Friendly reminder that the original true plot for FiM was killed

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>>29553684
You da bes, lady. Both cuter AND more talented than Jim.

WHERE IS ORIGINAL PONY BIBLE?

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>>29553722
Enshrined on a pedestal in Faust's home.

You up for a little light B&E?

>>29553684
>reddit
You have to go back

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>>29553745
Maybe!

>>29553684
who gives a shit about what that crazy feminist thinks

>>29553722
THERE IS SUCH BOOK!

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>>29553794
Me.

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>>29553794
>friendship ammo

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>>29553722
In a Hasbro vault guarded by high-level zionjews and lawyers.

Only way you're ever gonna know what's in it is if either Faust or Nick crack and spew forth.

>>29553847
WHEN?

>>29553722
Doesn't matter, The only canon bible now lies inside a head of Meghan Mccarthy and Mike Vogel. Rest of the writers just come up with filler episodes and abide their will.

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>>29553910

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>>29553858
That's up to you to guess when and pray.

>>29553684
D oyou think this was the reason Meghan resigned from doing the "Alicorn City" premise in the original script for the movie?

>>29553684
First time I see this image and I'm literally shaking. Why the fuck did Faust leave?

"What could've been" is the most depressing phrase in the english language, fuck

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>>29553722

A couple pages were in the leak last year (was it last year?)

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>>29554741
By "couple" I mean two.

>>29554741
>>29554748
Damn, if only they held actual content.
Still a cool find though.
One day, I think Faust will return to us again and drop the whole bible for us, but I'm no betting man.

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Friendly reminder

>>29555455
I like how they retooled twilight's original design into shining armor's design

>>29555455
>all those scrolls

I really like that look, its makes her look like a wizard.

>>29555526
She was a wizard, she idolized Starswirl and Clover the Clever.

>>29555575
Now she's a PRINSUSS

>Everything past season 2 is non-canon
But I already knew that.

>>29553684
Good. She left, she doesn't deserve to have what she wants. She's a quitter.

>>29553684
>and lives on only in Faust's head.
Do you have any proof it's still alive?

She has probably slaughtered it for parts to some new scripts and synopsis she's pitching.

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>reminder that the only episode that she wrote alone is one of the worsts in all the 6 seasons

>>29553684
Lies!
True plot for FiM was killed on early stages of production, when Hasbro declined idea of FiM being serialised adventure cartoon.

ups

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>>29555715

>>29556179
Now it's high-tier, because of season's 6 scripts.

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>>29555588

>>29556496
Post-S2 marks the point where the two plots have massive contradictions and make the other impossible.

Otherwise yeah, that and Luna/Zecora had much bigger roles that got cut down because little girls don't like dark scary princesses or niggers.

>>29553684

The "true plot" is what happened on the screen. Faust's head is irrelevant.

Faust announced she was leaving after season 1 without a fight. She lacked the courage to try because she was afraid it wouldn't be as good as her imagination. She gave up instead of staying on to win the battles that could be won and stay in for the long haul. Hasbro listens to money and the success of the show both inside and outside the demographic would have won them over eventually. Toy sales follow publicity, and good stories are the only differential from every other trinket in the girls' isle.

>>29556957

If that were the line of thought then how the hell did Luna's redesign get approved?

Zecora was more likely cut for the practical reason that it is hard to write rhyming dialog.

>>29556983
Doesn't mean it isn't nice to see what could've been, is all.

>>29556997
My only guess is it was a compromise between "keep her blue-ish for continuity" and "make her princess-y like Celestia".

Which failed and barely mattered since Cadence (who IIRC was a unicorn in Faust's designs) was around the corner.

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>>29556983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3fFldhsJDw
>3:16

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>>29556983
The true plot is whatever the fuck I say it is. On what grounds do the producers get to dictate how we should interact with the show? Because they're given control over professional resources and allowed to work within the parameters of the IP?
Fuck that shit, that has no meaning to me. Art exists in every person independently, there is no true connective tissue outside of what you allow there to be. The author's, the IP holder's, vision is only legitimate as far as you allow it to be. There is no metaphysical force dictating what is canon and what is not canon, it's only you and your willingness to believe that you can't decide it for yourself.

>>29553684
>darker
>battles and shit
Yeah, no thanks. Sounds like shit.

>>29557111
https://youtu.be/UoJrqejLsf0

up

>>29557037
this approach only works if you're not planning to discuss the true plot with other people, anon

>>29557318
Then you just allow yourself to come to some common ground, and abandon it when the concete isn't necessary.
It's actually really easy.

up

lauren had some really shitty ideas though. like giving pinkie pie sugar superpowers. pinkie sense - what a win that was - feels like it came from her too.

>>29556997
>Zecora was more likely cut for the practical reason
Also, she just haven't place in current episodes, even adventure ones.
Because most of the time ponies themselves knows whats awaits them.
They practicaly don't venture into the unknown.

>>29553684
I don't get why we are still surprised by this.
When Megan stepped in we already knew that the story would be different from the original vision. The same thing that happened to SW with Disney.
it's obvious: different artists, different vision.
And obviously Hasbro is making everything for profit.
But from what i see, the new direction is not making a bad job. Season 5 was great and season 6 was mostly ok.

>>29553684
Why are you arguing?? The show is pretty good right now.

>>29555588
And what?? I love her otherwise!! The title and the wings doesn't change anything about her. She's the same pony I care and love!!

>>29553684

If it's any consolation, Faust probably drowned said plot in alcohol so there is no way of bringing it back.

>>29558063
Lel

>>29553684
This depresses me. Lauren seemed to know EXACTLY what fans wanted, before there were even fans to begin with.

Also, FiM could have had darker and scarier plots? And less reformed villains? I feel like killing someone.

>>29555455
You know, the fact that this is dead and buried isn't what concerns me as much as WHO is responsable for it.

Granted, we all know who dunnit, but an official confirmation would be good, either on TWitter or at a con.

And it shouldn't be that hard, we got McCarthy and Larson to admit that they didn't have half an ass's clue what Starswirl's spell did, I'm sure at least some autist could ask "where did the idea come from?".

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>>29558055
>we already knew that the story would be different
we didn't
>direction is not making a bad job. Season 5 was great and season 6 was mostly ok.
Newer seasons only good because of Lauren's characters. New scripts are far from perfect.

>>29558055
I think it's the fact it likely diverged so much given that the reigns were taken by people the team she chose.

It's like instead of going from Legends to EU it goes from Legends to Star Trek.

>>29556983
>She lacked the courage to try because she was afraid it wouldn't be as good as her imagination.
I don't believe this for a second. It is not cowardice to back down from an unwinnable battle, and the only thing different if Lauren had stayed would be the same micromanaged shitheap, but she'd technically be "responsible" for more of the fuck-ups.

You really think she could have convinced the producers that they didn't know their own asses from a teakettle? If 'Suited for Success' wasn't enough to open their eyes, blatant allegory that it was, then there was no hope to begin with. Faust stays, we still get Twilicorn, we still get Crystal Castle, we still get every unimaginative bore that the series has shat out since the finale of Season 2, except Faust would have to stick around and weather the hatred that fans are currently directing towards Jim.

I wouldn't do that. It wouldn't be fair of me to expect Faust to do it, either.

>>29560464
>the producers
Goddamnit. The executives, I meant.

u-up

>>29553719
Thom Yorke worked on MLP?

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>>29553719
>>29561016
BUT IM A CREEP

>>29561036
I'M A WEIRDO

>>29561036
>>29561068
>pre Ok Computer radiohead
eeeeeeew

>>29561068
WHAT THE HELL IS MEGAN DOING HERE?
SHE DON'T BELONG HERE
I DON'T CARE IF IT FLOPS

>29561074 (You)

>>29561080
Kid A > Amnesiac >> Ok Computer > A Moon shaped Pool > In Rainbows > The King of Limbs > Hail to the thief >>>>>>>>>>> The Bends >>> Pablo Honey

>29561102 (U)

>>29561102
Radiohead knew they couldn't top Creep, so they switched to making shitty art rock instead of writing actual songs.

>>29557037
>On what grounds do the producers get to dictate how we should interact with the show? Because they're given control over professional resources and allowed to work within the parameters of the IP?
uhh yes lol it's their show not yours LOL

This image made me realize something

I've been pretending to still enjoy this show, and done my best to overlook its horrible glaring flaws. Alicorn Twilight, Equestria Girls, reformed Discord, screech-owl Pinkie, butt-monkey Spike, Glimmer, Shimmer, the alicorn baby and horribly designed CMC cutie marks, the rampant flanderization of everything and everyone and increased executive meddling and mandates

It's time to get off the ride. This could have been glorious. The lore, the high-fantasy potential. All these things that could have been, flushed down the toilet by Hasbro's greed.

I've been pretending that it's all fine, but I can't do it anymore. I'm getting off the ride. The show sucks, and has for a while, and it's just continuing to get worse.

To anyone still going, and pretending to enjoy the mangled abortion Hasbro has made of Lauren's baby, this is for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxgWHzMvXOY

>>29553684
Good. While some may argue that characters are not as strong as they used to be, some of the best stuff came after s2.

>>29562280
See you tomorrow.

>>29560464


I doubt it. The executives are incompetent and apathetic storytellers, not evil.

They gave Lauren a lot more control than they would have given in other circumstances, and something great happened. Even executives aren't completely blind to how it happened. She would have needed to compromise here and there, but whether or night Twilight was called a "princess" is a non-issue. What matters is the overall story and the execution of the story. Lauren had the golden ticket and gave it away because it was a little dirty.

Even if what you say is 100% true (it's not), a captain that doesn't go down with the ship is disgraceful. It was such a waste. She left the show and hasn't done anything significant since.

>lives on only in Faust's head.
We have some pretty solid leads...

- only two alicorns
- alicorns are super-magical, not merely high-tier
- Twilight Sparkle has more raw magical power than anybody else, she only needs to learn to use it
- Twilight was groomed from a young age to succeed Celestia and Luna, but NOT as a princess

What would have been a straightforward exceptional-student-outdoes-their-master story became a procedural. The stakes were lowered incredibly: Twilight not the most powerful unicorn anymore, alicorns no longer unique, tons of characters are as powerful as Twilight and the alicorns if not moreso, being an alicorn is like getting a doctorate, Equestria isn't the world, it's just a kingdom (so the sun and moon serve one kingdom?), nature isn't uncontrolled and mysterious, dragons aren't rare and dangerous, and so on and so forth.

>>29563449
>a captain that doesn't go down with the ship is disgraceful
She's not the captain and it isn't her ship. Hasbro is the captain. She was the diligent and skilful first mate serving under the drunk and lazy captain. When, thanks to the first mate, they found great treasure (billions and billions of dollars), the captain decided to take the wheel away from the first mate. The first mate, unable to see his beloved ship being steered the wrong way, left.

>>29562280

Retard. And I know you are just doing to agree with the hive, but I'll still give you your (You).

Equestria Girls is not interfering in the main show and so can be ignored. Reformed, chaotic neutral Discord has been better than keeping him a villain and needing to make massive plot holes to explain why an all-powerful spirit of chaos keeps losing, or having such a great character stay encased in stone.

The problems you mention with the characters were worse when the show started. The characters have moderated since then, not flanderized. Re-watch season 1. Spike was a useless servant. Pinkie annoyed everyone. Applejack was more stubborn. Rainbow Dash was more obnoxious. Fluttershy was terrified of things to the point of disability. Rarity was completely shallow and snooty.

The CMC weren't even good characters until season 3.

>>29561471
But, anon, it is my show. The memories are in my head. They belong to me.

>>29563519
Let's look at those things one by one:
- S1: Spike is a BABY dragon so can't take care fo himself. Now: Spike is for all intents and purposes an adult who could have potentially become the dragon king.
- S1: Mane 6 are individual characters. Now: Mane 6 are a crime-solving crew that gets missions from a magic McGuffin.
- S1: CMC were throwaway characters. Now: CMC are shoved into tons of episodes for no good reason.

Bronies have reached anime-fan levels of justifying themselves for watching a shitty cartoon.

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>>29561102
>Shitting on Fake PLastic Trees and High and Dry

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>>29563500
>What would have been a straightforward exceptional-student-outdoes-their-master story became a procedural

And it's on its way to becoming even more procedural with "Guardians of Harmony"

>>29563516

Hasbro is the OWNER. Captains rarely own their own ship.

Faust could have done a lot to make things better just by working on it day to day.

>>29563559
To elaborate, the initial reports to Celestia were not the driving factor behind the plot, they were an instrument to generate the "educational" rating, while the plots themselves evolved organically from the characters.
When Faust left, the lessons became the driving force behind the plot. Instead of the good "here are the characters, their personalities cause this conflict", it turned to the bad "here's a conflict, let's shoehorn the characters into it".

>>29563564
If you're going to be this pedantic, then the ship hasn't sank, and the OWNER merely appointed a new CAPTAIN and NO ONE DIED so your analogy is shit either way.

>>29563543

A "baby" that was obviously Twilight's butler? Sure, that makes sense. I've always pictured him as a preteen, which fits the time frame from his hatching if you assume ponies and dragons age at the same rate.

First episode is the characters uniting to search for a set of macguffins to defeat the BBEG. Try again.

Lol, the frequency of CMC episodes hasn't moved a bit, still two or three episodes a season.

>>29563592

Glad to know we both agree that the "ship hasn't sank" and the show is still basically good. I also never asserted that anyone died. Analogies are by nature inexact. I was merely trying to convey how Lauren accepted responsibility to make the show and wasn't committed to the end.

>>29563642
>the "ship hasn't sank" and the show is still basically good
No, "the ship hasn't sank" means no one died. The show is crap and you're making strawmen.

>>29563642
>Lauren accepted responsibility to make the show and wasn't committed to the end.
Un no, she was hired to do a job under certain conditions, and when the conditions changed she quit the job. This isn't a life-and-death sinking ship deal where you have to work in the same place until it goes bankrupt or you die.

>>29563617
>>29563642
>First episode is the characters uniting to search for a set of macguffins to defeat the BBEG. Try again.

Get your head out of TVTropes's ass and learn some real writing and filmmaking. You sound like a retarded teenager.

>>29563559
god damn S1 animation was so weird

>>29563672
He's not wrong m8. The pilot is about as basic as you can get. (1000 year sealed evil out and causing shit, chosen ones getting magic artifacts complete with friendship laser)

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>>29563684
>my autistic brain can't handle facial expressions that aren't animu

>>29563688
Except none of them knew they were chosen ones. For all intents and purposes Twilight was sent to Ponyville to make friends, and she happened across a bunch of weirdos who were putting on a party. They tagged along with her when disaster struck.

This was not "McGuffin gives plot, characters follow." This was "characters interact with each other, plot follows."

Subtle but crucial difference that TVTropes morons do not comprehend because they can't tell the difference between cause and effect.

>>29563689
Faces tended to be wonky as fuck in early seasons. Along with walking looking more stiff.

Movement quality of a pony in S4 and beyond compared to S1 is a world of difference.

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>>29555455
>le graduation maymay xD

>>29563702
Different anon here. It's a mixed bag - they've gotten the budget to do more complex animations, which definitely does add noticeable improvement to the smoothness of motion (for instance, the sheer number of mouth positions has allowed them to much more closely mirror actual speech).

But, that's also come at the cost of the introduction of a lot of very exaggerated and bizarre movements and faces which (at least in my opinion) cancel out the benefit and even drop the quality a bit. It's true that they had fewer options in the past, but that forced them to be inventive and expressive with things like body language and stick to reasonable facial expressions.

Nowadays they can just animate an entirely new exaggerated motion or face for the scene, slap it in, and call it done - and while clearly understandable, the result is jarring because of the sheer number of malformed face, limbs, and bodies that result.

>>29563689
>the "now" is even gayer
Accurate.

>>29553684
That image has a few references to "when this blows over". I wonder what kind of time span there might be before Faust can discuss the ideas she had for the show?
It can't be when the copyrights for Friendship is Magic expire, can it?

I do know that we have a lot of confirmation of some of the things she wanted, but I'm wondering how faithful hearsay from this Bronies doc person can be.

It's too bad I have such middle of the road views here, I'm unlikely to get many yous for saying the show's pretty decent as made, but it would've been pretty cool to get something closer to Faust's ideas too.

>>29563944
>when this blows over
Unfortunately, she probably is under an NDA for large parts of it. In fact, I suspect the reason that we haven't seen her initial concepts for the show (and why she prefaces her post-leaving-the-show statements with things like "in my book" or "in my vision") is that anything she wrote down - even if it didn't get used in the show - is probably still Hasbro property. Even if legal action couldn't be taken, breaking an agreement like that would be career suicide.

At the very least I suspect it will extend until the show ends production, after which anything revealed has no quantifiable value going forward to the owners.

>wondering how faithful
I remember this guy as being reasonably well-verified in other claims, and the multiple sources saying similar things (including the leaks of fragments of the show bible) leave me inclined to believe him as well.

>middle of the road views
Nah, I get where you're coming from. Certainly comfy slice-of-life has its upsides and I absolutely get its appeal; there's very much reason to enjoy it. On the other hand, I think the lack of any serialization of story, character arcs spasmodically leaping forward through a bare handful of linked episodes, and stepping away from all but the tamest fantasy-world adventures, aesthetics, and consequences have been a marked negative.

>>29564065
>After which anything revealed has no quantifiable value going forward to the owners.
What if they decide to make use of it as a groundwork for a G5?

>>29553684
But why should I care, anon?

>>29553684
who

>>29553684

This all sounds tremendously exciting, but let's not forget that Lauren tried to guilt people into watching a film with a strong political message and crappy quality, just to support that message and regardless of the quality.

I doubt someone who puts propaganda over coolness in art would competently handle politics in a cartoon, or even handle a cartoon in general.

>The show is no longer mocking high society

The episode with the immigrant restaurant did.

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>>29555455
Friendly "reminder"

>>29557349

I hope you don't apply this thought to all facets of your life or you're going to have a rough time.

>>29553684
What a cuck

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>>29564966
Jim's a fag though. Nothing he says has any weight. It's all suppositions and assertions and SJW bullshit. Using him as a source is like using Stalin to say communism wasn't a thing

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>>29564995
Remember all the stupid changes forced into the series, like the modern setting, princess Flurryheart and the cars?

Jim could have objected to them but he chose to stay mum and do nothing. So he's as guilty as the faggots who pitched these ideas in the first place.

>>29565261
>Jim could have objected to them but he chose to stay mum and do nothing
Wouldn't he havebeen fired if he did?

>>29565261

there's nothing in his twitter that isn't 100% right. this fandom is full of the biggest pieces of entitled shit ever. i hope you get hit by a bus for even saving that picture like it proves anything, it goes to show what kind of shitty human being you have to be. no, really.

>>29566429
>trying to guilt trip 4chan
Some anons are still angry. I don't blame them.

>>29563697

The EoH are MacGuffins. The search for them drives the plot because they are the reason the characters leave Ponyville. Twilight was already searching for them and just happened to bring along 5 others she had conveniently met the previous day. The actions of the characters are all done with the purpose of getting the magic thingies to stop NMM.

>>29563661

> when the conditions changed

Good job making shit up.

>>29563697

The mane 6 weren't "chosen ones" but they just happened to all come together right after disaster strikes and all have the exact traits needed to wield the elements? The show is not even subtle about the destiny of the characters, and the point is further hammered home in The Cutie Mark Chronicles.

There's also Twilight's cutie mark, a big star with 5 surrounding smaller stars. The only way the show could make it more blatant is if the prophecy at the beginning mentioned them by name.

>>29567121
Oh you're right, everything remained exactly the same.

>>29567178
Again you're confusing plot-driving-characters vs characters-driving-plot.