Starlight Glimmer's redemption is what finally killed this

>>28569824
I can't prove you wrong because you're right. Glimshit was a mistake.

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>>28569824
>prove me wrong
I completely agree with you, though.

no matters, only her episodes are bad, the rest still good (because she isn't there)

>>28569824
Glimmer episodes have been the best episodes of the season (the last one was shitty though).

What's killing the series is that you can't stretch a main character for 6 seasons with virtually zero development and expect good story telling.

>>28569895
On the other hand, Glimmerfags are the cancer that's killing /mlp/

>>28569895
>The S6 Premier
>Best at anything
And if you admit the last one was shit, which it undeniably was, that only leaves the Trixie one. One good episode, and honestly it was no thanks to her.

>Hearthswarming
Wasn't about her.

>>28569824

It was twilicorn
Thats it, just proved you wrong

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>>28569836
>>28569849
>>28569875
>Having this shit taste

>>28569895
>a main character for 6 seasons with virtually zero development
what is the character of you're talking about?

>>28569824
you forgot Twilicorn

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>>28569906
>Glimmerfags pretending their opinion isn't worse than shit

>>28569906
oh i forget that 4chan is full of fags that can't comprehend multiple taste and the subjectivity of a personal opinion, grow you immature shitlord

>>28569824

The dbz fight of tirek with the almighty lord of the worlds, creator of pain, slayer of men princess twilight

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>>28569927
>Calls others "immature" while browsing a board dedicated to adult male fans of My Little Pony.
You're not very clever are you?

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>>28569924
>>28569927
>Your opinions are shit
>We all have different opinions and should be respected :'(
The level of intelligence we're dealing with when it comes to people who hate on glimglam. Make up your mind faggots

>>28569824
If they had actually committed to the new teacher-student dynamic between Twilight and Starlight and made a mirror of S1, it might've worked. Like this it's just wasted potential and dicking around.

>>28569976
>Grouping people together
Besides, anyone who isn't autistic can tell Glimmer is a sociopath who is better off imprisoned and isolated for life.

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>>28569991
Google the definition of a sociopath you antisocial fuck.

>>28569955
why exactly that make me immature, i'm not doing nothing wrong, be immature is do bad things by inexperience, like be an ass with other people, if you think that watch a cartoon is bad, you're behaving like child

>>28569991
My quads will confirm, Glimmer should be given the death sentence.

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>>28569998
You actually think thats what immature means? Also learn how to engrish

>>28569996
Sociopath. A person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.
>Antisocial attitudes and a lack of conscience
Fits her to a tee you Steven Universe fucktard.

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>>28569998
So, you think watching MLP, a children's cartoon dedicated to selling toys and aimed at little girls isn't immature?

>>28569996
dictionary.com:
a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.

>antisocial
She had to create her own society to fit in.
>criminal
She started a cult and sole other ponies' cutie marks.
>lacks a sense of moral responsibility
She thought she had done nothing wrong after mindraping Twilight's friends.

She's literally a fucking sociopath.

>>28570017
>Lack of a conscience
Show me at what point she lacks a conscience faggot

>>28570010
>you haven't argument
>so attack my English
nice ad hominem, kid

>disapproving not having much experience of something
>>here the link http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/immature

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>>28570034
>Starlight Glimmer: Maybe if I had reversed the Fiducia Compelus and Cogeria... Or maybe I added too much Persuadere... What?
>Spike: You're really missing the point here.
>Twilight Sparkle: [sighs] I finally untangled that mess of a spell and got everypony home. It was really powerful stuff. They're gonna feel that in the morning. Now please try to explain to me how in the name of Celestia things got this out of control.
>Starlight Glimmer: Well, it was the first time I cast that particular spell, and I didn't fully think it through. I-I bet if I had reversed—

She's completely clueless and doesn't know what's wrong in her behavior. She has no conscience whatsoever.

>>28570021
is not

>>28569824
>redemption
She hasn't been redeemed, she was reformed. There is a difference. So there, you've been proven wrong.

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>>28570051
I'm not attacking you because I dont have an argument, I'm attacking you because youre a fucking moron

>>28570023

And while that isn't uninteresting, it does ruin any hope of realistic change in her character. People like that don't just change. They can't. So when they do the 180 flip of 'Oh! Now I understand!' with her, it will feel incredibly forced.

>>28570067
How is it not?

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>>28570072
Haha u got em gud mayn
Glimmer is a shit character

>>28569824
Your wrong
It died with Twilicorn

>Starlight Glimmer: [gulps, exhales] I know there's no excuse for what I did, but I want you all to know that I'm ready for whatever punishment you think is fair.
She does have a moral conscience fucktards. You can't say she lacks one just because the shit writers havent mentioned it lately

>>28570116
Didn't she need to be told to say that though basically?

>>28570116
>implying she wasn't pretending to be sorry to save her ass
Glimmerfags are fucking delusional.

>>28570128
Can you prove that?

>>28570074
that's the ad hominem definition, kiddo

>>28570077
>disapproving not behaving in a way that is as calm and wise as people expect from someone of your age
that's the definition, that you take take to say is immature watch a cartoon, but who's expecting that, your mother, my mother is perfectly fine with it, and my father no gives a fuck, you know who is expect that, the society, and if you enough mature(in ironically other definition), the most part of the times the society's opinion is just bullshit

>>28570116
The writers never fucking mention it, because she doesn't have it! What about what she did to Big Mac?

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>>28570155
Holy fuck are you retarded.
I never said that watching MLP was WRONG I said it was IMMATURE.
Watching a cartoon for little girls as an adult is immature, but it isn't wrong. It doesn't mean you are an immature person, it's just immature to do.

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>>28570150
>Glimmerfags
>Implying it's not Glimmerfags saying she's sociopathic to desperately prove that their shit tier waifu has depth

>>28570128
>>28570150
How can you guys just assume that? Even if she was it just meant she wanted to start fresh and be social for a change. So she's not antisocial

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>>28570116
>She does have a moral conscience

>>28570195
>So she's not antisocial

You wrote brought a breath of fresh air the show was missing wrong

>>28570116
Then she continues to brainwash people after the fact. Actions speak louder than words, Glimmer is a fucking sociopath.

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>>28570237
Glimmer is nothing more than a plot device with 0 character development and nothing remotely interesting or relatable about her.

She's still learning how to be redeemed and is dealing with handling issues the way the old her would have. She's not a good pony personality wise but she is an interesting character and I enjoy watching her try to grow.

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I've asked this question a lot, and never really got a clear answer.
Why do people like Glimmer? What is interesting or relatable about her to you?

>>28570300
I think her reaction to what happened to her as a filly was understandable even if it didn't make logical sense.

>>28570300
They just like her for shitposting potential.
Which is why there are so many frog glimmers and 'comfy' glimmers.

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>>28570300
She's a super special snowflake that gets away with evil atrocities because of it, and we're expected to believe that she's a good guy and the best fucking thing ever.

Oh wait, that's why I fucking hate her.

>>28570317
I kinda figured.
However there are a few people here and there who unironically like her and enjoy her screen time

>>28570175
and in what part of my post i say was wrong

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>>28570312
So... you like Glimmer because you thought her backstory was understandable? What the fuck?

>>28569824
She's the new, more sociopathic version of Twilight from S1.

>>28570335
>your mother, my mother is perfectly fine with it and my father no gives a fuck
You are implying that watching the show wasn't wrong, which had nothing at all to do with what I said

Just checking, all of you Glimmer haters hate Discord even more, right? He is basically an even more arrogant and unquestionably shitty than Glimmer is.

All Glimmer really is is a slightly (keyword slightly) more sympathetic character because she actually does want to change and only did that spell because she wanted to prove it. Only at the end did she realize she missed the point.

Discord is a pathetic manchild who I don't see any benefit for the Mane Six to be friends with, or really anyone.

>>28570358
>Discord is a pathetic manchild
I'll take him over Pink Shimmer, thanks.

>>28569824
Glim was a perfect villain... since the writers changed that, she's just a sociopath creep, which is sad because it had so many potential in it.

Don't listen to these "Yu haz shit tazte LOL" idiots.

>>28570358
"Starlight, you should stop killing ponies."
"Why, is it wrong?"
"Yeah, it's wrong."
"Am I going to be punished if I don't stop?"
"It's quite possible."
"Oh, well. I'll stop killing ponies then. Jeez."
"You should apologize to the victims' families, maybe."
"Are you fucking kidding me?"
"Remember, punishment."
"FINE, I'LL DO IT."
Such sympathetic character.

>>28570447
Discord is worse because he wouldn't be ignorant.

>>28570454
Actually no, that makes Starlight much worse. Discord is a jerk. Glimmer is a character who doesn't know the difference between good and evil. Discord can be eventually fully reformed, because he knows when he's acting evil, and he'll stop being a jerk when he cares enough about his friends. Glimmer will remain exactly the same always, because she's unable to know when she's acting evil. Discord is a much better character.

>>28570300
Honestly anyone who says they relate to Glimmer, they are someone to be very concerned about. It's one thing to say they can relate to Shimmer, and that makes sense. There you have a character who has regretted her actions, and moved past it. Starlight's lack of moral compass means she acts like she's becoming good, but really she has no idea what "good" means. It's disturbing to say the least, and she is far from a hero you should support.

>>28570523
This too

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>>28570000
>This is still not checked

>>28569824

I like Glimmer but she needs to be written by someone who isn't Vogel.

>>28569824
>yet another autist makes yet another thread complaining about GlimGlam

kill yourself

>>28573344
Or Josh Haber.

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>>28570116

>>28573373
>It's another 13 year old who thinks Glimmer is a good character because he just started watching the show yesterday
Kill yourself.

>>28570358
>implying that discord is worse than glimmer
>implying that discord hasn't had punishment for his actions
His character is ment to be an asshole
Glimmer has no reason to
>fuck with time
>steal the butt tattoos of other pones caus equality
Discord does he's made to fuck shit up you fag
>inb4 discordfag
Kill yourself

>>28570358
Are you DWK?

>>28573484
But anon, she had a perfectly good explanation to fuck with time, an create a life-destroying cult, without making reparations to the victims of it! It was all because her friend fought with her and left!

Wait, I'm sorry, they didn't fight? Oh, well it still makes sense if she was abandoned.

Wait, you're telling me she wasn't abandoned, she just made no attempt to contact him after he moved, even though the S6 premier proved it was pretty easy to?

I don't think it's physically possibly to justify Glimmer.

>>28573655

If the latest GlimGlam episode is anything to go by, it seems that she's anxious to a ridiculous fault. She clearly has some deal with trying to appease everyone as quickly as possible, and it seems her whole character arc so far is Twilight trying to teach her to not panic and use magic to take the easy route to avoid possible disappointment.

>>28573682
Except she's still missing the incredibly crucial part- the friendship lessons.

If this was earlier in the season, like one of the first episodes, MAYBE it'd be more justifiable. But this is one of the few before the finale, the one where we're supposed to see her as a hero. Where she's supposed to "save her friends" yet we've seen no proof that Glimmer even sees them as such, because what kind of sociopath would do that to "friends"?

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>>28569824
>faggots complaining about it not making sense for the mane six to learn the same lesson multiple times
>hasbro makes new character so dense that it actually makes sense for her to need the same lessons multiple times
>faggots complain more

good ol /mlp/ logic for ya

>>28569824
Starlight Glimmer's redemption didn't killed the series.

What killed it was the series's poor writing and direction, as this season had many episodes that had very interesting premises but were handled like ass.

Miller and Voguel killed the series, not Glimmer. Imagine what could have been if her redemption had been handled by people who cared instead of these hacks.

>>28573711

The problem is she did think that brainwashing them would be friendship since she could manage their time together. Glim's whole problem so far is that she's still following the "everyone wins" philosophy without considering potential consequences. I don't think this episode was supposed to make her seen as a hero, and more as a sign that her story arc is far from over.

>>28569824
But the series isn't kill, and Glimmer is one of the best characters in the show. She's so down to Earth.

>>28569895
The last Glimmer episode wasn't shitty it was great. Many laughs were had. You were right SG's episodes have been the best.

>>28569900
Do they even exist anymore?

>>28573759
Some episodes that feature Glimglam are good, but none are good because of Glimglam.

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I've come to a realization.

>>28573728
>/mlp/ is one person
We have people fighting over Fluttershy not acting like an anime character anymore to this day

>>28573737
>The problem is she did think that brainwashing them would be friendship since she could manage their time together
That's literally the big fucking problem right there. If she can't understand that simple concept that "You don't brainwash friends", then she is beyond repair. It really does a horrible job trying to show her as a friends with the Mane 5. It blows my mind how a character could possibly think that, unless they're "unable to function in society" levels of autistic. And then again, she never quite grasps the "WHY" it's wrong, just "Okay, I guess" like what >>28570447 said. She really doesn't seem to learn anything at all.

>and more as a sign that her story arc is far from over.
Then she shouldn't be given the season finale. She doesn't deserve it because she's still seen as far from mature, she's not ready story wise, and as a viewer, sympathizing with her is extremely difficult.

>>28573775
Well said.

Sadly, she will most likely become an alicorn and the new mane character of the show after this finale.

>>28573835

I hate this excuse, but it's a fucking kids show. These characters are going to have problems understanding simple concepts since they all have the mentality of a kid. It took Fluttershy six seasons to learn that being assertive isn't the same as being a dick. I agree Glimmer doesn't deserve to be a hero yet, but you can't gauge these characters by adult standards of maturity because this isn't a mature setting.

>>28573869
This. Too many people here want MLP to be an HBO show. It's not and never will be and was never going to be.

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>>28573869
>>28573925
But there has to be a middle ground. Can't there be?
Why can't the show just be a good cartoon?
Why can't it be good?

>>28573869
I don't think it's an example of it just being a kids show, I think it's an example of showing a very poorly written character compared to the rest of the series.

Look at Lesson Zero. Twilight had to be reduced to absolute desperation before resorting to control over other ponies, and even then it was just a miscast spell intended to be rid of very quickly. And when it spread, Twilight went to make sure her friends weren't affected. And then she gets even worse when she realizes what she did wrong and starts freaking out.

Meanwhile, Starlight does it on a whim, and in the end fails to realize anything she does wrong, and it ends with a half-assed apology, and all the victims in pain, as well as no repercussion for her actions. At LEAST have it end on her being made to clean the castle by herself, not Spike. I mean, even at the end, she fails to grasp the concept of relaxation.

So what was learned? What did she accomplish? How did she grow? She makes no progress. Not only is she a bad character, but she's very poor for showing Friendship lessons, as at the end of the episode, she very clearly fails to grasp it.

Like there was a way to handle her character right, and they're really not doing it at all. The big thing is that she really hasn't changed, not one episode shows that.

>>28573925
I don't want MLP to be HBO, I just want it to be well written like it used to be. There's still good episodes, but the overall quality has declined because of whatever excuse you want to use. I tend to think because too many people involved switched out.

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>>28573964

The moral lesson is she learned not to case spells on her friends, and Twilight learned Glimmer's an anxious wreck. In the end she learned to hang out with them like a normal person instead of casting spells.

It really could have been written well, but this is supposed to be a sign of being fully reformed as still a sign that she has a long way to go.

I still wish she had a better fucking writer than Vogel and Haber because they keep wasting the potential of her character.

>>28574005

Fuck I messed up that second statement, I meant the episode could have been written better, but the point is to show she's still got a way to go before she's fully reformed.

>>28573963

There is a middle ground, the writing department needs to get it's shit together because they can't seem to decide whether Glimmer's part of the show or not.

>>28574005
>The moral lesson is she learned not to case spells on her friends,

"Today I learned that shooting people with a gun when I'm stressed out is bad.
I totally did not know this before today. I eagerly look forward to what lessons I might learn tommorrow, hopefully without too much death or pain on the part of other people"

>>28574036

As i said, Glimmer has the mindset of a child, she's not going to get simple concepts like "don't cast spells on your friends" like an adult would. She's also still a Super Villain in recovery, so it's a miracle she realized she had to apologize at all.

>>28574060
She has the mindset of a child now that HABER started writing her.

When larson was at the helm she was Intellectually more evolved than a retarded child given how she was able to be manipulative enough and socially competent enough to make a CULT and keep it running.


Haber's Glimmer would have a hard time opening up a pickle jar on her own, hence him Upping her powerlevels to maximum to compensate.

>>28574074

She wasn't that smart given her whole plan revolved around magically stealing the talents and personalities of anyone who disagreed with her basic "everyone should be the same" philosophy.

Still I'd rather have Larson writing her again, because Haber really is fucking awful.

>>28574099
>>28574074
Haber isn't on S7, if it means anything.

>>28574005
>In the end she learned to hang out with them like a normal person instead of casting spells.
No, she didn't. In the end she was still confused with relaxing. (And on a personal note, I just question how the Mane 5 even tolerate her after a stunt like that.)

You're right, it could have been written well. But honestly, I think Glimmer has officially been broken beyond repair with the current writing staff. There were ways to do her correctly. One way would be like what they were starting to do with Sunset in Equestria Girls, make Starlight blend in by showing her being good friends and doing things with the Mane 5, instead of Twilight. A good episode could have been Pinkie and Glimmer doing something together. Instead, we have very little proof to show that she even gives a damn about the Mane 5, she's too attached to Twilight's hip, unlike Sunset Shimmer, who is constantly seen caring about them and doing things. Without that, you just have what Glimmer is, a character who just forces the Mane 5 into the background.

Starlight could have been good, but I feel like that ship has sailed. And from a writing standpoint, it's difficult to salvage her. They should have written her a little more, but instead they really didn't know what to do with her, and it broke her character. I think Jim and Haber will too eager to put their own character creation in the show, rather than write something decent.

>>28569824
It was Twilicorn that eventually lead to shit like Starlight. That was when Twilight was no longer a student and S4 and S5 was build up to Twilight becoming the teacher with Starlight as her student. MMC was a major turning point but it's implications also allowed things to be where they are at now.

>>28574074
Haber's Glimmer would just say some Latin to spawn a dozen pickles.

>>28574074
Starlight was competent in Cutie Map, dare I say what could have been the best villain in the show, and the best season premier since Return of Harmony. Haber raped her, and then buried her with the backstory of "Muh boyfriend"

>>28574111
Sauce?

>>28574123
Honestly she's more likely to turn Applejack into a pickle, eat her, and say "Wait, what, did I do something bad?"

>>28574113

>Instead, we have very little proof to show that she even gives a damn about the Mane 5

That's wrong, the whole reason Starlight even cast that brainwash spell was because she was terrified of dissapointing either Twilight or her friends by not having enough time to fulfill her plan of hanging out with everyone simultaneously. The episode made it clear that Starlight still wants to friends with the Mane 5, and vice versa, but we really should have an episode of them actually hanging out instead of Starlight being out of the group or being too afraid to hang out like a real person.

>>28574157
Bullcrap, she didn't care about THEM, only her relationship with twilight.

There is NO way to think that "Mind raping" someone like that is making your relationship better with them.

>>28574181

Did you miss the whole part where Starlight was afraid of failing to impress Pinkie? She brainwashed them not only for Twilight, but to try and avoid failing any of them.

Starlight is broken yet, she just needs a real writer who will have her actually interact with the cast instead of only having real dialogue with Twilight.

>>28574157
>the whole reason Starlight even cast that brainwash spell was because she was terrified of dissapointing either Twilight
You admit that right there. She doesn't give a damn about the Mane 5, she only cares for Twilight. Again, I say, attached to the hip. You do say "or her friends" and say her plan was to hang out with them, but clearly the only reason she cared to hang out with them was because Twilight told her to. The reason she's rightfully called a sociopath is because she just does things because Twilight tells her, and never understands the "why" part. Again, I go back to how could she possibly see them as friends if she goes around brainwashing people? The fact that was her action, and at the end she shows no signs of regret kinda shows she doesn't view them as friends, just things to deal with because Twilight said. It's disturbing that this is supposed to be a "good" character.

>The episode made it clear that Starlight still wants to friends with the Mane 5, and vice versa,
I just don't see that, I feel the episode made it clear she doesn't view them as friends, just things of Twilight, and I don't think it really did much for the Mane 5 except continue to shove them in the corner because the writing staff hates them for whatever reason.

>but we really should have an episode of them actually hanging out
Yes, I maintain this. There should have been a group episode sans Twilight, and then one other episode of maybe the map sending a Mane 5 pony and Glimmer somewhere. Show them being friends.

>>28574215
hey, they made "Mane six without twilight" work for group dynamics in EQG with sunset and the other 5, they could make it work here.

>>28574215

Starlight isn't a sociopath because she's just trying to impress her mentor, she's a psychopath because doesn't she get that people don't like having spells cast on them even if it's for their "betterment". She didn't even realize her friends weren't enjoying being brainwashed until they had to scream it at her.

This episode probably should have ended with the Mane 5 breaking out of their hypnotism and Starlight having to confront her huge mistake, instead of Twilight just showing up, fixing everything, then forcing Starlight to just apologize instead of reflecting on how badly she fucked up.

What's funny is, What starlight did to them is FAR worse than what DISCORD did to them, and yet they give him way more shit than starlight.

>>28574282

That's nowhere near true. Discord fucking mind broke them and then brainwashed them all to fuck up their friendships. Starlight just gave them a temporary mind control spell that just gave them the equivalent of a bad hangover.

>>28574294
Starlight turned them into her slaves, at least they still had freewill after being discorded

>>28574257
That's what I believe. I admit, I hated Starlight since her redemption, as I thought it was horrible. But I thought the one way it could be done better was if they took a Sunset route (at least for Rainbow Rocks and most of Friendship Games). It was a shame the Mane 5 are reduced to nothing but magic sources and batteries in those, but at least Sunset fits better with them.

Starlight replacing Twilight could have gone a lot better, and she could have blended in the group more, especially since Twilight's just a sue. She wouldn't even need to replace Twilight, just have her doing more things as Twilight masturbates in the castle or something. I mean what else does she do in the series at this point anyway?

>>28574267
I feel like your post is trying to refute mine by saying exactly what I believe.

> she's a psychopath because doesn't she get that people don't like having spells cast on them even if it's for their "betterment". She didn't even realize her friends weren't enjoying being brainwashed until they had to scream it at her.
I mean, this is exactly what I'm trying to say. She's a horrible character because she somehow is physically incapable of understanding that people don't like being brainwashed. She really has no concept of other people, and honestly, that's pretty bad. And she's hardly getting any better.

>This episode probably should have ended with the Mane 5 breaking out of their hypnotism and Starlight having to confront her huge mistake, instead of Twilight just showing up, fixing everything, then forcing Starlight to just apologize instead of reflecting on how badly she fucked up.
And this is another thing I agree with. I also don't like how it ended up because again, it just paints the Mane 5 as helpless victims who can do nothing until their Perfect Purple Pretty Pony Princess must fly in and save her.

>>28574319
This, Discord just removed all traces of their element to cause chaos, he didn't actually harm them. Starlight made them slaves because she's autistic.

>>28574294
>Temporary
>Twilight had to break the spell herself
>The victims of the spell got a bad hangover
>The criminal gets away scott-free.

>>28569824
The problem is, in EG they dedicated shitloads of time, effort, and songs to charting out a redemption story for Sunset. So people love her now

Meanwhile, Starlight only very rarely gets screentime. As a result, people are a lot more shaky on her, she's like the odd one out in the group

>>28574320
at the very least they ended the power batteries bullshit in LOE, problems with the movie aside.

I'd put it below RR but above FG for that reason alone.

>>28573787
replace blooregard with peridot

>>28574320

I'm trying to say Starlight's still struggling to not be the cult leader from her first episode, but her core motivation isn't to ruin her friends but a severely misguided understanding of how to interact with them. Though a lot of her misunderstandings seem to come more from Haber's shit writing then her actual character so I think she can still be saved.

>>28574319
They were only that way for half a day, and the only after affect was a hangover. Discord tried to fucking ruin their entire lives. Starlight clearly did a bad thing, but she wasn't trying to destroy their entire personality or lives.

>>28574294
Well if we're going by what Discord did when he was the villain, Starlight removed their cutie mark magic, locked them in a Soviet-esque brainwashing compound, and almost escaped with their marks leaving them drained of their talents for life.

>>28574335

>Twilight had to break the spell herself
Twilight was always going to come back and fix things, Starlight didn't kidnap her friends or anything.

>The criminal gets away scott-free.
Again, she's their friend not a kidnapper. They aren't going to send her to prison just for giving them a bad hangover.

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>>28574364
You forgot "Destroyed all life as far as they know in their universe"

>>28574364

Well yeah, Starlight's trying to atone for that. Spike and the others still shit on her for that, and she even joins them in shitting on herself too.

>>28574355
Okay, I understand.

>Though a lot of her misunderstandings seem to come more from Haber's shit writing then her actual character so I think she can still be saved.
The reason I disagree with this is because I feel there is a fine line between someone being shittly written, and being a bad character.

For example, when it comes to the Mane 6, we've known them long enough that we can easily tell when something is bad writing, because we know the characters based off of what has been established. Starlight, on the other hand, is barely growing as a character, and so far the only things she has is shitty writing, so when and how are we supposed to find her "actual" character?

If you want to have headcanons about Starlight, that's one thing. Go write fanfiction about her. And that's not some shitty insult, I mean it, she's horrible in the show, if you think your headcanon is better, write a better story that fleshes her out the way you think she should be. I'm doing something similar with Nightmare Rarity. But I feel like in the show itself, there's not enough information about her character to tell when it's OOC.

I'm not denying the shit writing, but I'm saying if you build a character on nothing but shit writing, you're going to be left with a shit character.

>>28574347
That definitely was an improvement in LOE. Each getting a personal super power was a very nice touch to make them mean something.

>>28574370
>Again, she's their friend
Again, I really don't think she is, she only seems to see them as people she needs to hang around for Twilight's sake.

>>28574379
>Well yeah, Starlight's trying to atone for that.
Offscreen? Yeah, right.

>>28574422

I think they can save Starlight's character by actually having her hang out with the mane 5 outside of last minute montages. Vogel and Haber don't seem to get that even Faust had to give the mane 6 a bunch of screentime together before we started truly believing them calling each other best friends.

>>28574370
Funny how Twilight was willing to brainwash Discord to force him to behave, while Glimmer destroys everything and receives friends, forgiveness and a castle to live in.

... actually, isn't funny at all.

>>28574470

Glimmer didn't know she was destroying the universe by breaking up what she thought was just a random group of friends, while Discord knew what he was getting into.

Haber's Twilight is still fucking retarded to essentially leave the autistic kid alone to herself.

>>28574460
I definitely agree, that's one of the reason Sunset Shimmer works so well in EQG, because despite what people say, at the end of the day, at least you see them doing things together.

I mean, just watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOdThTzb_tY

You can easily tell they have a better character relationship than the Mane 5 and Starlight.

>>28574520

The writers seriously need to finally decide if Starlight is just Twilight's pupil or the main 6's new best friend.

>>28574488
Haber and Miller's Twilight.

>>28574569
Honestly I think they made their choice pretty clear, unlike Sunset, Starlight is just Twilight's pupil. However, this creates a big problem.

Ever since Twilicorn, Twilight has been in a weird state in the show. Any possibility of being the absolute center of the show was abolished, especially since Twilight only matter in the season premiers and finales. So it got weird with her in the Mane 6, as she barely did anything in the season, except be perfect. Introduce Starlight, and then attach her to Twilight alone, and nice going retards! You put her in the same bizarre limbo space that Twilight's in.

Good job, Haber.

>>28574646

It seems like the writers can't decide if Starlight's going to be a new major character or if she's going to fuck off into a spinoff with her new main six at the end of the season finale.

Honestly, I hope she does get a spinoff so some real writers can give her a full personality and real relationships if the new writers are just going to waste any of her potential.

>>28574646
>Good job, Haber.
And Miller.

Seriously, why everyone keep forgetting that Big Jim is the one who approves everyone's retarded ideas and even adds his own turds whenever he has the chance?

He's basically handling FiM the same way he handled Ed, Edd n' Eddy.

>>28574676
I think they got chicken with her. They wanted to introduce a new character, then got afraid to use her. Honestly, I doubt she'll be getting anything. Either she'll continue to stick around, or she'll fuck off after this. I'm hoping for the latter, just abandon her. Honestly, doesn't seem like Hasbro was interested in using her, as she's not even in the movie. At least, not in a main role, she could have a cameo.

>>28574691
I don't particularly enjoy giving that waste of space attention, we all know how he loves to bitch and moan on Twitter.

>>28574732

I think Hasbro's planning the inevitable next series since the show doesn't have much left in it.

>>28574488
>random group
She spent a fucking year planning to get revenge, she knew who they were.

>>28574763

How was she supposed to know undoing their friendship would cause the apocalypse? She was living in her own village in the middle of nowhere while season 1-4 were happening.

>>28574779
What did I just say? She spent time plotting revenge against them, to ruin their lives. Did you miss that part? It's impossible for her to not know who they are unless she's literally retarded.

>>28574829

Again, how was she supposed to know that the main 6's friendship is the ONLY reason that Equestria doesn't fall into the apocalypse or a dystopia? She said herself that she refused to believe the main 6's friendship is the literal center of her entire universe since it sounds so ridiculous.

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>>28570300
>implying you have to relate to a fictional character to like them

I like her because she's a rotten, evil, sociopath, and the fact that she's a main character in a cartoon for five-year-old girls is hilarious to me. It also makes her development really fascinating to watch. Is she really learning empathy or is she just pretending to not get thrown into Hell? Considering these are ponies they don't necessarily have to follow our rules of psychology.

>but you're supposed to relate to her

No, pay attention to the music in Every Little Thing She Does, every time Glimmy is on screen they play the scary villain music. You're not supposed to relate to her, you're supposed to find her creepy and unsettling.

>>28574842
They saved equestria multiple times, she would have found that out.

>>28574857
I like Tommy Vercetti for similar reasons, but we were never expected to belive that he was the good guy that deserves reap the benefits of a hero.

>>28574744
They are. I doubt you're going to believe me, but this is what I know.

I follow Hasbro's job openings. Last year, they put up a position for someone to write a new Brand Bible for My Little Pony, and that's all the listing was, along with specifications and requirements. After about a month, they took the listing down, meaning the position was filled. This isn't public knowledge, so they won't say who, but the fact of the matter is someone was hired to write a new Brand Bible for them, something that is only done when a new series is in development. And keep in mind, it does take a few years to launch a line, so it couldn't be anything coming out this year or next year, most likely whatever it is will be seen in 2018. On top of that, over the past few months, they have been trying to hire people to be higher up (directors and managers) of the MLP brand, which points to them trying to launch a new line. It doesn't confirm, it's just the facts and what they could mean. I accidentally applied for a creative lead position of MLP while trying to apply for an internship. Needless to say I did not get the position.

Jim wants to keep this going, but Hasbro's going to have to axe it sooner or later to make way for something new.

>>28574873

Well again, how is she supposed to know that no one else in the entirety of equestria, including their own Rulers, would ever be able to save Equestria except those specific six pones?

>>28574883

People found about that position long ago, that's why I guessed it.

>>28574873
This, if you like Starlight as a villain that's one thing, but it's physically impossible to like her now as the "hero" because she's still far from it yet somehow gets all the rewards of it as if she was here since S1.

>>28574893
I didn't know people knew about it here, last time I brought it up I was looked at like I was talking out of my ass. Perhaps that was just a bad thread.

>>28574889
Oh sorry, my mind must have skipped over your last response. In that case, my answer is they saved equestria multiple times. You don't go back in time and stop people from saving the world, and then expect it to be saved by someone else.

>>28574959
Not him, but as much as I loathe Starlight, I got to play devil's advocate. I assume she was completely isolated with her town bullshit that she just failed to recognize them. I don't seem to recall her recognizing the Mane 6 at all, and she only wanted Twilight because she was a princess, which was obvious because alicorn, which has to be pretty basic knowledge, I'd imagine.

>>28574873
Did you just compare Tommy Vercetti to Starlight Glimmer?

PRICKS YOU'RE ALL PRICKS!

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>>28574344
That might have one or two things to do with the fact that SHE IS THE FUCKING ODD ONE OUT!

>>28574857
I never said you HAD to relate to her, I'm pointing out that what what the mane 6's characters so successful what made them relatable to the audience.

>>28570358
I've always hated the way discord's redemption was handled. though I was never very fond of discord to begin with so take that with a grain of salt.

>>28569895
>Glimmer episodes have been the best episodes of the season (the last one was shitty though).

It really pisses me off they went there after all this supposed development. The Hearthswarming Eve one was really good.

But then she goes and just fucking enslaves everyone again? That was definite shit.

>>28569824
It didn't kill the series, it merely crippled it.

>>28575503
>Principal Skinner being revealed to be a fraud merely crippled The Simpsons
>Flat-out talking shit about the show's fandom and their opinions merely crippled The Simpsons
>Overemphasis on extravagant couch gags to make up for the series' miniscule chance at redemption merely crippled The Simpsons
>A whole heap of new writers that didn't understand the show's charm merely crippled SpongeBob
>Having each character acf murderous/sociopathic at least once merely crippled SpongeBob
>Adding new characters for the hell of it merely crippled The Fairly Odd Parents
>Buring itself into the hatred and then just running with it as a joke merely crippled Family Guy and Teen Titans Go
>Intentionally downgrading the animation and storytelling for no reason merely crippled Arthur
There's a difference between jumping the shark on a televised form of nuking the fridge, and all these shows, plus MLP:FiM, have most certainly been nuking the fridge for a long time.

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>>28570000
QUADS CONFIRM GLIMFAGS BTFO

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>>28569900
>>28569988
>>28570000
>>28570222
>>28570300
>>28575477
>>28576433
>All these numbers say starlight a shit
Where is your god now glimfags?

Oh that's right, she doesn't care about you because she's a fucking sociopath,

What really killed the series was Twilight deciding she needed a student all of a sudden.

Remember "No Second Prances"? Twilight having Starlight as a student is Twilight getting to stroke her ego on a constant basis, and as a way for her to show Celestia that she's good at her job... somehow. If she has a Friendship Student who is performing well in her studies, she excels at her role as Princess of Friendship. Conversely, if her student isn't doing well, it shows that she's terrible at her job.

Twilight could have had Glimmer sent to pony prison to be rehabilitated like ANY SANE PERSON WOULD HAVE, but NOPE, she has to prove that she's still relevant to her Princess peers.

>>28575477
>It really pisses me off they went there after all this supposed development. The Discoord one was really good.
>But then Twilight goes and just fucking mindcontrols everyone? That was definite shit.
So what you're saying is Lesson zero was shit? Or is that somehow ok, because "muh S2"/"muh Faust"?

>>28576465
>Twilight could have had Glimmer sent to pony prison to be rehabilitated like ANY SANE PERSON WOULD HAVE
>Lets put insanely powerful unicorn into prison, surely that won't strengthen her resentment or anger and cause trouble down the road.
The way the show handled it may have not been perfect, but this is just monumentally retarded and absolutely not fit for the show.

>>28576467
Twilight had to be reduced to absolute desperation before resorting to control over other ponies, and even then it was just a miscast spell intended to be rid of very quickly. And when it spread, Twilight went to make sure her friends weren't affected. And then she gets even worse when she realizes what she did wrong and starts freaking out.

Meanwhile, Starlight does it on a whim, and in the end fails to realize anything she does wrong, and it ends with a half-assed apology, and all the victims in pain, as well as no repercussion for her actions. At LEAST have it end on her being made to clean the castle by herself, not Spike. I mean, even at the end, she fails to grasp the concept of relaxation.

So what was learned? What did she accomplish? How did she grow? She makes no progress. Not only is she a bad character, but she's very poor for showing Friendship lessons, as at the end of the episode, she very clearly fails to grasp it.

Like there was a way to handle her character right, and they're really not doing it at all. The big thing is that she really hasn't changed, not one episode shows that.

>>28576495
>absolutely not fit for the show
Having a sociopath character who doesn't know the difference between good and evil doesn't fit for the show either.

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Proper show discussion? In MY /mlp/?

>>28576496
So basically your whole complaint is that she's a sociopath/has hard time relating to others? That is not "bad character", it's just different and perhaps something that you wouldn't expect from the show - but IMO more interesting that Twilight 2.0. Yes, it's harder to teach a sociopath "friendship" - if you want "normal"/"simple"/"clear", then go watch S1 and 2. This is the 6th season and it's good that the show tries to stick with the basic premise of the show but manages to do something new at the same time.

The episode certainly wasn't perfectly put together, but that's not the point we're arguing here.

>>28576501
Why?

>>28576550
>The episode certainly wasn't perfectly put together, but that's not the point we're arguing here.
OK, no. If someone wants to do something "different", "harder", and "new" and he fails miserably, maybe doing it was a bad idea. The point we're arguing is, "was reforming Starlight a bad idea?" Since it's pretty obvious that the writers have no idea what they're doing, it absolutely was a bad idea.

>>28569824
nou

>new character who doesn't steal the spotlight but has a balanced amount of appearances alongside every other main character
>character archetype different to the rest of the mane 6, resulting in stories that couldn't be told if you swapped her out for one of the pre-existing characters

Literally what the fuck is the issue? Autist can't handle change?

>>28576607
Apparently every character that's good has to be completely good and people didn't watch the last episode to completion.

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>>28576607
>new character who doesn't steal the spotlight
625 - To Where and Back Again Pt.1: Without the help of Twilight Sparkle and the Mane Six, Starlight Glimmer assembles an unlikely team of heroes to defend Equestria from the return of one of its greatest threats.
>doesn't steal the spotlight
626 - To Where and Back Again Pt. 2: Starlight Glimmer leads an unlikely squad of rescuers against one of the ponies' oldest and greatest foes in order to save her friends and Equestria.
>doesn't steal the spotlight

>>28570116

This is really just the behavior that someone shows when they get caught to make people sorry for them. It's a trait of manipulators in general.
Someone who genuinely has a conscience would actually make an effort to change their ways and not just go straight to punishment.

Glimmer is literally a sociopath trying to act normal and someone the writers are trying to convince kids that these people can "change". Give me a fucking break.

If you ever leave your basement and meet a real sociopath, they cannot change how they are and never will.

>>28576615

>every two parter must be about twilight because I say so

>>28576576
Ok, so now the issue is that most of the new writers are bad? How did Starlight's "bad character" "kill the show" then, when now, you apparently don't have a problem with the character in itself?

>>28576622
>he posted Twilight, so I'll assume he's a Twifag
Everything turned out exactly as expected: you admitted that every two parter so far has been about Twilight. The other 5 ponies have been completely irrelevant since S2. Now we have a new character, and the finale is hers and the other ponies not only will be completely irrelevant, they'll be gone. We moved from The Twilight Sparkle Show to The Pink Mary Sue Show. So, yeah, that's pretty much stealing the fucking spotlight.

>>28576632
And that is bad why? You yourself said that it was always about Twilight; are you so autistic that you can't handle the change?
>Mary Sue
And why should anyone care about your opinion when you just spout buzzwords without even knowing their meaning?

>>28576625
>you apparently don't have a problem with the character in itself
Sorry, I don't understand the semantic implications here. I do have a problem with her, she shouldn't have been reformed. Do you want me to say that this is the writers' fault and not Starlight's? Sure, she's a character, she isn't real, so she can't do anything. Honestly, I don't know what you mean.

>>28576632

How in the fuck is starlight glimmer a mary sue? She's the most flawed character in the recurring cast

>>28576662
The shit she does that is bad isn't even portrayed as close to acceptable.

>>28576652

>She shouldn't have been reformed
How do you suggest the S5 finale should have been resolved if it couldn't involve talking her out of it, when Glim had such OP powers?

>>28576647
Hey, faggot, look here for a second:
>The other 5 ponies have been completely irrelevant since S2
Maybe, just maybe, I wrote that because it'd be nice for a change to have a finale with the other 5 ponies, instead of Twilight. In fact, it should be pretty obvious that that was exactly what I meant, but
>are you so autistic that you can't handle the change?
I know I shouldn't expect a minimal reading comprehension from an idiot who speaks with memes.

>>28576652
So what you're saying, is that the writers aren't good and the episodes they wrote weren't very good and somehow that's proof that Starlight being a sociopath is a bad idea? What's the proof that this can't be written well, when we only got the attempt by shitty writers?

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Let me throw my two cents into the mix here.
Glimfags need to stop shitposting and actually pay attention for once.
The reason so many people hate her is because her entire redemption made no sense.
She spent an entire season as a villain (a shady, mysterious one at that) and she was fantastic in that role, she made a great villain.
But her entire redemption just stank of garbage. She had already kept an entire town of ponies enslaved for who knows how long, so that was already on the "reasons not to be friends with" list, but then she attempts to rewrite history using a dangerous spell of which she has no idea what the repercussions are accept that she'll get revenge of some sort.
All the way up until her backstory I actually still liked her, she was menacing in the best way and hated the one thing that made the ponies of equestria special-their cutie marks. I would love to have seen more done with her hatred of cutie marks mixed with her power, I had actually hoped the season 5 finale would be her using some sort of advanced magic to steal the cutie marks of the princesses.
But in a span of less than 5 minutes that entire character is ruined in place of "muh childhood friend trauma" as if that's supposed to be reason enough for ENSLAVING PONIES and FUCKING WITH TIME.

Just this once glimfags, give up.
Your precious mary sue made an amazing villain, but as a normal character? After the shitty backstory she was given? She's directionless. The only thing she's good for now is exactly what she's being used for by the writers, to take the spotlight from the mane 6.
Starlight could have been such a great character, what wasted potential.

>>28576670
Ok, so you didn't like that the spotlight was on Twilight? For now, lets ignore that in your opinion there are better characters to steal the spotlight; Isn't Starlight stealing the spotlight just a neutral thing, rather than "hurr, Starlight is ruining the show again"?

>>28576668
Well, they could've turned her into stone, it worked for Discord. But, come to think of it, in the premiere Starlight only used this spell to steal cutie marks. It wasn't until the finale when she was completely OP. So, to be accurate, probably the biggest mistake wasn't reforming her, but writing her as even more powerful than Star Swirl the Bearded.

>>28576689
Well, yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. I don't care about hypothetical scenarios, Haber "reformed" her, and Haber supervises the writers. If the writers we have can't write this well, reforming Starlight was a bad idea, period.
To make it clear, if we had better writers doing a better job, would this have been a good idea? Maybe. But many things would be good ideas with some people and terrible ideas with other people, so what matters is the present. And right here, right now, it was a bad idea.

>>28576726
Are you being serious? I'll reply anyway but, I'm being completely honest, I seriously hope this is bait.
>you didn't like that the spotlight was on Twilight?
No, I didn't like it. I don't think anyone here liked it, I'd even say that not even Twifags liked it.
>Isn't Starlight stealing the spotlight just a neutral thing, rather than "hurr, Starlight is ruining the show again"?
No, it's not neutral. The finale should be balanced, and a character hogging the spotlight is something bad. It was pretty bad when that character was Twilight, but it's completely outrageous that, after 3 seasons ignoring the other characters, they're now replaced.
I don't mind if you're a Glimmerfag. It's absolutely normal if you're happy that your waifu or whatever gets her own finale. But, seriously, I can't believe that you fail to see why this is completely wrong.

>>28576714
It doesn't have to necessarily be the sole reason for what she did, it's just something that stood out in Starlight's mind. The fact that she has hard time relating to others can be partially the way she was born, partially the environment she grew up in and her loosing her only friend could've been just the trigger. It sounds very weak, but you have to realize that you only know what the sociopath herself told you. Maybe she had a shitty childhood or her parents abused her, and this was just her scapegoat and what ultimately resulted in her aversion towards cutiemarks. She was still very young when this happened, it's logical that her actions and memories aren't very rational.

>>28576769
I'm a Twifag, I just don't dislike Glimglam.

The thing is, we've already had almost 6 full seasons with these characters and it's harder and harder to do something new with them. Choosing new, different character(s) for the finale is safer choice. Maybe there could be good balanced finale with all of mane 6, but with nine out of ten writers, this will just be better, more interesting finale...

>>28576813
Fair enough. But the first post in this conversation was >>28576607
>new character who doesn't steal the spotlight
You can try to justify it, but if after ignoring 5 characters for 3 seasons those characters are ignored again and a new character gets the spotlight, she's definitely stealing it.

>>28576850
>after ignoring 5 characters for 3 seasons
RD became a wonderbolt
Rarity started a franchise
How is that ignoring them?

>>28570116
According t psychology inexperienced sociopaths say this and genuinely expect others to beleve it.

You just rprove her to be a sociopath.

>>28569824
if that's what killed the series for you you should have stopped watching right after S1E2.

>>28576850
>But the first post in this conversation was >>28576607
Fair enough. Though this show never really was about "big"/"epic"/"grand" stuff, but it's what the show staff and many bornies want, so that's what they're gonna do. That's why I don't particularly care... S1 is still holding the "best finale" spot.

>>28576864
Jesus Christ, do I have to say I'm talking about the finale in every fucking post? Fine, whatever.

S3 finale: Twilight saves the day, the other ponies do nothing.
S4 finale: Twilight saves the day, the other ponies do nothing.
S5 finale: Twilight saves the day, the other ponies do nothing.

Can you see a pattern here? Does something here ring a fucking bell? Don't sweat it, I'll tell you: five of the six main characters that have done nothing for three fucking finales in a row.

What would be nice? Those five (5) characters could do something for a change. Maybe, I don't know, they could save Twilight or some shit. What do we get instead? A finale where Glimshit saves the day and the other ponies do nothing.

That's stealing the spotlight, fucking retard. Do I have to draw a fucking map for you to understand it, dipshit?

>>28576775
I'm gonna go with the second comment >>28576741 made.

Starlights redemption could have been handled ten times better if the writers had just been more competent.
The way the S5 finale was presented to us showed her one and only trigger to be her friend leaving her, please don't throw in more possible scenarios where one was already presented and confirmed.

It's also important to note that up until that point starlights motivations for what she was doing were presented to only have been twilight's intervention in her little cult setup, so when we finally got to see what had triggered it all it was a big moment for starlight, not just as a villain, but as a character.
Was she abused? Did she get bullied? Did her parents hate her?

But no, what we got was "my best friend in the whole world left me and neither of us ever tried to keep in contact"
There's no ifs, buts or maybe's about it, this was the story that was presented to us by the writers.
No explanation of why they never tried to contact each other, no explanation of how it eventually led to starlights discovery of her powers and her takeover and setup of the cult village, just a shitty "my friend left me" story.

>>28576891

S3 premiere: Spike saves the day, twilight does nothing
S4 premiere: The whole mane 6 save the day
S5 premiere: The mane 6 are saved by randos
S6 premiere: They all work together to save the day

>>28576899
>S5 premiere: The mane 6 are saved by randos
fucking what?

if one character could be said to have 'saved the day' in that ep it was Fluttershy.

>>28576495
I don't care what the other Anon said, nothing is more retarded than how Glimmer has been handled and treated in the show

>"I created a cult and destroyed timelines because I'm too fucking autistic to know how to use a phone book."

Also, how come Tirek deserves to go back to magic jail, and Glimmer doesn't? I bet you'd be thrilled if Twilight's Kingdom ended with Tirek saying he did all that because he missed Scorpan, and batted his eyes and suddenly everyone is okay with him. Because that's literally Starlight.

>>28576910
Remind yourself how the mane 6 get their cutie marks back

>>28576899
Let me rewrite this again, I fucked it up in my previous post and maybe it was a bit confusing. I'm really sorry.

FIVE OF THE SIX MAIN CHARACTERS HAVE DONE NOTHING FOR THREE FUCKING FINALES IN A ROW.

Can you read it? I used caps, maybe that way it'd be easier for you. Oh, fuck it, I think I'll use asterisks too.

**FIVE** OF THE SIX MAIN CHARACTERS **HAVE DONE NOTHING** FOR **THREE FUCKING FINALES IN A ROW**.

Can you get the message here? I'm talking about FINALES. Those are the last episodes of every season, you know. Now, what the fuck do the premieres have to do with anything?

>>28576929

Why do finales matter? It's 2/26 episodes
That's no different to complaining about the fact that there are some episodes where applejack doesn't appear at all

>>28576496
Why did you copy paste one of my posts from another thread going on?

>>28576550
Since that was my post, what I'm saying is she has a damn long time before she deserves to be considered a likable character, yet the writers pretend she already is.

>>28576935
K, I get it. You're completely stupid. Good for you.

>>28576894
But how does any of that make Starlight as a character "shitty"?

If you don't overanalyze the show, you won't care much about any of this, if you DO try to analyze it in depth, why would you get stuck on
>this is what some character in the show said, therefore it's the only and final truth on which it can be judged and there can NOT be anything more to it like trying to read in between the lines

>>28576942

Explain to me in explicit, non-autistic terms why the finale is so important

>>28576935
Not him, but finales and premiers matter because they drive the overall story abd importance of the show. And since S2's finale, the Mane 5 have never done jack shit in any premier or finale, with the exception of Fluttershy in Cutie Map, but they go right back to being helpless, useless victims in the S5 finale. And looks like they're in the same boat this finale!

Even in the EQG movies, they barely do shit. Look at Equestria Girls 3: Twilight Sparkle and the Magic Batteries

>>28576965
>since S2's finale, the Mane 5 have never done jack shit in any premier
That's objectively incorrect and you know it

>>28576813

If they are so incompetent they can't do anything with the main characters it'd be better if they just ended the series and started a new gen.

>>28576948
>How does a shitty backstory make a character shitty?
What does that even mean? He clearly says what the problem is, and considering backstories are foundations of characters, they can make or break them. What if Batman was just a rich kid looking for thrills? What if Dr. Doom hated Reed because he accidentally cut in front of him at lunch one day? When you have a bad backstory, it ruins the character.

>>28576966
Prove me wrong then.

>S2, Mane 5 fail to get the elements, Shining and Cadence save the day
>S3, they only are good for "distractions" in the premier, and are victims in MMC
>S4, they do fucking nothing in the premier aside from give up their elements, and in the fibale they get captured by Tirek
>S5 Fluttershy does something in the premier while the rest don't, but go back to being literal helpless timeline victims that do nothing
>S6 they do nothing, and in the finale they literally get captured and Starlight has to save them

How do you not see a problem?

>>28576813
The only reason it's hard to do something new is because the writers are so damn incompetent. In fact, the problem is not that they can't write new things, they write too much new things before they're ready.

Like giving up the elements for Rainbow Power. What did that do? Nothing. The tree is forgotten about already. So is Rainbow Power, before anything was done with it.

And the map? Just a tool to send ponies places, replaced quickly with Starlight.

The problem isn't that it's hard to write new things, they just need to stop jumping around. And don't say toy mandates did this, Starlight is the writers fault. Forgetting about the Tree of Harmony is the writers fault.

>>28576981
I'm asking how does not having her backstory spelled out, analyzed and explored in depth on screen make her shitty character. The only thing we know is what Starlight blames, but that doesn't make it the final complete cause. They probably just didn't do it for narrative and other reasons, maybe because any "good" reasons would be too heavy for the show, or hard to relate to the younger audience and this was the best the could come up with. It's not great, but it leaves plenty room for good backstory and doesn't make her character unbelievable or unrealistic.

Can we at leat agree that S06's writing and directing teams fucked up big time?

I mean, even the ones who dislike Starlight to death at least tend to agree she was a good villain and it was her post-redemption self what made them hate her.

>>28576995
>they do fucking nothing in the premier aside from give up their elements
>they do nothing but resolve the problem in the episode
wow anon yo usure showed me

>>28577015
You have a serious lack of understanding when it comes to character development in cartoons.

>>28577021
>I mean, even the ones who dislike Starlight to death at least tend to agree she was a good villain and it was her post-redemption self what made them hate her.
I completely agree. Starlight was absolutely fantastic in the S5 premiere, but ever since season 6 started I like her less and less after each episode and right now I despise her.

>>28577015
You can come up with any headcanon you'd like, and go write fiction about how things really went. And if that makes her more justifiable, good job. But as it stands, with what is presented in the show, it's not enough.

It was enough with Luna because she barely did anything "bad". Her plan was to cast eternap night. In a kids show, pretty easy to make that okay, nobody complains about her being redeemed, because on the scale of a kids cartoon, her backstory and the actions she committed scale rather well.

With Starlight, that scale is completely off. You can't create a character that does evil acts as bad as destroying timelines and lives and creates a cult, and have her backstory just be "muh friend" it doesn't add up. I go back to how bad it'd be if Tirek did something like that. "I only blew up your castle because I missed my brother, Twilight..." the actioms commited are too evil to be justified by the backstory, it does not add up.

>>28577027
If you think that was a meaningful contribution and made them mean everything, especially when the name of the episode is PRINCESS TWILIGHT SPARKLE, and they do nothing at all for the rest of it, I don't know what to tell you.

>/mlp/ can't comprehend the concept of total forgiveness

is this atheist central?

>>28577072
I'm going to shoot up Cheerilee's classroom, my only reason will be >that fee when no gf, apologize half heartedly to the families, bury the bodies and clean up the classroom, and they'll probably make me a fucking Princess.

>>28576995
>S3, they only are good for "distractions" in the premier, and are victims in MMC
they're the ones who solve each other's problems in MMC, while Twilight does nothing but sing songs. this is why Larson said Twilight didn't really earn her wings in that episode.

>>28577096
>bury the bodies and clean up the classroom
>not making Spike do it
You've learned nothing.

>>28577109
That's right, I forgot I don't even have to make an attempt to clean up.

>>28577101
Yet she still does get wings and the Mane 5 get nothing.

>Hey Twilight, all you did was fix something you screwed up, here's a grand award!

>>28577060
>with what is presented in the show, it's not enough
Then try reading in between the lines. If something like this was in a more serious show like GoT, would you think "what a terrible character", or "there's probably more to it then what we see"?

You seem like that Daring Do convention guy, who would be complaining about reality not being believable enough.

>>28577121
>Yet she still does get wings and the Mane 5 get nothing.
>shifting the goalposts
Not him, but fuck you.

>>28577072
>total forgiveness
This caused WWII. Total forgiveness is inhumane and outright evil to demand. Only animals don't learn from the past and change to stop any recursion.

>>28577121
>Yet she still does get wings and the Mane 5 get nothing.

by that logic, S4 finale counts as a Mane 5 episode because they all got rewarded with Rainbow Power.

even though they clearly did nothing useful against Tirek.

>>28577145
>This caused WWII.
Are you literally retarded? WWII was caused by the exact fucking opposite. The allies (lead by the French) fucked Germany hard after WWI with reparations and shit, which was a major cause of WWII.

>>28577130
You can't have it both ways. If you ask people to read between the lines, then the excuse that "It's just a kids show" cannot be used. When you have shows with more developed characters, you can have that. This is not a show with very developed characters.

>>28577131
>I don't know what moving goalposts mean
The Mane 5 getting nothing for everything that happens over the seasons is a pretty valid complaint that still fits with things brought up

>>28577354
You went from "they don't really do anything" to "they're not properly rewarded". That's moving the goalposts.

>>28577409
No, it isn't. It's another sympton of a problem.

They never do anything in the premiers and finales. Yet they're the only ones who get shit done in the season. Yet in the finale, Twilight is the one who typically receives the praise, or attention.

It's still the same issue.

>>28576501

Especially when they're as OP as any villain the show has had and can literally destroy the world.

>>28577477
ESPECIALLY since they are clearly shown still having very evil traits

>>28576741

So the real mistake was putting one of the worst writers in the show's history in charge of all the others.

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>>28576894
>"my best friend in the whole world left me and neither of us ever tried to keep in contact"

Glimglam is literally Chloe

>>28577602
And a whinning manchild as director as well.

>>28577666
I knew you were bad satan but this is too far

>>28577602
>>28577667
I agree with both of these, but I'd also ask, who else could it have been? I wish Larson was the one who got put in charge of the show's history, but who could we pick as a director?

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>>28569824
Not only this, but every episode we've seen her in shows her being naive, or still having evil tendencies. I don't want to hate her. she was quite the interesting villain that went against the premiere formula. At least she's cute.
>inb4 glimmer relapse as finale

>>28577708
Genndy Tartakovsky

>>28577602
I completely blame Haber for Starlight's horrible arc, and for all the fuck-ups in this season, but I don't think he's "one of the worst writers in the show". He's bad writing finales/premieres, and he's absolutely terrible as story editor, but none of his S4 episodes is on my list of the worst episodes in the show.
I mean, the problem isn't that Haber was a bad writer, the problem is that he isn't good enough to run the show, and sadly I think most of the writers aren't good enough either. We need someone really good, and I totally second >>28577708, I wish it was Larson.

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>>28577809
>Genndy Tartakovsky comes over to save MLP
>This makes him drop the new Samurai Jack project, giving it to someone else or just ending it forever
I don't want this.

>>28577810
Dude, Jim Miller is the one who approves dumb pitches and believes that millions of memes and references = genius writing.

>>28570189
>2.016x10^3
>shiggy diggy daggy doo da dee dah duu dee dud maymay

>>28577876
Shhhh, if you talk about him, he might read this thread and start crying on Twitter baiting for compliments!

Really though, I can't believe that man is doing anything if that's his attitude. It's honestly pretty pathetic.

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>>28577885
>Implying I'm wrong

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It seems so long ago that /mlp/ was actually a fun place where we all came to shitpost about ponies and their antics.
What a sad place this board has become.

>>28578442
I blame the show.

>>28577164
How about shortly before WWII they forgave them the absolute majority of the debt and then did the appeasement shtick after seeing what has been done? If they had a little bit of foresight and cared to react when the signs for another disaster were showing they could've prevented this. Total forgiveness cause WWII. You know what? It caused the 100 million death of communism, too.

Karma hates total forgiveness with such a might France and England are getting fucked by invaders so hard for totally forgiving Germany before WWII.

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>>28578481
Grrrr you got me, Anon, now I hate the show as much as you!

>>28578442
>discussing the show is now bad
At least we aren't talking about something this writer said on twitter until the thread gets pruned.

>>28579579
we aren't discussing the show, newfags are throwing a fit when we insult their ideology

>>28576455
If no god will Stand for glimmer, than Glimmer MUST BECOME A GOD!
She will be the only god that is needed when she is done.

>>28576465
Twilight would have been better served starting up a university or something to teach a large group instead.

You could have had multiple episodes with her having to tailor the lessons to the specific needs of multiple ponies (like Trixie one episode or Derpy another), and you could have had the other 5 act as Co-teachers at her school to try and keep them all relevent in the arc too.

Then you could have had an incredible Finale where her entire university banded together as a wonderful 101 type deal to stop the villain, instead of a SINGLE super powered pony, have MULTIPLE weak ponies due it instead to show that it was friendship specifically making the group so strong, despite all of them being weak spazes on their own.

>>28578826
I don't think there's any link between Forgiving Germany and islamic immigrants.

>>28579951
Forgiving Islamic immigrants that they invaded Europe during the Middle Ages is causing the whole shit in Europe now.

My point is those who both "forgive and forget" deserve the Darwin award.

>>28579985
It worked with Japan. Its why america and then are best buds now since instead of enforcing harsh reparations on japan after the war we helped them rebuild.

It also helped with Germany after WW2: Germany is now a fairly close ally of the US due to us not doing what the USSR did and turning them into a slave state.

>>28579994
At least we nuked Japan for fuckimg shit up, Starlight never got a similar treatment

>>28580013
You'd just have turned her into the incredible hulk with how powerful her plot armor is.

>>28579994
>it worked with Japan
The people who have the West as a sacred direction in their religion? Oh and sure Germany is a close ally. It's not like the damn Europoors hate our guts. Especially the Germans who think we "still" """colonize""" them. But we're getting off the track. The track is complete forgiveness is extremely naive and the ones doing it at the detriment of others deserve everything karma sends at them. In my example half of Europe getting invaded because they forgave the religion of "peace" or thinking Germany was a "victim" of sorts.

Total forgiveness is indistinguishable from total capitulation.

>>28580088
Double dubs aside I forgot to say they hate us especially because we're appearantly "clairvoyants" to them. It seems our extreme disregard for opinions and our obvious scientific grandeur is a "thorn in their eyes", as they will tell you.

>>28580019
Celestia could wipe her out in one blow.

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>>28580112
>celestia
>Beating ANYONE

TOP.
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