So apparently DHX is a pretty shitty company to work for. h

Just as it should be
Remember kids, you gotta work in shitty jobs that GIVE MONEY, working on a job you like will only end with you not being able to pay the bills and then you kill yourself or simply die on the inside and live a miserable life eating from trash cans.

>>28324428
/Life

>>28324405
>supervisor wage is half of entry position here
>Vancouver house prices are 1/5th of here
They have nothing to complain about.

>>28324448
Plus, they get free healthcare.

>>28324405
Didn't we already know this? It costs 100K USD to make an episode and most of that is subsidized by the government.

>>28324428
>He bought into the "absolutely everyone must go STEM" meme

We're starting to get the paradox of the unemployed engineer because of this line of thinking.

>>28324448
It's CAD. Supervisor position appears to be ~$30 USD, $25 for a storyboard artist in terms of hourly rates. But again, Sibsy seems to be claiming that she got less than that and didn't get paid overtime.

The issue here is that they aren't getting paid for overtime. If they were there would be no issue.

>>28324466
>salaried position
>expecting overtime

And I factored in CAD. I meant it when starting positions are $60/hr where I am but houses are millions so the cash means nothing.

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>>28324428
>living to work
Why not cut the middle man and work in something you like instead? You don't need to be a millionaire to enjoy life.

>>28324505
Where the fuck do you live?

>>28324510
But nowadays, only STEM industries make anything. So youre lucky if you work in any of those. Well that's true for where I live at least. It's an expensive city.

>>28324511
Silicon Valley.

>>28324518
Even bloggers can make a living... then again, I might be biased because I work on IT (developer) and I like it.

>>28324534
I live in SD and houses are pretty expensive just to rent. You cannot get by without either a good paying STEM job or daddy's credit card.

>>28324518
>>28324546
I'm going into law, unfortunately there are a fuckload of lawyers. Still financially stable if I can actually get in anywhere, though.

I cannot think of any non shit-based job that I would want less than animator at a Canadian studio.

>>28324510
If you live away from cities, you can't find a fucking job other than low tier shit, manual stuff.
If you live in the outskirts you may find lower rent, but you still get fucked with the gas and if the car breaks, good luck faggot.
And if you live in the fucking center of the city then everything is fucking expensive including rent, smoke and other bullshit you have to face to support the illusion that a high salary is worth ruining your health, wasting your life and pretending you are achieving something at all.
Like I told one of my friends and sister
You can only have 2 out of 4
>freedom
>money
>family
>success
You can't have more than 2 unless you do questionable shit.
Live just sucks no matter what.

>>28324558
>not having a job that provides free buses from the outskirts
What the fuck do you do?

>>28324575
Not every job offers that service
Sometimes you don't qualify if you live way too far away from the work place either

>>28324575
That's uncommon in America for a job to do that. At least in CA it is

>>28324592
The range is something like 50 miles. You could just only choose the jobs that have the service if it's that important.

>>28324597
What part of CA are you from? Like everyone I know who works for a tech company has the service.

>>28324624
SD
Are public transport system is shit compared to SF and LA.

>>28324655
Yeah, that's pretty down south. To be honest, SF public transport sucks too, but the corporate transports have stuff like free wifi and no homeless.

>>28324428
I finally got a job that pays a lot that I love though.

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>>28324713
That's cool and all
But for every (You) there must be at least a thousand of not (You)s that have to work shitty jobs to barely meet ends.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_bitcoin

While you guys were screwing around and wasting time with ponies, the smart guys have found a niche that actually made them hundreds of millions of dollars overnight.

If you guys had taken a more interesting and profitable interest which affects the real world, then you could have funded your own pony show or even bought Dhx Media and gave them the middle finger.

>>28324737
When bitcoin was founded, I was barely making enough cash to pay the bills.
What shitty caramel sugary world do you live in? the people that make millions are the ones that had quite a huge sum to start with and then didn't sleep over nights and days being afraid to lose it all in that massive risk. The rich are always getting richer and the poor are always getting fucked in the ass.
The rest of us, barely can survive.

>>28324737
I had to ditch mine. The party van would have came to my house if not.

>>28324749
Not true. Only the lazy unambitious fucks get fucked in the ass. I've never met any smart guy IRL who never made it.

>>28324737
>spend years trying to make millions and hope that your stuff works or you end up bankrupt
or
>work a decade or two to save up a few million and retire nicely, guaranteed
How are the hundreds of millions, anon?

>>28324405
>cartoonbrew
Getting deja vus here

>>28324767
>you end up bankrupt
How the fuck can you go bankrupt when you only spend 100 dollars to make 1 million? or 1k to make 10M.

Bitcoin wasn't worth more than 0.01 cents at the time. Not to mention even earlier when it was worth absolutely nothing.
How the fuck can you go bankrupt?

God you can't talk with autists without running into self-contradicting arguments.

>>28324812
So where are your millions, fucktard? It takes time and money to do shit. If you devote time to making whatever it is that's going to make you bajillions, that's time you're not earning money.

If it doesn't take time, it's an investment. If it's an investment, no way in hell are you getting 1000%+ returns unless you're a VC firm or a really lucky investor.

But fuck it. My fault for assuming your time is worth anything. NEETs like you have nothing but time.

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>>28324812
>Look guise they were all stupidly lucky
>why haven't you been stupidly lucky like them
Get fucked, dood.
If you are so good being stupidly lucky then why are you here in 4chan on a friday night and not in your fucking cruiser in the pacific ocean or enjoying your time in swiss or wherever the fucking millionaires go these days.

>>28324405
The lowest paid person makes 3400 a month. These aren't exactly starvation wages....

>>28324405
Dam Canadians

>>28324832
>>28324833
God these losers of any generation are all the same. Projecting, stubborn, negative dumbasses who hate change and trying. Stay a faggot your whole life then if you hate standards.

>>28324853
>I'll do big talk and shit but won't tell you how you could profit
Just what I thought. Now go earn your millions scamming people with infomercials, if you even make any money and you aren't just shitty b8 in pony board.

>>28324859
Why the fuck would I tell you how I got rich? God you fucking faggots need to stop being lazy and find out yourself.

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>>28324861
>mfw I am actually close to being millionaire and know how fucking hard it is
>mfw I am just laughing at your shitty ruse from the back because making money is hard as balls

>>28324405
SPEAKS VOLUMES

>>28324922
You now understand why the show is so badly animated. It is probably their way of protesting silently.

>>28324461
That's a lot of money to pay for 15 minutes of shit

>>28324890
Making money is easy if you're intelligent and resourceful.

>>28324954
>15
You mean 22

>>28324934
More like I understand why they are hemorrhaging talent/ everyone fucks off to Disney.

>>28325127
Disney is also considered to be close to tyrants too though.
They also pay shitty salaries.

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>>28324405
Maybe I'm living in a fantasy world, but I did expect people who worked for a company like DHX would make a lot of dosh and not get fucked over for their work.

>>28324405
>giving them a living wage
If you seriously cannot live off of 44,000 dollars a year, you have way bigger issues than a shitty animation job.

>>28325198
nigga its harder than you think
>30000 after taxes
>5000 after rent
>-10000 after bills and loans

>>28325204
Unless those are student loans youre a retard, or fucked up pretty bad. Here's a tip, don't buy shit you have to have a payment plan for.

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>>28325190
Most animator works are dead end tier.
People only like to draw and animate because "dream job" not because it is paid well. It is like working as a teacher is usually fucking dead end job, but they do it anyways because "I always wanted to teach".
Jobs that pay well are white collar jobs that are fucking stressing as hell (people have died from overworking in the office) and jobs that are hazardous.

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and that's why all the ponies are Canadian

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>>28325369
No

>>28324767
That's a lovely case of Just World Syndrome you have there, Anon. I hope it serves you well.

>>28324518
Dude, like a quarter of people coming out of college actually get a job in their field right off the bat. That's across all majors. STEM is a meme now.

>>28324719
Yeah I am sorry. I am grateful I made it, and suffer greatly from imposter syndrome.

I was working in call centers a year ago so huge career leaps are possible.

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>>28324405

>wage per week
>even the biggest faggot there earns over 3000 Canadian dollars a month for "working" on a shitty flash cartoon for little girls

>>28324428
>We live in a perfectly just world where the right choices are at everyone's fingertips and all actions have fair consequences
Yeah. I mean, animation and entertainment is a soul-crushing grind that mulches up thousands of people every year without adequate compensation and the only reason people do it is for love and passion, but we SHOULD chastise those people and act like they deserve nothing for working hard to, essentially, help people relax and brighten up their day.

Animation and art are hard jobs with long hours. You can use the "underpaid staff deserve to be underpaid" logic to screw anyone in any career out of their overtime and benefits.

I just got to this thread and don't want to read all the posts. Someone redpill me on what's going on.

>>28328709

overpaid faggots who cant get a real job complaining about the money they are making

>>28328709
>animators don't make a living wage
>"LOL that's stupid the world is completely just they must have done something wrong"

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>>28328709

Why is this a shock to anyone? The animation industry is overcrowded which is why it is easy to find people who will work on it.

Not to mention MLP isn't a complex show to make.

>>28324405
>blaming the Jews for your small penis

>>28328773
>mlp isn't a complex show
Flash is a very difficult to use program, and there are three animation studios that animate MLP (one at DHX in Vancouver, and two owned by Top Draw in Manila.)

>>28328756
basically this.

>>28328773
>MLP isn't a complex show to make.
You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

>>28324984
Keep telling yourself that

>>28328801
It isn't as difficult as ToonBoom.

>>28324428
True hurts.

>Recent animation ain't what it used to be.
>We learn it now sucks to work in animation in Canada.
Do you think they're related?

>>28328816
It is puppet based with pretty basic rigs, Flash itself is relatively straightforward (and inexpensive) as well which is why it is used on most budget productions including small web toons.

Most of the main cast all share the same body type and are rarely drawn off model, and with there being a lack of complex movement it should not be hard to get someone with a beginner's level of animation experience to quickly be able to handle most scenes.

>>28329126
>straightforward
Teach me your ways. I've tried to use Flash, and it's near impossible to manipulate anything.
>inexpensive
It used to cost hundreds of dollars, but now you have to pay a monthly fee to use newer versions. (I think DHX and Top Draw are sticking with an already-paid-for version.)

>>28329150
>hundreds of dollars
>expensive
Nigga companies are operating with massive budgets, and those hundreds of dollars are tax deductible.

>>28329188
Sure, it's not much in the eyes of a big company, but to your average anon, it's pretty substantial investment.

>>28329150
Sure are you willing to watch video tutorials? Have you ever animated something before (FBF)?

>>28329200
It's expensive because their market is big companies, they (didn't) give a shit about individuals. Regular people just pirate it and buy it when they become profitable.

Cloud is different, but I guess times change.

>>28329150
Companies aren't switching to the cloud version because it automatically updates itself, iirc. Automatic updates are the bane of every admin's existence and Flash is already a buggy turd.

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>>28329223
>watching tutorials and having experience

>>28324405
>working as an animator
What a terribly boring lifestyle choice.

>>28324428
>t. Economist shill

>>28329126
Flash is actually not that straightforward. I compare it to using hand tools versus power tools. Flash is a bitch of a program that crashes quite frequently, especially when doing high-end things like special effects or rig design. Its brush tool is nigh on useless, ESPECIALLY if DHX were using older versions of the software before they fixed it to adjust to screen size properly.

As far as practical animation goes, the tweeners should have a relatively easy time because the ponies are all circles and their front limbs don't even have shoulders to worry about - which is frankly a rather ingenious and cost-saving way to design the rigs in the first place. However, the tweening is done in the Philippines or wherever, not Vancouver, so all the simplistic stuff is on a completely different billing schedule.

The actual hard stuff is probably crashing and being a mess to work with all the time at DHX, which is likely why they're finally switching to Toon Boom for the movie. I cannot even BELIEVE shows like this and Wakfu exist. The idea that you'd do a twenty minute cartoon in Flash sounds like masochism in itself - nevermind the pay.

>>28329683
The movie is being done by many new hires, the show is still going to be done in Flash.

They also use Flash 8 to make the show.

>>28324428
>he fell for the stem meme
wew

>>28329804
I think that's because Flash 8 is more stable and Adobe added nothing to help animate between that and CS6. Still, Toon Boom is more receptive to special effects and the like because it's actually designed to be an animation program.

But if anything, the complaints about poor wages and low funding is something that makes a lot of sense given the quality of season 6. There have been a lot of technical shortfalls and obvious talent drain in virtually every facet of production you can see from the cartoon.

There must be almost nothing working in favor of this poor show.

>>28329683
I read somewhere they are using a heavily modified in-house version of Flash.

>>28329845
That makes sense. Maybe it's a great deal less crash prone and functions as a better work horse. I could see it being a solid program if it weren't a 32-bit hunk of flaming garbage with no art capabilities.

>>28329825
I want to clarify that if someone was still a beginner at Flash animation, they would likely still be able to be trained in animating MLP.

Also the show has always cost 100K USD for each episode, outside of writing Season 6 is on a technical level better than S1.

>>28324558
>>freedom
>>money
What are my options fampai?

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>>28324405
>Animation jobs are shitty affair for a special kind of people.

Tell us something we didn't know already, anon.
Unless you're scamming furries for porn money, you are not going to be living a very fancy life as someone who animates shit.

>>28330006
I don't know about them being on a better technical level in season six. Maybe I only notice because I'm becoming more critical of the show as it disappoints me, but it seems like they're reusing animation more or designing backgrounds that are too saturated for characters with colored lines. The writing, definitely, feels the most amateur of anything this season - but take the episode with the dragons. As they're talking to the dragon king who's supposed to be massive, you'd usually want him looming over the characters, with the camera looking up at him to make him seem imposing and huge. Instead, every shot was straight on, perspective at his eye level. That's wrong. That's a basic technical mistake and the first explanation I came to for it was that they only had the rig built from that perspective and were saving money by not making another angle for him.

>>28329683
>the tweening is done in the Philippines or wherever, not Vancouver
Actually, the three animation studios don't work together on single episodes. At any given time, they are each working on animating a different episode, assigned in a simple 1-2-3 pattern, with every third episode (based on production order) being animated at the Vancouver studio. And I imagine that none of them use tweening, because the results probably aren't all that great.
>>28329804
>They also use Flash 8 to make the show
I don't think they use that anymore. I know that most of the first season was done using Flash 8 (on Pentium 4 computers running Windows XP, no less) but I think once DHX started outsourcing to Top Draw, they upgraded to a CS version of Flash.
>>28329845
>heavily modified
If it were heavily modified, there would be a great chance that none of the leaked rigs would've opened in regular versions of Flash. Since all of them work properly in regular versions, I imagine that there isn't a whole lot of customization being done.

>>28330424
Tweens are the animations between keyframes, anon. Hence the term "tween". A flash tween is its own thing.

>They upgraded to a CS version of Flash
Heh.

>If they modified Flash the rigs wouldn't work in other versions of Flash
Anon, you don't know what you're talking about and there's a couple of dead giveaways. The first is that the only way the rigs would work in all versions of Flash is if they were designed in Flash 8. This is because Adobe are assholes and remove backwards compatibility in each new version of the software. Flash files are only compatible moving forward, never back. The second dead giveaway is that you obviously don't understand exactly how many plug-ins and add-ons there are for Flash. If the program has any advantage, it's that you can modify it on your own time if you know how.

>>28330843
>I don't know what I'm talking about
You're completely correct regarding my assumptions on the modifications. I'm not an expert on Flash and I just assumed that. And I was not aware that plugins were even made for Flash. I thought any mods would be some in-house jobbies that don't affect much.
>Adobe are assholes
Your britbong is showing and you should feel bad.

>>28330843
Actually wrong, Flash has complete for backwards compatibility for reading files and forwards compatibility for the next version. Flash only allows you to save a file for the current or previous version

>>28331282
I'm pretty sure I've opened Flash 8 files with CS6. It hasn't come up much but I think old files work with all the later programs. Then again, maybe I was opening CS6 files with Flash 8. I don't think so, though.

>>28331312
I just said that, Flash has backwards compatibility with nearly every previous version of Flash.

>>28331312
All the files in the leak were Flash 8 (because the leak was of the Season 1 assets) and I was able to open them with CS5 just fine. So backward compatibility must exist.

>>28331325
Flash will always let you open a FLA saved from an older version, it just will not let you save it in that version.

>>28331325
>>28331344
No, it has no backwards compatability in that a CS6 file can't be opened in Flash 8 even though they're the same file extension and neither version has anything in it the other doesn't, really. It's just set up so that there's not backwards compatibility so that two versions aren't compatible and you have to buy a whole new software suite for your entire network.

>>28331373
Do you know the difference between backwards compatibility and forwards compatibility?

>>28331373
>CS6 file can't be opened in Flash 8
That's FORWARDS compatibility. Backwards compatibility is when you can open, say, a Flash 8 file in CS6.

>>28324575
Americans don't believe in public transportation or ride-sharing. We're individuals, goddammit, and we demand the right to choke our highways and air quality with massive, gas-guzzling SUVs that never carry anyone except the driver.

>>28324842

Depends on where you live. West Coast cities like LA and Vancouver have a significantly higher cost-of-living than East Coast, or Central Plains cities.

>>28324405

Bottom line, this is The Golden Rule at work, and always has been. If you want to make the big bucks, then you have to learn a skillset that people with money are willing to pay big bucks for.

The Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.

>>28324405
I know this is not completely related but how much does VA's earn then?

Is the same disparity as in Japan where the famous ones earned almost ten times more than animators?

>>28332058
Usually 60 to 80 dollars an hour.