How much ass hurt did this episode cause in the fandom?

>>28859403
Care about what?

>>28859408
about the show BTFOing SJWs and Tumblr

(/mlp/s words on 4 Apr 2015 not mine)

>>28859403
Nobody gave a shit. If you cared enough to notice youd've been there.

>>28859414
If I recall correctly, Tumblr decided that they were the equivalent of the mane 6, the cutie marks were the equivalent of their made up genders and shit, and the rest of the world was Starlight, trying to force them to be "equal". So if what you were expecting was them to see Starlight as a Tumblrina, they didn't, and they liked the episode.

I think it's something good though. Larson and the other guy wrote an episode where the villain was much more developed than the former evil villains, but they didn't make the episode immediately unlikeable for anyone. That's something difficult, and they did it great.

And then came Hackber and fucked up Starlight completely.

>>28859419
>If you cared enough to notice youd've been there.
Fuck you, i was busy trying to kill myself when S4-S6 aired

>>28859455
Did you succeed?

>>28859403
i think you got it all wrong
glimmy was just the opposite of SJWs. she wanted everyone to be equal, yes, but the way she went about it was making everyone excactly the same (read: cisgendered white hetero people).
the whole message of the episode was that everypony should be equal, no matter how different they are. that they should embrace their snowflakiness and be proud of it.

>>28859403
Not as much as last night's ghost pepper salsa.

>>28859403
Asshurt about what?

>>28859459
im dead on the inside now

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>>28859513

Welcome to the club, buddy.

>>28859462

> implying

People dislike SJWs because SJWs cannot comprehend that different outcomes occur because the {races, sexes, ...} are different and behave differently and this is a good thing. That is why their first explanation for anything is always oppression. People dislike them because they brand anyone who disagrees with this assessment is an oppressor, and by extension, an evil person that deserves no sympathy. If we get rid of {cutie marks, hetero white men} then all the problems are solved!

Like Starlight, who was upset that cutie marks produced a different outcome for herself and Sunburst, they believe that reality should bend to them rather than they bend to reality, and they don't care what has to be destroyed to make it so.

>>28859403

> as if tumblr is capable of self-awareness

>>28859462
I immediately though it was SJWs too. The dialog heavily implied it
>everyone is equal
>your not better than your friends or anypone else
>How can you be friends if you have different opinions?

>>28859403
Starlight redemption did actually hurt more than that ep...because the finale really sucked at it. I´m not offended by Starlight itself becuase she went too polarized between those episodes(the difference of writing between Larson and Haber shows)

as for the Cutie Map itself,it marked a point where Larson decided to parody 1984 and good job for that.

TLDR:I have more problems with the s5 finale than the premiere and Starlight

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>>28859403
Something something communism blah blah

>>28859403
No one cared

>>28859403
None at all. The only people who were even slightly mad completely missed the point of the episode.

>>28859403
Everyone liked that episode

>>28859403

>>28859403
>socialism must be forced to work
Plasant surprise. Factually correct at that.

>>28859772
"Reality bend to them rather than them bend to reality"

This is essentially the SJW mantra

>>28859772
>different outcomes occur because the {races, sexes, ...} are different and behave differently and this is a good thing
You say that but then you turn around and demand a race war to kill all the niggers.

Fuck stormfaggots, you're as bad as SJWs. You're both racists, just against different groups.

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>>28859788
SJW's definition of "equal" is different from Glimmer's.

Your average Tumblrite will take "equality" to (nominally) mean equal treatment by society at large regardless of race, creed, sexual orientation, cultural and subcultural affiliations, etc. (I say nominally because, in practice, it means they want special treatment for their blatant disregard for social norms.)

Glimmer's "equality" is the antithesis of this. I.e. it's not quite the definition that is normally used in public discourse, which has its roots in Enlightenment thought. It actually refers to a general sameness -- a universal conformity. Everypony is equal because everypony dresses the same, acts the same, has the same thoughts, et cetera. Not because they have innate rights which make them equal under the law, but because the law makes it so they are equal. So it's entirely inaccurate to call her a SJW as the paradigms are fundamentally opposed.

I feel the need to point this out because Old Glim is mai waifu; I get annoyed at people making these inaccurate statements about her and her beautiful worldview.

>>28861154

Don't take it too seriously, both extremes are necessary to bring taboo subjects into the middle ground so progress can be made.

It is thanks to race wingers that race might come to the debate in the future, so we can all be aware that there are genuine differences between gender and race and it will never be a leveled playing field if we outright ignore it in fear it might stir up a race war.

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>>28861236

I've no idea what you wrote nor will I bother reading. I just think that pone gif looks cute and I want to share mine.

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>>28861811
I figured most people wouldn't; it's too cerebral for most of /mlp/.

I commend your taste in pone gifs, anon.

Reminder that all genders are made up; you're an idiot for perpetuating the false notion of binary genders, and SJWs are idiots for churning out new genders at the rate of 5.67 genders/sec

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>>28861953

>Reminder that all genders are made up; you're an idiot for perpetuating the false notion of binary genders


I sincerely hope this is bait.

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>>28861236

I don't see what this has to do with some Anon thinking this resembles SJW. In truth, both ideologies stem from the belief of imparting social justice as means to balance the playing field to acquire equality of outcomes.


Glimmer, unlike SJW is a cartoon character in a fictional world where she is able to take this idea to the extreme, to the point where literally everything is equal and no one is allowed to be anything else, outliers are eliminated. In real life, SJW are simply not able to bring this to reality, although they would in a heartbeat if they could.


You're obviously doing mental gymnastics to, as you said yourself, protect your waifu.

>>28861991
Sex is real; there is only male, female and the very rare genetic defects like XXY and shit, which can be easily grouped as "Other" or "Freaks". But gender is a spook

>>28862007

>Sex is real
>Gender is a spook


Nigga, they are the same things. You think you can be born a male, take some testosterone blockers and estrogen injections and you're suddenly a genuine women? Really?

Explain yourself.

>>28859403
I saw exactly 1 freakout, but I haven't been on Tumblr in ages.

>Your average Tumblrite will take "equality" to (nominally) mean equal treatment by society at large

No, they want equality of outcome, and they want to give particular groups special advantages to achieve that. Taking power away from those who have it, regardless of whether they earned it or not (it is assumed it isn't earned), is an integral part of that. Goodthink is also ruthlessly enforced.

Glimmer achieved equality of outcome by taking power away from everyone, and by indoctrinating everyone to think as she does. Not the same, but comparable.

>>28862007
>>28862018
There are only two sexes.
There are only four sexualities.

Gender is irrelevant to sexual attraction, which is all about your sex and sexuality. It is not as scientific as sex and sexuality.

>>28862030
In response to >>28861236

>>28862035

Excuse me, but I am getting lost. Be kind and answer my questions so I can understand.


If I am born with a penis (Chromosomes XY) what gender am I?

Quite frankly I saw more people on Tumblr upset that S6 had so many male characters. Spike having prominent roles and Thorax taking over Chrysalis' throne was the biggest part that made them upset.

But honestly? No typical SJW Tumblr users watch the show anymore. They were just confused that S7 was being made. They all went to Steven Universe and Overwatch.

>>28862018
>You think you can be born a male, take some testosterone blockers and estrogen injections and you're suddenly a genuine women? Really?
Do you not understand "gender is a spook"? It means gender isn't real. It means "women" and "men" do not exist. A male taking testosterone blockers and estrogen injections can never become a female, as his genetics will define him as XY.

Now the argument of the morality of fucking a male that tried to become a female, or of males fucking males, or of altering your body tissue to create an artificial dildo where previously female genitalia lay is a different matter altogether. I am merely saying that gender does not exist.

>>28862035
this, though I would add that it is irrelevant due to it's non-existence. It is a social construct; all in your head

>>28862051
Your sex is male and can't be changed. Gender is about identity. If you were to identify as a woman you wouldn't be an XX woman though. You're still sexually male and that can't be changed.

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>>28862065

Excuse me, but if your sex is male you are a man whether you feel like identifying like one or not.

What's next, I have to acknowledge some delusional tard thinking his a gold shitting deer his fantasies too?


Saying I identify as an attack helicopter does not make me one.

>>28862078
Sex is the fact of the matter. Gender is society's interpretation of sex. Your personal identification is apart of your gender, but as you point out, that is idiotic. Why? Because gender is idiotic.

If a male identifies as an attack helicopter, then yeah, that's his gender. But he should be hung by the neck until dead for supporting such a ridiculous social construct in such a ridiculous way

>>28862058

My man, you need to stop smoking whatever the fuck it is you're getting, because it ain't doing you no good.


Tell me, if I am born with a male sex, grow up and decide to identify as female, what has changed?

>>28861953
The way I was raised; "gender" and "sex" were synonyms that were used interchangeably. When I filled out forms, they would ask "Gender: M/F" and I would circle "M". It's because "Sex" has two different meanings, so to eliminate confusion, people often say "gender" to specify what kind of "Sex" they're talking about. This phenomenon of "gender and sex are different" is new thing that only happened after the internet became popular. Of course I'm hold enough to remember a time when the internet wasn't popular.

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>>28862105

>Gender is society's interpretation of sex.

Source, now. I am sure Gender interpretation comes from a BIOLOGICAL basis. Which is why gender is observed throughout all cultures, races and even other mammals.


How do you even think these ''social constructions'' came to be anyway? You think they just spawned into air magically? They obviously have an evolutionary basis, it cannot be another other way.
JUST, give a single fact, evidence or source to back your shit up. Don't you dare come back otherwise.

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Did I go crazy, or are we getting raid baited by Tumblr?

>>28862112
You chose to perpetuate the false notion of gender by identifying yourself as something other than what you are.

>>28862117
Actually, you just provided an excellent definition of gender.
>so to eliminate confusion, people often say "gender" to specify what kind of "Sex" they're talking about
Gender is the way society interprets sex.

>>28862134
>Gender interpretation comes from a BIOLOGICAL basis
You are correct. Sex is that biological basis, i.e. XY or XX or the strange mutations.

gen·der
[ˈjendər]
NOUN

the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones):

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/gender

2
a : sex <the feminine gender> b : the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gender


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

>>28862158

I'll ask another way, because I don't think we are getting anywhere.


Do you believe there's any inherent differences between the behavior, physique and psychological need between female sex and male sex people?

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Everyone, you're debating semantics. Gender may or may not be a social construct, but language is definitely a social construct, and you can call pic related whatever word you want.

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>>28862192

No, you silly. I identify as a fucking demonic T-rex, therefore I am and I wish everyone to be punished by law if they misgender me!!

REZPECT MAY AUTHORITEEE

All that matters is what you want to fuck: males, females, either, or neither. Those are your four options, and are based on the reality of being only two sexes.

Anything else but this is completely fluff and should have no impact on how your self identify.

>>28862189
Yes. Multiple scientific studies have shown that females are generally more caring, for example, because a child born to them is biologically more likely to become attached to them rather than their father.

However, the societal interpretation of these differences in the sexes i.e. gender is idiotic.

>>28862212
I wanna fuck horses though.

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>>28862212

>should have no impact on how your self identify.

But that's bullshit. You can't just be male sex and identify as a woman, it's retarded. What's even the fucking point!??

I can't even. I am getting more triggered than the SJW at this point.

>>28862212
read this anon though >>28862058

What if the female we wanna fuck has a fake dick sewn into her skin? Is sex to be the only determining factor here?

Why can't it just be on an individual basis?

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>>28862219

>However, the societal interpretation of these differences in the sexes i.e. gender is idiotic.


Why would it be idiotic when it allows us to easily identify OBVIOUS differences between sexes?

Why is this an issue at all?

>>28862243

A female with a dick sewn into her skin is just that, a female with a dick sewn into her skin. You can obviously come up with a word for it to make it easier to identify, like tranny, but you can't call her a man because that is would be technically incorrect.

>>28862247
Take Saudi Arabia. They use gender to stop women from driving cars, based on real biological evidence that women are better at caring for children; that women are generally weaker than men; et cetera, interpreted under an Islamic society women should stay home no matter what

>>28862260
Yeah, and you say it only matters who we want to fuck, and that should be based on sex. What if I want to fuck females, but I meet a female with a fake dick sewn into her skin? That's unlike all other females I've met; am I to ignore it and fuck her just because she's female?

I opened up a medical textbook one time and saw the entry on "intersex" people. It showed a baby girl (XX) with a nonfunctioning pseudo-penis and a ballsack with no balls, and a baby boy (XY) with a pseudo-vagina and what looked like an enormous clitoris. Then it showed a "true biological hermaphrodite" - a baby with three X chromosomes and one Y chromosome. And you know what that "true hermaphrodite" looked like? He had a perfectly normal penis and one testicle. Apparently, Nature didn't care how many X chromosomes he had. If he had a Y chromosome, he got a penis and ballsack. There really are only two sexes.

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>>28862272

So? Women in the west are allowed to drive, and gender still exists. What's your point here?

The Saudi Arabia issue is a SEXIST RELIGION, not that they believe gender to be real.


>>28862282

Females with cocks are called trannies or traps, do you want to fuck a trap? Go for it, but a women with a penis sewn into her skin IS NOT A MAN. If you want to fuck women only, then you wouldn't be fucking traps because you are not INTO TRAPS.


Jesus Christ, are you guys just pretending?

>>28862282

If you love her, you'll love her no matter what. Even of she has a flap of abdominal skin stretched around a plastic tube and sewn onto her genitals.

just don't forget to inflate it, and hope it doesnt experience necrosis and fall off during sex

>>28862313
>Women in the west are allowed to drive, and gender still exists. What's your point here?
It's a different fucking society, one with a sexist religion actively opposed to women's rights. Therefore, gender is regarded as defining women as unable to drive. It's that fucking simple. Society interprets sex one way; that's gender. Stupid Muslims interpret the female sex as little more than sex slaves: the female gender under Islamic society.

>>28862313
Silly Anon, Islam is feminist now! Muhammed was woke af

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>>28862341

>It's a different fucking society,

First of, calm down. You're the one who brought up the camel fuckers, not me.

>a sexist religion actively opposed to women's rights

Yeah, I know what Islam is.

>Society interprets sex one way; that's gender

Sex is invariable, do you understand this? If you live in Saudi Arabia and happen to be of the female sex, identifying as a man won't change anything. You're not going to magically increase your Testosterone production ten times and grow a fucking cock.


Just because Muslims subdue women and negate them of rights because they believe in a fucking sexist religion, it does not mean gender is idiotic or the issue. It means Muslims believe in a fucking retarded religion.

As long as I get to fuck the kind of person I am sexually attracted to I don't give a shit what your identity is. I know what I'm attracted to and people can call me shit if they want but whatever.

Just because I personally don't want to fuck a man who cut off his dick and calls himself a woman doesn't mean I give a shit if he does, or even calls me sexist if I don't. Not attracted to that and you're the real shitlord if you tell me I have to be.

Basically as long as I am fucking what I like I don't care about anything else.

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>>28862382

A man that cuts off his balls and calls himself a woman, would be a considered a tranny. HE IS STILL A MAN, BUT YOU CAN DECIDE NOT TO FUCK IT.

Jesus Christ, I am sexually attracted to females, this does not mean I am sexually attracted to ALL females in existence, this also means I can decide not to be attracted to FEMALES WITH COCKS SEWN INTO THEM.


Dude I am going to be the one needing a safe space at this rate.

>>28862382
>Implying "what you like" is interested in you
>Implying "what you like" is real

Sorry I'm on a shitposting spree and I can't stop send help!

>>28862379
>If you live in Saudi Arabia and happen to be of the female sex, identifying as a man won't change anything
I never said it would.

>Just because Muslims subdue women and negate them of rights because they believe in a fucking sexist religion, it does not mean gender is idiotic or the issue. It means Muslims believe in a fucking retarded religion.
The way they treat women is indicative of the way they perceive the female sex, that is, gender. Gender is the way society interprets sex. Muslims interpret sex as a distinction between a weak group of people that must be subjugated and a strong group of people that must rule: women and men. This is just one example of why gender is idiotic. Another is SJWs. They interpret sex as a non-scientific thing; something that can be changed by simply saying that you're not what you in reality are, meaning there are effectively infinite genders under the flawed SJW logic.

>>28862425

You have to work to do, get back to it.

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>>28862426

Anon, there's biological differences between the sexes, and thus the genders. Gender and sex is an interchangeable term.

Stop bringing Muslims because their issue is certainly not that they believe gender to be a real a thing, but that they instead perceived apparent conditions of the female sex to be in adequate or inferior, such a being physically weaker (example) these conditions would continue to exist in the female sex despite them believing in gender or not.

An obvious example of how gender is not the issue, is that in the western world women are allowed to do anything a man could do. How's gender then, idiotic once you're not under the tyranny of a sexist religion?

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>>28862078
>you will never be an attack helicopter

FUCK YOU GOD

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>>28862488

Back to /k/ with you, snowflake.

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>>28862494

>there's a board for guns

>a board for cars

>but no board for aircraft

>>28862467
Allow me to repeat this: gender is the way society interprets sex.

Yes, there are biological differences between the sexes, but an idiotic society can interpret those differently, misinterpret them, or interpret differences that are not present.

For example, Muslim society interprets the female sex as unable to drive, for various reasons that mostly boil down to a violation of modesty and a violation of restrictions on movement.

In reality, females are perfectly capable of driving, and there has never been a driving female that was killed by a camel fucker god because she wasn't being transported by a male. The Muslim interpretation of sex ignores actual biological differences in sex.

>How's gender then, idiotic once you're not under the tyranny of a sexist religion?
Because gender does not exist, only being a product of social interpretations of sex. Under current Western society, sex doesn't affect much. The social interpretation of sex read: gender is an egalitarian one. But that can change easily. Look at all the refugees coming into Europe; they're spreading a sexist religion that could serve to change the interpretations of sex read: gender. If we rejected the concept of gender altogether, we could consider issues on an individual basis. Right now, since Western society still thinks gender exists, you have movements dedicated to the progression of one gender/group of genders. This is embodied by SJWs who think any personal interpretation of sex is a new gender and must be protected by law against discrimination.

oh boy

>>28862051
if you're born with a penis, your SEX is male. Your gender depends on how the society you live in determines gender (its gender system). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_systems for a brief overview with examples

And contrary to popular belief, tumblr didn't invent "third gender" -- they just took it and used it for (primarily) special snowflake shenanigans.

>>28862065
I agree with your explanation but the difference between a woman and an XX woman is irrelevant to gender because the second one also includes sex. (In practice, a woman-identifying individual of the female sex would be treated differently from a woman-identifying individual of the male sex, but the way and context you're explaining it in implies a direct link between woman gender and female sex, when that isn't necessarily always true.)

>>28862112
If you grow up and decide to identify as a female, your sex hasn't changed, but your gender has.

Male gender + male sex -> Female gender + male sex

>>28862134
You make an untrue assumption here. We don't identify *genders* of animals (at least not in scientific study) -- we identify sex (the physical, biological differences within a special related to mating). We currently have no way of telling for certain if animals have gender or what those gender roles are, because as far as I know we can't communicate reliably with animals.

https://www.quora.com/Do-animals-have-gender-as-distinct-from-%E2%80%9Csex%E2%80%9D

There is some talk, it seems, of basing animal gender on roles, but then the issue is where to draw the line between "social role" and "gender role", if we could even ask the ants what they identify as -- aaand you can see where it gets a bit ridiculous to try to apply human gender to non-human animals.

The other anon is using a social constructivist view of gender (which I personally agree with) -- that there is no inherent truth to gender, besides that which societies give to it. Any info about it you'd find there.

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>>28862527
>>28862527

>He keeps bringing Muslims up

Stop with the goatfuckers, now.
---
Gender is just a word used to identify humans from a specific sex. You literally have to believe sex does not carry with it implied distinct biological differences that affect everything of the individual in order to believe gender is not real.
In order for you to believe gender is not real, you would have to believe there’s no innate differences between the sexes, which is simply not true. (I am not taking merely about physical traits here, but things like brain structure which do affect cognition, behavior and social interaction).

>If we could reject the concept of gender altogether, we could consider issues on an individual basis.

But you can’t, because gender is real and there’ll never be a need to give a man the morning after pill just because he happens to identify as a women and is scared he might get pregnant. What individual issues do you speak off anyway?


>This is embodied by SJWs who think any personal interpretation of sex is a new gender and must be protected by law against discrimination.

Which is incredibly retarded.
I just don't get you at all. You are making gender the issue when it is a mere commodity for us to easily identify humans of different sexes. The progress forward is to realize there's inherent differences between the genders and bring the up so we can give people equal rights, not merely claim everyone is the same just because we fucking feel like it, and if you are a man and suddenly want to be a women, oh well then you go for it!


It's incredibly silly.

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>>28862587

You seem to be very educated. How many degrees do you have?

>>28862587
this

>>28862612
>Stop with the goatfuckers, now.
sorry man, they have fucked up genders

>Gender is just a word used to identify humans from a specific sex. You literally have to believe sex does not carry with it implied distinct biological differences that affect everything of the individual in order to believe gender is not real.
See >>28862158
Gender is the way society interprets sex.

>What individual issues do you speak off anyway?
you told not to mention goatfuckers

>Which is incredibly retarded.
Agreed

>not merely claim everyone is the same just because we fucking feel like it, and if you are a man and suddenly want to be a women, oh well then you go for it!
I'm not advocating that.

I oppose SJWs. Sorry for the lack of communication if anyone thinks otherwise.

I also oppose Islam, if anyone thought otherwise on that one

>>28862634

>Gender is the way society interprets sex

Explain. I am now a male that identifies as a female, what does society expect of me now that I consider myself to be of the female gender.

>>28862651
Well, that depends on what society you live in. Western society generally accepts "transexuals" because of the pervasive corruption of the truth by SJWs, though you may face discrimination by evangelical Christians more likely to occur in the US than Europe or other centers of Western culture, and by opponents of the concept of gender like me. You'll also be viewed as little more than a commodity by SJWs, despite their "acceptance" of you. Any discrimination you face will be used as evidence for the existence of a patriarchy.

>>28862651

Some can choose to ignore your interpretation of what your gender is. Think of the jokes and thoughts of people here in the US. A lot of people make the joke that women suck at driving. When they use this, they are talking about gender because there is no proof that biologically the chemical arrangement of your chromosomes being XX makes you worse at driving. It is the societal interpretation of the female gender that they can not drive.

>>28862675

I said I identify as a woman, not a transsexual. I want you to tell me what is expected of women and men in western societies.

>>28862696
No, you said you were a male that identified as a female. Society will interpret you as a transexual.

>>28862587
still me

>>28862134
For more info on their view vs others, here's the wikipedia page, I ain't going through the archives for you but the sources at the bottom could be useful. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_construction_of_gender

>>28862158
>Gender is the way society interprets sex.
This is too broad a generalization to be useful. Sex is often a factor in how gender is determined (and the main one in most of Western society from what I know) but social roles (i.e. woman belongs in kitchen, construction is a man's job) and other things can go into the concept of gender. It's a social term, so it gets messier than "penis," "vagina," or "other."

>>28862212
That's *sexual* identity, not gender identity. And it gets more complicated than that. Say I like to fuck female-gendered individuals with dicks, but not male-gendered individuals with dicks. I don't want the dick only, I want the female dick. There's definitely a difference, as seen by the many heterosexual people defending "trap" threads.
see:
>>28862382
>>28862412
for a live-action example of the opposite

>>28862234
It's easy. You have a dick. You say you are female, and present as female. That doesn't mean the people around you will accept you as female, because in your culture (using the US as an example) sex may be a large part of the concept of gender.

The current trend of "identifying as" something is (I think) a move towards making self-identification a larger part of the concept of gender in those cultures. It's an attempt to change the concept of gender. I can see why you'd feel uncomfortable with it.

Pretty decent discussion on all of this (from my pitiful skimming anyway -- not sure on the reliability of this website)
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363.php

>>28862682

This does not explain anything at all. You keep bringing conditions given by society to different sexes based on their behavior, like for example, men are more aggressive than females or they are physically stronger.

This has nothing to do with gender, you could literally attribute being a driver with the female sex, even if they don't identify as a woman.

>>28862615
oh geez, i hope you're being sarcastic! if not, thank you kindly,
just took a few anthropology courses the past two semesters -- if i were doing a degree in it I'd have my book on hand with legitimate citations and more than wikipedia links to give (and wouldn't be putting off my anthropology paper desu)

>>28862715

>It's easy. You have a dick. You say you are female, and present as female. That doesn't mean the people around you will accept you as female

That's because you're not a female. And you'll never exhibit genuine female-like behavior as you do not have female brain structures. Why should people accept you as something you're not?

Anyone else notice that most of Tumblr doesn't even talk about the show now? I've heard a few say they only read the comics and watch EqG, and even then only for shipping material.

They're fans of the fandom, but only their specific section of a fandom.

>>28862715
i love you by the way anon, you really brought logic into this argument

>>28862723
>You keep bringing conditions given by society to different sexes based on their behavior, like for example, men are more aggressive than females or they are physically stronger.
>This has nothing to do with gender
But that is gender, as gender is the way society interprets sex, for example, that men are more aggressive than females or they are physically stronger

>>28859403
Everyone loved this episode because it BFTO communists.

Starting to think the issue here is in English, we have the same words for gender and sex. We say "male" and "female" and both could be either sex or gender respectively.

>>28862723
> you could literally attribute being a driver with the female sex, even if they don't identify as a woman.
Not that anon, but the attributions (being a driver) are parts of that culture's concept of the female gender.
Sex as a term refers only to the biological aspect of an individual. Chromosomes, genitalia, hormone levels, etc.
Gender is a social construct that is often *tied* to sex, but involves interpretation of the roles individuals should play in society. So, as >>28862682 said:
>It is the societal interpretation of the female gender that they can not drive.

(sorry this is probably a bad explanation, i hope it helps some though)

>>28862749


There are conditions that are true to the human sexes. What's the point of debunking gender when certain attributes are going to remain true to the sexes anyway?


So what if you stop calling the male sex a man? It changes nothing at all. It's such a non-issue.

>>28862158

I meant "Sex" can either mean fucking someone's dripping wet pussy with your throbbing hard erection, or it can mean "gender".

>>28862790
Because not all interpretations of gender follow the true conditions of sex

>>28862799
checked

>>28862804

>Because not all interpretations of gender follow the true conditions of sex


Yes, people will have different interpretations of what It means to be a man or to be a woman. That does not mean there are inherent attributes to both sexes and it makes it much simply for all of us to refer to them as man and woman, while giving as much personal freedom as possible (which is what the western societies do).

There's no point in demolishing gender, there's nothing wrong with current roles in society. What, you want to stop people using the words ''man'' and ''woman'' because some people use that to undermine one type of sex with stuff like ''Women are inherently worse drivers''? It will change nothing, people would just say ''the female sex is inherently bad a driving''.

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>>28862525

Someone must pay.

>>28862832
>the female sex is inherently bad a driving
how is that not still a gender role? Semantics wont change it

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>>28862857

You can't unify the female sex and the male sex into one being that can change genders as it wishes. I certainly hope that's not what you're trying to achieve.

Because XX and XY humans are inherently different in both physique and behaviour, and as you said, semantics won't change that.


So what's your endgoal?

>>28862863
>I certainly hope that's not what you're trying to achieve.
It's not.

Okay, I think you're misunderstanding me. Sex is real. That's indisputable, despite what SJWs claim. Gender is a spook based on the way society interprets sex. I consider gender to be a hindrance to society, and propose that we either do away with it altogether, or at the very least, understand that it is not actually real.

>>28859403
>newfag

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>>28862889
So are you a boy or a girl or what?

>>28862889

>I consider gender to be a hindrance to society

Why? Is this about goatfuckers?
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>and propose that we either do away with it altogether, or at the very least, understand that it is not actually real.

Can you not call XY chromosome humans men and still allow them to have a wide range of behaviors they can exhibit, including those expected of the female sex without needing to freaking change the words around?

Doing away with it is not very realistic, and even if that happened, new words to replace the upcoming perceived genders would come up.

>>28862917
im a dude

>>28862918
>Why?
It's actually pretty complicated, but since I think we understand each other now, I'll agree to disagree. As I understand it, you understand gender as non-existent, but a useful labeling system and also too difficult to get rid, for not much reward.

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>>28862936

>It's actually pretty complicated.

That's it? Not even going to bother to explain why you think that?

>>28862960
well, yeah. The argument wasn't about that anyway; it was about whether or not gender existed

>>28862936
>>28862960

I am off to sleep. See you in 6 hours if this thread hasn't been pruned.

Bumping for good conversation

>>28863428
eh, those two guys stopped arguing. I think we should let it die

>>28863505
fair
rip thread, i knew thee well

>>28859403

The only people dumb enough to get mad about it were also too dumb to figure out what it meant.

>>28862005
>both ideologies stem from the belief of imparting social justice as means to balance the playing field to acquire equality of outcomes.
It is not equality of outcome. It is a general sameness. I laid out the difference in the post you replied to.

>to the point where literally everything is equal and no one is allowed to be anything else, outliers are eliminated.
Have you actually been to SJW tumblr pages? They forge their *entire identities* over how much of an outlier they are. The very fat, the very mentally ill, the most obscure of gender identity, et cetera. Normalcy is a cardinal sin; difference is the highest virtue. Again, fundamentally opposed to Glimmer's philosophy.

>>28862030
>they want equality of outcome, and they want to give particular groups special advantages to achieve that.
Wrong. See above.

Wow, I clearly wasn't wrong when I said that post was too cerebral for the plebs here. I did not see a single argument here against the actual content of my post.

>>28863737
dude don't argue with shit posted four hours ago

>>28863771
right. My mistake.

Arguing with anything at all is a mistake, but still.

>>28859772
your post sounds really intelligent and well-reasoned because you used set notation, like a math person!!

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>nobody has talked about the obvious Harrison Bergeron similarity
You faggots would get sidetracked by gender politics.

>>28863737

-SJW do want equality of outcome, is just happens to be that real life ain't as easy as a cartoon show where we are all colorful horses. In real life there's a lot of variation in humans and resistance, you can't just stripe away their will as easy.

-The general ideal of Social justice is to level the playing field as much as possible, this will include denying facts like women are less physically strong than a man so this perceived weakness is denied, it must be, because otherwise this means there's inherent differences between each other and THIS IS NOT GOOD. Another example would be race. Signs that show some races to share a propensity towards a type of behavior, cognitive ability or physical attribute (like Asians being generally better at math)(Black people being good at basketball) or (White Nordic people being the strongest men) are always met with ''You're racist'' accusation, let's not even bring IQ into the topic, we all know how much butthurt that causes, when universities being expecting (under law) to accept ''x'' number of black people into the institution, even if there's better candidates of other races available. (Equality of outcome)


-This general idea of SAMENESS or needing everyone to be the SAME so they can acquire the SAME outcomes is the reason why you'll hear professors in top universities say retarded shit like ''If you are reading to your kids, you should feel bad because you're disadvantaging other kids''.

>http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417997/professor-if-you-read-your-kids-youre-unfairly-disadvantaging-others-katherine-timpf

-Basically, SJW would do away with anything that denies there's genuine differences between humans on a genetic level, which could ever dictate anything about your life. We must all EQUAL humans, in EVERY REGARD. No sex is stronger, no race is better at something, because such things are not even real.

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>>28863737
>>28864852

CONT.


If you don't think an Anon could see superficial the similarities between Glimmer and a SJW (which was what the original debate was about, let me remind you) then I think it is pretty obvious to everyone you're just a Glimfag that doesn't like her waifu being retarded, but should probably come to terms with it.


Now tell us again how smart you are, please.

>>28862996

>it was about whether or not gender existed


If gender does not exist, then it cannot describe the roles a society upon into them, since those wouldn't be real, tangible expectations. Which is obviously not true.

>>28863917

Larson's worship of Vonnegut has come up before as well as the fairly obvious parallels with Harrison Bergeron.

That's usually the first thing that comes up in these threads.

I was kind of indirectly mentioning it when I said the only people who would get pissed off by the obvious message of the episode were too stupid to understand it in the first place.

>>28863771
What are you, stupid? There's no fucking time limit to replying to a post. Calling out people's bullshit transcends time and space and the question of whether they even read it. It is the most important thing in the universe, the crux of all human existence. I'm sure you are just as much of a faggot now as you were eight hours ago, and that fact warrants recognition.

>>28866068

Who do you think you're responding to?

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What the fuck is going on in this thread

>>28866433
Today we learned /mlp /is full of degenerates

>>28864852
>>28864872
You once again missed the point; all that caps-lock and unironic racialism prevents me from taking you seriously.

Have a good day.

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>this whole fucking thread
Member when SJWs and Tumblr didn't exist?

>>28863917
>Harrison Bergero
Never heard of it, but see its from the same guy who wrote Slaughterhouse-Five. Is it worth the read?

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>>28866463

The good ol' days...

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>>28866443

No one has missed anything, Glimmer shares similarities with SJW which some anon pointed out, and you, as a Glimmerfag got your jimmies in a rustle about it.


See you, and your cerebral mind.