I guess getting all those literally who celebrities to attract

>>30423366
yeah, who fucking cares about the mane six?
Normies go to see movies for big name actors. And furries too, like that's why zootopia was a success, right?

>>30423374
I'm sorry for asking Anon, but seeing the state in which the board is now...
Are you being sarcastic?

>>30423366
>Big step up in animation quality
Have he never saw disney movies or any other animation movies?

>>30423733
Have you?
Because the trailer looks great.

>>30423733
I think he means in comparison from what he has seen from the show

>>30423815
It's cheap 3D pretending to be 2D, not to mention all the ponies just look so uncanny.

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>>30423824
>3d pretending to be 2D
I'm not even sure if you're just shitposting or not, so I'll just pretend that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, Anon.

I mean, hey, if you don't like it.. well, too bad.
Rest of the world will.
It looks great and I can't fucking wait.
Not that it's the end of the world, you can just keep spamming glimmers and say that the movie isn't canon and shit.
Some things never changes.

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>>30423850
>His opinion is different than mine therefore he's a glimmer shitposter
Just look at the movement of the character models, it's obvious CGI that's been modified to look closer to 2D than 3D.

>>30423850

m8, this movie is basically The Lion Guard tier animation-wise, what we really wanted was The Lion King.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYTVq-NFraE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw0DXswF5MI

>>30423867
>just look at the movements
Yes, that's actually what I've been doing, and it looks great.
It has more frames and they're not using fucking flash.
You're just too used to FiM Anon.
There's no point in arguing about this because you'll see that I'm right 10minutes into the movie.
Your eyes will get used to the smoothness of the animation, to the way the shadows work and to the new body types (which feels way more natural) and you'll love it.
But please stop saying that it's CGI, because all you're doing is telling everyone that you absolutely have no idea how this shit works.

>>30423897
How delusional do you have to be to say that this movie looks like this trash?
This blind rage is just crazy as hell, this is MMC all over again lol

>>30423904
>But please stop saying that it's CGI
But it is, it's the same shit they've been doing with anime for years now, granted it's not as terrible as most anime CGI but it's pretty obvious that this is not traditional 2D animation.

>>30423867

It's in Harmony, so 2D.

>>30423915

It's using the same techniques as this movie, although it's for a pre-school show that's episodic, so of course there's less effort than the movie. But I'm not gonna lie that I'm disappointed in the way the animation is handled for this movie. At the very least, I would prefer them to have done it the way Duo Cartoonist is doing it and not abuse CG too much.

>>30423823
That actually brings question if he have even saw the show?
The show especially recent seasons have got top tier quality flash animation, and it's a different animation software to begin with.
What is he trying to compare the trailer's animation with?

>>30423366
>Emily Blunt
>Sia
>literally who celebrities
You're trying way too hard.

Trying way too hard, and failing.

>>30423931
>traditional 2D
Yes, like, any movie that was made these last 20 years.
Traditional 2D is a fucking pain, Anon. It costs a lot of money and it doesn't look that much better.

>>30423931
Traditional 2D hasn't been used in decades, 2D animation software like for example Flash or in this case Harmony is what owns the scene.

>>30423947
Idk, Pat mentioned once that he actually liked the show for a bit until the fanbase scared him away. Have no clue what Liam thinks of the series

>>30423943
>same technique as this movie
please, do share your sources

>>30423931
The Princess and the Frog was made in ToonBoom Harmony, the same as this movie. It's not 'traditional' 2D either, because making traditional 2D is a waste of time and money when industry software like this exists.

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>>30423366
>Sia
>literally who
you dont get out much do ya anon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-XACActivA

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>>30423956
>and it doesn't look that much better
Okay, you can argue the movie looks better than the show animation, you can argue that the movie in general looks pretty good and that 3D/puppet animation has come a long fucking way and looks passable as fuck these days (pic related is a good example).

But you're absolutely fucking delusional if you think even the best modern puppet or 3D animation can even hold a candle to high quality 2D animation

>>30423983
This movie isn't 3D animated.

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>>30423996
Puppet animated, flash to be exact

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>>30423366
I still haven't heard the names of Emily Blun and Sia outside of MLP fandom. Literally who give a shit about them?

>>30423972

"Work experience with Toon Boom Harmony software is desired."

http://mercuryfilmworks.com/careers/2d-digital-animators-2/

Same software, same techniques used (linework, animation/movement) to emulate traditional animation while also not being traditional animation.

>>30424017
That's your problem, Mr. Shut In.

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>>30423983
Well, you can believe I'm delusional, but I'll keep my opinion.
Traditional 2D found its limits a long time ago.
And, being totally honest, I will always pick a wakfu, or even pure 3D like Moana over the old disneys.
And I love them, really, little mermaid, hercules, B&B, Aladdin.
But this 'traditional is way better because soul and blood' is absolute nonsense.

>>30424012
The MLP movie, it's in toonboom Harmony. Not 3D.

>>30424025
Nerds and little girls dont know shit about them too.

>>30424035

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vjPBrBU-TM

Most people know who Sia is, especially girls/women. Nerds don't because they listen to completely different music (usually EDM/Metal or some shit).

>>30423949
not OP, but I had no idea who those 2 were untill I looked them up. I at least recognized one of sias songs.

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>>30424030
>Posts a perfect example of how amazing good traditional 2D looks
>In the same post claims that 3D and puppet animation like Moana and Wakfu is better
I genuinely cannot see your point anon, don't get me wrong, I like Wakfu too (which is why I posted two examples of the Dofus movie for how good modern puppet animation can be), but that one gif alone easily surpasses even the best 3D/puppet animation in my eyes.

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>>30424044
People listen to this.
We have this "artist" in MLP.

Now i know what /co/ felt when Lisa goes Gaga episode premiered on The Simpsons.

>>30424081

>tfw you unironically like elastic heart from Sia and Judas from Gaga

Not gonna lie, I have my guilty pleasure music. I think most people do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wagn8Wrmzuc

>>30424081
Sia's actually got really good control over her voice though. She's talented, it's just unfortunate that her songwriting style has set the standard for what generic pop music is now.

>>30423366
Normalfag is the proper term. Normies is used by redditors that are against using words like faggot. Its a sure fire sign that the poster using "normies" is a newshit.

>>30424099
I-if we're being honest here, I honestly think Million Reasons is a great song

>>30424099
I'll be honest, there's s soft spot in my heart for Elastic Heart as well.

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>>30424063
No, the love you have for ariel's gif, or this one, isn't only aesthetic shit, it's because you see how much work was put into it.
It's just admiration, the exact same way you would watch... idk, an acrobat doing something that you never thought possible or walked on charcoal or whatever.
But it's tied to our generation, because we grew up with this 3D (well, depending on your age, but I assume that you're at least 20) and inside our minds we got this 'Well shit, 3D is so much easier to do because X or Y'
And it's kind of true, which is why everyone left traditional 2D behind, but it doesn't mean there's less hours of work into it and whatnot. Rather, instead of having five persons doing the roughs, the sketches and the animation, then adding the details etc, we got 1 making the body, one making the animation, one making the lightning, one making the background etc etc.
It's just not the same job, and because we grew up with it we think it's easier, or something like that. (It's not. Just look at the number of studios doing successful 3D shit.)

But when you remove this 'fanboyism' for animation that we have, what's left?
How is Lion king better than Wakfu or the frog princess or this movie?

And so it is completely irrelevant because the number of people actually 'caring' about this is but a fraction of the audience.
Kids and normies will only see it as it is, something really nice to look at with cute and colorful characters. The exact same way they would see Aladdin or Ariel or robin hood or Moana.

>>30424119

Million Reasons is basically when she's not "Lady Gaga" and she's better for it. It doesn't catch people's attention like her fake persona does though.

>>30424100
>>30424099
She's just a copy of Lady gaga, and Gaga was a copy of Madonna. I guess we need a generic female pop star every 10 years.

>>30424139
It's kinda sad really, seeing her dressed normally and singing coherent sentences in a more natural voice makes you realize that Gaga is kinda wasting her talent on overly synthesized shit.

>>30424044
Oh, so that's Sia. I think I heard that some once or twice on the radio before, but honestly most pop culture singers sound alike.

>the animation is shit
>no no, it isn't, it's good
>no it's shit
>no you don't understand it's good
>you're the one who doesn't understand, it's fucking garbage. Let me explain.
>no, let me explain why it's good

What's the end goal of these arguments again? I've seen them happen at least five times lately.

>>30423815
It looks like garbage, are you blind or just retarded?

>>30423956
>>30423958
>>30423974
You're confusing using software for coloring & compositing with using software for animation. Princess and the Frog and the like was still hand-drawn on paper. And even if you don't count that as traditional animation, there is still the odd short made using cels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja1sjfnfjg0

>>30424848
There's also a little gem of a film called Ernest and Celestine that's traditional and only a few years old. Generally speaking traditional 2D is pretty much a forgotten art though.

>>30424012
uh, what show/movie is that from?
looks good

>>30424044
https://youtu.be/udhzxv2YKr4
This bitch did it better.

>>30425393
Dofus movie

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>>30424848
And how do you know MLP wasn't hand drawn first too?
Do you know stuff we don't?

>>30425519
Where's your evidence that it is?

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>>30425584
>But 2D hasn't been used in decades Ano--
>No you don't get it, princess and the frog was hand-drawn first!
>And how do you know MLP wasn't?
>N-no u!
You faggots will cling to literally anything if it lets you shitpost heh?

>>30424044
Oh my god this song is awful

>>30425601
How are cels necesary for traditional hand-drawn animation? And again, where is proof of the MLP movie being hand-drawn? Considering the current animation climate, I highly doubt that it is.

>>30424112
it can't be that normies sounds a fuck load better than normalfag while getting the same sentiment across right?

>>30423366

The only thing I hated from the trailer was the god awful model for the bad guys blimp, at least give it a high poly count if you are going to make it hat simple!, but over all I don't know why are you all bitching? the pacing was weird though, it should have ended at a high point but I took plenty of fappable screenshots.

>>30424030
traditional looks better because they couldn't tween the animation at all, everything had to be hand posed, its why the guilty gear games look so good even while 3d, they left nothing to a tween, they hand placed every single aspect of the scenes to the point of custom shaders for lights they use.

shit is fascinating.

If you have the budget to animate everything, you get good results, but make no mistake that most 3d movies rely on pre made/tween assets and at best some of the main characters get worked on a bit more then normal to make 'perfect' image that does what you want, see the dresses that disney characters were in 3d once they used physics instead of hand animating.

with hand animation it costs just as much to make one page as it does another, especially in a higher budget movie, so you make sure everything animates, and because there is no set 'we can just put this generic animation onto the model' you tend to get custom everything, which in turn looks nicer than much of what we get today.

>>30424044
I mean, you could've posted Cheap Thrills. Sounds slightly better, but still shitty.

>>30424131
i'm 29 just for age reference.
3d is worlds easier and harder at the same time, and 2d has a higher skill floor.
with 3d, you are typically going to work off a 2d sketch, knowing how to use a 3d program literally anyone could make a workable mesh.
depending on the movie type, disney would likely use something like modo as the be all end all for model making while a more realistic movie would use something like z brush.
from there you send off the model to someone else to correct topology bone and rig the shit, which then gets sent off to someone to paint it, which then gets sent off to animators. the lower the budget the less specialised people skills are and the worse the animation looks.

meanwhile to draw traditional 2d animation, or frame by frame (no puppets) you need to have most of the skills yourself only passing it off once possibly twice, first the person who animates it, second the person who draws the characters and third the one who paints. to cut costs you can have just keyframes done in house.

typically here there is a minimum quality in traditional 2d animation that is far above the minimum quality in 3d, very few studios match or beat 2d in terms of quality and do it consistently.

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>>30423815
Hasdrone spotted

>>30427437
>hasbrosome
wat

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>>30426244
I'm with you on everything that you just said.
But it doesn't change the fact that people that aren't really interested in it won't see the difference, and won't care about it.
It's 'sad', I guess, but that's how the world works.
'Traditional' animation is six feet under and won't come back unless it's for the bling bling of it.

But I'm not sad because I won't enjoy the content I'll get instead, tho.
It looks great.

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>Rising Horsefucker Liam

>>30423366
>what the hey
Seriously?

>>30429489
traditional as in pen and paper is dead and gone in the west for the most part, but traditional as in frame by frame still happens.

and as for people wont tell the difference, no, children won't see the difference, or at least won't be able to put their finger on it, and adults, at least in america, look down on animation as a lesser form of storytelling, so while they can obviously see the difference, they just don't watch animation.

>>30429597
>look down on animation
Do they?
I mean, yes, gen Z and older does, but that's because they were born before the TV was even a thing.
But anyone born past 1980 likes/don't mind animation, IMO.

I'm not american tho, so maybe it's really different over there, but here I can speak about animated movies like disneys or pixars or whatever quite freely with anyone desu.
I guess the most 'chads' of them could see me as a manchild, but overall cartoons and shit aren't 'just for nerds' anymore.

>>30429640
It's a lot different in America, animation is seen purely as kids stuff which is why something like Kubo And The Two Strings did so poorly in America, adults thought it was a kids movie and kids got bored watching it. Oscar/Emmy voters for animated films will basically shit on anything that isn't disney and include comments like "my kid dragged me to this film, so I guess I'll vote for it since I never saw any of the others"

Europe seems to do a bit better, France and Ireland having a few notable films like The Long Way North or Song Of The Sea.

>>30429685
Well, guess you guys will have to wait for gen Y (not Z, btw) to die/be too old to be relevant.
Seeing how big animation is now, I don't think this generation will give half the fucks the last one did.

>>30429685
>>30429640

Look, I like superhero movies and shit, and I always argue why the fuck is something that is 90%+ cg not just fully cg, then we can get voice actors who don't technically age out of a role, and don't have a massive fucking ego that demands 20+ million a roll.
everytime I see a movie that's fantasy or sci fi and is mostly cg, I always get pissed off that they just didn't go balls out with the cg and run full animation, that way we can get good leads instead of wooden fucking planks only brought in because of a name.
but every time I bring up 'the movies are 95%+ animation already why not just go all the way' I get as a response 'I would never pay to see kids crap'
again im 29, so whatever generation that makes me i watched in high school where everyone decided suddenly they wouldn't watch cartoons anymore because they wanted to be more mature, and reality tv was more mature.

I'm not sure I will ever understand this mindset.

as for pixar or dreamworks, you won't be looked at funny, but if you didn't go with a kid you are looked at as something is wrong with you.

>>30429749
Isn't generation Z expected to be the most conservative generation since 70 years ago?

>>30429769
Well, in essence, yes, maybe, because of the mudslimes and shit happening right now.
But it doesn't mean it'll be the same conservatism as the one from now, just like our actual conservatism is way different from the 50's'
But it's kind of hard to know what exactly will happen.
Shit changed a fucking lot since the TV, internet and social media happenings.

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>>30429791
All I know is the libshits will be forever BTFO.

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>>30423366
>"HEY ANON! Didn't you hear? Theres a my little pony movie!"
"N-No. Nope, nada, never heard of it.... What about it?"
>They are featuring SAI! Isn't that awesome??"
"Oh...Who is sai?"
>"I don't know. But she must be rich and famous, and that makes her REALLY important! Can't wait for this movie to come out in theaters!"

>>30429759
You have to keep in mind we've only recently got to the point where you could replace people with CG and not instantly dip into the uncanny valley. Hell, good luck doing it without mocap.

>>30429873
you don't need to make people realistic, it's all animation anyway, go for a bit of an exaggeration and it would be best, and also, we are in the pit of the uncanny valley, even with the best and biggest budgets we can't overcome it, and likely won't for another 5-10 years till we can automate some of the finer muscle movements.

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>>30429851
>mfw half the family's going to ask me to take the kids to go watch it
I don't even know if I'll find the courage to stammer a 'I don't like this shit anymore'

>>30426143
It probably does to you since you've only been using this site for at most two years. Normie has only come about in the past couple years along with the frogshit back and forth between reddit and [reddit9k] and /pol/. Anyone using it shows they've not been around here long and is a goddamn tumor that needs to be eradicated. Attaching fag as a suffix has been in practice around here for many years and has lost a lot of use due to shitstains like yourself that don't know how to lurk moar. Same goes for twitter shitspeak abbreviations which is why moderation put wordfilters on them and should have been an obvious sign to the shit washing up around here to fuck off with that.

>>30429888
Well, it'll happen. Eventually.
Give it another 20 years and I'm sure any capemovie that comes out, even the ones looking realistic, will be 100% CGI.
3D is great because it will get cheaper, and cheaper, and cheaper, and easier.
Unlike 2D or acting.

>>30429769
They will cure cancer and be retired by 40, and then flip us Millenials off and call us trash cucks...hopefully not my siblings

>>30429940
Smoke a joint before hand. And badda Bing its a whole new movie.

>>30429951
been here since I want to say its second come back and used it regularly since its third, normalfag, newfag and all that shit never had that ring to it that makes for a good insult, it always came across as a child's first swear they made up.

Normie at the very least has the same meaning but because it doesn't have the 'what a faggot' element, people don't automatically tune it out.

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>>30430035
Oh no, I want to watch this shit clean.
And I'll certainly enjoy it even more than the kids, desu.
The worst part will be to come up with an excuse if I start crying in the middle of it when Donut steel will die a horrible death

>>30429955
2d and 3d are both getting cheaper and with better programs, the 2d manipulation is getting to the point you can't easily tell puppets are being used, we are going to hit a point where 2d gets cheaper then 3d and is easier to do.

also, acting is quite a bit cheaper then 3d animation, the issue is the moment they get a roll people expect they will keep doing that roll, and get an ego about being the only person who can do said roll, and at least in america they are proven right by people refusing to see put animated movies if its not for their kids.

I don't think america is going to change in that regard, however china and other markets if they are more willing to see animation, I could easily see a majority of movies shifting to animation for foreign markets as it would be easier to dub and look good.

>>30430111
>the 2d manipulation is getting to the point you can't easily tell puppets are being used
Show me a single example because I've yet to see it

>>30430142
I said can't easily, granted I don't have tv so I don't know the shit that happens there, but I do watch what other people do with making puppets and animation, some of them are getting good.

in a few years time, you will likely be able to draw a 2d image, and the program will interpret it as a 3d one and puppet it to some extent, it figures out what clothing it has, and adds some physics hooks to it, and there you go, a mostly done character. you already see this in some tech demos where they show keyframes being animated with inbetweens all automatically by a computer, some of them are getting good, then on the visual novel/dating sim side you get tech demos where they import 1 cg cell and get an almost fully functional model out of it because the program interpreted it correctly.

the tech behind the animation is fascinating to me, and I can see where its going or at least what the people want to do with it, a good number of people either don't like full 3d or don't like what it allows lazy studios to do, so they try and make 2d more viable.

Fuck this board is just as cancerous when I left it two years ago. I'm glad I took a long time away from the board and show because I can now watch the show and movies for fun without analysing it to death. You know, for fun.

Life is always better when you want to just have fun.

>inb4 "nobody cares."
I don't give a shit desu.

>>30423366
>liam is so desperate for subs he's using bronies
That's fucking disgusting and this is why the channel is better for him "leaving"

>>30430085
Lol

>>30430223
I agree. I like it though only for the redpill factor.it lifts the veil on everything and reveals the true cancer.

>>30430223
>Fuck this board is just as cancerous when I left it two years ago.
>Yet you had nowhere else to go and returned to analyze ponies to death.

That is really sad.

>>30431419
I just returned to see how this place is. Not once have I analyzed the show or movie since peeking back here. Not gonna return for a while again.

>>30430223
You could also grow a backbone and not let mlp twist your viewpoint on things.

>hasbro finally announces a my little pony: friendship is magic movie to be released in theaters.
>bronies around the world scream in delight
>meanwhile, in middle class suburbia, a little girl begs her mother to take her to see the movie
>her mother takes her the day the film opens and gets an early spot in the theater
>to her surprise, the other people crowding in are not children and their parents, but dozens of enormous, rotund men with long hair, acne, and neck beards.
>one such man walks down the aisle they are sitting in, his massive ass rubbing up against the mother and her daughter
>disgusted, the mother gets up and tries to take her daughter to another theater.
>she is horrified to find that other neckbeards are sitting all around her, and she can't get them to move.
>she an ehr daughter are encased in a prison of lard
>the movie starts
>sobbing, the mother and daughter remain seated, hoping to wheater the storm until the movie is over.
>when an instrumental of the theme song starts up, all the bronies sing it very loudly, scaring the girl to tears.
>when the man sitting next o her raises his flabby arms to clap and cheer, she is assaulted with a noxious could of body odor.
>the film continues, an tehre is a brief scene where fluttershy's butt is front and senter.
>suddenly, everyone in the theater goes deathly quiet, and for once the girl can hear what the ponies are saying.
>not for long
>everyone pulls their XXL gym shorts down and begins fagging furiously to the scene which has already passed.
>the mother grabs her daughter and holds her close, praying for it to end
>suddenly, audible ejaculations everywhere as semen is sprayed into the air in fountains, showering the girl in brony seed
>no easy task to clear the ground
>plant out tiny seeds

>>30424012
>>30423983
For the anon posting these:
You know that the rigs are cost-saving tools for when the characters are only standing around chatting with each other, not being very dynamic, right?

Rigs aren't infinite. You can't use them in complex fight scenes like that. They aren't using the rigs to animate those scenes at all. They're drawing each frame, as you would with traditional animation.

Any show that animated exclusively with rigs and didn't do traditional animation at all would look extremely cheap.

What's most impressive about Wakfu is that it's in Flash. Imagine trying to animate those scenes when your animation software keeps crashing every five minutes.

>>30432596
Did you steal the EQG grean for this?

>>30423824