Damage control time http://www.equestriadaily.com/2016/ 10/

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>>28700348
>getting worst
Theirs sure is

>>28700348
>listening to anything seth says

>>28700348
>caring about the quality when it's just a show for little girls

>>28700370
>caring about the quality when it's just a toy commercial
ftfy

>>28700361
>>28700366
Both of these

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>>28700361
>getting worst
>getting worst

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>>28700370
Hey that's a super meme, my dude, +1

>>28700348
The show is objectively in a decline, but I don't really care. If it gets too shitty, I'll just stop watching it.

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>>28700348
We're just getting more critical, mlp fim writing is still fantastic as always.

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>>28700348
Both but none
The writers need to step up there game and we need to accept it's not that good and was never that good in the first place

Being critical is not a problim if we have legit critiques but we must remember a show about coloured ponys will not kill us if they make a bad episode

>>28700420
"The show is still good and besides it's never been good" is my favorite meme, because it proves that even schizophrenic people can come up with successful memes.

>>28700348
>The writers are the problem or we are just fucking entitled bitches?
Both

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>>28700370
An A for effort I guess.

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>>28700348
>Getting worst
Man who live in glass house should shit in basement

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>>28700366
Implying he's not one of us oldfags at heart.

Seth is actually a bretty cool guy. And he is responsible for a lot of content aggregation with keeps us alive for the most part.

Alive and well on this never ending ride ;_;

>>28700348
The second one. The bitches.

>>28700348
Both.

I know I'm more critical of the show now than I was back in seasons 1 and 2. I also know it's given me reason to be. What with the stronger emphasis on continuity nowadays, it's no surprise that any disappointing story is remembered more strongly than it would be in a purely episodic series. If MLP is going to try to take more ambitious steps like introducing new main characters and reforming long-standing villains, then the writers should know they have to handle those decisions carefully. It's easy to ignore a bad episode like The Cart Before The Ponies or Princess Spike because the effects don't last. Mistakes like Glimmer's backstory and the transformation of the changelings are different. You can't take those back, and making up for them is a lot harder. The last thing you want is for your audience to notice a pattern where you get the same thing wrong over and over again, and I think that's what happened in season 6.

>getting worst
They did that on purpose, right? Like ironically?

>>28700348
>season one
"It's shit."
>season six
"It's still shit."

Nah, I think we've stayed the same.

>>28700736
>Season 1
It's mediocre. Eh it feels like a cheap flash show, kind of comfy and cute. Nothing really happening in it beyond glimpses of what it could have been.
>Seasons 2-6
Holy shit what is this steaming pile of bullshit, do they expect us to enjoy this obnoxious unfunny parody?

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>>28700370
How can we bar this man from ever having children?

>>28700797
Don't worry, he's his own cock block.

>>28700606
Nice try seth! Go to bed!

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>>28700348
Both actually. Silly OP.

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>>28700348
people are getting retard

>>28700348
Well, last season was really good, this one was not, I think the writing is just getting unstable.

Everything beyond the first frame of the first episode is total dog shit.
Anyone who disagrees is a paid Hasjew shill and should be banned from my board.

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>>28700348
Ever since the beginning of S3 when the show stared to shift, people have been getting more and more critical towards it. I don't like having my expectation too high, but fan reaction was extremely annoying and too critical back then like people currently are with Josh Haber it was almost as I couldn't say I like an episode such as Power Ponies without people calling me a faggot for liking it. I was a little too sensitive back then but I will admit I was being a faggot myself. reality check compared to how it is now, it's more tolerable.


I don't think the show is getting bad to the point I want to drop it, But there are some writers I wish never stepped foot on MLP because they always made bad episodes.

>>28701034
Is Dave Rapp one of them?

>>28701034
Maybe because Season 6 was fully made out of newfag writers and comepletely without Larson, Rogers or McCarthy who kept it consistent without fully flanderising the characters?

>>28701034
Power Ponies was a decent episode Anon

>>28701738
Go back to equestria daily.

>>28700348
Yes we're entitled bitches, how dare we want the show to be better, the show so many of us fell in love with, how dare we not control our emotions when consuming it and wanting to figure out why we feel the way we do.

Fuck off OP.

>>28700348
This is the same shit people said in Season 3. It was only when the show rallied in S4 & 5 that these people were able to admit that yes, actually, S3 was weaker. They just go into a defensive crouch.

I'm sure Seth can tell from his view count that the show doesn't command the interest it once did.

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>>28701474
Dave Rapp is indeed one of 'em.

>>28701577
Oh, I can't wait to see that same reaction when we get new writers for S7. I don't need to add salt because you guys will provide it for me, Mr. dubs.

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>>28701941
This. There's still good episodes here and there, but writing quality has dropped a bit overall. One of the same problems is still there, though. Cramming everything into a 22 minute episode that is wrapped up in the last 3 minutes and feels edited for time is still there. My guess is they're being pushed more by Hasbro to do certain things, like add the alicorn baby, which they did after three years.

>>28702211
>That fucking Fluttershy premonition

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>>28702399
I'm still waiting on Flutterbat happening in equestria girls.

>>28702426
I'm still waiting for more porn.

>>28702442
>more porn
Just wait like 30 seconds then, derpibooru has nothing BUT porn now.

All the normal artist left the fandom

>>28701029
(you)

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>>28700348

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>>28701029
here's your guaranteed reply.

>>28702671
Since when did Twilight have blue eyes?

>>28700348
seeing as it's target demography is 10 year old girls, the latter

>>28702891
>newfag

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>>28700348

>The writers are the problem or we are just fucking entitled bitches?

If there's something wrong in the world, blame Trump. Everything's his fault.

>>28701941

Eh I'll admit that Season 3 and season 6 were comparably a step down from what proceeded them. The trouble is it's hard to discuss this without drawing out people that go "Oh well the series spontaneously became shit everyone is just realizing it now" or think that one less then stellar season means that it's all over. The show recovered from season 3 and I feel like that season was way worse then 6, although I really like Starlight and I feel like half the good episodes this season featured her so if you can't stand her there's not much left. A lot of the veteran writers on the staff have either moved on to other MLP projects or have left altogether so a lot of this season was dedicated to both establishing new writers and establishing the most major change to the main cast since Twilicorn. Despite everything I still had a decent chunk of episodes that I really like so I'll live.

>>28701850
what's YOUR favourite then, fag
>INB4 he doesn't reply

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Why are grown men so concerned about a cartoon for little girls?

Why should the writers care about what adults say their cartoon should be?

...oh, yes, that's right: you're Bronies. There's no difference between them and you. And you don't have the right to think you're not Bronies. If you're a man who's so concerned about a cartoon, newsflash: you're a Brony.

Or you can grow up.

>>28703274
>being concerned about the quality of what you invest your time into is wrong
Nice try, Hasbro

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>>28703274
>bronies
>brony
>you're a brony
God, is that you?

>>28703274

What's a Brony?

>>28700348

the riding is sure bad

>>28701577
>without Larson, Rogers or McCarthy who kept it consistent without fully flanderising the characters

I remember when Season 2 aired, people were criticizing these exact same writers for flanderising the characters and ruining the show's charm.

>>28702634
>Nash

I thought that faggot would have an hero'd after all this time of still being butthurt that EFNW died

>>28703274
So those mad about what happens in Rick and Morty, Beserk, and King of The Hill are bronies? Calm the fuck down, nigger.

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>>28703361
>So those mad about what happens in Rick and Morty, Beserk, and King of The Hill are bronies?

...no, they're just mentally handicapped subhumans who should grow up, start thinking like a sane person and rethink their priorities in life. Who gets so worked up about cartoons, anyway?

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>>28703417
>ellipses
You can leave now, thanks.

>>28701698
What a fucking nu male

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>>28703431

...and thank you for proving my point about being a mentally handicapped subhuman, if you're insecure about irrelevant things.

>>28700348
Obviously both.
>Staff writes a good script.
>Hasbro sees it and forces them to rewrite it because not enough toys are being advertised.
>Repeat until their satisfied which is always when the writing is shitty.
>People here complain about this for years, and Hasbro refusing to stop despite knowing it makes it worse makes people angrier.

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>>28703431
>recoloring a meme image

>not completely redrawing it

kys

>>28703479

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense though, there's no correlation between bad episodes and toy inserts.

28 pranks later for example was a fucking awful episode, one of the worst we've had in years, but there are no zombie-pony toys, no rainbow-slobber ponies, nothing of the sorts.

The script for that one never WAS good, there's no Hasbro-enforced toy-promotion or anything of the sorts in 28 pranks later.

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>>28703482
>>28703431

>>meymers

your' welcome

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>>28703467
Shut up, faggot.

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>>28703502
>faggot

And again, thank you for proving my point.

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>>28703533
Yeah don't mention it, faggot.

>>28703533
Welcome to 4chan, faggot.

>>28703574
Being a retard should not excuse you on any place, retard

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>>28702003
>Dave Rapp is indeed one of 'em.
Excuse my faggotry, but it's nice to see someone else who doesn't like that faggot. Everytime I've mentioned him, literally all the replies I got defended him and his 2deep4me sense of "humor". I was starting to think that maybe I was the only person here who doesn't like him, I'm glad to know that I'm not alone.

>>28703580
Again, welcome to 4chan, faggot.

>>28703580
Mayhaps the my little pony subreddit would be more to your liking, m'sir.

>>28703580

>>>/ponychan/

>>28703343
>feels.png

Can I be part of this? :DDDD

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>>28703639
>>28703640
>>28703645
> it's ok to pretend to be retarded

Kill yourselves

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>>28703772
Hey, did you mean to put a space after your meme arrow?

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>>28703788
Not really. Fuck.

>>28700361
/thread

>>28703772
>>28703788
>>28703812
So Ponychan right there.

>>28700348
Little of column A, a little of column B.

People in the fandom (especially the people on /mlp/) HAVE been getting very critical of recent seasons due to how much things have changed in the last couple.

HOWEVER, there has been some shaky writing in Season 6, which can be directly attributed to just how many key writers left between Season 5 and Season 6. Having Haber in charge for the season certainly hasn't helped either.

So yeah, it's a little of both. Things have been kinda shaky recently but people are over-reacting about it and getting overly critical with even good and decent episodes in the season.

>>28703863
What, did you look into a mirror or something.

>>28703772
For the third time, welcome to 4chan, faggot.

>>28703580
So there's something wrong with calling people faggots, but not with calling them retards and subhumans?

>>28704017
I never said there is anything wrong with that you retarded faggots. Just don't use the fact you're on a mene website as an excuse to say stupid shit. That's all.

>>28704049

go be mad somewhere else

>>28702450
>>28702671
Yknow there are such things as jokes right? Not everyone is a dirty troll out to get you, memeing morons

>>28703274
>today on "anon walks into a bar and complains there's alcohol everywhere"

>>28703343
>season 2
>pretty much early seasons that served to establish the personality of characters
>flanderising at this point
You ocnfused development with flanderising. Watch the Legend of Everfree and observe Mane5 who aren't Sunset or SciLight. All of them are flanderised as fuck as one gimmick jokes. Meghan giving Pinkie and Twilight some freak out episodes were a blessing.

>getting worst
>WORST

I don't think the author gets to have an opinion here.

>>28702634
What this guy doesn't seem to understand is that the show is a product. If he makes a bad product, people will not pay for it. If people do not pay for it, Hasbro wastes money on a nonprofitable project. If Hasbro wastes money on a nonprofitable project, they will cut that project. If they cut that project, Big Fuck Miller will be out of a job. Anyone who says they don't have to make a product that people like because it's not "crowd funded" is beyond retarded. EVERYTHING is crowd funded, even the government.

>>28703482
That is redrawn you stupid asshole. Just better than your garbage image.

>>28701034
Agree, Spike's self deprecation and pity party coming out of no where aside, Power Ponies was really enjoyable.

>>28700348
If it was true, we wouldn't watch it.
But we're entitled bitches either way
Literally every episodes we consider NOW 'good' from season 1 or 2 has had hate threads then.
PP still makes me smile, AJ is still a retarded mud pone, RD is still a cunt and Twitwi still makes retarded faces and is my waifu
Nothing has changed.

Wow, this can only end well...

>>28703543
>posts Rainbow Dash
POETRY

>S1 Dis gon b gud, also best 'finale' in the entire series
>S2 Holy fuck a third princess! Its pretty good thou
>S3 Hasbro wtf are you doing? Its fucking shit
>S4 Derpy is back, but why cant i leave the ride? Oh, right, we DBZ now
>S5 Who needs power when you got brains? Base- <ending> well, could be worse, overall still pretty darn good
>S6 Faust? Who gives a crap about faust? Also alicorns, alicorns and continuity breaks everywhere

In the end S6 is only better than S3, and thats mostly cause S3 got only 13 episodes to make itself memorable before dropping the bomb, in other hand S6 was shit all around

At least if we follow the logic S7 'may' be good again, since S1 and S4 were good followed by great 2nd and 5th seasons
Not that i have any hopes tbqh, i just want to wake up already...

>>28700348
It's our job to complain about anything that seems below our acceptable line. If we don't the writers won't ever improve if they are trying to

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Nobody cares, fuck off.
This show is dead and you all are shit.
Fuck you.

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>>28700348
We are critizing a show not meant to have continuity. Faust may have made a playbox for kids but that's all she did.

Why do the cows talk? What are the limits of Pinkie sense? How does plant life continue under NMM's eternal night? How can Equestria deal with villains without having the EoH for a thousand years with no military? Why does Equestria's gem economy make no sense? What makes a train move? What can Equestrian magic do and not do? How is magic classified? Will time alternating lead to stable time loops, or can it with effort lead to alternate universes?

Throw all those questions out of the door, because it's never going to make sense.

If you read the article (which I have and half of you obviously haven't) you would realize that "Go directly to Bed, Do not collect $200" Seth is right on one thing. The strength of the show is in its character interactions. And while it sucks that we don't see the m6 all together like we did before, it's better for the longevity of the show that we split them up into teams to tackle problems. It keeps the writers from having to flanderize a character due to lack of time/too much effort put in other characters.

These ponies still generally behave the same (with a few exceptions, but they tend to snap back under a new director or a rebel writer) year after year. There hasn't been an outright character assassination and I consider that due in part to Faust's show bible.

Someone should steal it so we can make our own MLP. With blackjack and whores.

>>28705642
Good point, why the fuck do they have sapient livestock?

>>28700348
this is sad, even jim told us that he was going to handle the show the way he wanted because they are the writers,and there are children on eqd that still defend them, haber is good but we should get rid of the trash like dusedau,and believe me , I've tried but they just won't listen, hasbro gives them all the liberties to the writters and they just rush everything in the last moment because jim is an unorganized fuck

>>28705677

They have cows for milk and cheese.

They have pigs for bacon. I mean for rooting for truffles.

>>28705916
I mean why the fuck are they sapient yet living on barns behind fences.

It's one of those odd Faust era things that never gets elaborated or explained in anything. Like how for one episode Twilight somehow had a 50's era computer laboratory in her basement.

>>28701698
Who cares? He just writes for the show. He doesn't have to listen to you faggs

>>28700348
Bit of both
Spike has certainly gotten a lot better though.

>>28706091
He loves to listen the praises though.

>>28705971
>I mean why the fuck are they sapient yet living on barns behind fences.

Maybe they're the animal equivalent of NEETs and they just like living that way.

>>28706123
So if I sent him an idea and then immediately praised his work he would be more inclined to use it?

>>28706114
No he hasn't. I used to like him in the earlier seasons but now he's an irritating cunt.

>>28706210
Would you rather have a cunt or a dormat...

>>28706999
That response was meant for >>28706236

>>28704270
But 4chan is the best place for that.

>>28700348

The writing hit bottom when s3 aired, now they are recovering

>>28708235
Applejack's day off was not a recovery.

>>28708235

People with your opinion are in the vast minority, almost everyone I've ever spoken to agree that season 4 and 5 are better than 6.

>>28708369

I bet 5 is the last mostly good season and it's down to Spongebob land from here on in.

>>28708235
Can you cite 5 good examples of recovering writing?

>>28700348
>http://www.equestriadaily.com/2016/10/opinion-editorial-is-writing-in-mlp.html

>seth already fix "getting worst"

lame

>>28708440

People said the exact same thing about Season 3, and the show demonstrably recovered from that before it went downhill again.

There's nothing inherently stopping S7 being great again.

>>28708847
>People said the exact same thing about Season 3, and the show demonstrably recovered from that before it went downhill again.

They didn't even expect it to continue at all, because it was a 13 episode half season just to pad it out to 65 episodes so it could be syndicated.

>>28708847

We need hats that say Make Equestria Great Again.

why do people keep saying "entitled"? That means they are entitled to the stupid shit they do. Self-entitled means thinking you deserve whatever.

>>28708869

That was only really expected before S3 even aired, everyone in the know knew S4 (or possibly a movie) was happening early on. Since DHX fiscal year showed that MLP had been financed, the only thing we really lacked was an official confirmation and a S4 premier date.

>>28708882
as far as i know, there is only one, and it went to the highest donator in an effort to save florida from what ever catastrophe they were in that month.
also i think tara did a few twitter posts on it.

>>28702211
Flutters already got the fangs and at the end of the episode it shows she keeps them

>>28700348
>The writers are the problem or we are just fucking entitled bitches?

Neither.
The problem is simple. The show turned into a sitcom where most of the stuff people loved about the show as the character development, which is a big NO-NO in sitcoms.

Sitcom writers/episodes in on themselves are not bad (Larson is a guy who cherished the idea, so does Haber) but when all of the episodes come down to "What else could they do" instead of "well, we want to show this side of them" or "She wants to be X, let's show some of her adventures towards achieving it."

What does Twilight currently want?
Ummmm....
What does Rarity want?
NEET-it-up, I guess? She's famous, rich and has nothing to do but live on purposelessly.
What does Rainbow Dash want?
She achieved her dream *slow clap*. It meant nothing in the grand scheme of things because sitcom.

On a positive note, it's also why the movie is going to be awesome.
Because you cannot lack these things in a movie's story so we'll get some more of it.

Both. Neither.

I think there are a lot of ways the show and writers have improved since the early days. I think that when an episode is good, it's really good. The highs are higher, and in my opinion the lows are not lower. The lows stayed about the same. The problem is we've seen what the show can be at its best, so why isn't at its best all the time?

At the end of the day I think the writers are afraid to take the mane 6 in any new directions, and they really should switch to some sort of longer narrative arc structures to keep the show interesting while still focusing on the same cast. Basically, if I had a choice, I would do away with the sitcom nature of show that >>28710966 mentioned.

Just to continue to piggy-back off that other anon, most of the mane 6 don't really want anything anymore. They've all accomplished their dreams. Twilight has succeeded as a teacher. This has always been the problem with Applejack. From pretty much the start of the series she has had everything she ever wanted. Now, it wouldn't be that hard to give Applejack some new motivation, but the writers won't do it.

Imagine if, in the middle of this idyllic time where all the characters have everything they want, the fire nation attacked. It'd change the whole dynamic of the show. Maybe Rainbow Dash would be desperate to prove herself again. Maybe Applejack would be eager to enlist to fight for her family. Maybe Twilight would want to fight for her nation. Maybe Rarity would want to...um...upbruptly switch careers and become a detective in the corrupt, mob-controlled manehattan. Maybe these are all terrible fanfic ideas. But the writers need to do something to change the current dynamic of the show. The characters are quickly going from being dynamic to being static, whereas at least in the earlier stuff they'd change at least a little bit.

>>28711120
I don't know about the shake-up of characters.

After all, Fluttershy finally got to a good point this season with her development.
Yet still, Starlight is a perfect example of how you do this without touching the mane 6.
She's a new charcater that is being developed and actually has goals and a story arc of her own.
Coincidentally, her episodes are always the best (except the S5 finale but that wasn't even about her).
Ditto for the story arc with Luna and CMC's dreams, all great episodes because of expanding the respective characters.

I think it would be for the best to replace the main cast entirely but that would make the whole house go crazy.
We'll see what they've come up with for the movie.
Though I think it is pretty much your "Fire Nation attack" with some villain conquering Ponyville/Equestria and them fleeing to some other kingdom to find help.

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>>28700348
>>28700361
>>28700386
>worst
>t

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>"the problem with the show is that everything that could've been done with the main characters has already been done and we need new characters"
>the writers have never used the Mane 5 in a two-parter finale, none of the writers have ever tried to do anything with those characters
>literally not a single fucking two-parter finale ever == everything that could've been done
Brilliant.

And exactly this is why Glimmerfags are cancer.

>>28711311
Well, the season 1 finale was not a two-parter but it used all the six characters, which is why it's the best/

>>28711323
Agreed. That's why I specifically said "two-parter."

>>28711326
Imagine, they didn't even need 40 minutes to use six characters equally.

>>28710966
>when all of the episodes come down to "What else could they do"
This is why I didn't like Power Ponies and similar episodes. They're recycles of the same generic plots every other cartoon does. The show has a great setting and characters with at least a smidge of depth, but the writers would rather go down the same cartoon plot checklist and move on to the next.

>>28711397
How would you communicate something like that to the writing staff? Especially since a lot of these episodes tend to be very popular (A Hearth's Warming Tail).

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>>28700348
Seeing Seth damage control for the show's plummeting popularity and quality and his userbase make excuses is one of the last good things to come out of this fandom.

>>28711397
>Power Ponies
>>28711520
>A Hearth's Warming Tail
Maybe these episodes aren't popular because they recycle generic plots, maybe they're popular despite it. I mean, these episodes are episodes where all the ponies had a role. Maybe that's what people like. I know that's what I like. And I think it can be used easily, even without moving to different scenarios like in Power Ponies or AHWT.

The Saddle Row Review and Newbie Dash were about Rarity and Rainbow Dash's goals. I think it was much more enjoyable an episode like TSSR, where all the ponies had a prominent role supporting Rarity, than ND, where the episode was just about Dash, and her friends were merely background characters barely relevant to the plot.

>>28704875
>>28705187
>>28708369
>>28711533
Here's a (You) to power the doompauling machine. Split it up equally.

>>28711958
>t. delusional brony

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>>28711958
>giving out four (You)s
>"here's one (You)!"
You're dumb.

>>28711958
Sorry you've got /rage against the machine/

EqD has been praising the lukewarm finale like crazy.

While this season wasn't the best I think it's better than Season 3. The next season will have to be worse than this one before I can decide if it's in decline or not.

>>28713710
The finale was pretty good, imo.

>>28700348
can't it be both?

>>28714155
Here is your (You)

>>28714334

(You) do realize (You) don't have to actually say (You), don't (You)?