldn't have all those spells. It would most likely fall to a few enchanters to give most of the army those enhancements, but this is a huge crutch and can be exploited.

That's the big problem with unicorns. Sure you have X pony who can do this bullshit, but most of her peers can't and vice versa. Once a specialist is out of the picture you have potentially sitting ducks half the time.

>>30857061
You mean self levitation? The skill only really harnessed by super prodigy Starlight Glimmer?

>>30857061
>>30857049
Let's be generous and say that every one out of a dozen unicorns are powerful enough to lift themselves, magically. You're still fighting a race that is made up of 100% flyers. You're vastly out numbered in every fight, vastly out maneuvered and every loss is one that you can't make up again. Sure, you can say 'oh, well, those that can cast the cloudwalking spell will just do it while keeping themselves safe,' but then you still run into the problem of 'how do you get the unicorns into the clouds without immediately being shot down by pegasi?'

>>30857069
Adding to his point that when walking on clouds the pegasi can still fly above you or kick the clouds and remove them and drop you to your death.

>>30857069
Shit man, adding onto this, what the fuck do you do when, even if you make it to the clouds, the pegasi still can just burst out from UNDER the clouds and pull you through them?

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>>30857053
>>30857064
>>30857069
>he doesn't know unicorns can control the weather too
Spike mentioned back in Season 1 how they just Wrap up Winter in Canterlot magically.

laughing_unicorn_whores.tiff

>>30857069
>>30857073

Or

>Unicorns marching in on a cloud road
>Pegasi disperse the cloud or disconnect it from their cloud fortress

Bye bye horn boys.

>unicorns clearly better than every other race.
>oh it's ok because only some of them can cast complex spells.
>other races still have to face the fact that they will never reach a tiny fraction of the potential that a unicorn can.
>trixie, a unicorn whos talent is stage magic, can learn to teleport objects, transfigurate and even create sentient beings in the span of a few hours.
>your race can control the fuckin sun and moon.
>powerful unicorns can fucking time travel and change the entire history of your planet.
They clearly just fucked up here, don't even try to defend it.

>>30857026
>How can they even defend themselves against flying cloud fortresses
By having an ability to actually create means to deal with them. Pegasi and Mud horses would be still eating grass in a pasture and shitting in the field, if not thanks to superior unicorn telekinesis magic.

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>>30857005
Ever heard the term "squishy wizard"?
They're not mudpones/pegasi but with added magic, they lack in areas the other races inherently excel at. Brains aren't everything without the endurance or versatility to back it up. I'd put money on an equally skilled unicorn mage, earth pony warlord & pegasi ninja stalemating each other.

I've been gone a few months: are you the guy who commandeered a thread with "earth ponies are worthless niggers" spiel back in May/June?

>>30857080
But they are likely just doing the earth pony's side of things though, and even then they probably don't have pegasi actively trying to fuck them over. They can try to make it summer all they want by clearing up the ground with magic but good luck stopping the snowfall.

>>30857090
Hence why Alicorms are the ruling class. They embody all 3 races' best traits to become the perfect lifeforms.

Realistically, a fight against pegasi would be one of resources rather than strength. Pegasi still need to eat, still need metal for weapons, still need to rely on the ground to survive. Living in the clouds only turns the situation into a siege at best, in which the attackers can never win. Negating the Pegasus's mobility by fortifying farms and mines will ultimately win over trying to subjugate them by force.
Focus on small, unicorn weather controlled farms, and wait for the pegasi to starve themselves out. There'd be very little actual blood.

>>30857086
>>other races still have to face the fact that they will never reach a tiny fraction of the potential that a unicorn can.
I dunno, Zecora does pretty well for herself, and she's not even a proper pony. I could see an Earth Pony alchemist doing some crazy things.

>>30857090
Nice headcanon

>>30857083
First off, your English and your word choice makes you sound like a middle schooler.
Second, if unicorns took the fight to the pegasi on the clouds and the pegasi broke the clouds under them, you could just have one of the really strong unicorns teleport then all safely to the ground.
Third, the unicorns don't really even need to fight on the clouds. They are ranged damage dealers. They can just fire beams at the pegasi from the ground and hit them. Like fish in a barrel.

>>30857069
Hell the real question is what's their offensive strategy when their on said clouds. Magic blasts or else are out of the question for most unicorns and even conventional ballistics become ineffective when your enemy can circle you 360 degrees without the ground or anything to protect you.

Levitating battle ships, however, would be a different story.

>>30857098
Or use magic to reduce the humidity in the air and keep them from being able to form clouds. Then if they want to land to rest, they have to come to the ground which would be unicorn controlled

>>30857098
It seems more likely that unicorns would be starved out first as pegasi have the means to actively fuck their crops real fast. Doesn't matter if they are using their own weather manipulation when someone just overlays their stuff over yours and it gets flooded, frozen, or the whole area just gets hit with a ridiculous "natural" disaster.

>>30857114
Or just go back in time and prevent pegasi from ever existing.

>>30857106
What's the effective range of a unicorn laser?

>>30857114
How many specialists can use a spell like this vs. how many pegasi who have an inborn ability to play this game?

>>30857116
But then what will the pegasi eat? If they fuck over the crops, they are also destroying their food source. If needed, a strong unicorn could teleport to somewhere with food, gather a bunch and teleport back with it. We saw that Starlight and Twilight can travel vast distances via teleportation. We also saw that they can create crystalline structures so they could make a green house dome out of Crystal using magic and grow food in that, protected from pegasi

>>30857120
>Go back in time

Because that didn't go wrong literally every single time that Glimmer did it. If you kill of the pegasi, you kill off yourself. Odds are you'll come back to a future where everyone is dead rather than a future where unicorns live in a utopia. It's an option that isn't feasible in a real war scenario. At absolute best, you can maybe get advice from your future self, and even then, I could see that going poorly.

>>30857080
Your point is moot because rarity had to have dashes cutie mark to pull that off.

Remember the whole 'a unicorns magical abilities are directly tied to their cutie mark' bit?

>>30857121
No idea. From the times we've seen it, it looks decently long and can easily cut clouds.
>>30857124
It only takes one strong unicorn to deplete the humidity and completely destroy their cloud fortress.
Face it, Anon. Magic is limitless. You can't fight spell-based magic against basic flying and cloud walking and expect to win. Magic would dominate.

>>30857132
It only went wrong for glimmer because she didn't believe twilight's friendship was important.
You can keep going back until you get it right anyway.

I really like this recent change in racial supremacy shitposting from 'unicorns are the master race' to 'Pegasus are the master race.'

>>30857135
There is no proof that she needed his mark to control clouds. All clouds are is water, which unicorns can control. There is no reason they couldn't control them like everything else.

>>30857090
Adding to that, wouldn't ponies have an inherent resistance to magic?

>>30857101
We've never seen an earth pony do anything impressive with alchemy, actually we've never seen zecora do anything massively impressive either, nothing compared to a unicorn.
None of the earth ponies have knowledge of alchemy anyway.

>>30857142
Pegasi are shit, senpai

If a country had the best army in the world with great warriors but decent weapons and another country had a shitty unstructured army with some warriors being tactical geniuses, some being very powerful, and most being just useless pawns but a fucking nuclear bomb in their arsenal that could be released in seconds and the explosion contained, who would win?

That's pegasi vs. unicorns

>>30857151
>None of the earth ponies have knowledge of alchemy anyway.
Not to play devil's advocate, but we've seen Applebloom do alchemy/potions multiple times.

>>30857160
Yes because zecora taught her.

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>>30857116
Friendly reminder that this here shield is the work of one, yes (1) unicorn stallion.

>>30857162
But still, you said no earth pony has shown skill in alchemy. A factually untrue statement.

>>30857168
I said nothing impressive, what could applebloom do? grow a flower?

>>30857166
That was able to keep out a whole army of changelings for quite a while. It was quite strong.

>>30857137
It only takes one strong unicorn's death to put an end to that too. You don't get the whole race against race, nation against nation thing. The "muh gifted unicorn" thing is both their greatest strength and weakness. They can't be everywhere at once and once they're out then they can't easily be replaced.

>Hehe, time travel!

Can very quickly become.

>Oh fuck, he was our only time traveler. Now what?

>>30857172
>None of the earth ponies have knowledge of alchemy anyway.
That's is what you said and it is factually wrong.

>>30857174
>It only takes one unicorns death
We have multiple unicorns that can do a spell like that and if they thought they were about to die, they could just teleport to safety. Have fun killing that

>>30857151
> actually we've never seen zecora do anything massively impressive either,
How do you define impressive? She brewed a potion that cancels all mind control before, and another that let Twilight see thousands of years into the past. I could reasonably see alchemy in MLP being pretty strong when used correctly.

>>30857181
>Unicorns teleport to safety
>Pegasi take control of the area they fled
>Keep doing this until there's nowhere left to teleport.

All you're doing is a tactical retreat, you're not winning any battles. And if you go 'oh, just the talented once teleport away,' then you're leaving the rest of the army to die to a foe they can barely fight.

>>30857181
>We have multiple

No you don't, maybe a handful, and if you did you wouldn't put them all in one spot.

>could just teleport

Oh cool, a retreat.

You could have 3 unicorns slaughter the entire pegasi race while the rest go through a short afternoon seminar to learn what they need to know to kill an entire army of pegasi on their own.
>>30857190
a retreat after killing hundreds of pegasi, i'm sure that's going to work out for the pegasi.

>>30857102
Which part? If you're going to shitpost at least provide something worth arguing.

>>30857196
>every unicorn is Twilight meme

>>30857196
>You could have 3 unicorns slaughter the entire pegasi race while the rest go through a short afternoon seminar to learn what they need to know to kill an entire army of pegasi on their own

Now you're just baiting.

>>30857190
Why do you think unicors would be so weak? All of them can just throw rocks at pegasis and that would be enough to stop their advance. Nevermind their basic telekinesis would allow them to vield weapons like spears much more effectively than any pegasi.

>>30857098
>>30857114
>>30857129
>>30857116

You guys are ignoring the fact that earth ponies would more than likey control the food supply as well as manufacturing war materials. Not only are they the most numerous out of all races they would theoretically control the most land by virtue of being numerous.

The funny thing about debates like these anons basically shit on earth pones but fail to realize both unicorns and pegasi need their supplies to survive. A simple alliance could be established by trading goods for protection and also favorable weather conditions.

>>30857204
Are you saying that the Earth Ponies would be the Jews?

>>30857200
>Trixie learns how to teleport objects, transfigurate anything into a teacup and create life in an afternoon.
Starlight was barely even pay attention to her, imagine if she went through military training, imagine if a few unicorns combined their magic.

>>30857204
>Not only are they the most numerous out of all races
Are they?

>but fail to realize both unicorns and pegasi need their supplies to survive
If you make them slaves first, you don't.

>>30857204
>implying earth ponies wouldn't be the first to enslaved

good joke

>>30857198
Earth ponies having endurance or versatility.
>>30857204
It wouldn't even last long enough for food to matter.

>>30857203
I'm acting under the assumption that pegasi mobility and flight would trump the average unicorn's magic. Sure, telekinesis is good, but ponies are still quadrupeds, and attacking from above and behind will give you an advantage any way you look at it.

>>30857209
Was it an afternoon? I thought she had been training her since they met.

>>30857203
Not him, but seriously good luck trying to hit them with rocks. It's a pain when your opponent has the full 3D range of motion. Plus, a lot of the time tk doesn't have that burst of force a regular physical throw does. It has that slow build up of momentum that doesn't look like it'd be very good if you're trying to send something upward.

>>30857224
There had been no sign of starlight teaching her anything before then.
Even then, the amount of time it took trixie to learn teleportation was shown on screen.
It was about 10 seconds.

>>30857227
Slings became a weapon for a reason. I think the real argument is how hard can a unicorn throw a rock using magic?

>people using bad writing that would invalidate Twilight's cutie mark as an argument that would apply to the whole unicorn race

This is what we've become.

>>30857227
>>30857224
When your spead is high you maneuverability is very limited. Plus any basic defensive formation where your army just holds a bunch of spears out will stop any attempt of pegasi to fight it.

>>30857145
Twilight said it, that's evidence enough. Not to mention that she was enchanted by said bookhorse so it's not too much to assume her abilities were a bit exaggerated.

Also
>His mark
Calm down with that hot opinion son

>>30857243
Magic's become very undefined for unicorns in recent seasons. I'd kill for an episode that explained it more so we could put an end to this.

It's not that unicorns SHOULD be superior, it's just that they ARE.
They could easily tag on a few abilities to the other races to make it more even.

>>30857217
Earth ponies pretty explicitly have endurance, versatility referred to pegasi.
...So it IS you! Man, where'd this hate boner even start?

>>30857243
>people are using canon to prove me wrong.
Oh no.

>>30857253
Not at all.
>where'd this hate boner even start?
i don't hate anything, i'm just acknowledging it because i think it's fucking stupid.

>>30857211
>>30857213

Then it's still a fight against unicorns and pegasi with earth pones as war assets.

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>>30857196
>>30857209
You're that one guy who committed to a mage build in Skyrim and can't admit it was a mistake, aintcha.

>>30857255
Okay then, I'll level with you. To clarify first: You're of the opinion that earth ponies have nothing especial and are effectively just unicorns without horns/pegasi without wings, right?

>>30857244
Basic defensive formations don't really work when your opponent can just fly over your formation and attack from any direction at once. Sure, you might get a couple of them, but I don't see a way to get around the fact that you're being attacked from all directions, especially when your race cannot turn quickly or attack upwards properly.

And if it did work, once the first wave hits you and the spears come down, there's more pegasi still coming and dive bombing.

>>30857255
Epic. Early canon established a different narrative, but they both can't be right.

>>30857269
Unicorns can conjure up forecefields

even sweetie belle can conjure up a basic one

>>30857284
Sweetie's cutie mark is also a shield though. And it barely stopped bugs. Granted, this could be because of her age, but I agree that it's not unbelievable to think that many unicorns could cast a shield. And then we still have the problem. If a shield is made of magic or of metal, or if you're using a spear or sword, it still needs to be facing the person attacking you. And pegasi are just not going to attack someone head on when they could easily take another three seconds and fly behind them. Or to their side. Or any other side that the shield isn't facing.

And before you say 'it's a large shield, like Shining used,' bear in mind that in this scenario, the talented unicorns have already teleported away to safety, for whatever reason. I suppose if he stayed around, they'd have a little advantage, but I'm sure the pegasi could find a way to bring it down.
At that point we just go into an argument of if the pegasi could break it and if it was realistically feasible and we fall back into the 'unicorns would win because of the percentage of them that have magical talent' argument, and not the one we're currently on.

>>30857271
Not him, but early canon established fuck all. It was all extrapolation & assumption on our part, the facts were few and the meanings vague.
It's why Winggate always seemed silly to me. It was never concretely established what exactly alicorns were or where they came from. Still hasn't been, in Tia & Luna's cases. I've seen "they're ascended unicorns" theories before the S3 finale even fucking happened.

Has Rarity ever teleported?

Question came up IRL last episode. Seems like if anywhere would have an exact timestamped reference, it's here.

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>>30857005
Because not all unicorns are well versed in magic like most high functioning autis- I mean well educated unicorns. And wendigos exist. It's the one thing pony kind is cursed with and cannot stop unless all of the pony races are united. The fact that the wendigos are back means that the curse is still strong as ever and somewhere in equestria there is racial unrest between ponies.

>>30857309
Not that guy, but early canon had Twilight explicitly explain how magic worked.
>"Most unicorns only know one or two spells related to their cutie mark...unless their cutie mark IS magic, like me."
The problem was that the later seasons then shit all over her explanation, but I still personally believe that she was correct. It was clear that ponies could learn spells, but that part was never expanded upon.

>>30857310
In Winter Wrap Up, she teleported some clothes onto Twilight, I believe, but we haven't seen her teleport a pony or anything larger than a vest.

>>30857269
You literally stay in circle holding spears out, anyone brave enough to try atacking you will be impaled the very moment this stupid idea came to their head.

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>>30857310
in Games Ponies Play she teleports onto Pinkie and Applejack with Twilight, I'm not sure if she had used her own magic, or it was Twilight's entirely. I think it's the latter

>>30857313
I don;t see how this has been contradicted. The savants are consistently the ones with hippie tattoos for Marks.

>>30857045
>that was when EVERYONE was being a dick to each other. but if they were to implement some racial superiority laws where Unicorns are required to be civil (at least to other Unicorns), then it wouldn't be a problem.
how retarded can you be? ack when they were all freezing to death the individual races were civil to their own kind but dicks to the others, this is just a repeat of that you complete mongrel

>>30857045
Unicorns don't live for 1000+ years though.

We've been over this before. No amount of magical superiority is going to make up for that fragile layer of thin ice that pony society is built on. They're not like other species who can (just barely) get by without some measure of balance and cooperation. Every time a unicorn has tried to start some shit, everybody gets fucked one way or another. Start a war? You're all fucked. Take land by force? You're all fucked. Charismatic political movement? You're all fucked. Overthrow the princesses? You're all fucked. Mind control? You're all fucked. Time travel? You're all fucked. If you're not getting it by now, basically anything that isn't perfect harmony when it comes to ponies leads to a bad end for everyone involved.

Unless your end goal is total chaos, in which case Discord fucks you up because that's his turf and he doesn't normally play well with others.

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Do you guys ever realise we're having genuine arguments about the powerlevels of horses in a children's show? Do you ever get a bit sad about that? That this is something we've come to genuinely give a shit about? Something that doesn't matter at all?

>>30857450
I used to argue about powerlevels on /co/ before ponies, so not really. I got over that feeling a long time ago. That said, it's fairly clear that the true master race is the yaks.

>>30857450
Yeah, better go back to shitposting.

>>30857471
You can discuss without having pointless arguments about race. The canon reason to OP's question is because ponies aren't built on conquering and the harmony between all three types of ponies is what keeps their society flowing, each have their own roles to help eachother.

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>>30857005
that webbum is outdated

>>30857461
>Listen to whatever tunes they want
>Eat whatever they want, hate it anyway
>Wreck whatever they want
>Sleep naked on straw
>Sleep naked in the snow
>Cause avalanches by partying too hard
>People give you sick-ass tribute
>Celestia is scared of going to war with them, with obvious reasons

Oh shit, it's true.

>>30857475
Ok, smartass, then go and make thread with a topic worth of discussion and we'll see how interesting it's going to be compared to argument about race.

>>30857049
Yeah, but those wings are so weak they'll get burned by just being in the sun for too long. I doubt you could the same level flying as a well-trained pegasus could.

>>30857475
No one is interested in that discussion.
this is a discussion of who is stronger and a few faggots denying the fact that unicorns are horrifyingly overpowered.

>>30857145
>All clouds are is water, which unicorns can control

Yes, but controlling that much water from that far away is out of most unicorn's ability.

>>30857492
> doubt you could the same level flying as a well-trained pegasus could
Good thing there're not that many of those given that not-so-well-trained Dash managed to become a part of their elite air force.

>>30857005
Maybe they've tried like there's some civil war we don't know about.

Before the two sisters, unicorns raised the sun and moon. The earth ponies make food and the pegasus ponies made the weather move. When you think about it, unicorns could have used magic to also grow food/plants and manipulate the weather. They could have made themselves independent from the other tribes.

>>30857037
I think that's because Trixie might be a prodigy. I don't think Rarity would have had the same success if she was taught transfiguration and teleportation. She'll learn it but not that quick. Like a long time.

>>30857503
>A pony that's trained her entire life to join the elite air force, broke the sound barrier when she was five, aced all the tests at the training facility and is probably the fastest pegasi in the world is considered 'not-so-well-trained.'

>>30857039
Sunburst mentioned a spell once called Somnambula's Weather Abjuration. Or something like that. Unicorns can manipulate the weather too. Rarity was also doing it when she swapped cutie marks with Rainbow Dash.

Unicorns are just far superior since they just have way more potential in their abilities.

>>30857069
A dozen? There's a magic school for a reason. I don't think it has just a dozen students.

>>30857069
What if the unicorns couldn't levitate themselves. Instead they would use their magic on the pegasus ponies to ground them. Y'know like catch them and force them to the ground.

>>30857083
Why do they need to march? Can't they just teleport in?

>>30857450
When I did I became more detatched. Conversation's fun, just not worth getting autistically invested in. Especially if it becomes clear that others in the thread are and aren't actually interested in exchanging ideas; just in shouting down dissent.
This season's sheer quality has made me more active on /mlp/ than I have in years, and today's still the first time I'm posting since the mid-season hiatus started. It took the changeling episode to get me lore-hype enough to get back on the proverbial horse and start browsing again.

>>30857530
One out a dozen, friend. Not one dozen. One in every twelve unicorns is strong enough to lift themselves, if we be generous, considering that Sunburst and Moonlight went to the same school and never became strong enough to do it.

I think that's a reasonable number. Sure, there might be other magic schools as well, but I don't think they'd teach the same subjects as Celestia's magic school.

>>30857534
That's a pretty good argument. We've seen that Twilight can effectively hold Rainbow in place, but then again >Twilight. I think this entire chain of debate relies on too little information to go anywhere. We don't know how far telekinesis can reach, whether it can be fought against or if it's strong enough for the average unicorn to accomplish. There's just too much missing information.

>>30857522
>A pony that's trained her entire life
That's just plain wrong

Everything else is irrelevent to the fact that she's not-so-well-trained and all her achievements feel more like asspulls than something she achieved through the hard work.

>>30857086
That time travel part's understated. Unicorn wizards write time travel spells they put on scrolls and place them in libraries for other unicorns to learn.

>>30857096
3? Don't you mean 2? They're just a combined unicorn and pegasus. NOTHING MORE.

>>30857543
>That's just plain wrong

???
From the first episode, Dash has been training for the Wonderbolts. We've seen her compete in competitions from a very young age. We saw posters of the Wonderbolts in her childhood bedroom. Dash has been training her whole life.

I can understand if you don't like Rainbow, but to say she's untrained and didn't work for her speed and position and that she just pulled it all out of her ass is just denial.

>>30857545
They got earth pone plot

>>30857151
Zecora's not even an earth pony. She's a zebra. I don't think that thing on her butt is a cutie mark. Maybe its a tattoo.

>>30857559
What racial bonuses do Zebra's get?

>>30857196
Why do they need to kill? Mind control is much preferable.

>>30857541
>>30857069

Why would unicors go up in clouds in the first place? Pegasi need to eat so they would have to go on the ground at one point. The fact that they can fly hardly makes them a superior army. All unicorns can do as much as hold a weapon with a levitation spell, which also allows them to use it in a more effective maner than just rashing at you with it. Defending the crops from the ground will be stupidly easy given unicorns will have time to build infrastructure.

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So wait what was /mlp/'s reaction to Rockhoof's earth-magic last week?

I wanted to make a thread at the time but the place I was staying had dodgy internet.

>>30857204
No they don't. That's what transmutation spells are for. Unicorns probably have spells that can turn rocks into food or air into metals.

>>30857566
We've moved on to this exact argument, friend. Follow the thread. The main argument is that it's impossible to grow crops while the pegasi are fucking with the weather and throwing tornadoes at you. And while using magic to hold a weapon is indeed an advantage, I just think that the ability to quickly fly over, or behind, or beside your opponent has it beat, especially considering that ponies are quadrupeds and cannot defend those positions easily.

>>30857568
>"Dude, just get strong, lol."

>>30857313
Of course unicorns can learn spells. The fact that magical libraries exist means spells created by past unicorns are archived for future unicorns to learn from.

>>30857005
They have. They're subtle about it.
Watch the Canterlot scenes carefully.

>>30857450
But... Nothing really matters.

>>30857553
In any kind of sport just training by yourself is hardly enough to become a pro. Let alone she was working a job that hardly had anything to do with being a performer, given she could finish the whole thing in 10 seconds flat, but what was she doing with the rest of her time? She was wasting it lazing around. She wasn't shown to do anything impressive or time consuming trainingwise, yet somehow she was the fastest pony at competitions despite age disadvantage, and as you said managed to pull off a rainbow boom something no one ever did while being a 5 years old!!! Ain't that retarded? What's more stupid is that despite all this increadible raw talent she kept showing she wasn't taken by any flying academy and was forgoten pretty fucking fast by everyone landing some job as a government employee, until she became an element of harmony.

>>30857561
They have +1 rhyming and +1 black accent for some reason.

>>30857608
I don't think that there is anything I can say to convince you otherwise, even if I did refute your points, so I'm not going to attempt to try. I hope you enjoy today's episode, friend.

>>30857568
Badly written. I think something was edited out of it. He just hulked out for no reason. It wasn't even a magical shovel.

>>30857582
>he main argument is that it's impossible to grow crops while the pegasi are fucking with the weather and throwing tornadoes at you
They would literally be killing themselves by doing this.

> I just think that the ability to quickly fly over, or behind, or beside your opponent has it beat
And I think ability to move things with you mind beats it every time, you don't even need to look in the direction you're hitting with your weapon. There also could be some anti pegasi system in place which would destroy any maneuverability pegasi had to begin with.

>>30857641
>They would literally be killing themselves by doing this.
Life finds a way, I guess. Realistically, in order for a war like this to even work, the Earth ponies need to be a neutral force feeding both sides, or slaves, and so the point of fortifying farms is moot anyway. Since both sides would have access to them.

>you don't even need to look in the direction you're hitting with your weapon
At that point, you're just flailing blindly; you'll never win a fight like that.

>There also could be some anti pegasi system in place which would destroy any maneuverability pegasi had to begin with.
And there could also be an anti-unicorn system in place that destroys any magic the unicorns might have, you're just being completely hypothetical to justify a win.

>>30857005

Because they used to and it resulted in the world being a shithole.

That's the entire point of Hearth's Warming and the story.

>>30857667
>And there could also be an anti-unicorn system in place that destroys any magic the unicorns might have

Yeah. They there's that thing that Chrysalis sits on. It stops all magic except changeling magic. My guess is you may need magic to make one of those, though.

>>30857681
Nah, something like that? It's natural. I don't think you could recreate it with any kind of magic. Except maybe Earth Pony magic.

>>30857667
>And there could also be an anti-unicorn system in place that destroys any magic the unicorns might have, you're just being completely hypothetical to justify a win.
Making a bunch of catapults while having a levitation skill to actually build them with is a much more plausible scenario than same deus ex machina you're proposing, so it's a very weak conter argument agains its possible existance. Plus it's just common sense that if your enemy's strongest side is ability to attack from the air, you need some sort of system in place to fight with them.

>Earth ponies need to be a neutral force feeding both sides, or slaves, and so the point of fortifying farms is moot anyway. Since both sides would have access to them.
I reallly doubt that pegasi would have nearly as much acces to them giving that most of the time they would live in skies going down once in a while to replenish their reserves. I really doubt that earth ponies would be an actual even neutral side in a conflict, they're too vulnerable for an atack from bothe pegasi and unicorns. But given the fact that unicorns live on the ground I think it would be much easier for them to seize and control most of the resources.

>>30857719
>Plus it's just common sense that if your enemy's strongest side is ability to attack from the air, you need some sort of system in place to fight with them.

You could use the same argument to justify why the pegasi would have sort of system to negate unicorn magic. After all, it's common sense. If anything, a trinket to stop magic is more plausible than attempting to stop a pegasi from stabbing you with a catapult. A Hwacha is more realistic than that, and even then, you're thinking of stopping a pegasi before they get into a fight. In a one on one fight, flight is more useful than telekinesis. There's no real device you can use to balance a pegasi's flight without straight up taking it away with a dues ex machina.

> But given the fact that unicorns live on the ground I think it would be much easier for them to seize and control most of the resources.

And I think, given the fact that pegasi can fly over any obstacle on the ground, as well as move their castles, it would be easier for them to seize most resources, at least. Control is a grey area. Sure, there might a unicorn that can teleport really far, but at most, there's what, a handful of them?

>>30857561
+10 to Fertility

>>30857026
>>30857005
Historically, why haven't earth ponies subjugated and enslaved all the other pony tribes? Everyone thinks their powers are minute, or nothing, but all of those years of working with out wings or magic has made them more cunning and stronger. So, they take all the rest of the pony tribes by surprise and control them with there keen sense and mind, and their brute force

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>>30857005
In all of Equestria there is only one military unit whose elite training requires its members to be of a specific type of pony.

I'll give you a hint: they aren't unicorns.

>>30857758
>a trinket to stop magic is more plausible than attempting to stop a pegasi from stabbing you with a catapult
How? For the whole story of the show there has been only one stone that stopped magic and it's in hands of changelings and even if it wasn't how would pegasi even know about it's existance in the first place? The idea of throwing shit in the air to hit an enemy is simple in itself as well as fairly simple to impliment in a farm of a weapon. You don't even need a catapult of hwacha, a
slingshot or a sling would be more than enough.

>In a one on one fight, flight is more useful than telekinesis.
It's fucking irrelevent since they wouldn't even be able to get to the fight. Plus I doubt the fighting would be goin one on one, it would be fucking stupid thing to do by unicorns. if they were to gather in small groups they could defend themselves fairly easily staying back to back.

>And I think, given the fact that pegasi can fly over any obstacle on the ground, as well as move their castles, it would be easier for them to seize most resources, at least.
That's a good point but would they be able to defend effectively? They would need to build some defensive structures around the places they control as well as divide their manpower between them. I would think it would be something they're not so used to doing compared to unicorns who lived their whole lives on the ground doing that. But then again if they do manage to do so, I have difficult time imagining how unicorns would seige them.

Hey wait aren't unicorns already the highest ruling class under the princesses? In order to gain more power they'd have to overthrow the princesses themselves.

>>30857264
mage is pretty fun desu

>>30857910
> You don't even need a catapult of hwacha, a
slingshot or a sling would be more than enough.
Well now you're just moving the goalpost. A slingshot is not 'an anti pegasi system in place which would destroy any maneuverability pegasi had.' It's a weapon, no different a sword or spear. I'm not arguing that ponies are going to be fighting unarmed, but just that the idea that there's some sort of system to remove a Pegasus's flight is as ridiculous as a system to remove a unicorn's magic, especially in the context of a one on one fight that we were talking about.

>It's fucking irrelevent since they wouldn't even be able to get to the fight.
>The race that can fly will not be able to get to the fight.
Just try and fucking stop them. This is like saying 'oh, why do we need to train our soldiers to fight, our artillery will kill all the enemies.' Fighting WILL happen, and in a one on one, pegasi will have the advantage.

>if they were to gather in small groups they could defend themselves fairly easily staying back to back.
Back to back doesn't help defend you from an attack from above. In a defensive position, it goes without saying that the defender will have an advantage, this is true for all races. But in general, pegasi are better at fighting, in groups and alone, than unicorns or Earth Ponies. The ability to fly out of reach, to attack from above or from odd angles and the increased mobility afforded from flight just make them naturally better fighters. Yes, we could talk all day about 'oh, but if the unicorns follow these tactics and have this equipment and know these spells, then that would stop the pegasi,' and then I could 'oh, but if the pegasi used this tactic, and had this equipment, they could beat that,' but on average, the pegasi are better at waging war and fighting battles.

>>30857940
Well, they had to do something after Celestia took over their duties and they became obsolete.
Joking, of course.

>>30858009
> especially in the context of a one on one fight that we were talking about.
Lmao, no we weren't. We were talking about who would win a war between Pegasi and unicorns.

>Well now you're just moving the goalpost.
I don't. I still fullheartedly believe it's posible for unicorns to built catapults and hwachas in an amount enough to stop any air assault, any attack that can get a pegasi in the air is a part of the 'anti pegasi' system, so slingshots and slings are fair game.

> Fighting WILL happen, and in a one on one, pegasi will have the advantage.
Yeah, but when you lost half of your army in a charge, one on one situation is sudenly becomes two on one situation.

>Back to back doesn't help defend you from an attack from above.
How does it not? Just look up, nigga. Or does levitating your weapon over your head isn't an option anymore?