>the nu episode is just a big fuck you to the fans who criticise

>>30712143
>I like to eat shit for breakfest

>>30712143
fuck off hasdrone

>>30712143
Fuck off retard.

>>30712143
It's not about pony. It's just about the fandom which should be discussed out of the show.

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>>30712158
>>30712160
>>30712168
These are not legit complaints, neither they are arguments. You failed.
>>30712170
This at least resembles an argument. I can see why you'd dislike if your subjective criteria for quality include not mentioning fandom in the show

They directly used the criticism that members of the fandom have previously leveled at the writers.
A parody of such criticism would have been more appropriate.
"You were better without wings." vs "I liked you better as a student."

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>>30712195

>>30712231
But anon, wingfags hate nu Twilight not because she stopped being a student but because the whole idea of her having wings goes against their headcanon.

>>30712195
kill yourself already you shit eating mongoloid
people like you are why shows like Fairly Oddparents, Simpsons and Spongebob are in the state they are.

>>30712303
You wanna know the reason it's impossible to polemize with you? You assume that 1) quality of a TV show can be objectively rated 2) your criteria for quality are the objective ones and anyone who doesn't agree is retarded

>>30712329
You wanna know why you're retarded? Because you think your mental masturbation makes you look smart on a board of grown man wanting to fuck cartoon horses, now just keep shoving shit down your throat, I'm sure if you eat just enough of it, it will start to taste acceptable.

>>30712343
>provide arguments
>hurr durr you're just trying to look smart
So anon, where do you fit on the Graham's hierarchy?

I see a lot of butthurt but not a lot of arguments.

It's almost as if /mlp/ is full of tumblrinas getting >offended over the smallest shit.

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>>30712195
>name calling is bad!
Where, exactly, the fuck do you think we are?

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>>30712361
right here >>30712267

>>30712343
ad hominem/10

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>>30712372
Nice ad hominem, hypocrite

>>30712381
>people around me are retarded so I should be retarded as well
Nice to see how little self-respect you got

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>>30712409
Nigger this is 4CHAN. Go back to tumblr if you want to cry every time someone calls you a faggot

>>30712427
You can still call me a faggot as long as you provide actual arguments besides circular reasoning like "it's shit because it's obvious that it's shit". Which you don't.

>>30712405
I'm not OP you little shitweasel. Go crytype about your hurt feelings in your blog

>>30712329
>quality of a TV show can be objectively rated
So it doesn't matter what anyone says right? Your argument will just be "I like it so it's ok" with no way to refute it because it's subjective, right? L M A O

I think a basic argument for quality of a TV show is that it is internally consistent, the characters suddenly addressing points made by people from another universe they can't possibly know about violates that. They have also shit on the source material for years but hey, "I like it so the show is still good" right?

>>30712632
>Your argument will just be "I like it so it's ok" with no way to refute it because it's subjective, right?
No, I usually provide actual arguments as to why I like it. If anything, it may take much more analysis to like an episode than to dislike it. It's just that I don't act as if my opinions were fact.
>the characters suddenly addressing points made by people from another universe they can't possibly know about violates that
These points are spelled out by side characters in the episode which is a way to make the main characters know about them.
>shit on the source material
What is the source material? Bits and pieces of Faust bible that never became canon, such as Rarity being a different character archetype, Twilight graduating, there existing a dragon queen etc.? You are just like the guy with an absurd "Twilight would be better off in Canterlot" complaint. They are established characters of their own at this point. They do not need to depend on something that was written years ago. Of course key and basic character traits need to be maintained but there's a difference between that and expecting them to always stay ike in your 2011 headcanon.

>>30712709
>These points are spelled out by side characters in the episode which is a way to make the main characters know about them.
So what you're saying that regardless of fandom opinions these points would have been raised in the show naturally?

>>30712753
I don't know what you're leading up to, I'm saying it's a way to bring the fandom complaints into the universe of the show because of the theme of the episode.

>>30712298
Yes? The point is that it doesnt directly copy the issue word for word, but is close enough that people can draw the connection without it seeming incredibly jarring for this old unicorn to be an /mlp/ shitposter.
It's called subtlety.

>>30712853
And you don't see a problem with that?

>>30712143
rape.

>>30712143
Most complaints from the ep were legit. Because of the eps follow this retarded formula: make a pony dumber than usual, turn her normal at the end of the ep, never mention it again. It's fine to have flaws, but it's not fine to introduce flaws just to immediately fix them. Also learning the same stuff(Fluttershy) IS bullshit.

>>30712143
Unless you are brand new to /mlp/ then you have probably seen plenty of great arguments supporting the drop in quality of the show and against individual characters. To expect perfection is silly but many anons have devoted a lot of time to explaining their points before. So when you start a thread like this with a general "Name one thing that kept the episode from being perfect" it comes across as intellectually dishonest and no one wants to waste their time repeating the same arguments you can find on any give thread to someone who is clearly not going to listen.

Do yourself a favor. Start a new tread with a specific like or dislike about the episode and people will likely discuss that with you like a human being.

But if you want to start with a standoff-ish comment then all you will rightly get is memes and insults.

>>30712938
No, I like meta episodes

>>30714551
and meta comics(Cadence=the pretty (useless) pink princess)

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>>30714551
>Your argument will just be "I like it so it's ok" with no way to refute it because it's subjective, right?
>No, I usua-bla bla bla
>I like meta episodes

>>30713031
>Also learning the same stuff(Fluttershy) IS bullshit.
Fluttershy doesn't learn the exact same stuff. THe only episode about actual assertiveness is the breezies one. Then, for example, we have Filli Vanilli which is not as much about stepping over yourself for the sake of a greater good as it is about slowly learning to control your fears. You might generalize and say these two are the same, but in reality, these two are very different. For example, Batman has no problems with conquering his fears, but he cannot step over himself for the greater good (kill Joker) because he doesn't believe in it.

>>30714578
wut?
>>30714580
Maybe I should've went into more detail? I like meta episodes because they allow shows to be more self-aware, play around with tropes and have an unusual point (like here, "your headcanons shouldn't necessarily be canon"). This episode does all that, that's why I like it. You haven't given a single reason for why
>bring the fandom complaints into the universe of the show
is bad. Did you assume it as obvious? Or did you pose a provocative question on purpose?
If you want to play demagogue and boil down all of my arguments to "i like it so it's okay" from now on, then I guess all your arguments (if you have any) could be boiled down to "I dislike it so it's not okay".

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>>30714655
Yeah we're definitely done here.

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>>30714655
Friends Forever
I think there were a couple of threads recently about her comic

basically,all the crystal ponies saw her as a pretty princess and her empire considered them as perfect and beautiful

she notices by incognito the kind of fame she has and she feels incapable to solve "love" problems after thinking about it.She undervalues herself and needs support from her family to move on.

TLDR: a comic putting her image of being commercial and simply pretty.

>>30714749
>t. demagogue
>>30714781
huh, I didn't know about that
this seems a bit more subtle than the episode even, the only problem being that show Cadence never got character development beyond commercial and pretty.

>>30714906
I think you're confused, because you have no arguments either, WHY you like the episode is irrelevant, you already admitted that there's no objective standard for rating a TV show.
And you don't even agree that making an episode around fandom complains is a bad idea, so there's no discussion possible. It doesn't matter what anyone says here.

Has an OP ever been this vindicated.

>>30712143
Well, for starters the episode itself was shit since it didn't even resolve the issue with the crowd

>>30715718

sing a song next time shit happens tell me what it fixes.

>>30715718
Not "fixing" the issue at the end was the point. They explained themselves rationally and the crowd ignored it. No sense in continuing to try to please the unpleasable.

>>30712329
IF I EVER CATCH YOU ON MY BOARD I WILL CUT ALL YOUR FINGERS OFF. YOU IDIOT DO YOU UNDERSTAND? DO YOU WANT TO BECOME HANDICAPPED FOR LIFE? DO YOU WANT TO BE CHOPPED OFF IN HALF? YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

NEVER EVER SAY SUCH BRAINDEAD SHIT EVER. YOU DEGENERATE FUCKING ANIMAL. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT?

God you're an arrogant idiot.

>>30712361
>provide a masturbation post that basically says "fuck intelligence, nothing is true, fuck 2+2= 4, fuck you"
>smugly and stubbornly keeps pretending he's in the right.
You need a mental hospital right now.

>>30712329
I'd genuinely murder you right now. Care to give me your street address?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th9ZR4NRIl0

>and not a single counterpoint was made that day.

>>30716745
>provides a legitimate counterpoint
>hasdrone: aaah mmhhmm fuuucckkk. There my good man, that's what I think of your argument.
>afterwards provides less and less quality posts
>hasbro: lol where did all the quality posting go?

>>30716760
I'm sorry you can't handle people disagreeing with you anon.
It's time to grow up, seriously. This thread is embarassing.

>>30716778
>Proving my point
>And he gets away with it.
>Every
>Single
>Time.

>>30716778
This is why beating the living crap out of a person till they admit defeat was created, you filthy hasdrone. Do you not know how to lose?

>>30712372
>>30712531
Don't you have a /mlpol/ thread to sperg out in?

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>>30712143
>>30712195
>>30712329
just skimmed the thread after this because im sure its just full of shitposting.
i genuinely hope you find a couple of anons to have an honest discussion with OP. anons that have their own opinions and can clearly convey why they have them.

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>>30716787
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>>30716760
>provides a legitimate counterpoint

Please, direct me to one.

Speaking as someone who genuinely dislikes some episodes of the show and how the writers responded to complaints about them, this thread is an embarrassment. Hardly any arguments have been made to oppose OP's statement at all beyond insults, and the few people that did begin to say anything of value still defaulted to behaving like children the moment they were asked to elaborate on their statements.

Legitimate arguments against this episode could exist somewhat easily, but I'm not seeing them here.

>>30716845
MOOT GIVE ME THE POWER TO BAN /b/ and hasdrones from 4chan.
>>30716844
Stop encouraging a sociopathy, reddit.

I enjoyed the episode, not as good as the song shorts of EqG or the Pear episode but still pretty good.

I might redact my opinion if that juice video spawns a new line of toys are sold separately.

>>30716913
https://i.4cdn.org/mlp/1502597899986.png

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friendly reminder to ignore the autistic romanian vogelposter. hes easy to spot with his lack of pony images, references to /b/, constant use of the word hasdrone and shiteater, and inability to speak english.

please continue your discussions.

>>30712143
The new episode today was good

>>30716958
>>30716992
Should I report you now or will you see yourself out?

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>>30716958
Careful with the drones, they're too far gone to be reasoned with.

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>>30717046
do what you want.

>>30716231
>>30716460
>>30716913
you sound mad

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Reminder that Twifags are the problem and think they are always better than you even when they don't understand what they are talking about.

>>30718349
You sound an awful lot like Reddit.
>>30718388
You mean yourself and every /b/tard and glimmerfag.

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>>30712158

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>>30712267

>>30712143
Bump cause.

Talk shit get hit

I love the salt

>>30712298
No, we hate it because it's out of character and makes no sense.

>>30723056
>we
can you guys speak for yourselves when arguing? just make your own case and defend it. dont use groups.

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holy shit this thread, OP on suicide watch

>>30723056
>out of character
Wings are not something that depends on your personality. It can't be in or out of character.

>>30723137
why? nobody proved me wrong yet

>>30725790
You got a legit complaint in post four, which of course you shrugged off.
You also got your faulty reasoning exposed here >>30715045

>>30725821
>which of course you shrugged off
It seems you haven't read my post>>30712195
>You also got your faulty reasoning exposed here
What's there to expose? Anon has said that it's pointless to discuss an episode if we can't agree on one basic thing.

>>30725852
But you simply won't agree with anyone on anything, so what's the point? You are like a religious person daring others to prove to them god doesn't exist. Hint: it can't be done. So tell people what you would consider a "legit complaint" or fuck off bumping this garbage thread already.

>>30725862
But that's the point
>you already admitted that there's no objective standard for rating a TV show.
you can't just pretend you know what objective quality is and call anyone who dissgrees a retard

>>30725875
But that's just your opinion, other anons may be able to agree that TV shows can be objectively rated and agree on basic things to do so, just because you think differently doesn't mean you're correct.

>>30712143
Welp, I can't prove OP wrong. Better start watching the episodes I missed and say how excellent the writing is.

>>30725875
Then what the fuck are you doing here in my thread complaining and bitching back at me? You are retarded and you don't know what quality is. So get the hell out, you virginal sociopath.

>>30725885
>other anons may be able to agree that TV shows can be objectively rated and agree on basic things to do so
This is a very thin ground. It's hard to find two people with the exact same criteria for quality.

>>30725972
But what IS quality?

>>30725977
Excuse me, but don't you feel any sort of shame coming inside this thread and telling us lies while pretending you're the good guy? messing with our heads, giving us a headache and not giving a fuck about our sanity in the least?

Don't you have any empathy at all? Or are you one of those guys who only respect power and I need to start geo-locating you to make you afraid and humble of others?

>>30725977
So what is your solution?

>>30725983
>going insane from reading 4chan posts
Interesting.

>>30725990
Not getting angry at people with different criteria should help

>>30725979
>But what is being normal like? What is intellectual thought? What is memory? Only mathematics are objective.
>Why do I keep using CAPSLOCK FOR roleplaying yelling EMOTIONAL PURPOSES(1 word) instead of SHOWING AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF INFORMATION(an entire sentence).

If you're too much of a robot then I suggest you go back to roboland(reddit) or you kill yourself. You have no purpose between human beings.

>>30725991
>>30725995
https://www.reddit.com

The solution is right there. Get the fuck back where you belong, you sociopaths. I'm talking about you two, you smug uneducated pieces of shits. Get the fuck back where you belong.

>>30725995
How does that help? The matter is still unsolved.

>>30725998
>>30726006
>projecting this hard

>>30726007
The matter was having an adequate discussion, not determining a 100% right opinion.

>>30726083
So flinging opinions around? I fail to see how that is different from what everyone is doing, if you don't like extreme opinions and unfunny memes and foul language attached to peoples opinions maybe this place really isn't for you.

>>30725983
Why are you so autistic dude, i can fucking spot your posts from a mile away at this point.
For real nigger take your fucking medication.

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>>30726079
Who's projecting again, you little shit?

>>30726206
For real, kill your retarded autistic zimbabwe father if you're this mentally retarded.

>>30726083
>That bullshit.
You filthy fucking hypocrite.

>>30726355
Care to explain?

>>30726124
Foul language is fine as long as it's used alongside arguments. But when foul language literally is the only argument, that's just pathetic.

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>>30726467
Let's say I disagree and I consider it adequate discussion to fling shit, you don't, so now we arrive at the same dilemma. How do we solve it? I'm gonna save you the trouble: it's impossible.

The best you can do is give your opinion based on your what you think are good criteria and explain to others why you disagree with theirs.
If someone says "I respectfully disagree but I see your point" or "eat shit hasdrone" is no different, they both disagree with you. And no one is obligated to tell you why they disagree either, or why they hold the opinions they do. If we had to define terms and agree on definitions every time we disagree it would be complete madness.

This whole thread is built on you being bothered that other people think they're more right than you for reasons you find to be fallacious. And you may be correct, but if you really don't like the rude discourse around her why do you remain? Trying to educate people on epistemology, logical fallacies and language because they used the word "objectively" incorrectly is nuts. Besides, people know they're using it wrong, they do it because it's more powerful than "i believe this a lot" and because it gets people riled up.

>>30726563
>If someone says "I respectfully disagree but I see your point" or "eat shit hasdrone" is no different, they both disagree with you.
I can see the point of that, maybe as its core it is no different indeed. But this
>nd no one is obligated to tell you why they disagree either, or why they hold the opinions they do.
is more questionnable. Maybe people aren't exactly obligated to tell their reasons for disagreement, but by all means, opinion without any reason at all holds the same little weight as shitposting does.
>This whole thread is built on you being bothered that other people think they're more right than you for reasons you find to be fallacious. And you may be correct, but if you really don't like the rude discourse around her why do you remain?
I don't usually discuss stuff here very often, it's just that I came here on Saturday after seeing the episode and found how a huge part of the board is being butthurt, salty and impossible to communicate with. I thought it'd be fun to point that out and see people's reactions and rationalization.

>>30727038
>opinion without any reason at all holds the same little weight as shitposting does.
That may be correct, but this isn't a legislature in charge of something important, people come here to vent and share their emotions as well, not everyone may be able to express what exact reason they have for their opinion, or they just may not want to go into detail, or their opinion may be mundane, like saying they think Twilight is best poner because she's cute, you don't expect them to define what they mean by cute do you?. You may be frustrated because someone dismisses something you like for no apparent reason but even if they gave you one, what would change? Even if their reasons are "stupid" and you proved their points to be fallacious, it won't change their feelings. Imagine if EQGfriends went through this whole thing every time someone called their spin-off shit in one of their threads. The best advice I can give you is to ignore the shitposts and instead reply to people that seem reasonable to you. And don't forget that mindless banter can be fun to people as well.

>found how a huge part of the board is being butthurt, salty and impossible to communicate with
welcome to 4chan