With Dan VS finally releasing a lot of deleted scenes a month

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>>29363992
>Dan
That show was fucking retarded.

>>29363992
>With Dan VS finally releasing a lot of deleted scenes a month ago
WHAT

>>29364040
Yeah /co/ had three threads about it.

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>>29364001

Got a link to those Dan scenes?

I recall a few. Some are ideas, some are probably "lost media" tier things.

-Faust's plan for a completely silent Big Mac episode.
-Faust's plan for a deer episode with RD being a racist.
-Rarity's meeting with Luna in Luna Eclipsed.
-Larson's original script for Ponyville Confidential.
-Larson's original plan for Treehugger to be a Martha Stewart parody.
-Larson's story involving the Film Flam Brothers being cider bootleggers.
-The original script for 28 Pranks Later that had no zombies.
-The "episode" read at cons in character where Luna is afraid of going to the dentist. Probably never actually planned to be an episode.

Probably more. Can't recall them all.

>>29364150
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNE8aWRkUbw

>>29364150
https://mega.nz/fm/3FETjSwI

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>>29364151

>>29364151
Will Larson ever come back?

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>>29363992
There was a fuckton of stuff that came out with that asset leak around a year ago. The biggest doozy I remember is the Twilight "Graduation" files, which had an entire folder dedicated to them. Certainly seems to imply there was a plan for Twilight to graduate from something at some point - whether the School for Gifted Unicorns or from friendship studies, we don't know.

Otherwise - there was the bit about how Faust wanted finding the Elements to be a Season One-length story arc rather than the 2-episode premiere, but that was apparently killed pretty early on. (Faust also had a metric ton of amazing ideas about the world in general, too many to list here, but it's hard to say how many got remotely developed.)

Storyboard wise, the one thing I remember is how they wanted to have Twilight punch Tirek during the fight but it got cut by Hasbro. It was still in the storyboard sequence though, and eventually got released.

>>29364151
>-Larson's original plan for Treehugger to be a Martha Stewart parody.
Eh.
>-Larson's story involving the Film Flam Brothers being cider bootleggers.
YES.

>>29364198
Do we have a MEGA for the assets leak? Quite interested to see what could've been.

>>29363992
a scrapped script for A Friend in Deed (the donkey episode) had a colt with a crush on Rainbow Dash

>>29364216
They really want to avoid romance for some reason, unless it's a comic flirting like with Fluttershy's brother

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>>29364001
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLpeX4RRo28

>>29364211
Larson thought it made more sense for a being of chaos to be pisses off by basically a super motherly and sweet soccer mom type, but Oliver did a DUDE WEED voice really well apparently?

>>29364190
Larson once said that writers who write Rashomon episodes are hacks and he made specific efforts never to allow one on the show when he was on it. Guess what happened the season after he left? PPOV, the exact shit he hated.

>>29364213
Doubling this. I want to see assets or some leaked old stuff (and cry alot).

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>>29364198
Thread caps?

>>29364198

Wasn't it Nightmare Moon that Twilight was going to punch? Considering the violence between Twilight and Tirek it seems odd that such a little detail like a punch wouldn't be allowed nowadays.

Contrast it to earlier stuff like the changeling fight in Royal Wedding, the mane6 are beating up changelings by the bucketload, especially RD is throwing quite a few actual punches.

Or the S6 finale, Chrysalis beating up Starlight in the harshest display of down-to-earth violence the show has had yet.

>>29364335
For some reason, kicking is much less...visually personal than punching. This applies to a great many other cartoons.

>>29364344

Yeah, I can get behind that, that's why I don't count Rarity's manticore kick in the pilot, or the various other kicks and "bucks" we see. RD does punch changelings though. She's hiding alongside 3 RD-changelings and punch them just before the group descends upon Fluttershy.

Also she's punching them in her dream-sequence, that's just a dream though.

>>29364224
>writers who write Rashomon episodes are hacks

What a weird thing to dislike. I'm sure it's harder to make it really nuanced in a visual medium (way too easy to have somebody look all snidely whiplash like just because the viewpoint character dislikes them), but that just means it's easier to do a hack job, not that the concept is unsound.

One thing I always hated about the novel is that the people interviewed don't just have different viewpoints (both physically and mentally) that resulted in interpreting the same event differently, but they're all actually just lying for their own benefit.

I guess some people find it a frightening notion that, not just their physical senses, but the interpreter of those sense is itself intrinsically unreliable, so they shy away from the idea.

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I can post a bit of the supported stuff I've got, none of these random rumors and hearsay.

This is a good one, and highlights something that you notice a lot when you look closely.
Faust has an idea, but backs down because she thinks it'd be too drastic, or the idea is shot down for being too dark - A few years later the idea shows up to some limited extend is seen in the actual show.

This one for example shows up in Flight to the Finish, where Scootaloo is bullied by DT and SS to the point where she doesn't want to participate in the Equestria Games opening.

>>29364213
>>29364267
>>29364277
http://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/24776866/

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Can't believe no one's mentioned Wonderbolt Academy's original ending (which was cut for time), where Lightning learns her lesson and accepts her demotion--she wasn't even kicked out.

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>>29364364

This one's one of my favorites. Think back to how RD was back in S1, and compare to what she is like now.

Back in S1, Faust was absolutely right, RD would have come across as mean-spirited a lot of the time (Just as she often did towards Fluttershy). Now RD has grown significantly and she's "adopted" Scootaloo as her part-time sister.
A good example of having the cake and eating it, as the end result is better and more interesting than Faust's limited initial pitch vision allowed for.

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>>29364367
Thank you, anon!

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>>29364375

The source for the Q&A is one of the old ones from EQD
https://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/12/lauren-fausts-animation-faq.html

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>>29364384

Faust gave Celestia a vague precognitive ability to help explain plotholes - In the Tirek episode we see this power used within the show itself when Celestia has a vision, making it canon.

>>29364377
Shit. link to the mega not working

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>>29364387

Bat ponies have reappeared once after Luna Eclipsed, in the Nightmare Moon timeline.

There's also Luna Bay on the west side of the official map, which fits the criteria nicely as the bat pony home.

>>29364397
Wasn't Larson's OC a bat?

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>>29364397

I would have loved to see this scene in the show, or something like it.

It's probably too late now, entering the seventh season, but it's always bugged me that while Luna apologized to Celestia in the pilot, Celestia has never herself apologized to Luna. Yet we see from episodes like the season 4 premier that Celestia's pride pushed Luna away, just as Luna's pride made her change. And from the Tantibus episode we see that Luna still very much blames herself for what she's done.

I'm not saying "NMM did nothing wrong", what Luna did was very, very bad. But to pretend Celestia is without guilt sends entirely the wrong message in my opinion.

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>>29364427

We've seen this once or twice around S4 or thereabouts, although I can't remember where specifically. Some mouse or perhaps it was Angel himself is hiding in Fluttershy's mane.

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>>29364440

Can't find the sketch itself, it's probably misplaced somewhere, regardless it's not very interesting.

The name and family structure are the important bits. Also note that Big McIntosh's cutie mark used to have glitter in the early bits of S1. It was changed alongside the visuals and rules for unicorn magic soon after the pilot.

>>29364367
The download link is corrupt... Do you have another one?

It's like you are seeing a poner, but can't touch it.

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>>29364467

Another interesting one.

As is common knowledge at this point, G4 Rainbow Dash takes heavy inspiration from Lauren Faust's interpretation of G1 Firefly, but for legal reasons Firefly couldn't be used as a main character.

The next best thing would have been to have Firefly as RD's mom.

What we ended up with is (in my opinion, a much better option) Firefly as the founder of the Wonderbolts.

Curiously, Dash's coat color is an almost perfect match if you mix Rainbow Blaze's (speculated to be Dash's father) coat with G1 Firefly, so I'm willing to bet that if/when we see Dash's mother, she will remain unnamed and look exactly like Firefly.

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>>29364484

Some background on this:
Twilight was initially going to be Twilight Twinkle, a G3 pony with strong similarities.
Instead, she became Twilight Sparkle, the joke/reference being towards the hugely popular line of teenage smut series of books. Twilight, with it's Sparkling vampires.

Not entirely sure whether Twilight Sparkle is the joke, or if this post by Faust itself is the joke and it's just a coincidence.

Either way, Twilight Sparkle was initially going to be Twilight Twinkle.

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>>29364473
>see a poner but can't touch it

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>>29364495

Kind of sad this scene was cut

>>29364473
I think the preceding threads had new DL links.

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>>29364517
LARSOOON

>>29364520
Which threads, anon? I'm visiting /mlp/ like 1-2 times per 6 month.

>>29364520
nvm. I've found them on reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/mylittlepony/comments/57apw9/leaked_assets_from_2013_and_2015_fixed_clean/

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>>29364517

I think I've linked this more times than the admin of the server, but fyi if someone needs the flash assets, they're here.
http://iwatchitfortheplot.romesilvanus.io/Pony/Flash/Leaked%20DHX%20flash%20puppets/

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>>29364427
>Twilight want to give up being a Princess.
>Hasbro forces them to cut the scene.

>>29364607

Are you alright, Anon? Did you smoke something unsuitable? In what bizarre world is Hasbro even involved in a decision like this?

>>29363992
I immediately think of this>>29364198

>>29364674
>He claims Hasbro don't change the medium.
>In a thread about deleted & altered scenes & storylines.
A scene even with doubt about that decision is something Hasbro would never allow in any products. The length excuse is undoubtedly a cover.

>>29364692

Yeah... You've completely lost touch with reality.

Hasbro does not micromanage. Never have. Probably never will.

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>>29364696
>Hasbro dindu nuffin.
You're not fooling anyone, scum fuck.

>>29364712

I... I'm thoroughly baffled.

It's like you're living in some imaginary world of your own, because in the real world the rest of us inhabit nowhere has that even been implied.

>>29364730
>"Hasbro never did anything to the show; Cadence was always meant to be an alicorn even when the dialogue calls her a unicorn, Twilight always had a brother, even Faust wanted her to specifically become an alicorn Princess Of Friendship™ even when she's asking on Twitter if certain manufacturers did unicorn versions when collecting, Maud actually was in pinkie's S1 flashback, and they never intended to do anything with the Sister's Castle at the start of S4 since they already planned to destroy the Treebrary and replace it with a Castle Of Friendship™ Delux edition for $49.99 at your local ToysRUs.
>Because we all know Hasbro are always putting quality storytelling and writing first, as demonstrated by their live actions films.
>If you disagree with me, YOU'RE the one not being reasonable or grounded in reality."
You have the condescending feigned ignorance of a really dedicated shitposter.

>>29364787

I'll say it again. The world you inhabit seems completely at odds with the one us sane people inhabit. Nowhere in my post has any of that even been remotely implied.

Bear with me, and take off your tinfoil hat for a second.
Hasbro. Does Not. Micromanage.
Case in point, Cadance being referred to as a unicorn (or specifically, her unicorn magic is referred to) in the dialogue.
If Hasbro DID indeed micromanage as they do in your little world, surely they would have changed that part of the script, right?

>>29364816
So you actually are retarded enough to believe that Hasbro didn't push any of those changes through? Okay, you should stop posting here.

And you're example suggests that Hasbro care about good and consistent writing. If that was actually possible they wouldn't hire writers that give characters abilities that were blatantly established as not capable ("But only an alicorn can clone another pony oops looks like Glimmer can do it without breaking a sweat.")

>>29364832
>So you actually are retarded enough to believe that Hasbro didn't push any of those changes through?
Not even fucking close. Try to read my posts, instead of making up an imaginary post you reply to. I believe they pushed the majority or even all of those changes, some of which I've seen hard evidence of (Cadance being one).
What you listed is all macro-level involvement, not micromanagement. Hasbro does not care enough to micromanage.

>And you're example suggests that Hasbro care about good and consistent writing.
Insofar as the fact good and consistent writing makes a better and more popular show and brings in bigger revenue in the long run, sure.

>If that was actually possible they wouldn't hire writers that give characters abilities that were blatantly established as not capable
DHX =/= Hasbro

Oh, and for the record, if you watch the show it becomes blatantly obvious Glimmer can't clone another pony. She can't even clone herself, and barely manages an illusion that's passable at a casual glance, based around time distortion magic and being fast enough to appear as if you're in two places at once.

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FUCK YEAH, SHOW DISCUSSION

>>29364875
If it something that reflects their macromanagement, they'll undoubtedly micromanage-like if a scene even implies to reflect badly on their decisions.

>Insofar as the fact good and consistent writing makes a better and more popular show and brings in bigger revenue in the long run, sure.
>13. Transformers: Dark of the Moon $1,123,794,079
16. Transformers: Age of Extinction $1,104,054,072

And DHX may not be Hasbro but they're blatantly the bottom bitch.

>>29364912
I'm not sure what TF has to do with anything. Hasbro doesn't have a great control over the movies and AoE peaked box office because it took place in China, which China gladly gave money to.

>>29364912
>If it something that reflects their macromanagement, they'll undoubtedly micromanage-like if a scene even implies to reflect badly on their decisions.
Bullshit.

Your first claim was "they micromanage everything", when confronted with a clear example where they didn't (Cadance as a unicorn) you moved the goalpost and say they micromanage only if it reflects badly on their decisions.

So what about Flurry Hearts being born an alicorn? Why wasn't this micromanaged and altered to be less condescending?
>Rarity: But... But... But I thought Alicorn wings had to be earned by accomplishing some great, princess-worthy deed!
>Applejack: Yeah. How can you just be born with 'em?
>Princess Celestia: The birth of an Alicorn is something Equestria has never seen!
>Princess Luna: It is beyond even our understanding.
>Fluttershy: [hushed] That's not very reassuring.

Are you going to move the goalpost again, or can you concede that maybe you don't know what the fuck you're even talking about?

>>29364912
Not the anon you were talking to, but I'm curious about your perspective. It's pretty wicked, man.

If Hasbro micromanages everything, that means that you can't blame a writer if he writes a bad episode, because you'll assume that everything wrong was Hasbro's fault. So essentially all the writers deserve the exact same credit, no matter how many good and bad episodes they've done, because the bad episodes weren't their fault. It also means that it doesn't matter if the show was run by Faust, Meghan or Josh, because ultimately everything that happens is decided by Hasbro. Therefore, you can't judge any different season 6 from season 1.

I couldn't disagree more.

>>29364606
Thanks anon

>>29364367
Images don't work (on desu).

>>29365263
Years old threads tend to have lost the image files. Plus that's from desustorage's time, not desuarchive.

>>29365283
There have been years (even just months) old posts that I've gone back to that suddenly don't work though.

>>29364152
>2:42
Holy shit

>>29364335
IIRC I do remember this being addressed, and they felt that it was out of place for Twilight to do physical strikes like that. Which makes sense if you think about how much she uses magic and especially at that point when she had the power of 3 alicorns. Made for more opportunity to do cool magic stuff

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>>29363992
>Storyboards, old scrapped ideas by Faust, etc
28 pranks later was a scrapped episode idea for season 2.

>>29365358
Quite interesting.

>>29365358
Didn't it become MMDW, given that it's been called that 2.0?

>>29364151
>completely silent Big Mac episode.
reminds me of the dexter's silent episode where a lightbulb was the main problem

>deer episode with RD being a racist.
just like "do or deer": we had an idea, but it never happened

>Rarity's meeting with Luna in Luna Eclipsed.
that sounds like twi's B plan: if talking doesn't work, maybe good clothes. probably cut for the showtime

>Larson's original script for Ponyville Confidential.
what was the first idea?

>Larson's original plan for Treehugger to be a Martha Stewart parody.
no comment. i'll still would laughed

>Larson's story involving the Film Flam Brothers being cider bootleggers.
i would like to see that, but after the AJ placebo episode i can't stop seeing them more like scammers instead of just cider dealers

>The original script for 28 Pranks Later that had no zombies.
please tell me if it was less or more retarded. that was a bad episode

>Luna is afraid of going to the dentist.
sounds like a fan-animation short

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>>29364151
>-The original script for 28 Pranks Later that had no zombies.
Well, duh, they had to change something so people could tell apart MMDW and MMDW2.

>>29364977
>you don't know what the fuck you're even talking about

next he'll tell you nobody on the staff really cares for the show any more. everyone's an expert here.

>>29365393
Go back to Twitter, Jim.

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>>29365283
>>29365312
Yes, Desu is currently broken and not preserving images correctly. I'm not sure if it's deliberately being reduced for server reasons or an error, but it's definitely a problem.

>>29364335
No, it was definitely Tirek.
>Pic related, the actual storyboards

As to why, I definitely remember hearing it was because Hasbro ruled that it wasn't appropriate for the hero to be throwing punches.
>But the attack other stuff in other episodes
Not exactly. There's a lot of little nuances that go into this stuff: For instance, in ACW we never actually see them touch the Changelings. It's heavily, heavily implied, but physical contact with not shown. Similarly, Rarity kicks the Manticore, but it doesn't really hurt it and a moment later Fluttershy solves the situation with none-violence; conversely, Rarity only actually punches Applejack when she's Discorded - i.e., brainwashed into being "bad". The motif of direct physical violence being bad is preserved.

Hasbro probably looked at the idea of the main hero (Twilight) giving a character another character an obviously injurious sock to the jaw and went "nope".

>>29365572
>Ruled that it wasn't appropriate for the hero to be throwing punches.
And not because it looks retarded as hell?

If it was a buck to the face, I could believe it, but a front leg like that just looks like something Fosgitt would draw.

>>29365637
Honestly, I didn't mention that because storyboards are often drawn loose as fuck - meant to give a sense of the motion in the scene for the animators to work with.

If it had somehow made it into the actual episode like that, I agree it'd have been retarded.

>>29365572
>There's a lot of little nuances that go into this stuff: For instance, in ACW we never actually see them touch the Changelings.
I know there's a lot of nuance involved, this is also the reason they never use weapons in battle either (for example in the Sombra timeline they charge in with spears, but are seen actually fighting with hooves. Pinkie and Maud are rock-slingers but never throw any rocks, and so on).

>It's heavily, heavily implied, but physical contact with not shown
It's not, though. It's explicitly shown.

Several examples of physical violence from the real mane6. Dash especially has her slams, kicks and punches connect onscreen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRFNPsH0ZT4

Dash uses her hooves for punching liberally in the dream-sequence, and connects several times onscreen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9N_LtnHiJs
The fact that it's a dream is not an excuse, especially not since the show throughout presents the dream-world as something "real" for lack of a better world.

I think >>29365637 is a much more likely explanation, Dash is almost as much of a main character as Twilight and it makes little sense that she'd be given free reins to do whatever while Twilight isn't.

>>29365738
Fair enough, I'd forgotten about those moments in ACW.

However, I found confirmation it was a call that Twilight cannot punch Tirek: https://twitter.com/mmeghanmccarthy/status/465144750446624768 ; Megan was given a note saying "We cannot have Twilight punch Tirek in the face."

For whatever reason, they apparently felt Twilight versus Tirek was a different enough situation that direct physical violence was not allowed.

>>29365802
It wouldn't make sense for her to punch anyway with all her magic. It was out of place, not a violence issue

>>29363992
>in another universe Dan Vs is still running
>in another universe MLP followed Faust's original ideas
I want to sudoku myself there.

>>29366502
>in another universe MLP followed Faust's original ideas
Most of Faust's original ideas were shit though, like Applebloom being the only crusader for example.

>>29366560
Good point.
>in another universe, MLP followed 99% of Faust's original ideas

>>29366598
>Not they're all followed through with appropriate restraints.

>>29366502

so... ending in the S1 with returning of harmony?

that was the original idea until the jew of hasbro ruin everything

>>29366502
could be worse
we could live in universe where FIM is made in Japan and 80% of porn is censored

>>29365376
>just like "do or deer": we had an idea, but it never happened
Well, duh. Where did you think "Do or Deer" came from?

>>29363992
Faust's interview for the Brony documentary, especially that Twilight would become Celestia's successor
https://youtu.be/d3fFldhsJDw?t=2m42s
>2:42

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>>29364198
I would have preferred Twi to graduate from Friendship Lessons.

Instead we got this garbage.

>>29367229
Didn't one of the guys involved with this interview say in an AMA that the difference even going into S4 was huge?

>>29367251
Don't we all, friend. It would have made a much better "mid series upgrade" for her position - a way for her to move up in life without landing the awkward position of having her be a national authority figure.

>>29366560
hell if faust was still around spike would still be a punching bag
faust is like george lucas has fantastic ideas but needs somebody there to say no sometimes problem is she cannot handle that.

>>29367992
>faust is like george lucas
You know, that's probably an excellent comparison.

>>29363992
>there are people on /mlp/ right now who haven't watched DanVs
Haha, tome for sudoku

>>29367229
Speaking of interviews, I vaguely remember her announcing that she's not barren anymore

>>29364364
>Faust has an idea, but backs down because she thinks it'd be too drastic, or the idea is shot down for being too dark - A few years later the idea shows up to some limited extend is seen in the actual show.
Scum. Yeah, let's shoot down ideas because they're "too dark for little kids", then wait until she's gone, neuter the ideas, and put 'em in! Yeah, that's us being "true to her vision"!

>>29366560
>>29367992
>>29368012
And then there are these faggots. You deserve what we got.

>>29363992
why can't we have more ? even the pinkfluffy x Chrysalis guy stopped.

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>>29370995
Nothing gold can stay, Ponyboy. Nothing gold can stay.

>>29364001
i will fucking fight you m8

>>29367992
>She cannot handle being told no
Enough of this BS lie. It's a known fact that Hasbro were TOO strict with their demands, most staff have said that they scaled back with it for S2 after she quit.

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>>29364517
LARSON

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>>29364150
>>29364181
Oh fuck didn't realize the link was bad.

Here's the actual https://mega.nz/#F!rUM1UIZK!GuiwRg51GgA_FDQnh31Wfg

>>29371417
then why have most of her projects since fell apart there is a common theme here.

>>29371672
Lack of money-making potential, according to focus groups? Is that the "common theme" you're talking about?

>>29370112
>RD literally coming across as a bully
>"too dark for little kids"

Pick one. "Dark" has nothing to do with it.

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>>29364375
I completely missed this. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm glad that at least regarding this they didn't respect her vision.
Rainbow-Scootaloo dynamic is one of the most heartwarming things in this show, and I'd probably hate Rainbow if she was like Faust wanted.

Did the original script for MMC ever be released publicly?

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>>29364198
>Certainly seems to imply there was a plan for Twilight to graduate from something at some point
>twilight without wings never ever again

>>29364910
BEST GIRL

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>>29373273
Thank you for this service, faggot bumping all the shitty threads.

>>29364730
I don't have the time or stamina to debate with post-Faust newfags

>>29364001
DELET

>>29364517
Larson was so fucking based, I wish he would come back.

>>29373389

What's he even up to nowadays?

>>29373477
his books, i think?
i don't know. i don't have twitter so i don't check them so much

bumping for more discussion if there's any