Yo guys. Got the thing. Gonna share a few potato quality images

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Early concept art of Songbird Serenade.

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Original concept for Tempest Shadow, which was radically different from what we actually got.

>>30804233
>that awkward moment when the concept designs are insanely better than the final version

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For those of you who recall the Sony email hack, this is Cosmos, the antagonist from the original script. They put his concept art alongside Tempest's for some reason.

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>>30804243
Cosmos battle armor.

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Detailed concept art for the Storm King.

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A small glimpse of the Storm King's castle, and information about a different way the film would've started.

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The Storm King riding into battle.

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For those of you keeping up with the prequel comics, you'll recognize this guy.

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A little thing about Tempest from near the end.

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And last one I'll leave you with: a revelation about the Storm King's weapon.

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>All this good art
>Wasted

>>30804250
>That armour

DAMN

>>30804315

Sorry but we want the zootopia audence

>>30804359
since 2013 with equestria girls

>>30804265
well, at least they remember scorpan exists

>>30804220
Where did you find it early Anon?

>>30804378
Barnes & Noble. They had two copies on the shelf. I told the guy at the register "lol you guys beat Amazon" and he was ecstatic.

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>>30804265
>Scrapped lore

>>30804390
Did you happen to see the Pinkie Journal, novel book, or Caper picture book there?
I'd be really happy to find it early and post all of it this weekend instead of on Tuesday. I'm going to check tomorrow after new pony I think.

>>30804394
None of those, I'm afraid. I double checked on their computer, just to be sure. None in stock.

>>30804243
now thats an edgy pony

>>30804399
Thanks for the tip to check there. Anything I can do early is welcome.

>>30804392
Dude, movie art books are filled with all kinds of scrapped lore. Scrapping lore is essentially unavoidable when you're making a film like this. There's only so much you can do in 90-120 minutes.

>>30804233
Punished Shadow looks pretty sweet

The storytime of this book will generate a lot of butthurt because all the change. Especial with page like this >>30804265

>>30804233
>elderly Scorpan

I WANT THIS

WHAT THE FUCK THAT WOULDA BEEN AWESOME

>>30804243
>literally Tracy's colour scheme
Oh god please put him back in the movie.

>>30804233
>Capable and independent solo-traveler, instead of just edgelord supremus
>>30804256
Pic on the left is giving me some Grievous vibes from the 2003 clone wars.
>>30804265
>They abandoned a meaningful and world-building backstory that would have tied it in to the rest of the world for having a generic pop-artist song at the beginning
>>30804273
>Literally armies, instead of a handful of measly airships

What the actual fuck. Why was any of this dropped? This shit is awesome, the kind of thing that could've driven me to maximum hype for the movie instead of the mild apathy I find myself drifting in regarding it now

>all those cool design

Rebecca Dart is literally /ourgirl/

>>30804359
Your movie is going to be a box office flop, Vogel!

>>30804288
>its from the tree of harmony

HERE'S STARLIGHT'S EOH RIGHT HERE. CALLING IT NOW.

>>30804525

Yeah, this book is actually decreasing my hype for the movie. They literally removed all the cool shit

>>30804250
Can you post a pic of the paragraph on cosmos?

>>30804532
God damn it, you're probably right.

>>30804532
Gas all Glimmerfags

>>30804536
There wasn't one.

>>30804532
>>30804537
you guys should stop letting glimmer live in your head rent-free

>>30804228
I like it, would waifu tenderly.

>>30804542
But I saw lines of text next to the battle armor images that start with the words "Cosmos... name... was... brother..." what is that?

>>30804556
Ah, you're right. Forgot about that. I'll type it out.
>"Cosmos" was a placeholder name for Tempest. Early on she was a "he" and Celestia's brother. As Cosmos evolved into Tempest the armor and look evolved too. At first you didn't know Cosmos was a pony. It was a reveal later, so the armor was meant to obscure the Pony form.
- Rebecca Dart, art director

>>30804565
>Celestia's brother
interesting...
>Early on she was a "he"
incoming transfags

>>30804565
>literally a trans horse
oh fug

>>30804565
Much appreciated. Would you say the book has lots of spoilers, or does it mostly talk about concepts during the development?

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>>30804565
So ""she"" lost more than one horn

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>>30804571
>>30804572
She and Trixie have something in common.

>>30804574
There ARE a handful of spoilers on character backstories and lore, lots of concepts that were thrown out, but ultimately it doesn't spoil the climax.

>>30804579
>>30804580
God damn it, it's too early to start this. I wanted us to get to know Tempest more before we attach a silly headcanon to her.

>>30804585
The backstory book about her came out last month, Anon. On that note, the art book doesn't spoil that, just mentions that it'll be told, as seen here >>30804281

>>30804589
Fair enough. I'm just slow then.

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>releasing the book THIS early
Is Hasbro legitimately retarded? I know that it's for the money but still. Although props for the OP.

>>30804589
Does it talk about the hippogriffs?

>>30804550
hey, anything involving the tree of harmony having "new" parts of it show up is cause for alarm.

>>30804525
It would be busy and cost alot of money to do a full on army invasion.
On the other hand, if you cut down the army to a gang of villains instead of an army, its easier to show onscreen, and more believable to be defeatable by your rag tag group of heroes.

>>30804243
You know, a villain that magically fuses the body parts of magical creatures to themselves would make for a cool villain.


have a pony obsessed with artifically becoming an alicorn as a villain who tries to defeat the mane six and steal the best parts of the best ponies of equestria-- the wings of rainbow dash, the horn of twilight sparkle, the... I don't know, legs of Applejack

>>30804525
>handful of measly airships
There were a lot more than a handful in the prologue comic.

Damn, another animated movie Lunchboxed.

>>30804594
It doesn't spoil anything that trailers wouldn't anyway. Maybe that the staff came from the Tree of Harmony, but that seems to be of only limited relevance

>>30804220
can you post capper and Spike?

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>>30804600
>have a pony obsessed with artifically becoming an alicorn as a villain
You mean like these three?

>>30804614
Sure, gimme a minute.

Probably the only thing that's truly a big spoiler here is the Tree of harmony bit. That's freaking big big.

>>30804618
Yes, except not shitty and actually threatening.

>>30804619
It makes sense though. The leaked audio clip from SDCC implied Tempest was the one who gave it to Storm King, and he was mad it wasn't working. Tempest then says it will channel alicorn magic once she captures them.

The staff is the Equestrian magic she promised to give him in exchange for fixing her horn.

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>>30804614
Spike's page.

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>>30804614
Capper's page.

>>30804600
> On the other hand, if you cut down the army to a gang of villains instead of an army, ... and more believable to be defeatable by your rag tag group of heroes.

Well, then maybe you shouldn't hype up your villain's "army" as able to take on a world superpower if he doesn't have the forces to actually control it? If you want a small gang of villains, have them doing small gang things. Don't try and push them into roles to big for them to fill.

>>30804606
Yeah. even in the comic there were only... what, one or two dozen? Against the forces of a nation the size of a continent?

Besides, saying "oh the comics change it" is a lazy way out - if the movie only shows a few, then the issues still remain in the context of the movie.

>>30804626
>>30804629
thanks

>>30804629
So while you're at it can you post Captain Celeano and Queen Novo?

>>30804626
RIP Spike's parents

>>30804632
>on a world superpower

Equestria is only a world power diplomatically, its military sucks ass; without the deus ex machinas protecting it (which they put back inside the tree of harmony) its completely unable to defend itself from invasion (see the changelings fucking everyone up before they even know what's going on BOTH times).


It'd be like if you removed the US's Military and only left its economy standing.

>>30804629
So the entire prequel comic was bullshit, then.

>>30804651
>you guys want this one to flop

very few people want it to fail, its just a meme to shit talk about. Even the people shitposting about it failing don't truly want it to fail.

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>>30804629
WHY DID THEY PUT FUCKING FURRIES IN IT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>30804673
Nope. Case in point:>>30804650

>>30804619
I hope that they kept the Scorpan connection later in the film even if they changed the prologue scene.

Think about it: Scorpan was friends with Starswirl. He could have given him a piece of the Tree of Harmony as a gift for warning Equestria about Tirek.

>>30804671
>G1

>>30804629
I really like those poses at the bottom. Face #23 is nice too.

>>30804691
I'm betting that the book is wrong; these books are often put together by people who are just reading cliff notes after all.

The "ex noble" thing is probably something he tells the mane six to lure them in so he can sell them (a sob story basically), and the people making this book were just looking at cliff notes mentioning what he tells the mane six.

>>30804691
Or: he could be lying to the mane 6 about his backstory to gain their sympathy, and has been an orphan this whole time.

>>30804671
>tfw have never been mad about Capper
Maybe if he was even more anthro with pants and boots I might have been, but as he is I don't see what there is to get so butt-devastated about

>>30804677
Either Capper is an orphan growing up on the streets with Chummer (Prequel comics) or he was once an aristocrat living the high life before getting in debt to Storm King (art book). You can't have both, one of those stories is bullshit.

so that thing about the staff would explain the "ITS THE MAGIC OF FRIENDSHIP!" thing from the trailer.

Wonder if we'll get a cool magical battle at the end on par with the Tirek fight from S4?

>>30804723
So the book, describing the character and his backstory, lies about his backstory? Almost like the backstory in the book is bullshit, you might say?

>>30804265

They probably change scorpan to add queen novo because the celeb VA. Literally change the staff for the pearl

>>30804716
I remember people were pissed about those dragon designs when Dragon Quest first aired, but haven't seen much complaining since

>>30804730
The book is early concepts you dingus. His backstory evolved during production. The one in the comic is accurate.

>>30804239
As always

>>30804220
How many pages has Spike on it?

>>30804733
its kind of weird about him wanting the pearl now though; unless its from the tree of harmony too, its power should be MASSIVELY weaker than anything that staff can already do.

The prolonge with Storm king and Tempest taking the staff away from Scorpan might be a deleted scene for the bonus features on the DVD \blueray.

>>30804762
Sorm King doesn't want the pearl. Celestia sends the ponies to go get the pearl to stop him. But he goes straight for the alicorns.

Note that the chapter book is bullshit. In that book he already has the staff before meeting tempest (like the early draft of the movie), but in the movie Tempest is the one who gave it to him.

We can assume the prequel comic is more accurate, which means Tempest never went to the Hippogriffs.

>>30804762

Maybe the staff power can be combined with
different magic artifact and gain differents effects.

Both in the books and comic storm king is really interested in those artifacts

>>30804730
Well the early backstory blurbs about Queen Novo and Princess Skystar didn't mention them secretly being hippogriffs.

>>30804741
Why would the backstory be an early concept? I assumed that the character descriptions were supposed to be accurate, to get you familiar with the character (like with Spike's page), with earlier concepts being explicitly mentioned as that, like with the Klugetown characters, Storm King's backstory, the idea behind his staff, Tempest, and basically every other page that's been posted.
I guess this could be like a chapter of "early character concepts" but something tells me that's not the case. It wouldn't be the first case of contradiction with the comics, like with the Tempest book.

>>30804794
Understandable, that would have been a spoiler for a movie you're hyping. This book is aimed more at the people who want to know more about the history of the movie.

>>30804784
>but in the movie Tempest is the one who gave it to him.

Where are you getting that? that was the ORIGINAL plot of tempest helping him steal it from scorpan, but that's no longer true in the current script.

So he still had the staff before meeting tempest and sent her to steal the pearl.

>>30804818
Because in the recording of the SDCC panel, Storm King is angry at Tempest for giving him a "useless stick, a twig. Bleh!". She corrects him by saying it's the "Staff of Sacanas" and that once charged with alicorn magic it will give him ultimate control.

>>30804716
>Ember is literally as anthro as possible yet nobody complains about her. In
Um, no sweetie. Capper is literally just the same tier as Tom from Tom & Jerry.

>>30804288
Its possible he might have two staff's-- a magical staff he used before that had magic, and then tempest gives him the new one taken from the tree of harmony so he can steal alicorn magic.
The image has two staffs, a red and blue one here.

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>>30804750
I didn't count. But he's there plenty.

>>30804952
Seadragon Spike is surprisingly adorbs

Are there any more concepts of Capper? Or is that his only page?

>>30804952

>they go for the comedy relief design

Being Spike is suffering

Here's two more pages.
This one is the behind the scenes for Capper's design. If you thought he was furrybait NOW, wait until you see this.

Last one, which pretty much highlights the entire film design's philosophy: push the concept as far as possible, then reel it back.

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>>30805013
Don't know how that image came out upside down. Thanks, phone.

>>30805013
>>30805019
>posting from australia

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>>30805019
>townsfolk murder dragons to harvest their organs
>image

Goddamnit, now I want a GOH series with shit like this; And I guess spike has a heart made of crystal? I wonder if the crystal heart originates from a dragon then?

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>>30805019
Fixed this one too.

>>30805027
>Yeah let's just slap some zootopia shit in there. Make him like the fox guy, he's popular right? Wait we could get sued, yeah just turn him into a cat instead, that's cool.

>>30805032
Metal. As. Fuck. I love it.

>>30805030
>I wonder if the crystal heart originates from a dragon then?

Sort of... it was mined from a mountain that "belonged" to a dragon. So the dragon considered it his property and took it back. Celestia went ballistic on him. (Journal of the Two Sisters).

>>30805042
What if that heart belonged to a dragon close to that one, and he was holding it as a personal keepsake?

>>30805036
This movie has been in development for four years before Zootopia even came out you retard.

>>30804281
qtpa2t

>>30805048
IIRC the book said he was just being a greedy dick.

But maybe it did come from a dragon who also lived there and he wanted it just because greed and not any special reason.

>>30805052
Zootopia was announced in 2013, and came out in 2016.
MLP was announced in 2015, and will be out in 2017.

>>30805032
Would little kids really get freaked out by a dragon skeleton?

>>30805042
Yes I know he said it belonged to him, but maybe it was "his" in the sense that ponies essentially got it out of a Dragon graveyard?


It would suddenly be a cool plot if a villain kidnapped spike to harvest his heart for use as a magical artifact and the mane six had to try and save him.

>>30805067
The first draft of the MLP movie was emailed to Sony executives in 2013.

>>30805067
lmao retard

>>30805068
No, They wouldn't. Hasbro is one of those companies still stuck in the 80's/90's mindset that children get mentally scarred by anything scary or violent looking, It's a shame really..

>>30805032
It was this page that made me realize just how much effort is being put into a movie for fucking My Little Pony.

>>30805075
Sony emails was 2014 actually. But they had already been developing the film for a while before that. Still, important thing is this was long before any Zootopia announcements.

>>30805068
>>30805081
>Finding a dragon's skeleton curled around a mountain is too dark for kids; they'll be scared!
>Seeing the Arimaspi fall to its death and finding its bones later on is A-Okay, though!

>>30804629
Well....at least I like the character premise. Reminiscence of Sly Cooper here.

>>30805092
Jokes aside, the art style is a bit high fantasy/realistic looking here in the art. The way everything (and the races) are drawn looks like it came out of a D&D book.

Alot different than the finished product.

>People actually think that "city built around skeleton of a dragon killed to take its heart" isn't something too dark for a PG movie

The point of the design of pretty much everything in the movie was to be as edgy as possible and then dial it back, like they said.

>>30804651
I don't want a Scorpan introduced via the movie. I want him introduced via the show canon first and foremost like Discord and Tirek, before introducing him into any spin offs or movies.

>>30805099
From the notes, it seems like they were tasked to design really cool shit first, and then reimagine it in the MLP universe, like in here >>30804256

>>30804532
From what we've seen she's barely in the movie.

>>30805070
Do you know how to read, or do you just look at the pretty pictures?

>>30805109
I kind of wish they'd, one time, try and keep the original cool design thing they started with and see how it turned out.

>>30805113
Seems like Starlight and Trixie cameo in Canterlot was a late addition to the movie in order to keep it canon to the current season. You can tell because the shot's shading is off compared to the rest of the trailer.

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>>30804694

> Right now, Derpibooru's usual contrarians are defending the changes and dismissing the wasted potential.

Why I'm not surprised?

>>30805120
The people in the suits always go for the safe bet "Normie" designs to try and get the most audience.

>>30805091
The backstory likely isn't fake, but part of an early draft that was subject to late change. It happens, even with pre-release material painting a different picture.

For instance, the villain of "Kung Fu Panda 2" was originally going to be neglected by his parents for being frail and sickly as a result of his albinism. In the final product, he was so driven by power that he failed to see he was doing anything wrong, and thus felt wronged when his parents cast him out.

Or look at "The Hobbit" trilogy. Azog was just going to be what ended up being one of the background orcs, and Bolg was an actor in prosthetics, and that was part of the art book. The CGI model used in the movie was a last-minute addition (though frankly, it's a miracle the model ended up looking as good as it does).

The funny thing is, I think that design for kludgetown could have worked all by itself as a Plot; have a villain mining the powerful crystal heart of a dragon to power a doomsday weapon, and the mane six have to attack his base of operations, learn about dragon lore, and stop him.
Spike also gets to man the fuck up and save the day due to it being his species and all, and maybe learn about his parents origins.

>>30805130
The same applies to most of the characters in the Canterlot scenes. Good thing they were cleaned up, looking at the German trailer.

>>30804952
>Not using the first design

THANKS MEGHAN!

I WAITED THREE FUCKING YEARS FOR THIS?

I will be really angry in the storytime.

That whole book is a mine of wasted potential lore for the movie.

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>>30805027
>that bottom right Capper
Could it be...?!

>>30805160
Spike exists soley to be the show's buttmonkey and get shat on for the amusement of little girls.

hell, his assistant role has been stolen by Glimmer, leaving him with very little productive things to contribute as well.

get used to it; Corporate suits think that every girls show needs a boy who's sole purpose is to be a screw up so girls can laugh at boys and feel better about themselves (look at the MLP notebook and backpack merch with "NO BOYS ALLOWED" logos on them for example)

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>>30805032

Holy SHIT

>>30805179
If you look at it through a severely negative light, perhaps. BUT, the flip side of that coin is, that is still potential lore that can be introduced via the show, which I think is preferable as that is the main life blood of the series.

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I am ready for the show to shit hard on mudponies. I hope Tempest Shadow makes fun of them.

>>30805032
>Skeletons
ok not that spooky.

>Dragon Impelled on a mountain suggested.
Ok a bit dark.

>Dragon Skeleton impelled on a mountain with the townfolk harvesting its "crystal" heart.
Brutal.

>>30805194
It won't though. It will be shit like Pinkie Pie being afraid RD doesn't like pie. The show could talk about how dragons have crystal hearts, or show Celestias brother.

But they won't. Barring some GoH series, they won't.

>>30805194
That's pretty much what Star Wars does. Anything that doesn't get used in the movies tends to get recycled for the shows. You'd be shocked at the number of things Rebels introduced that were basically recycled from The Force Awakens concept art.

>>30805194

>that is still potential lore that can be introduced via the show
>S8 will have josh haber in the main staff again

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>30805194
> I am an autistic Hasdrone who enjoys his shit slurpee

Ok, you know what? Go fuck yourself with an electric probe.

>>30805194

Keep dreaming

>>30805206
>>30805208
>>30805210
>>30805211
>>30805215
>all these (you)'s
Wow, guess I really pinched a nerve.

> Spike could have been a way better character
> Scorpan lore
> Dragon corpse, Spike could have been a badass there

"S-stop complaining and e-enjoy what you got, h-haters!"

>>30805194
>all of this good shit got scrapped from the movie but hey there's still season eight!
I admire your blind optimism, anon.

If they were ever going to use these things they would not be in the art book.

>>30805223
Yeah, so enjoy this attention since you don't get any of it in real life, Austardio. :)

oh look the doompaulers are here

>>30805223
If it helps, I'm not sure how they'd be able to squeeze every concept of the books into the movie. I think I'm with >>30805208 on that.

>>30805226
I know you guys are skeptical of S8 (And I'm skeptical too if haber's coming back), but they DID do that presentation with "LORE" as a giant bullet point, so maybe we'll get get something about this stuff in the future.


Like, this would be a cool backstory for spike's parents, if they were poached for their crystal hearts and its up to him to stop it from happening again.

>>30805242
I would agree. Squeezing all sorts of actually good stuff in a movie would have to either extend the movie, or cut it out, and in this case they decided to opt for the latter option, because lets face it, the only other option would have been introducing all that other cool stuff in a half ass way due to time constraints.

It is what it is, even if some or many disagree with the decision.

>>30805276
Storytime will be full of sadness and anger at what could have been, but I'm going to be more interested in just seeing what kind of crazy ideas were brainstormed even if they were cut.

I agree that I'd rather have cut content than cool stuff with potential coming out in the movie half baked.

>>30804671
>What are Diamond Dogs

>>30805290

The ugly fat faceless man of MLP.

Not furrybait like capper or >>30805027

>>30804952

The shill is fucking real

https://derpibooru.org/1519823

They're literally defending fish spike

>>30805290
The usual response is that they don't count because they're not sexy. A better example would be Iron Will.

>>30805272
The problem is, they can hype "LORE" as a bullet point all they want, but if there's no unifying drive to carry it forward you know what happens? It either turns out to be completely nonexistent in the final product whatsoever (remember "explore Equestria"?) or is botched up by people who just want to impose their personal ideas without care.

And oh, guess what one of the biggest problems the staff talks about is? Lack of a leading, unifying vision.

>>30804952
Dog Spike > Pufferfish Spike
Tbqhfams

>>30805186

>>30805239
derpibooru is fucking cancer.

>>30805295
>>30805309
The point is still valid.

>>30805304
>people are flipping their shit THIS hard about the Spike design change
Holy shit, do ANY of you go outside?

>>30805323
Why would they put this shit in an art book if it would be used in the future?

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>capper isn't a scorpion bug monster anymore

I feel gypped.

>>30805208
>Rebels
Yeah, they take movie material, run it through a blender with a pile of vomit, half-bake it in an oven at three hundred and shitty degrees, add a sprinkling of mary sues on top, and voila.

Seriously, people on this board think Glimmer is a sue? They haven't seen shit yet; wait till they meet the Ghost's crew.

>>30805323
true and valid point. Like every product, future improvements or continuance depend on sales and reception the first time around.

>>30805027
Holy shit that E version of the Fox Capper is god tier

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>>30805151
> positive spike character development

I feel so sorry for people who expected anything of him, ever.

>>30805239
> Joshua

He is a literal autistic person, you know. Has a bit of mental retardation and is also a Methodist as well.

>>30805352
They revealed an idea. They wouldn't use it after the fact.

>>30805241
Yeah, it's as if the shills and shiteaters kept attracting them.

>All this bitching about "what could have been"
>BEFORE the movie is even available to compare

Extreme autism.

>>30805272
>but they DID do that presentation with "LORE" as a giant bullet point, so maybe we'll get get something about this stuff in the future.

S06 also had that epic trailer that went nowhere, so I have iron-clad reasons to feel pessimistic while I have exactly ZERO reasons to feel optimistic.
Shit writers, shit directors, shit staff, shit everything. No reasons to feel any hope, especially when "maybe next season" is a thing I've been hearing since season 4 and I yet haven't see it deliver anyting.

>>30805334
I think he look cute in his pufferfish form.His first form look OK but he kind of bubbly.

So it has to be reason.

>>30805384
I wouldn't expect any different from /mlp/. The prerelease sperging is a tradition here at this point.

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>>30805304
>Spikefags buttblasted again
When will you idiots learn?

>>30805388
S7 looks to almost be made up of two different seasonal themes though: This second half of the season looks to be revolving around the "legends of magic" theme, while the first half looked to be about glimmer.
So we're still looking to get a good amount of epic magic lore coming up as groundwork for the finale.

>>30805357
Gotta sell those giant spike action figures somehow!

>>30805304
>https://derpibooru.org/1519823
Joshua, Lhhh and Beau Skunky are all on the the same autism spectrum and defective genes wagon. In fact, the ONLY thing they do is bitch at everyone else and play contrarian to everything because their respective autism makes them completely unable to understand why someone else would dislike what they like.

They are also VERY noisy Jay Fosgitt whiteknights because they cannot accept that FiM could NOT be universally loved by everyone.

Just saying...

>>30805398
Really? Where?

>>30805410
I don't think it's even a phenomenon limited to /mlp/. Same shit goes on over at /tv/. Perhaps it's to soften the blow, following the line of logic that "if it's shit, I'll be validated but if it turns out good I'll be pleasantly surprised".

>>30805397
Make me wonder did people complain about goofy becoming a turtle while Sora and Donald become mermains.

>>30805323
>You know what's funny?
Your non-existent sex life?

>>30804690
Headcanon lock acquired and accepted.

>>30805334
>Holy shit, do ANY of you go outside?
Says the one who's not only posting on 4chan on Friday but also shilling a crappy product and acting as if he were PROUD of that.

Atta boy, you surely showed everyone!

Is there any mention of Celaeno, the seaponies/hippogriffs?

>>30804626
>under order from Celstia, Spike goes with Twilight to Ponyville
This kind of irrefutably debunks the idea of Twilight raising Spike and him growing up in Celestia's castle like Lauren originally envisioned.
If he had been raised by Twilight, he wouldn't need to be oprdered by Celestia to go with his adopted mom.

>>30805409
I don't think we have been watching the same series.

Honestly, I don't see how any human being sound of mind can watch this season and feel happy about it, much less feel hopefully about the rest. Every time I see somebody saying positive things, I can't help but think they are either shills, or mental retards, or just trolls praising the series to piss off everyone.

The staff is entirely made out of hacks who will never land another job like the one they got on FiM and yet they keep shitting everywhere as if the series were eternal and they never would need to work for a different series, where nobody will praise them as now, or nobody would put up with their crap as now.

>>30805457
How did you feel about A Perfect Pear?

>>30804777
Trips confirm. Especially since they said it was storyboarded.

>>30805457
Or you're just a massive autist who is incapable of understanding how other people can enjoy things you don't, a la this post here >>30805411

Are there actual, serious gripes and concerns about the series? Yes. Are they so bad that you have to shout incessantly that you think the entire thing is a steaming pile of shit (while ironically at the same time continuing to indulge in the product) with no reconcilable or redeeming features? No.

You're just a massive autist, even by this boards standards and basically you just suck eggs.

>>30805457

I'm not HOPEFUL, but I at least try and think about the possible ways things could go right; Like, look at Rainbow rocks: it was the absolute WORST concept on paper they could have come up with, and I fully 100% expected it to be shit in a bag. But it turned out to actually be an enjoyable movie with some new good characters (the sirens) who I wouldn't mind seeing again in pony.


I'm not saying things ARE going to turn out well; I know its a low chance. But they COULD. And if they don't turn out good, so fucking what? that means I give up on the show, leave the fandom, and don't give hasbro my money, I save some cash that way, win-win.

>>30805465
Too little, too late. That's how I feel about it.

Thanks for proving my point, by the way: rather than accepting that somebody dislikes whay you seel to love to death, you instead tried to fish a praise from me.

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OP back again.
Kinda sad to see so much bitterness. Honestly, I thought the book was a great read and hoped you'd like some of the parts I thought were interesting. From all the notes in the book, it feels like they really knew what they were doing when they made so many changes. I'm pretty confident that the movie itself will be great, but if you're put off by anything I've shared, I'm sorry.

Also, one thing I didn't mention before but need to say now: the book's pages smell really fucking good. Like, holy fuck my dudes. I don't know if that's the case with all art books or what.

>>30805457
I think people just lowered their standards a lot. What used to be a phenomenal show considering it was a children's cartoon slowly degraded into a regular one. You enjoy it for what it is and don't think about it too much. Ignore the flaws and be glad your favorite characters are back for another 20 minutes.
The people who couldn't do that either left or turned bitter.

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>>30804243
>As she has lost body parts, she has magically infused parts of other creatures to herself

>>30805472
> If you don't like everythinh you have autism

It's as if EVERY person who defends current FiM were a rabid psychopath full of hatred and completly blind to his own hipocricy.

>>30805491
If you're surprised by bitterness on 4chan you should know better.
I liked most of the book, I'm glad to have seen many of the concepts they came up with thrown away as they simply don't fit the MLP universe.
The art was great, and the book was enjoyable. Thanks for posting, and my only complaint is that you don't have an actual scanner.

>>30805491
Oh no, its not so much that we're bitter as much as this looks so freaking GOOD that the fact that we just really, REALLY wish we could get a product made of it.

Like, Here's to hoping the movie makes 300+ million and we get a sequel with this stuff in it. Or a guardians of harmony series that can be metal as fuck.


thanks again for posting this OP.

>>30805501
Not what I said or even implied. Try again.

>>30805489
> Faggot likes Equestria Girls

You are not worth considering a human being anymore.
Anything you say from this point on is completly worthless and full of malicious, shilling intentions.

>>30805329
this

>>30805490
Nah, just curious where the opinions of Anons really heavily against the show lie. That's the highest rated episode I've seen according to the post episode strawpoll, so I wanted to see how strong the contrast was in your view.
I'm not trying to fish as much as understand. I doubt anyone is going to shake you from your point of view.

>>30805491
Bitterness is par for the course. Every storytime I do has at least one or two Anons hating the content in it to death, so it's nothing new. I'm happy to see it available and discussed either way.

>>30805491

Got any pics of the Captain Celaeno concept art? Would really like to see that, pretty please.

>>30805491
Wow, there's a lot of art of dragonfish Spike. Wonder if it ends up in after all. What was the original dragonfish Spike thing shown on?

>>30805503
Guardians of Harmony series is my hope.

>>30805517
This, I'm curious about what the original concepts for the bird pirates were.

>>30805489
>I'm not HOPEFUL, but I at least try and think about the possible ways things could go right

Can you give me one example of something worth feeling positive about, but without using words like "Maybe", "Perhaps", "Probably" and so?

You want me to have a change of mind right now, so it's fair from me to ask you a valid reason right now and not "maybe later", that's my biggest grip when somebody tries to say positive things.

The show and the entire staff behind of it already gave me a pile of valid reasons to feel negative. I'm willing to change and feel positive, but for that first i need a bigger pile of positive things to cancel the bad ones.

>>30805491
>Kinda sad to see so much bitterness.

What else were you expecting after showing us all the cool stuff we will NEVER get, anon?

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>>30805517
Well since you said please.

>>30805522
That first dragonfish Spike picture was shown on a page showing all of the mane 6 as seaponies. Spike's concept was at the bottom.

>>30805541
Possible that its still in Movie?

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>>30805496
>Ignore the flaws and be glad your favorite characters are back for another 20 minutes.

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>>30805541
Bonus: here's an earlier draft for Celaeno, when she had a different name.

>>30805544
I don't work for Hasbro, I don't know.

>>30805541
Queen Novo and sea ponies please?

>>30805541

Thanks, fella. She's damned pretty.

>>30805528
Legends of magic plotline, with Starswirl info imminent (him being one of the Six figures that worked as a team in the past)

No Starlight glimmer for the finale, and a guaranteed Mane six Solo adventure again.

Tree of harmony lore from that Staff of storm king's coming from it.

>>30805547
>Sometimes you should just lower your standards
>it's a fucking Glimmerfag
Really activates those almonds

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>>30805551

ITT: lots of faggots

>>30805563
So, can you see the future now? Is that 100% accurate, with absolutely zero chance of error?

I don't think so.

Remember as you see all of this good art that Hasbro thinks that people like Jay Fosgitt are acceptable for day to day pony art.

>>30805547
It's sad because in the early days I was free to think about the episodes and still have good ones and bad ones. Now I have to stop thinking to enjoy any of it, and some people are willing to advocate for that.

>>30805577
>in this thread
>thread

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>>30805551

>>30805586
It's sad because in the early days the show was on the hands of competent people who CARED and they proved it with results, as opposed to the walls of text made by the current staff every time the audience fucking DARES to not give them the blind praises they think they are entitled to get.

Post more stuff, OP. Please.

>>30805290
Creatures that are actually bestial-like? They're physically like apes more than h*mans.

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>>30805555
Shoo be doo, my dude.

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>>30805585
The stuff in the book is the best they had to offer. Fosgitt draws mostly abominations, but he can push out stuff that's not even bad. I'm sure there's a shitload of bad concept art for the movie too, and I'm sure it's also been mostly tossed in the trash

>>30805578
>So, can you see the future now? Is that 100% accurate, with absolutely zero chance of error?
yes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO1TScQwu6g

>>30805624
That is Fleecs, not Fosgitt.

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>>30805622
Continued.

>>30805622
>an octopus names Jamal
BLACKED LMAO

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>>30805032

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>>30805636
Seaponies take flight.

>>30805633
hrm

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>>30805646
shoo shoo be doo

Do they have Glim Glam on the book my man?

>>30805636
>"What is best for the Movie?"
>"'There's always the art book!'"

She seems so resigned.

>>30805611
And don't forget the meta episodes we now get as well.

>>30805142
Why do you keep feeling the need to report to us on the goings-ons of another website that has no relevancy here? Did they downvote you? Just don't read comments if they trigger you.

>>30805666
No.

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>>30805656
misc seaponies

>>30805666
Nope. On that note, none of the background ponies seen in the trailer appear anywhere in the book.

>>30805628
> The future for ponies is dying on a big ball of fire

Sounds kind of accurate giving the current staff's skills as professionals and as human beings.

>>30805646
FUCK YOU OP
YOU MADE ME FEEL DEPRESSED LIKE HELL, ASSHOLE!

I HAVE CHRONICAL DEPRESSION AND IT'S DIFFICULT AS FUCK TO ME TO FEEL ALNY HAPPNIESS BOUT YOU FUCKING DESTROYED ALL HOPE I HAD FOR A MOVIE THAT COULD MAKE ME FEEL HAPPY AT LEAST FOR A WHILE!

FUCK THIS SHIT, I MAY AS WELL KILL MYSELF NOW. THANKS A LOT, FAGGOT!

>>30805675
joy ang

>>30805693
You already know the answer to this, anon.

>>30805693
> defending a movie he hasn't watched yet

Oh the hipocricy.

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>>30805491
Thanks a lot, it's awesome to see by this book the awesome work they put into the movie. It infuriates that many of this were scrapped from the apparent final product, but at least that final comment about the movie staff gives me a little hope.

Let's hope the actual movie is at least a good experience.

(Btw, do you have more big art scenes like this, I would die to see them)

>>30805676
>Applejack's dad dies in the ball of fire; randomly goes back in time and becomes the first super alicorn

>>30805713
There are LOTS of them, but they tend to be two-page spreads and hard for me to actually take a picture of with what I've got.

Op you never should have done this

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>>30805694
>Having hope after the anthro characters were revealed over 6 months ago
They already gave you all this time to get over it, what could possibly have been posted here that pissed you off so much. The only thing that made me go "ah, that would have been neat" was Capper's original tail and the original prologue (which really would just be some action fluff that I'm sure we'll get plenty of in the final movie anyway).

>>30805720
You are bitching and yapping to shoo away critics yet you haven't watched the movie itself.

It's not retarded when YOU do it, eh? WRONG.

you wanna know what the stupidest part of them releasing the book before the movie is?
it's that we get to see all of the "could have been" shit before we even see the movie, which makes our expectations of the movie that much lower
this was a real dumbass move on Hasbro's part

>>30805759
All of this is standard for any kids movie.

>>30804532
>Glimmerfaggots are THIS delusional
it ain't happening, dipshit
IF she were actually on the adventure with the rest of the mane6, THEN it would be possible

>>30805736
>get over it
Ah, I keep forgetting this is a thing all shills say.

How about all of you assholes follow your own advice and "get over it" whenever you see people not wanting to drink the shit you guys guzzle down as if it were mana?

>>30805768
>>30805759
It's normal to release making of and art of compilations before movies.
For example, Ghost in the Shell and Wonder Woman both had theirs released before the movie

>>30805667
It's almost like people in the industry understand that it's a standard part of the creation process or something. That's some /x/ shit.

>>30805777
So outside of you, who are the other four ones?

>>30805286
Lorefags are the bane of every fandom. They bitch and moan about every little detail.
"This changes things too much!"
"This doesn't conform to my convoluted headcanon that was based solely on conjecture!"
It's especially annoying when they're directing their autism at a slice of life show like MLP where lore or adventure were never meant to be main draws, but little bonuses sprinkled out here and there. And when they don't get what was never promised to them, they throw a bitch fit.
Also, jimfag sure is active in this thread for some reason. You can spot him pretty easily because he always says the same shit over and over ad nauseum about shills, calling the staff failures at life, and getting defensive whenever someone tells him to fuck off.

>>30805789
Clearly you, so that leaves three.

>>30805789
(You) also

>>30805794
You know that the original seasons were meant to have adventure over SoL but it was axed by Hasbro because adventure episodes were harder and more expensive to animate?

>>30805322
>original seasons were meant to have adventure over SoL
[citation needed]

>>30804243
>the staff could be a livig thing

>>30805794
> The Jim whiteknight is here, you can tell as he always says the same things and whines about the same people over and over to no end.

>>30805819
Faust herself said it back on late 2010, newfag

>>30805835
>jimfag getting defensive when someone calls out his bullshit
Can I call 'em or what /mlp/? We should get a drinking game going on what he'll say next.

>>30805819
I remember reading something about Lauren wanting the mane 6 to each find their Element of Harmony over the course of season 1, Then fight nightmare moon at the end of the season, Or something like that.

>>30805840
How has a bingo game not been made yet?

>>30805837
Been here since the beginning and I've seen every interview with her. Never seen her once say FIM was going to be adventure over slice of life. Now provide the source or eat a dick. I'll accept either.

>>30804239
Too much detail. They would stick out like a sore thumb next to everything else.

>>30805675
Anything for Celestia/Luna/Cadance? Or their role in the movie?

>>30805852
Celestia gets captured, Luna banished and Cadence imprisoned.

>>30805835
Where was he white knighting Jim, jimfag? The great irony is that you're the only one that ever talks about him.

>>30805867
Pics or source, please?

All of this just makes me realize that the primary problem with the show today is a lack of desire, for the most part, to do anything "big." Even within SoL stories they play a lot safe and make many episodes that could be forgotten.

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>>30805032
>we had the skeleton of a dragon impaled on a sharp mountain as the townspeople harvested its crystal heart
We need to go darker.

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>>30805852
They're not featured much in the book, I'm afraid. Here's this.

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>>30805852
>>30805912
And also this.
If something does happen to them, this book doesn't say.

>>30805912
Prettiest jobbers

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>>30805032
>no canon content will ever even dare to get this dark

>>30805912
This is concerning. The eye size inconsistency in the teaser pics matches the inconsistency here. I'm afraid they won't fix it in the movie...

>>30805551
>left limbs & eye are prosthetic
Am I mixing up my lefts & rights or do all the drawings show her prosthetics on the right?

Call me a Hasdrone but this concept art is making me feel good about the movie, even if the art suggests the final product probably won't be the best it could be

>>30805785
I think that anon's brain would melt if he ever took a deep dive into Zootopia's early concepts.

>>30805998
Oh, I've seen that shit. It's the tragedy of any kids movie that has to have less teeth so plush toys and t-shirts can be sold of it.

>>30806010
Culture of infantilzation.

>>30806010
Getting rid of the tame collars made sense though. If they were kept, the audience would hate the prey animals and just want to see the predators break free and eat everyone.

>>30805656
I can already tell there are going to be endless "Under the Sea" complaints and memes about this song.

>>30806034
Ya think?

>>30806026
It was a better concept ultimately than the super contrived twists.

>>30806016
It's more that you can only make toys of so much, I guess?

>>30806065
Right, and who likes toys the most?

>>30804233
This would have look less "edgy" and more like a barbarian pony which would have been more original.

>>30804243
This suppose to be BROTHER cosmos, a MALE and it would have been more interesting than Storm King since he would have been related to Alicorn lore (she probably hiding wings under the armor)

>>30805933
Does G1 count? That bit about Tirek threatening to decapitate Spike was pretty dark. Though admittedly not as dark as harvesting organs from an impaled dragon. That's shit's just plain metal.

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>>30804265
JESUES, they literally dropped the most interesting prologue related to lore and G1 to fucking appease the normies. Fuck you Fuck Vogel and Ballarini who probably changed it. Probably Meghans "first draft" was actually ALL the cool stuff that we will never going to see. This movie is not doing MLP justice, it just a wasted opportunity and im getting mad over it.

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>>30805636
>that weedy sea dragon form

>>30806072
Man-children? At least, they take the best care of their toys.

>>30804281
We already knew she is innocent and going to reform by just mere fact that she is a pony. Maybe if she was the wild barbarian pony then we would have less empathy toward her in the beginning.

>>30806087
Cosmos was originally a guy. See >>30804565. Then they combined his character with Barbarian Tempest to get Tempest Shadow.

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>>30804565
Which of course mean that she is Celestia's brother and an Alicorn. That of course would mean that the movie would have to focus on Celestia and alicorn lore which we don't want to have


ALSO REMINDER

Entire "old draft" was created by McCarthy, as seen in the email leak. Any new staff was added by Vogel and Ballarini. So blame them and not Meghan.

>>30806101
They did say they storyboarded the sequence. With any luck they'll include it as a special feature on the DVD so there's some small level of solace with it being quasi-canon.
But yeah, I really hope the entire first draft gets leaked some day. Just what we were able to glimpse from some 2nd-grade speller got me interested.

>>30806010
Ironically zootopia had barely any merch at all. My walmart had a single shelf for it for like two months after release, and that was it. Haven't seen anything since.

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>>30806131
>image

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>>30806152

>>30805027
Oh shit, Rarity DOES buld up some relationship with him.

>>30806159
Fuck Sony USA. It's a shame their electronics used to be so good, only for the other parts of the company to devolve into this disgusting dreck.

>>30806131
Stephen Davis more likely. He's the exec taking notes and has been a shot-caller on FIM since day one.
But I'm not going to blame Hasbro for wanting to reach a wider audience. Save the good lore for the show.

>>30805491
Its just a wasted potential and hopefully the movie will bomb to make Hasbro see how much Vogel has ruined it.

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>>30806131
>>30806159
What ever happened to that incredibly slow lady anyway?

>>30806145
I remember seeing a few playsets but yeah, same. Some shirts and plushies stuck around longer though.

>>30806188
Sony says she quit. She says Sony fired her.

>>30806184
You'd want a film to fail just to spite one person?

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>>30806131
Is there anything in the book related to Discord or Longma?

>>30806188
She later developed two other retarded movies - Female Ghsotbusters and Emoji Movie. Recently she work on the spin off about Venom but they don't have the license to use Marvel universe.

>>30806206
Yes, they need to learn to listen to bronies and critics instead dismissing them and appease to normies who dont give a shit about furry movies. This failure is neccessary for better future for ponies as we will get rid of Vogel and possibly bring back Thiesson and McCarthy back to FiM.

>>30806229
Or it could backfire entirely and Hasbro could shut the whole thing down because profits weren't enough.

Do you even corporate mindset?

>>30805102
I'm expecting it to be G but too afraid to actually be G, even though it's practically a PBS show
>>30806223
They own the Spider-Man rights even after the MCU deal

>>30805032
As disappointing as it is to my personal tastes, having grown up with stuff like The Last Unicorn, The Secret of NIMH, The Brave Little Toaster and Watership Down, I can't deny some of the stuff in the book wouldn't have fit the aesthetics and tone of the MLP:FiM universe.

I guess it's still nice to see that there were a lot of artists on this project who genuinely cared.

>>30806240
They won't shut the whole thing as they still get profit from toys. They will start looking for better writers and roducers after they start to listen to fans. Maybe even finally make the transistion to G4.5 and do a time skip in FiM

>>30806268
Companies have shut down entire divisions for less. Don't be so steadfast in your little prediction or hope.

>>30806229
They'd want to keep her as purely an creative exec (because really she was promoted for being a suck up), and ditch Vancouver for Boulder Media to do everything
>>30806206
I want it to fail so people will stop giving their animated movies to Lionsgate

>>30805032
Hasbro: "LOL it's just a cartoon for little girls. THROW THIS SHIT INTO THE TRASH and give me GRUBBER he is the key to everything, possibly the funniest character we ever had!"

>>30806174
>Save the good lore for the show.
the problem is, any lore stuff is going to be co-opted by glimmer now to revolve around her, especially with haber returning.

>>30806289
It's like poetry, it rhymes

>>30806268
They'll move on to G5 and bring everything back to square one. No more Lauren Fausts claiming there are many ways to be a girl.

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Fuck, now i think i'm finally starting to understand why some people became fans of the fandom, the pain of wasted and lost potential is too much.

>>30806325
They're already making lots of money off of Guardians of Harmony, if anything they'd just make a fantasy adventure show from the start.

>>30806326
Fandom itself doesn't even come up with cool enough shit like this. The problem is complacency on all sides.

>>30806223
>Recently she work on the spin off about Venom
Venom without spiderman. Fucking brilliant.
Lets have a superman movie where he's not from krypton while we're at it.

>>30806240
Sadly, this is a real possibility: its not unknown for corporate suits to slash and burn shit so they can shit on other execs and crow about "knowing better" than others.
Lots of execs will actively sabotage projects and hurt their own company just so they can look better by comparison.

>>30806326
It's why I'm sort of hoping this movie will make FiM deader than disco, so we can finally move on

>Thread for new art book
>Instead of being discussion of the elements, thread is mostly assertions that this is why the movie is shit
>Movie hasn't been seen yet.
Well, this highlights he problem with /mlp/ and the idiocy of most of the doompaulers quite nicely.

Anyways, thanks for sharing, OP. Excited to learn there's some old lore tie-in with the Tree of Harmony. Some of those Cosmos concepts were pretty rad, so here's hoping some of that gets recycled someday. Klugetown still looking kind of bland, hopefully it's more interesting inside the city. Also, filly Tempest images confirm the age of her accident; I had assumed she was older than that from her book.

>>30804220

>It was because these artists had a vision for the art form that was more inspired, more vital and more consistently creative than those of executives like Loesch; they aspired to create BETTER cartoons instead of simply acquiescing to committee-driven mandates that underutilized their skill and talent.

And so we now are back where we started. We've come full circle.

>>30806345
Just like Cartoon Brew said it would
>>30806336
Gotta have their own cinematic universe

>>30806345
Fuck, I forgot about that article.

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/ideas-commentary/the-end-of-the-creator-driven-era-29614.html

>>30806363
They could have proven him wrong, but of course they didn't

>>30806375
Barring idiots like Dusedau who blow the only shot at relevance they could have, I think they have grown complacent.

>>30805032
>Harvesting its crystal heart.
The Crystal Empire just became a much darker place.

guys, stop doompauling. S7 hasn't been that bad, and the lady writers are pretty damned competent. they're just as involved in the finale as haber, right? Might even have alot more say than him.

Plus meghan will be back after the movie.