How does magic work in this universe anyway? If one subspecies

>>28800431
No, because pretty much all unicorns are next to shit in terms of magic.

>>28800431
Zecora shows that magical talent and ability aren't inherent to any one race. Given enough time and study, any race can become a wizard; or at least a close enough equivalent.

>>28800431
According to show, all tribe have magic - it just express differently :
> Earth ponies can interact with plants and shit.
> Pegasi can fly and interact with clouds.
> Unicorn are just the one that have finer control of what they can do.
From what we can see in the show, spellcasting seem extremely hard. Unicorns average "magic usefulness" seem pretty low compared to the other tribe, it's only a handful of individuals that are miles ahead.
Keep in mind that Lyra or Minuette are enough to be considered "top level unicorns" and be granted a special education in Canterlot. Trixie cheap illusionist stuff was enough to put nearly all the unicorns of PonyVille in awe.

TLDR : Magic is fucking hard for unicorns. The average unicorn is goddamn useless outside of getting a beer from the fridge without getting up.

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>>28800462
>Keep in mind that Lyra or Minuette are enough to be considered "top level unicorns" and be granted a special education in Canterlot.

and it's Agent Drops - an earth pony - who's on Celestia's payroll and the more accomplished between the two.

so much for unicorn superiority.

Magic is implemented by pervasive nanomachines. Control over the local swarm is achieved over the lifetimes of ponies, as more of them enter the body and attach to the peripheral nervous system. Unicorn horns tend to collect a lot of them because the concentrated nerve tissue is so close to the surface. Celestia and Luna are effectively immortal because the machines repair them.

>>28800431
All the ponies have magic its just that only unicorns cam cast spells.

And for some fucking reason they gave twlight a getting used to her wings arc but no getting used to her mud pony powers episode.

>>28800462
I agree in general but in most settings that shit trixie did with the rainbow would put people in awe.

>>28800431
I have a theory for magic, that basically summed up is that magic is a pony's telekinetic interaction with neutrinos.

A neutral subatomic particle with a mass close to zero and half-integral spin, rarely reacting with normal matter.

We have measured this matter, but it requires extremely delicate measuring equipment.

Neutrinos are everywhere at all times, flowing through solid matter like it isn't even there.

My idea is that ponies, through their own magic channels, hooves, wings, or horn, can harness nuetrinos as some form of limitless fuel to power their wishes. The more complex the wish, the more you require spells to control these energies.

>>28800462
Tirek can absorb magic from earth ponies and pegasi, therefore all ponies have magic.

I'm inclined to this idea but with Earth Ponies expressing subtler magical abilities than just planting trees.

I believe that Earth ponies strength isn't physical, it's a magical buff. Just like Pegasi can't physically fly its a scientific impossibility after all. the wings tap into magic to levitate them. Earth ponies can also have premonition abilities. (think Pinkie and Maud sense)

magic emits radiation, unicorns are all have radiation sickness that is why they are so fragile, flying horses have it too but not too much, earth ponies are hulk.

you would die because of radiation if you go in this universe .

>>28800509
I like to believe that Pinkie is on a completely different science more advanced than known magic, therefore undetectable when scanning for know magic.

2 Words:

magical keratin.

ker·a·tin
ˈkerədən/
noun
a fibrous protein forming the main structural constituent of hair, feathers, hoofs, claws, horns, etc.

Earth ponies channel magic with their hooves
Pegasi channel magic with their wings
Unicorns channel magic with their horns

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>>28800509

here's another ability the earth ponies have: magical longevity

it's a simple explanation: pegasi and unicorns die young.
show me an elderly pony that's not an earth pony. and no alicorns don't count.

>>28800541
cough alicorns cough

>>28800436
This, Twilight and Starlight are the exception. Trixie is the rule.

>>28800556
>and no alicorns don't count.

read nigga

>>28800602
Just because he said they don't count doesn't mean that those immoral horses don't exist.

>>28800462
I agree in everything but
>Unicorns average "magic usefulness" seem pretty low compared to the other tribe
The fuck nigger?
Earth ponies """"magic"""" is so damn useless that most of them dedicate to other stuff like fashion, entertainment and just the most ignorant dedicate to working the earth

However, Pegasus are always working with the weather or training to fly faster, because thats what Equestria needs

>>28800480
Not canon

>>28800556
Alicorns are a mixture of all 3 tribes.
An alicorn is an earth pony.

Why they never did anything with that i do not know.

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>>28800658
>He Thinks episodes he doesn't like don't count

>>28800574
Twilight and starlight may be well above trixie but trixie is still well above average.

Shes the most powerful we have seen thats not firmly the stuff of legends.

>>28800744
Yeah, but other than Rarara she is the one we see do magic the most from run of the mill unicorns.

>>28800658
Im sorry anon slice of life happened
>>28800741
You know as much as i hate slice of life if i had the choice i would retcon just the secret agent bit and leave the rest intact.

I would love to take a huge retcon hammer to daring dont though.

>>28800761
I agree Daring should have just been a storybook character.

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>the Elements of Harmony did bring us together. But it isn't the Elements that will keep us connected. It's our friendship. And it's more important and more powerful than any magic. My new role in Equestria may mean I have to take on new responsibilities, and our friendships may be tested, but it will never, ever be broken.

>I studied magic for years too! But what I didn't know then was that studying could only take me so far. Each of my friends has taught me something different about myself! It was their unique gifts and passions and personalities that helped bring out the magic inside of me!

>Friendship connects all of Equestria, and undoing one group of friends made its magic less powerful.

7 years.

7 goddamn fucking years and you fucks don't get it yet.

magic = friendship

friendship = magic

all ponies can tap into magic, yes, think of them as a highly evolved species in the universe that channels it to guard themselves from external threats; dragons, chimeras, etc.

but changelings and draconequeses can use magic too so what makes ponies special?

it's friendship. friendship isn't just a motto of the series, its a quantifiable element that makes their innate magic stronger. ponies with stronger bonds with their friends are able to perform great feats that surpass the most talented, the most devoted of their peers.
friendship isn't just magic:

friendship is a force multiplier in this universe.

[side theory = changelings can't multiply magic when being friends amongst their kind but can only obtain it from an outside source. They can obtain it by either sucking love or multiply their innate magic by being friends with a different species]

>>28800885
That is why Twilight is the Element of Magic but the Princess of Friendship, because the live in a world where they are interchangeable.

>>28800644
> Earth ponies useless
> working the earth
Lame =/= Useless
Pre-unification, Earth ponies where the only one who could grow enough food to survive on their own, the two other tribes where forced to buy from them.

>>28800885
A herd species that has evolved to become empowered by friendship, over time, most ponies began to take the saying as something akin to a superstition. Then Nightmare Moon and Mane Six arrive, bringing the return of the elements or harmony, then the elements return to the tree. Pony magic as a whole begins to become more potent, attracting predators like changelings to take bolder moves in the name of survival. A Canterlot Wedding, The Return of Harmony, Tirek etc, etc...

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>>28801126
>most ponies began to take the saying as something akin to a superstition.

until Celestia decided in episode 1 of the series for twilight to focus her studies on friendship rather than arcane knowledge.

Shimmer, Sunburst, Moondancer, Glimmer and arguably Starswirl went down the arcane path and came up with nothing. Twilight's path was more fruitful. I think the interchangeability of Magic and Friendship is a concept forgotten by ponies and alicorns alike.

>>28800885
T-thanks F-Faust-chan. Please visit /mlp/ again

>>28800431

That one subspecies is capable of doing everything less efficiently than specialists that occupy a still-viable niche does not in any way invalidate the specialists. Starlight can fly, but so can the average Pegasus and it didn't take them years of hard study to figure it out.

Ditto earth ponies, who seem to be very adept at infusing magic into everything around them by dint of straightforward physical effort- they're "fist wizards".

>>28800431
magic is vague concept . it is so easily be exploited by the show writers to handle things.

>>28800462
Tirak absorbed unicorn magic easily.
that means unicorn's magic are on the serface and a bit shallow.
then Tirak after he absorbed so many unicorns magic he began to move to pegasi then earth ponies. then he was powerful enough to move to alicorn's magic.
by that logic.
the magical power of these races are as following
Alicorn's > Earth pony > pegasi > unicorn
unicorn's being the weakest of the the races.
Earth ponies are only rivaled by Alicorn's magic.

>>28803246
cont.
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In my little Pony universe there are 5 forms of magic
>Attribute magic
>Discord and Harmony
>Love and Hate/anger/fear?
>Celestial magic
>Relic and Artifacts
Attribute magic : the easiest way to explain it is to think about it in RPG logic.
Earth ponies spread their attributes points at Physical strength/ Profession points (cooking / fixing / planting)
Pegasi spread their points at agility - speed - wing power - and on their passive walk on clouds ... cloud/weather manipulation .
Unicorns on the other hand got unspent points.
they got passive horn levitate ability .. and that's it. but they are the only one who can improve upon it by studying as we can see Starlight Glimmer and Twilight.

Gifted unicorns can be born and goes to special school in Canterlot.
Gifted Pegasi can join the Wonderbolts.
They still didn't show a high prestigious place for gifted Earth ponies yet.

Discord and Harmony.
Element of Harmony are guiding force to things in Equestria.
Discord is the polar opposite.

Love and Fear/doubt/hate/angry/jealousy
Love is Love no need to expand upon it. powered by friendship. and main feeding source for the changelings.
The polar opposite of it. is what changed Luna into nightmare night. possibly caused by Wendigos

then lastly the relics and Artifacts.
the show did mention them but did not show any of them in action.

>>28800431
How about we mix in 2 strong character together and see how over powered they would be ?

Let's think of Maud Titan magical strong mixed in with the ease of teleportation of Twilight sparkle.

Teleporting bruiser of doom !

>>28803593
What will you do muscle wizard?
>OHOHO THAT IS EASY, I CAST ROCK

>>28803510
I would love to see a highly prestigious place of earth pony, the elite of the earth pony magic !

>>28800462
Wasn't that just regular school that Minuete and Lyra were in? They were in a science lab with beakers and shit. Twi and MD were arguing about science, not magic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiDBimmjquM

>>28800431
Why do I keep thinking Equestria under a fascist ideology?

I'm going to show some earth pony magic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGXlKRsBOoQ

Now that I think about it, we need a compilation of ponies doing excessive amount of magic that exceed common magic use from all the races.

>>28803717
thats an easy list :_

>unicorns
Twilight Sparkle
Starlight glimmer
Starswirl the bearded

>Pegasus
Rainbow Dash
Lighting dust

>Earth ponies
Pinkie pie
Maud pie

It's a fucking cartoon.

>>28801048
>pre-unification, Earth ponies where the only one who could grow enough food to survive on their own
You cant grow shit without good weather, they were forced to give food to pegasi for their job
And to unicorns? Thet just give it to them because they are fucking stupid
If it wasnt because of the ice horses both races should blame the pegasus and let them starve

>>28803246

All this post just to prove a stupid ass point
Your mental gymnastics wont make earth ponies better

You literally refute your own point
>They still didn't show a high prestigious place for gifted Earth ponies yet.
Because no gifted earth ponies exist, they can dedicate to other thing like cooking or fashion but other races can too

>>28804230
No, there's no fucking in this cartoon.

Okay, here comes something for you faggots.
Who the fuck rose the sun in the season finale, if Luna and Celestia were already kidnapped.

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>>28803772
>>28804369

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>>28800431

>>28805069
This.
Magic is whatever the plot needs it to be.

>>28800501
You shouldn't be writing stories then.

Hey, here's a great idea. Let's replace the mysterious Tolkeinesque magic system (that isn't explained and isn't focused upon) with Star Wars Midichlorians. Yeah! Because people love it when mystery and wonder is replaced by technobabble!

>>28805012
i did anon.

>>28800431
Unicorns wouldn't have intermingled with other Pony subspecies prior to the first Hearths Warming like we did with Neanderthals. The cultural differences resulting from horn/wings/obsession-with-mud would have been too much to overcome.

Furthermore, it's got nothing to do with magic, but genetics. The gene for 'horn' doesn't seem to be any more dominant than the genes for 'wings' and 'dirt' if the cake twins are any indication.

>>28800501
I have a theory, it's all bullshit. The writers don't care, and the only ones who ever did magic are overpowered pieces of crap.

>>28806168
Sounds like you're offended by people trying to think how magic could really work, almost like we're attacking your religion.

>>28803634
Might have been magic kindergarden.

>>28804369
>mental gymnastics
thank you I learned new thing today.
..

>You literally refute your own point
They didn't show... doesn't mean it doesn't exists.
Also another question ... What was my point again ?
earth ponies better than other races ?
No you didn't get the point .. my point was
>magic is vague concept . it is so easily be exploited by the show writers to handle things.

the other stuff I mentioned was just collecting all the facts from the show about what magic really is

I mentioned Tirak as an example to make sense of the next point.
>>28803510
In my little Pony universe there are 5 forms of magic
>Attribute magic
>Discord and Harmony
>Love and Hate/anger/fear?
>Celestial magic
>Relic and Artifacts

only the [attribute magic] is speculation. the rest are kinda canon.

I forgot to give examples of Celesital magic and Relics

>Celestial magic :
its the highest form of magic can only be used by powerful Alicorns.
such as Celestia and luna. they can move the sun and moon ...etc
Cadance and twilight cannot use them (yet)
and from that Tirak episode we learned that type of magic can be passed to one another.

>Relics
The Crystal heart is one of these relics.
It can change the weather, add a protective barrier to an entire empire. (from what exactly ?)
Other relics and artifacts were mentioned in Daring Do Adventure books.

>>28800644
>Earth ponies """"magic"""" is so damn useless
Twilight needed to use a spell to push the plow in WWU. The earth ponies didn't have an issue with pushing them. Even though she was a powerful unicorn she lacked the magical strength to tend the land.

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>>28800755
99.9% of the unicorns we have EVER seen use their magic in exactly the same way humans use hands and no other way.

This means that most unicorns don't even have the same level of magical power as a level 1 D&D wizard.

On the other hand, we see tons of random background Earth ponies using Earth pony magical super-strength.

Consider also that people think Trixie's magic show is something unusual and worth watching, in a world where actual magic exists, in a town where a goddamn alicorn princess lives.

>>28803510
That's interesting