If the multiverse does exist and there are an infinite number

>>30738002
There should be a universe which is literally just my waifu's pussy.

>>30738014
Since there is potentially an infinite amount of universes, that could very well happen.

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>>30738002
most likely, i wonder how a 2-d universe would function.

People forget that with impossibly large comes impossibly small. Just as infinity implies everything should occur, the infinitely small probability of a universe like >>30738014 occurring negates that. Infinity over infinity is undefined.

Just because there is an infinite amount of universes doesn't mean there is every possible universe.

>tfw you realize all of your imagination, from beginning Equestria to thinking about how it will end, is better than the actual product

>>30738002
not only that, theres a universe where youre happily married to her and age with her.

>>30738002
Infinite universes is a fancy way of saying (near) infinite possibilities. If it isn't possible whatsoever for there to be magic and talking equines with a bunch of different races alongside two deities that control the sun, then it isn't a universe. There's probably a universe where everyone is blond, and another where neanderthals never went extinct and there are currently #neanderthallivesmatter protest. The chances of this shit happening is slim, but it's still a chance. Equestria doesn't have a chance, so it isn't a universe.

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>>30738002
I imagine there's a universe where OP isn't a faggot, but it's not likely.

>>30738002
In theory but without proof it remains unvalidated and so

She does not exist

That's just one of the qphys theories, and you've misunderstood it. A universe like Equestria most certainly does not occur with the rules presented.

Think Schrodinger's cat - that case is two separate universes for the two discrete outcomes. In theory, there would be a universe for every possible part of the wave that all of the particles could be on, meaning everything possible would exist in a universe, but Equestria doesn't follow the rules of physics, so it could never exist under the theory.

>>30738208
This

This is just like the sum of sequence that converges to zero, diverges.
(Sigma(1/n)from n=1 to infinity)->infinity

>>30738208
But if they keep getting created we also have infinite time. If a Boltzmann brain becomes possible then so does MLP-verse.

>>30738510
it's bullshit. Nobody knows and will never know what the laws of physics in other universes

>>30738681
It's ok man, I know you like to feel like you have the attention. I know you like to deflect your deep seeded disgust of your MLP fetish onto me, and you probably live in your moms basement jacking off to MLP and fucking your MLP dolls. I understand the samefag pain, I get it. It's sucks to be lonely when no one wants you and you want to generate attention. Just go be a samefag somewhere else, this is a real mans thread about a real mans sport. Not for samefags to go on with their samefag tendancies

>>30738002
If there trully is infinite number of universes, then there is infinite number of universes with Equestria existing too.

>>30738510
Well, go ahead and prove how you know enough about how physics works in other universes with other natural laws to decide what is and is not possible therein.

Faggot.

>>30738681
You can't prove I have a cup on my table so it's unvalidated and therefore I don't have a cup on my table.

I do

>>30738712
That seems like a different theory in and of itself. What I was referring to was merely a hypothesis as there is no evidence to support it. This particular hypothesis suggests that an infinite number of universes, each with different physics, exist.

I'd better be able to go to whatever universe I want when I die.

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>>30738002
I literally explain this shit to you retards every single time. tl;dr we don't know. To answer your specific question: no.

We only have one universe as reference, so we can't know what properties other universes can have, it may be that our configuration is in fact the only one that produces "something" in which case it would be impossible. Of course we can't say that it's impossible outright, because we don't know, but just because something can be conceived to not be impossible, or not be proven to be impossible, doesn't mean that it is possible or even that it could be possible.

>>30738002
Ere Quite possibly, bit if you read and works on this theory by stephen hawking and other similarly intelligent scientists, you'd know that there exists no universe where you aren't a massive fucking faggot

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Nonzero probability multiplied by infinity yields 100%

Unless you're retarded this should be Obvious.

>>30739234
>Nonzero probability
But you don't know that.

Unless you're retarded this should be Obvious.

>>30738208
Why would it be undefined, rather than 1? Like the single universe we're in that actually exists?

>>30738510
>humans nuked each other
>horses and a few other species survive
>mutate from the radiation over generations
>become much more intelligent
>start using telekinesis and shit
It's not impossible, just unlikely as your examples.

>>30739265
I got told that isn't the case because infinity itself is not a value and you may not treat 2 infinity symbols as the same value.

>>30738712
Schrodinger's cat wasn't a proof, it was a mockery of the idea that something could exist in two different states at once. It's always one or the other, you just don't know which.

I have to learn quantum shit for Chemistry because I'm Pharma, then, year 2, I'd never use it again and just memmorize the numbers.
Kill me please, this shit is boring.

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>>30739284
>Kill me please, this shit is boring.
You just have to use it correctly.

>>30738002
There are an infinite set of numbers between 1 and 2, but 3 is not one of them. Infinite doesn't mean anything you can think of.

>>30739288
Bohr atomic model worked just fine, Quantum shell filling method still gets like 20 elements wrong, lovely.

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>>30739288
>there is no god

What country should I move to if I just want to learn what's essential for my job, not more and not less?

>>30738002
In FiM canonical narrative, there are as minimum 8 possible universes (at least that we've seen): Equestria 'Prime', Sombra's Equestria, Chrysalis's Equestria, NMM's Equestria, Tirek's Equestria, Discord's Equestria, Flim and Flam's Equestria, and the Wasteland Equestria. There could be more, but we can't know for certain.
In FiM semi-canonical narrative (this is, official comics), there are much more of them. Note that I don't count the EG's human world as another universe, but as another world inside the Equestrian universe of EG semi-canonical narrative.
In FiM non-canonical narrative (this is, headcanons and fanfiction), there are at least as many possible universes as fans exist.
In our narrative, we can't state nor deny the existense of any universe where Equestria is real. It's simply not possible to access such knowledge within the limits of physics, as far as we currently know.

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>>30739294
Oh boy I almost started arguing about this shit on /mlp/ of all places, but I managed to contain my autism last second.

Another day, another place, anon.

>>30739306
Wonderland.
And, even there, you'd have to learn the 'Happy No Birthday' song.
You'll always need more than essential job-related knowledge to live in a society.

>>30739332
That's what highschool is for, and I took history which I didn't need to because I was curious.
I'm talking after high school.

>>30739336
World doesn't end after high school.
Every year there are new scientifical and technological discoveries. New history is written as we speak. Culture is constantly evolving.
You'll never stop learning new things.

>>30739288
>Sci-Twi
Kys EqG faggot.

>>30739358
diseased meme

>>30739354
DESU I just want money so I can be lazy and game.

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>>30739322
Nice save.

>>30739369
Even for gaming you'll still need to learn shit.
Anyways, if that's what you want I'd suggest a socialist republic, an absolute monarchy or a totalitarian dictatorship.
Democracy encourages you as citizen to know more to take smart decisions (the more democratic/horizontal/direct a system is, the more it encourages this). Tyranny, on the other hand, encourage you to believe blindly in tyrant's will, as he should knows best what's better for you and the nation.
Liberalist economy, in theory, also should encourage you to know more in order to have a more fair and perfect competition, as wiser consumers/offerers means a more efficient economy; however, on practice, agents on the market will always strive for an information asymmetry in order to obtain an unfair advantage over their competitors, and maintain the low price as the only variable that matters. So they misguide consumers with advertisement and marketing strategies, causing an irrational consumerism race thand ends in a lot of unneeded (and false) information.
Socialist economy, on the other hand, encourages you to know only the needed to fulfil your economic role on the society (at least, the historial socialist regimes have been this way; theorists could say otherwise). The government concentrates and monopolize the access to information, so unless your work is anything related to administration, you shouldn't have any problem here.

>>30738220
That's actually exactly what it means.

Wow, some fags DO think the product of near zero and infinity is 1.
Where x->infinity:
lim(x × (1/x)) = 1
lim(x^2 × (1/x)) diverges(to infinity)
lim(x × (1/x^2)) = 0

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>>30740071
>limit "diverges"
I want mathlets to leave /mlp/

>>30738002
There are infinite decimal values between 1 and 2, but none of them are 3.

>>30739265
What is infinity/infinity+1?
Well, it depends. If it's
X^5
-------
X^5+1

As x--> infinity you get 1

If it's
X^6
--------
X^5

As x--> infinity it's infinity

If it's
X^5
------
X^6
It's 0

If it's
X^5
------
2x^5
It's 1/2

Keep in mind infinity, infinity +1, 5*infinity, and infinity^2 are the exact same number. So when you mess with infinite the reality is it depends. No one infinity can be larger so it depends on some other variable that is not infinite. When talking about this universe crap what is that other variable?

>>30740151
Eh, "not defined".

>>30740235
It's actually well-defined in R*, it's just +infinity. The function diverges, the limit is just an (extended real) number and as such it cannot "diverge".

>>30738177
>>30738002
Actually, i don't think so. you see, our multiverse exists on the 3rd, 4rd, 5th or some say 6th dimension, while the pony-verse would exist on the 2nd dimension.
Therefore, it's impossible for equestria to exist. And even if it did, crossing dimensions is something that will never be possible. Crossing universes is something that will probably never happen either

>>30738002
Multiverse theory doesn't break phsyics. New universes are born according to different outcomes that could have been. So, yes, there are infinite universes, but think of it like this: there are infinite numbers between 1 and 2, but 3 is still impossible.

>>30738002
>would it be plausible
Yes, but unlikely.

>>30738840
Stop replying to yourself.

>>30738851
I don't have to prove you have a cup on your table I only have to prove a cup exists so there is an arguable possibility of there being a cup on your table to begin with.

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>>30740260
>crossing dimensions is something that will never be possible
>t. third dimensioner

>>30741116
Then prove a cup exists. Protip: you can't.

>>30740516
Multiverse is not even a "theory", it's just a hypothesis with no supporting evidence whatsoever. One can easily allow for physical laws to be radically different in different universes, and still have a consistent scenario. In fact, we do not even know whether physical laws are the same everywhere in our own spacetime. That is just an educated assumption we use in cosmology and other such fields.

>>30738208
what?

>>30739288
jesus christ that green

>>30740195
now i'm more confused.

>>30738002
Actually, yes. Infinite possibilities literally accounts for everything. If you want a ponyverse with the same laws as this universe, you've got it. Though, good luck getting to it.

>>30739322
When the hell did not being a dumbass become synonymous with having autism?

>>30741116
Wrong faggot. You said that if one can't prove something exists, it therefore definitely does not. That's fallacious, as was demonstrated by that post about cups. If you want to try to change the substance of your claim because you got called on it, go right ahead; I'll accept your concession.

>>30741656
Maybe if I kill myself

>>30739958
Not at all. There could be infinite instances of the exact same universe.

And even if we say "infinite non-identical universes," they could all be different in some inconsequential way, like the precise point in space occupied by Alpha Centauri.

>>30739307
Wouldn't it be entirely possibly to end up in like the Polish speaking Equestria too, it's even Canon, in Poland. Seems no less likely than English speaking Equestria.

>>30743130
Isn't one multiverse theory based around the gravitational constant basically being the 'seed'? It would imply an identifier for worlds, and infinite similar but slightly different worlds to ours... But also many more where like it's too small or big for atoms or planets to exist.

I would believe that maybe there can be sentient ponies that live in a society and roam around having a specific society relatively the same to Equestria. But, I do not believe that magic of the sort can exist like that due to the limitation of physics. Yet there might be different physics in another universe too. So, there might be a universe like Equestria with ponies, and maybe a universe where a pony version of me is thinking about a human equestria, idk.

>>30743396
I have the hypothesis that Equestrian habitants don't even speak any human language. The fact that FiM narratives (both canonical, semi-canonical and non-canonical) are written in human languages like English or Polish only has to do because of the practical fact that we'd need to understand them somehow.
In such scenario, every single dubbing of the show, translation of the comics or whatsoever, is as original in itself as any other, as all of them are just interpretations of what Equestrians are actually saying in their(s) native language(s).

>>30742997
The absence of a cup similarly does not prove that the cup exists so it cannot be proven without validating the original claim. Cups exist since they are not exclusively the one anon is trying to reference therefore if anon says he has a cup it's up to him to provide the evidence and substantiate the claim not I.

Just remember doing so counters the entire argument so anon won't do that. Faggot.

>>30738002
Came in here for the daily reminder that not all infinities are created equal. For example, there is an infinite amount of numbers between 0 and 1, but not a single one of those is the number 2. So, there might be an infinite number of universes, but ones based on human fiction are still probably non-existent.

>>30743004
Although our desires are mortal the greatest hope is that by chance they are only human.

Don't lose sight of what's important to you.

>>30744396
>The absence of a cup similarly does not prove that the cup exists
True, but you might want to watch those "a's" and "the's"

>so it cannot be proven without validating the original claim
What can't be proven, exactly, and what do you see as the original claim?

>Cups exist
Yes

>since they are not exclusively the one anon is trying to reference
What?

>therefore if anon says he has a cup it's up to him to provide the evidence and substantiate the claim not I.

The problem was never about burden of proof, faggot. It was about the anon saying that something which can't be proven doesn't exist. The cup post showed that reasoning to be fallacious. Then anon comes back trying to pretend that's not what he was saying in the first place, and got called a faggot for it. Do stay on topic, faggot.

>>30744661
>The problem was never about burden of proof
Yes it is faggot that is the very nature of the original statement.

>>30740195
>>30741509
one infinity might go faster than the other infinity. if the infinity in the numerator is the faster one, then it equals infinity. if the infinity in the denominator is the faster infinity, then the whole thing gets closer and closer to zero. kind of like how 1/infinity will just keep getting smaller and smaller.

>>30744683
Op's statement, faggot? No, that wasn't at issue. I wasn't trying to say Equestria definitely does or does not exist. I'm saying the argument that:
>without proof it remains unvalidated and so

>She does not exist

Is fallacious reasoning. Being able to prove a cup does or does not exist and who's responsibility that is, is immaterial to that anon's assertion that absence of evidence = evidence of absence, which simply isn't true, as any introductory course in logic would tell you. Tell me anon, why are you such a dipshit you fail to grasp that?

>>30738177
Interactions with 3D beings like us would probably go something like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyTxCsIXE4
>>30740260
>Crossing universes is something that will probably never happen either
Michio Kaku says otherwise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWHC081B_Do

>>30744718
>is immaterial to that anon's assertion
That would be true if I was the one making the claim that the cup exists I'm not the party responsible for said cup being proclaimed as being material.

>>30744718
He's probably an ebin intelligent non-agnostic atheist.

>>30740260
>>30744748
According to Stephen Hawkins, every time we take a decision we're choosing to either stay in our current universe or 'travel' to a new one that sightly breaks the statu quo of our current universe.

>>30744784
Don't bring religion into this I hereby void any further statements.

>>30744793
True, but to get to some universe like Equestria we would have to travel to one that where the divergence point was somewhere just after the Big Bang in order for the laws of physics in that universe to allow something resembling Equestrian magic to exist.

>>30744812
Indeed.
However, decision-making process is only an attribution of sentient beings, and as no sentient being could be present in our Universe's Big Bang as far as we know, there's little to no probability than a universe like FiM Equestria would create from our Universe's phyisic laws.

>>30744861
That assumes decision making is creating the universe, and not simply the mechanism through which conscious perception is moved between them.

>>30744775
Jesus H. Christ.

>>30745218
You got me there.
So anyways, while it's plausible than a FiM Equestria universe could be created, our conscious self can't travel to it because we weren't there when the fork between universes was active.
We could still try to travel back in time to the specific moment the shift was made, but time travel to the past is impossible according to Einstein's physics (and still if it was possible, our presence could upset something and fuck up eveything).

>>30744793
That assumes we have free will though.

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You're having too much fun, somebody should do something about that.
First, we should clarify what "multiverse" we are talking about.
If we're talking about many-world INTERPRETATION of quantum mechanics, then Equestria is impossible - all worlds are essentially our universe, with all the same laws and constants. We have about 20 arbitrary constants in the standard model so far, but they're suspected to originate from something deeper(and less numerous). And many-worlds isn't even a theory, it's unfalsifiable, so whatever we assume is pure speculation.
If we're talking about literal multiple universe theory(M-theory for example), then the laws are the same(this means no new fundamental forces, like magic) but the constants may be different. However, in the majority of the configurations even particles like atoms are not possible. Majority of the universes would be incredibly boring. Ours is fine due to the anthropic principle(we simply wouldn't evolve in an unfit universe, DUH). At most we would have a universe with something resembling our ponies, without magic.
And if we are simply talking about multiple universes as a concept then that's unfalsifiable as well.

>>30745264
Not necessarily. Soft determinism still admits the ability of men to take decisions within a limited range of options (I'd add, suited to specific socio-economical, socio-political and socio-cultural variables).

>>30745277
How can determinists still exist when truly random processes were proven to exist, and are already in use,

>>30745276
Cool, but even assuming you know what you're talking about, I find it absolutely inconceivable we know enough about this universe to say for sure magic is impossible. I also find it ludicrous to assume that our current understanding of things is game-over, the-end, all-is-known, or even close to it. Finally, while I understand the importance of falsifiability in scientific inquiry, the lack of it isn't proof of anything, and I want sexy magical ponies in other dimensions, damn it!

>>30745277
What is soft-determinism, and what makes it more believable than hard determinism?Unless you're going to posit the existance of magic or some kind of supernatural force, "hard" determinism is the only idea that makes sense.

>>30745310
>I find it absolutely inconceivable we know enough about this universe to say for sure magic is impossible
There are experiments for finding unknown new forces, and upper bounds on them already make them weaker than gravity. In our universe at least. And if they exist at all.

>>30745310
Soft determinism is the balance between classical determinism and what >>30745298 said.
It admits limited parameters of freedom, according to your specific context in life. You're not free to do whatever you want as free will proposes, but neither you're enclosed to a single, unavoidable destiny.

>>30745345
>>30745298

When, where, how, and by whom have truly random processes been proven to exist, and what were they? I'm genuinely curious.

As it stands, I see the universe and everything in it as playing out one big math equation. Every thought we have is the electro-chemical impulses of our nerves, and that's determined by the position of the atoms that make up the nerves and chemicals, controlled by stimuli which are produced by things themselves determined by the forces and matter around them and so on and so on. There is no room for randomness, and so, determinism: from the very moment the universe came into being everything that ever would happen, ever was locked into place. The universe is what it is, and will be what it will be, and this is the only way it ever could be because of immutable math.

I would love to be proven wrong.

>>30745387
>When, where, how, and by whom have truly random processes been proven to exist, and what were they?
Last century. Quantum mechanics. And in this century there were insane bounds placed on all "hidden variable" models.

>>30745403
I don't pretend to know enough, or much of anything, really about QM, but 5 minutes of googling seems pretty split about whether or not it's truly random. I would ask for links to a specific proof or experiment, but know I won't be able to understand it anyway.

Suffice it to say, if true randomness is real, then I'm that much happier, and that much more convinced that Magical talking horses do, in fact exist somewhere out there.

>>30745445
There are too many to mention. Here's something written in simple language
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_random_number_generator#Quantum_random_properties
and here are real news
https://phys.org/news/2016-03-physicists-extreme-violation-local-realism.html
Of course the idea has been tested way earlier, this is just further refinements.

>>30745495
Hunh. Thank you. Maybe souls are real, and that means I just might go to Equestria when I die. So, this is what hope feels like.

>>30738014
If your waifu is rarity then sure

>>30738002
I just want to see her smile

>>30745923
I just want to see her.

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>>30745935
I just want to see.