Should we just pretend the show ended with S4? It's been

>>28334755
Spike is even better now.

Nah, season 4 way worse than both of those.

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>>28334771
Absolutely not.
S5 was fucking garbage. I didn't even bother with S6

Show is well past its prime.

>>28334755
>End with S4
That's still a horribly shitty finale though. The last decent finale we had was back in S2. And even that wasn't the best thing ever.

The show should end with something like the Best Night Ever, but it won't. It'll end with some Michael Bay-tier fight.

Are you kidding?
Season 4 was boring at best and that's without mentioning what it was at worst.
Season 5 was alright overall and season 6 has a few gems.

>>28334795
>and season 6 has a few gems.
The """"gems"""" in S6 are no more valuable than finding corn in your shit.

>>28334788
S4 Finale was best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOb9kkiz45Q
This is the perfect way to end a series.

>>28334795
>S4
>the season with Pinkie Pride, Sweetie Belle Toils, Pinkie Apple Pie among others
>boring

Nice b8

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>>28334811
>Discount Dragonball Z
>Perfect way to end the series

>>28334818
Better than S5's shit-ass finale.

>>28334755
S2, Anon. You mean S2. The show we signed on for ceased to exist after that.

>>28334819
I'll give you that. And it's better than S3. But only great finale is Best Night Ever, with the wedding being okay. The rest are just different degrees of shit.

Best Night Ever>>>Canterlot Wedding>>>>>>>>>>>>Twilight's Kindom>MMC>Cutie Remark.

And S6 won't be an exception, I expect it to be worse than S5's.

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>>28334818
>not muh slice of life
Go watch Equestria girls, you fucking nigger

>>28334755
It has cool Opening and Finale since Discord was just the new addition to the series. And Twilight fight with Tirek will probably never going to be topped in this series. S5 and S6 are pretty boring and focused on really lackluster SoL episodes that aren't even funny.

And while S4 had this shitty plot with rainbow powers, it still has the interesting premise of collecting the keys and some kind of mystery behind the box before toys spoiled that shit.

>>28334755
I'm just waiting on Iron Will to come back. Literally everyone else did.
https://youtu.be/_9AN7WpRy2Y

>>28334889
>EqG
>slice of life
dude what

>>28334755
>S4
Nop, it ended in S2

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>>28334755
Anything after season 2 is not cannon and does not exist!

>>28334755
A little sooner. It ended in MMC just when Celestia told Twilight that they were all her students. That moment along with Twilight becoming a alicorn princess changed the direction of the series big time. Looking back on it after s5 and most of s6, s4 just feels like transitional period between s3 and the last two seasons. s4 was part of the buildup to where Twilight now has her own student in Starlight and her friends are traveling to solve friendship problems.

s4 wasn't great, but ending it there without fully tackling the teacher thing wouldn't have been great either. It's either MMC or once this teacher business is wrapped up. Surely it can't go any farther than that, right?

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It should've ended at Best Night Ever mates.

I'll include season 5, at least I cared for it's episodes, season 6 has a couple of goodies but the rest are just meh

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>>28335616
This. Sometimes I wish I could surgically erase all memory of anything past that episode

>>28334755

Go to bed, Quibble.

>>28334811
>>28334818
Oh, hell no! S4 is the worst season ever! S1 is the best season ever!

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i pretend the show ended after the grand galloping gala in season 1. lauren faust should never have left, MLP became infected with straight-up pandering to little girls ever since. . .

>>28334795
>Bats
>Inspiration Manifestation
>boring
Fuck you.

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>>28334755

Season 4 was the worst of all season. 5 and 6 are way better.

>>28335959
>A show already intended for little girls
> Became straight up pandering for little girls after season one
>Bring this retarded

Durr hurt show I like became shit so I ignore Canon I don't like because I'm too retarded to suck it up

>>28334755
>Should we just pretend the show ended with S4?
But the best season happens literally right after S4.

If you love the show, you'll love with its flaws and imperfections.

While I admit that season 4 had more reasonable episodes than 5 and 6 (and maybe 3 because 13 vs 26), the true ending should have been season 3.

>>28334755
No. Fuck off

>>28334755
I think you need to leave.

Seriously, you are gaining nothing by staying here.

>>28336244
They never have a defense for that except for horse pussy and fan content.

>>28334899
>really lackluster SoL episodes

Did you watch Do Princesses Dream Of Magic Sheep?

>>28336246
It's not even that, I remember one whining about 'having no place else to go'.

>>28336267
it's understandable though. avatar and pokemon fandoms were short lived. nothing that has come out of /co/ lasted as long as we have.

>>28336256
There's also Amending Fences.

>>28335959
Are you seriously claiming that the season which had entire episodes dedicated to slumber parties and fashion shows was less targeted at little girls than the significantly more adventure-oriented seasons that followed it?

>>28336267
To go and do what? Hang on to a show they clearly haven't liked for at least a year now? Try as hard as they can to make everyone else miserable because they aren't having fun anymore? Yeah, I imagine there aren't many communities which would be receptive to that kind of thing.

>>28334755
I'd like to think it ended at Amending Fences with Crusaders of the lost Mark happening before that. It just feels right ending it there because its a callback to the series premiere and brings Twilight's story full circle.

>people who still cling to the show and blindly defend it no matter what

Just stop. It's like you guys are defending modern Spongebob and FOP.

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>>28336381
Who're you quoting, bro?
That's kind of passive aggressive.

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ITT
>people who hate the show but just can't move on to something else
>people who blindly reject any criticism to keep pretending everything is still awesome

You aren't so different. Those are just expressions of fear.

>>28334755
Will you promise to leave if we do?

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>>28336436
>image.jpg
And I can't find my Fred image anywhere, fuck. I remember being able to criticize the show's faults without having the ponychan refugees get assblasted. I also remember being able to say I like the show without being called a hasdrone.

It's a sad day when I agree with a mobile poster.

>>28334755
>pretending the show ended right after the 2 worst seasons of all time.
>>28334778
Thanks for admitting you have shit taste.

>>28336526
>he thinks s5 is good

Well meme'd

>>28334814
>Princess Twilight sparkle
>twilight edgeparkles' kingdom
>Daring Don't
>rarity takes manehattan
>three's a crowd
>Cringe games

>>28336533
>He thinks S4>S5
Let me guess, you are merely pretending?

ITT: bait

>>28336436
So which group are you in?

S1 > S2 > S5 > S4 > S3 > S6

>>28336585
>S1>S2>S5>S6>S4>S3
FTFY

>>28336575
>le epic brony pandering episode
>those horrible season op/end
>that fucking horrible cutie mark episode
>princess Spike
etc

S5 had a load of mediocre shit

>>28336580
Both.

Season 5 killed Pinkie Pie.

>>28336585
S5 and S4 are pretty close but i would choose s5 because it had better songs

>>28336595
>le element of......... laughter!
>shit voice acting
>poorly written friendship lessons
>poorly written characters
>entire 2nd episode
etc

S1 was all around trash compared to S4 and S5.

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>S4
They spent a lot of that season tip-toeing around Twilight Sparkle and her new role as god princess. They lost a lot of the romance elements when we started seeing more post-industrial things like skyscrapers and branded food joints with printed, paper wrapping for burgers. They quit eating outside on giant toadstools or bails of hay and lost the natural themes.

>S5
First season Twilight seems really accepted as a "Princess". Other ponies start calling her that. She still has no power, influence, or real responsibilities outside token ceremonies, and we've replaced one of the show's most attractive set pieces with a fortress of dark, jagged crystal. This was the season when the world shrank and the main six took it over by storm. A mystic table sent them abroad, and when they weren't slave to the table they were meeting all their life goals. Opening their boutiques, getting into the Wonderbolts, earning their cutiemarks. The show wrapped up its loose ends, and poorly at that.

>S6
The dead season. The season occurring after all the main characters have met their life goals. After the world is too small to explore because we've been to everywhere on the map and conquered it. After all the show's original themes and messages have evaporated. The most notable thing so far is the baby, which is a toy push. The baby appears forbidden from crying like a real child would, as that would make the baby seem less fun and therefore harder to sell as a toy. This season has been plagued by talent drain and the writing has severely lacked in skill - whether you enjoy the episodes or not is aside from the fact that the technical and structural aspects of the writing have been poor. Other aspects of the show have been suffering too.

We're going to end this show with the movie, but to be fair, the original series ended when Hasbro stepped in and killed the main character.

>>28336609
I don't remember S5 that much but I remember Pinkie being an extra retard cunt in that episode where she was keeping Cadance's pregnancy a secret. So fucking annoying and OoC

>>28336640
>We're going to end this show with the movie, but to be fair, the original series ended when Hasbro stepped in and killed the main character.


Wait, what?

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>>28336707
Have you not heard about the movie? It's almost definitely going to be the end of G4 MLP. It's being animated in Toon Boom rather than Flash. Rumor has it they have a bunch of fresh, inexperienced people working on it.

And as for killing the main character thing, there are diehards on this board who insist Twilight hasn't changed since they zapped her with that magic in season 3, but let me put it like this. Way back when, Hasbro ordered show staff to kill Optimis Prime so that they could replace him and sell more Transformers toys. This went over very poorly with fans and everyone told them it would go over poorly, but the toy division wanted it. Now again, in MLP, history repeats itself and we've killed the original, intelligent, problem-solver pony and replaced her with a newer princess toy. They obviously learned from the Optimis Prime mistake, but what they learned is that when you replace a character, you have to replace them with a different version of themselves, even if it will still essentially kill the character off at their core.

>>28336595
>Amending fences
>Magic sheep
>bloom and gloom
>tank for the memories
>Griffonstone
>Scare master
>The mane attraction

Mediocre shit>>>uber crap
The season op/finale were also times better than those of S4

>>28336736
>>Magic sheep
>>bloom and gloom
>>tank for the memories
>>Griffonstone
None of those were good.

>>28336730
if they replace mlp gen4 with the equestria girls, would you still be a fan?

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>>28336744
>Griffonstone
>not good

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>>28336744
There's shit taste, and then there's this.

>>28336744
What problems were there with Bloom and Gloom or Griffonstone?

>>28336744
>tank for the memories
>not good
Lmao, I bet you think S1 and S2 are the best seasons right? lol, spotting shit taste is so fucking easy.

I bet OP feels proud of himself, the cheeky cocksucker.

>>28336730
>And as for killing the main character thing, there are diehards on this board who insist Twilight hasn't changed since they zapped her with that magic in season 3, but let me put it like this. Way back when, Hasbro ordered show staff to kill Optimis Prime so that they could replace him and sell more Transformers toys. This went over very poorly with fans and everyone told them it would go over poorly, but the toy division wanted it. Now again, in MLP, history repeats itself and we've killed the original, intelligent, problem-solver pony and replaced her with a newer princess toy. They obviously learned from the Optimis Prime mistake, but what they learned is that when you replace a character, you have to replace them with a different version of themselves, even if it will still essentially kill the character off at their core.

Ohhhhhh. Alright. I knew about Optimus. Back when Sunset Shimmer was first revealed, I was kind of scared that she'd be the new Twilight purely because she had Hot Rod's color scheme. Ironically, that kind of became true in the Equestria Girls spinoff. I thought you meant the main character of the original My Little Pony series had been killed off. My mistake. Sorry about that. And yeah, I've heard about that movie.

>>28336754
I am not in Equestria Girls' demographic. I've had some friends show me the movies and honestly I find them kind of obnoxious. The high school setting is a rut because teenagers don't know anything about the world. All they know is their cliques, pop music, and the profound new feelings they have for the opposite gender.

Equestria Girls isn't written with a lot of sense or vision. There's no theme. The people saying the show has sex appeal are simply being retarded because the "nude edits" thread demonstrate you have to completely redraw the bodies just to give them proper proportions.

I don't know what there is to latch on to. I've been the type to learn to distrust a brand, not so much the type to trust one implicitly and blindly. It's better than the Super Friends, which I watched as a kid, but it's sure not an inspiring piece of writing or animation work.

Everything past episode 1 is garbage.

>>28336763
>Episode about poverty
>"Lol. Why not let them eat cake?"
>Episode ends with Gilda learning to make cakes, and the poor improve their lives by eating cake.

I mean I didn't hate that episode but I had to marvel at what must have been going through the writers' heads at the time.

>>28336817
The episode wasn't about poverty, it was about the griffons being too greedy and socially retarded to get anything productive done.

>>28336817
That wasn't poverty, that was decadence.

>>28336817
How could you miss the point that hard? The cake thing was just a little side-plot. The main thing was repairing Gilda and Rainbow's friendship, and then spreading pony-style friendship to the rest of the village as a whole. Gilda's shitty cakes were just one aspect of that.

Hell, the climax of the episode is Gilda choosing her friend over a golden idol.

>>28336817
It wasn't really about poverty, though; well, maybe a little, but even on that side; they learn that they must work hard to improve their lives, that there isn't any magical/political figure that's going to come down one day and solve all of their problems. What's wrong with that?
The episode was about empathy over materialism.

>>28336843
>>28336848
>>28336849
No. I got it. All the poverty-stricken niggers were driving their Cadillacs. If those dumb niggers quit shooting at each other and quit spending all their money on Cadillacs and learned real life skills, then they'd open businesses and their whole economy would miraculously recover.

Generally I'd think poverty and decadence are mutually exclusive, but I'm often surprised how many people think the first is caused by the second. I mean maybe the banks or the government were corrupt and decadent, but the griffons we saw had crumbling homes, nothing to give and nothing to keep for themselves in any case. We didn't see anyone in Griffon stone living in decadence. We only saw poverty.

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>>28335978
>Bats
FUCK YOU

>>28336869
They had the supplies necessary to build houses, run shops, and sell goods, they just weren't turning a profit because they'd become so self-centered that no one was doing business anymore. On top of that, their town had made itself so inhospitable that no one was coming in to buy anything. You saw how the shop owner treated Rainbow Dash. Do you really think Griffonstone wouldn't have been in better condition if it had been more welcoming and better maintained?

Throughout the episode we see examples of griffons who could easily improve their home if they actually put in the effort necessary to do it instead of looking to make a quick profit off of anyone who passes by.

>>28336909
Maybe it's just because I know about bad areas where people don't have money, but apparently I didn't see the same doofy fantasy some people did.

What I saw was a place in poverty, like Venezuela, Peurto Rico, Detroit - or who knows where, it doesn't matter because the episode doesn't really care about it. Then I saw the writers verbally explaining to me that the inhabitants were poor because they weren't friendly enough. You know, because even when you're stressed out about a pending eviction notice and a hospital bill you can't pay, you still need to smile while running the register.

And then Pinkie said, "Let them eat cake" and the show implied that the griffons were going to make cakes and be fine. The whole time it was just an attitude problem. It was the griffons' fault because the world is totally just and if these people are in a state of total despair then they must have done something to themselves to deserve it, and if they just smile more and act nicer they'd turn things around.

I didn't say I don't get the message. I just see the real life parallels and the fact that the writers specifically said it was the griffons' fault. Then they ended it with cakes, so the griffons ate cake.

>>28336953
> didn't see the same doofy fantasy
This si equestria we are talking about, the place with no inherently stupid, evil or useless people.
The place was also very unlike the examples you are providing, Griffonstone wasn't submerged in poverty, just apathy and divisiveness, it wasn't even about economy but about community; the same way /mlp/ has never finished a single one of their projects (musical compilations, fan episodes, indie games, etc.) because the threads eventually devolve into shitposting and flamewars, unlike other communities in the fandom where they put those things aside and actually get along.

>>28336953
You're looking at this all wrong. It isn't supposed to be a real life parallel, at least not in that way. The episode isn't about economics. As Gruff said, the griffons' pride was the main thing they'd lost, not their prosperity. As far as we can see, none of them were starving or homeless, their living conditions were only horrible because they no longer cared enough to maintain anything. Much like with Thorin in The Hobbit, no amount of treasure would have solved the deeper problem- their values were in the wrong place.

You can harp on about how poor people have it hard and the show needs to stop victim shaming and whatever your personal grudge against this episode is, but you'll still be missing the point. The complaints you've made so far are based largely on assumption and on real-world associations that were never meant to be present in the story.

If you can't see this episode as anything but an analogy for a real place, then do what >>28337003 suggested and compare it instead to /mlp/. The issue isn't with resources, it's with people.

>>28336953
You're as daft as the poltards who bitch and moan about the changeling episode being about accepting Muslim immigration.

The griffons were portrayed as selfish and didn't care about their community which caused it to look like a crumbling mess due to no one wanting to put forth the effort to maintain the place. There was nothing even remotely suggesting they couldn't make ends meet or were economically destitute.

If you thought the writers were trying to coyly say "lol poor poeple, amirite?" then that's a clear case of confirmation bias, only seeing what you want to see.

>>28336953
Fug, man. I really don't see it that way. Well, maybe they overdid it visually and the town looked too shitty to look just "decadent". But baking cakes wasn't Pinkie's idea, it was Gilda's. It's just her cakes were shit until Pinkie told her to use baking powder. Buy the thing is, if you have flour you can literally *make* baking powder, it isn't difficult and it makes a great difference. If Gilda wasn't using it isn't because she was too poor, it's that she was like "fuck it".
The same way, I don't think their houses were crumbling because they were poor, it's more than they just didn't care. If you can't fix your home yourself, you're too greedy and you hate the only builder in town, you'd rather keep the money and let your home crumble, but that doesn't mean you don't have money.

>>28337020
I'm not even angry about the episode. All of MLP follows the just world fallacy because every hero in the show has achieved their dreams by now simply because being the hero means they deserve it. We often teach kids this pleasant lie because we want to encourage them to work hard, since you can't get anywhere higher in life if you aren't working hard or at least exceptionally lucky.

But you're excusing the episode quite a lot by saying, "No, see. They SAID it was an attitude problem so therefore there are no real world parallels and you shouldn't let your own familiarity with poverty color your perception of the setting."

I mean okay. You can have it your way. The griffons' problem was a cultural one that could be solved through friendship, but I guess since there are no real world parallels to that the episode's moral is directed at nobody in particular.

>>28334755
>atrocious
Why are you all so stupid? Its not a bad show, just underwhelming. If you want a BAD show, go to any live action Disney or Nick sitcom

>>28337054
Anon. Just tell me this. Who fucking does that? In what fucking place, in what fucking culture do people stop growing food and doing basic carpentry or home maintenance just because literally everyone in the entire country is willfully anti-social?

No kek.

The show's "mellowed out" a bit. S5 and S6 have been on par with S4 for the most part. Few lows few highs, yanno.

>>28337060
>I guess since there are no real world parallels to that the episode's moral is directed at nobody in particular.
Is that a bad thing? People who hate Flutter Brutter hated it because it was directed at some people in particular.
Maybe having some fantasy in a fantasy show is better than having to deal with real life shit. You can always watch the news if you prefer the latter.

>>28337060
>but I guess since there are no real world parallels to that the episode's moral is directed at nobody in particular.
>>28337003 just gave you one, you abysmal idiot; and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

>>28337081
>>28337003
The internet? You're telling me the episode about a country being in poverty because of its culture was actually about the internet? Anon, how do your arms get long enough to reach for that?

Seriously. It is so much easier to assume the writer for that episode was bashing poor people. It happens ALL THE TIME. There is an entire political wing in the US practically devoted to doing it. It's really not that weird.

>>28337099
>The internet? You're telling me the episode about a country being in poverty because of its culture was actually about the internet?
Are you really this dense, its about COMMUNITY
COMMUNITY
PEOPLE GETTING ALONG
PEOPLE LIVING CLOSE TOGETHER AND MAKING THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHIT BECAUSE THEY DON'T GET ALONG
How can you be this dense?

>>28337109
He's clearly a butthurt poorfag. You can tell by that comment of the government being out to get him, even though they're the ones giving him all his free shit. He's also only seeing what he wants to see because it validates his self-righteous rage and victimhood complex.

>>28337109
hit submit on accident, I'll continue
>Kids not doing their school projects because they got paired up with someone they don't like
>Social justice warriors trying to get other people into trouble and getting on fights and arguments both on the internet and IRL instead of actually going out and working to fix their so called issues
Any other example I could give would be basically the same thing just changing certain nouns and verbs.

>>28337060
I'm not excusing anything because there is nothing to excuse. Every single complaint you've made so far has been fabricated from stuff the episode never established. You clearly have some kind of personal history with poverty and you're reading Griffonstone as a parable about your own experiences when it wasn't intended to relate to them at all.

You think there are no real places that ended up in bad condition because their inhabitants were too greedy and unreasonable to work with? Trust me, it happens. This entire website is basically that. There are plenty of fanartists who lose all their popularity because they jump behind a Patreon paywall, too. For a non-internet example, there are hotels and tourist traps that take in more than enough money to provide something decent but settle for a shoddy job because they can get away with it. I've stayed at a few. You're insisting that Griffonstone must be related to a third-world country because of a few visual design choices. The truth is that these situations happen more often in stable economies, like what Griffonstone was more or less stated to be before the loss of the Idol of Boreas.

To answer your question in >>28337070, the place could very well end up as a wreck because griffons are a tough species and don't need much to survive. They didn't stop growing food as you say, since that was readily available to Gilda, but they could afford to let a few door hinges get loose and not lose much sleep over it. People are lazy, greedy people even more so. They'll let just about anything fall apart if they don't think it's important.

>>28337109
Because PEOPLE DON'T DO THAT, ANON. Places fall into poverty and disrepair because the mining industry folded up, because manufacturing plants relocated, because the price of oil fell, because a hospital chain has a crippling local monopoly.

Nowhere on earth does a place just suck because everyone is merely too misanthropic to function. There is no place where every inhabitant to the last is functionally retarded.

Do you know where that place exists? It exists in the heads of people who believe there's such a thing as a "welfare queen". The griffons lived in that fabled city where some random black lady buys a Dodge Viper and eats three lobster meals a day on her decadent welfare checks, and she has single-handedly made the entire state destitute with her peasant greed.

I mean it would have been something else if it had turned out there was a king who was embezzling all the state taxes and neglecting the infrastructure, the poverty, the starvation. But it wasn't. It was the peasants. It was the greedy little peasants and their evil greedy little hands.

>>28334755
>look mommy i star this thread again
fucking die

S5 certainly had more "feels" moments than any other season.

We had:
Twi and Spike missing their home.
RD accepting Tank's "death."
Luna's confession of guilt.
Moondancer's breakdown.
Mac's feelings of inadequacy.
DT's fear of disappointing her family.
CMC finally getting their cutie marks.
Amy's farewell song to the fandom.

>>28337144
Apart from your blindingly obvious personal bias, there's another mistake you're making. You keep analyzing this on a national scale. Griffonstone isn't a nation, it's a single moderately sized town. It is entirely possible for a place that size to fall apart not because it was being sabotaged from the outside or because of THE EVIL GOVERNMENT EVERYTHING IS BECAUSE OF THE GOVERNMENT DID I MENTION I HATE THE GOVERNMENT, but because the inhabitants were too short-sighted to fix their own problems.

Kek finally, I've been expecting these threads to start cropping up more often

MLP was never good, it was merely better than you expected until season 3 in which the main character turned into a princess and traveled to the human world to win at high school prom and get a boyfriend called Brad.

>>28337155
There were some smaller moments too. Scootaloo flying in a dream and Applejack mentioning her parents, for example. I miss season 5.

>>28337144
>Because PEOPLE DON'T DO THAT, ANON
Just because you don't believe it happens doesn't mean it's true anon.
>Places fall into poverty and disrepair because the mining industry folded up, because manufacturing plants relocated, because the price of oil fell, because a hospital chain has a crippling local monopoly.
Those things don't happens often anon, this things have happened a very few times int he history of all of the civilized world, many places have actually seen these things happen and instead of falling into poverty they find other sources of money, like the Emirates, hell, they are still 20-40 years apart from running out of oil business and they are already refitting the whole country to rely on tourism, take in contrast Mexico which despite having the resources to create a strong and stable economy decides to focus on the game so f exchanging coins with other countries hoping that eventually a bigger one falls in their hands but getting smaller ones themselves.
>There is no place where every inhabitant to the last is functionally retarded.
read>>28337139
And of course, it's an exaggeration, but you are too stupid to understand that.
> the poverty, the starvation
For the twelfth time today; there was NO POVERTY on Griffonstone.

>>28337155
>CMC finally getting their cutie marks.

You can't be serious.
You liked that shit?

>>28337162
You're a dumbass. I explicitly listed four reasons poverty exists that have nothing to do with government. All you're doing is projecting. You want to believe this episode depicted a possible reality where a small town was composed only of greedy people who refuse to cooperate.

You want to believe that the entire population of a city-state or whatever can come together and somehow make a conscious effort to bankrupt the state. I don't know why you don't think it's more plausible for a small ring of government officials to be corrupt and do the reverse, bankrupting the state by misappropriating funds.

Poverty can be caused by a lot of different things, but I get the feeling you like the fantasy where the griffons made themselves poor. Where the whole community is in poverty because everyone there deserved it and did something wrong.

It's amazing if you think about it. The very idea that so many people could come together and work that hard - trust each other even - to screw up their very capitol so badly as a collective group.

>>28334795
This anon gets it. Season 6 is definitely a mix bag, but doomfag anons forget that the show was always inconsistent and always had a few awful episodes each season. Season 6 just has a few more then usual, but it's definitely better then what we got in s3 & s4 where it was clear the staff was still adjusting with the show's new direction after the mandates and departures.

>>28337176
>Having a local industry fold up has only happened very few times in the history of the civilized world
I'm sorry. What? Are you retarded?

>>28336594
It's perfect anon.

>>28334755
>Should we just pretend the show ended with S4?
What the fuck? A year ago it was "The show should have ended in S3"

Are we going to have "The show should have ended in S5" threads 3 months from now?

>>28337185
>ut I get the feeling you like the fantasy where the griffons made themselves poor.
griffons weren't poor you fucktwat

>>28337196
>I'm sorry. What? Are you retarded?
The only abysmal retard is you; industries have tanked yes, but you know why such things get marked as near historical events? you'd think that if it happened often no one would bother to remember it, wouldn't it. What usually happens is when a corporation is running out of business, the people leave to find some other source of income, they leave to another mine or find a new resource to work on. In fact, corporations falling because workers or clients decide to abandon it happens with much more frequency than what you claim.

>>28337070
>>>28337054 (You)
>Anon. Just tell me this. Who fucking does that? In what fucking place, in what fucking culture do people stop growing food and doing basic carpentry or home maintenance just because literally everyone in the entire country is willfully anti-social?
I'm too late, but I think no one mentioned this yet. You're going to love it.
http://www.vice.com/read/atlas-mugged-922-v21n10

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>>28337144
You do know that there are community's who put forth no effort whatsoever in making their areas look nice, right? They let litter accumulate everywhere and make no attempts to repair rundown homes or buildings. They let their parks and playgrounds go to shit because no one is interested in putting forth the effort for upkeep. They leave it to the outside charity groups to clean up their mess. Community spirit only exists if a group puts forth the effort and is completely independent of ones economic status.

Also
>PEOPLE DON'T DO THAT
>Nowhere on earth does a place just suck because everyone is merely too misanthropic to function
Yes there is. You can find all kinds of documentaries highlighting the incompetence of Indian and African locals even when they have the financial means of procuring a better life.
And even if you don't believe me, then it's a good thing Griffonstone isn't on earth but a fantastical made-up place inhabited by non-humans whose psychology, culture, and mental processes are completely conjectural.

>>28337185
>The very idea that so many people could come together and work that hard - trust each other even
The griffons did none of that until the end of episode. That was the whole point.

>>28337220
>anarcho capitalists
Oh, this is so rich!

>>28337185
I don't think the griffons made themselves poor. I already said that I don't think they're poor at all, or that there was anything collective about what happened to them. In fact, it was their inability to work together and trust each other that messed up their home in the first place. You are just so obsessively invested in your own political angle that you refuse to see anything else, like for example the fact that this episode isn't at all political. You're arguing against an enemy who isn't in the room.

The episode was barely even about the subject you're having conniptions over. It spent more time on Rainbow Dash and Gilda's friendship- you know, friendship, the thing the show is about- than it did on anything resembling poverty. Your complaint is both fabricated and a borderline nitpick.

>>28337219
You live in a magical place where, say, oil isn't doing badly in Kansas and Iowa right now. Or where coal hasn't taken a hit in Kentucky. Or where manufacturing hasn't moved abroad because it's cheaper in other countries.

Anon, you're exhausting me and you're an awful person. You don't know any goddamned thing.

>>28337234
It didn't focus on their friendship. It focused on recovering a trinket, losing it, then saying, "You know I guess friends are really more important anyway".

>>28337254
Either way, I have a question here. The big complaint is that the griffons solved their problems by making friends. What I have to ask is, how in the name of Amy Keating Rogers would finding the idol have done any more good than that? Were they going to sell it? That wouldn't do much in the long term. Bring in tourists with it? Might help, but so would learning basic manners toward people from out of town. Even if the solution Pinkie brought wasn't the ideal one, it was much more productive than getting the idol back, which was what the griffons claimed they needed.

Also, if the town fell apart because of poverty and economics and so on, why did the griffons themselves insist that they were miserable because they'd lost the idol?

>>28337236
>You live in a magical place
Well, Given I live in Mexico in a medium-low class neighborhood, I suppose what those ads from the government are true? oh wait, but the government is evyl, right?

>, oil isn't doing badly in Kansas and Iowa right now
Yes oil is doing badly, but that's not the only source of income for the whole state, as I said, some places actually forecast these crisis and prepare for it, but communities too competitive, with poor communication and trust issues cannot ever prepare for anything outside of anyone's power going wrong
>you're an awful person
Yes I am, but what does that have to do with this.
>You don't know any goddamned thing.
"Note his eyes, bigger than reality; shewing that HIS MAJESTY could see nothing but A POINT"

>>28337290
They didn't really explain why the idol made them prosperous. I just assumed it was an magical endless decanter of liquid gold or something.

Like I've said, I know what the writer had everyone SAY in the episode, but what they depicted was poverty. They kept saying it was because they had a bad culture or a bad attitude, but seriously how would that work? How would an entire capitol fail just because the populace didn't feel as much pride anymore?

I dunno. It's a really fucking stupid episode if you read it at face value and think about it all, and it's a really depressing, banal episode that bashes the poor if you try to line it up with the real world at all.

>>28337330
>but what they depicted was poverty.
Mindless man aren't you, we already explained to you why poverty is only the thing you want to see, not something that was actually happening in the show: there was no one hungry or cold, Gilda had enough resources to keep her business even if no one bought her produce and no one was actually complaining that they lived in shit conditions besides grandpa griffon ranting about the good ol days.

>>28334755
I don't know why. I can't place it, but for me S4 was the last normal season. Everything after feels like "new-mlp" whereas s4 felt more attached to the first 3. I can't shake this feeling and it annoys the fuck out of me, it ruins the comfiness of the show.

S1>S2>S5 Map>Keyshit, and better openers/finales>S4>S6=S3
We really should have ended with S1. S2 had some nice things, but its finale was a herald of the worse to come with Cadence/Shining Armor.

>>28337330
They depicted some run-down buildings. Poverty is what you read into it because you are apparently incapable of understanding fantasy on any level whatsoever.

>>28336730
>>28336790
Twilight Sparkle will die in the movie like Optimis Prime.

>>28337155
Twilight and Spike's home will return in the movie.

>>28337167
Brad Sentry is still a dork!

>>28337184
Let me guess, you didn't like the cutie mark design? What a shit reason to completely dismiss one of the biggest moments in the entire show.

>>28337556
>episode is about Diamond Tiara
>last 5 minutes the CMC suddenly get their shitty cutie marks out of nowhere and steal DT's spotlight.

>>28337569
Waifufagging is even less of a legitimate reason, mate.

>>28336244

I'm lost as to why you think this. Saying you don't feel as if the newer seasons don't capture what the older ones had is not an invalid opinion. I agree that anyone who stops watching the show should put it behind them, but are you really going to tell people who still watch the show who want to talk about both new and old episodes to fuck off just because they have a fonder memory or thought the older ones were better?

>>28337424
>>28337463
>Just because it looks like a dick with a ball sack doesn't mean that's what it was! They said it was a magic wand so clearly your mind is in the gutter if you think it looked like a dick.

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>>28334755
S4 was shit though. Pretty sure it helped kill the fandom too since all the Twilicorn fags got scared off by its quality.

Show should've ended with S5 and Glim Glam going full Made in Heaven resulting in the universe being reset, thus paving the way for G5

>>28337677
LOOK MOM, LOOK INBRED COUSIN, LOOK PEOPLE FROM THE NEWS, I JUST FOUND THE FACE OF JESUS CHRIST IN MY TOAST!!!!111!!1ONE!!ELEVEN

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>>28337689
forgot the picture

Season 5 was absolutely amazing for Apple Bloom.

If it ended with season 4, the CMC would have been left with little meaningful development, with us thinking their destinies are simply the talents hinted in Show Stoppers.

Season 5 would have been a perfect ending. Everyone was understood and there was a comfortablr closure that was ruined by this season.

>>28337453
I agree with this anon, except I wouldn't put s6 on par with s3 since all s3 had that was arguable okay was magic dual.

>>28336640

Smart post here about the loss of charm the show had in its setting. You have a good grasp on what the show lost over the years.

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>>28337677
You're not saying it looks like a dick, you're saying it IS a dick. This is equivalent to holding the writers responsible for encouraging sexual assault because Pinkie's balloon "baby bottle" looked like the penis that raped your mother. You have become pic related.

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>>28337677
please take a look at all these posts you have conveniently ignored so far:
>>28337039
>>28337127
>>28337139
>>28337220
>>28337228
>>28337295
These are all posts that have called out your bullshit and you've yet to come up witha response, until you are able to actually do that; stop posting, because at this point we are just trying to explain you the same thing with different words and you are still incapable of getting it.

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>>28337703
>Implying the CMC have meaningful development in the first place
>Implying their cutie marks wasn't a massive disappointment
CMCfags are almost as bad as Spikefags.

>>28337503
Then I hope they bring her back as a zombie and then kill her off again in the show.

>>28337748

I find it funny that there's so few people who dislike the episode where they got their cutie mark. It was another reformation episode with another shitty generic sob story for the character. I fucking hate all these reformations that they're doing. It was ok for Trixie, but Discord got it set down the slippery slop of shit writing.

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>>28337453

The curveball was actually thrown sooner than that. And frankly, S2 should have been the end since you can't herald bad things that aren't coming. I vastly prefer that season over the first since it was more polished and the writing was a bit more in depth.

>>28337662
Saying the new seasons don't have the same magic as the old ones is quite a bit different from saying that new seasons are worthless and we should pretend they don't exist.

>>28337866
Honestly, I think people "like it" because they pretend it was good just because they got their cutie marks in the end. If they didn't, I guarantee that the episode would have been looked on with what it deserved.

And in all honesty, the way they got them is just bad. It felt more like tying up a loose end rather than "Hey, let's develop them." It's an example of the bad writing in the series. At first I thought it was a Hasbro request, but seeing as they're not releasing any new CMC dolls at all, it must have been the writers who chose to do it.

Wouldn't it have been much more rewarding for the viewers and the characters to have them get individual marks one at a time? Consider an episode where Scootaloo gets her mark first, and Apple Bloom gets all depressed about it, and it stresses their relationship. I mean, you can keep it simple, but that requires good writing.

>>28338110
Nigga I was already happy with the episode before a single cutie mark was obtained.

>>28338126
Then I'd recommend seeing a doctor about that shit taste.

>>28338058

I don't hear anyone talk about The Matrix sequels. Surely people are just wrong and they should shut up and appreciate the fact they exist.

>>28338146
Post your favorite episode. If you're going to dish it out, you deserve to take it.

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>>28338203
>Crusaders of the Lost Mark is his favorite episode
You can't make this shit up.

>>28338233
No it's not. Anyway, you're clearly more comfortable with unfounded mockery than you are with having your own tastes called into question, so unless you're willing to present an example of what you'd call a great episode, this conversation's over.

>>28338251
But all you're trying to do is detract from the pointed out flaws of Crusaders of the Lost Mark, by saying "Well why don't you say what you like!"

Fine, I'll do you one better. I'll give you one episode from each season (bar S6) that I'd consider great, each far better than Crusaders.

>Suited for Success
>Sisterhooves Social
>Magic Duel
>Pinkie Pride
>Amending Fences

>>28338289
Magic Duel and Pinkie Pride are actually rather shallow as far as story goes, more so than Crusaders.

Magic Duel pads out its running time with a bunch of scenes of Trixie casting random spells which are treated as heinous but are mostly rather silly, and in the end there's really no moral or theme to the story to speak of. It's fun, and it does set up some development for Trixie that really pays off later, but it's not what I'd call a great episode.

Pinkie Pride's biggest strength- its songs- is also the episode's biggest weakness. Much like Magic Duel, so much time is spent putting on a show that the actual story advances at a snail's pace. I did enjoy Cheese Sandwich's backstory and seeing Pinkie deal with her insecurities, but overall the episode was a bit too silly for my taste.

Crusaders of the Lost Mark, on the other hand, uses its songs to excellent effect. Each one advances the story in some way and helps get across the emotions of its scene. On top of that, it manages to tie together three different stories without any of them crowding the other out. While Diamond Tiara's issues with her mother did suffer from a lack of foreshadowing, they made sense, and the CMC's cutie marks did get some hints earlier in the season. As for their actual talents, the development that was slightly lacking in that episode was picked up later in On Your Marks.

I enjoy Crusaders of the Lost Mark because it's a musical episode that still has time to tell a proper story, because it was a legitimate surprise at a time when the season was becoming predictable, and because it treated the CMC getting their marks with all the significance the event deserved. It wouldn't have been as good an episode if the show hadn't followed up on it later, but as it stands, I remember it as one of season 5's high points despite its small flaws.

I won't even try to prove you wrong on SfS, Sisterhooves, or Amending Fences. Those are some great episodes.

>>28337054
Did everyone forget that the whole root of their problems was because they lost a treasure? That it was explicitly shown to be a morale/attitude thing? I mean, it's right there in the title.

>>28336062
The burning sensation I feel in the back of my eye when people can't see Season 3 for what it is.

>>28336730
It's hard to say where the movie will fall in all of this, thanks to how secretive Hasbro and DHX are being. We have some off-the-cuff confirmation that S7 is happening, and the movie could fall to either side of that. That said, I'm not sure they would risk another year-long hiatus, even with the increased exposure the movie will bring.

>>28336062
>S6
>Better than anything
S6 is worse than the EQG movies.

>>28338575
The show's most ambitious season, with the occasional truly great moment but mostly weak episodes and poorly executed ideas?

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>>28336640
We had skyscrapers in S1. It's the scope of the story that changed, not the setting.

>>28338588
It never felt like that. It explored some other attributes about Equestria, I'll give you that, but at no point during the season did the story ever back that up.

>>28338723
Hey, I didn't say it achieved its ambitions. It seems to me that Season 3 wanted to be truly incredible and push the show into something it had never done before- to serve as a climax for the series- but it failed. Part of that was because of its halved length, part was because it ended up not being the final season, and part was because the writers just weren't ready. It was a season with lofty goals it couldn't even begin to reach.

Season 3 felt like a "get this out the door so we can be syndicated" season.

s4 and s5 were like "lets ambigiously tie up all the loose ends because we don't know if were going to have more seasons of this"