How did he know Newtypes were going to be a thing? He wasn't

>>15743969
ORIGIN is silly

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>>15743969
He probably realised that humans would be able to adapt in space, since humans always learn to adapt to new environments

>>15743972
That's part of the original story tho

>>15743969
I thought Deikun's rhetoric was about a metaphorical transformation into better people as we became more aware of the world we lived in due to the precariousness and perspective of life in space, not a literal mutation into a new species of psychic supermen.

>>15744001
As another anon once put it, that's pure bullshit based on absolutely nothing. It's the equivalent of saying, "When man begins to travel across the oceans of Earth, they will evolve the ability to telepathically sense and communicate with each other over long distances, because they are adapting to their new environment!"

>>15744017
This.

Deikun's rhetoric was more about awakening new philosophical perspectives to open the human mind up to new concepts foreign to the attitudes that lead to conflict, whether interpersonal or international. His theory wasn't about an actual deviation in human biology brought on by life in space.

>>15744018
>he doesn't know why "newtype" and "New World" start the same
>he's not hearing me laugh at him right now

>>15743969
He was a Newtype himself.

>>15744038
How'd he let himself get assassinated then?

Wouldn't he have felt the ill intent of those who meant him harm?

>>15743969
He didn't. And when humans began to change in space, people foisted the concept of newtype upon them rather than seeing them for what they were.

>>15744038

Pretty sure no incarnation of him has ever even been suggested to be a newtype.

>>15745045
Being a newtype doesn't give you spider sense and immunity to the poison

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>>15745321
>Being a newtype doesn't give you spider sense
but that's basically exactly what it does

>>15745323
oh yeah well how come they're dead

>>15745325
same way spider-man's died

>>15743969
>2. In the future, should the emergence of a new space-adapted human race be confirmed, the Earth Federation shall give priority to involving them in the administration of the government.

Even though this article never saw the light of day, it was already thought of before and not a new concept. Deikun probably read about it somewhere during his youth and based his philosophy on that concept.

>>15745045
He wasn't assassinated, he worked himself to death.

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>>15745852
>he worked himself to death

>>15745906
Show proof he was assassinated.

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>>15745848
If you watched Unicorn you'd know that

A) he didn't, in fact his theory was completely independent thought to Marcenas trying to do some last minute good will concession making to the migrants who were going to space looking to achieve something worthwhile
B) nonetheless, the one in a million coincidence they could conceivably refer to the same thing, on top of the coopting of newtype as a term for anything from space Jedi to ace pilot by various parties across the years from the OYW onward, has engineered the very deep seated fears that, according to Unicorn, have fueled the repeated resurgence of the Zeon movement and the corresponding countermovements by the Federation to avert fanatical colony drop shenanigans and the assorted bullshit they've seen people do to them in the name of Zeon.

It's straight up a core point in Unicorn's thesis that the notion of newtype is so poorly defined and self serving to whomever invokes it that it is part of what holds back the UC setting, that along with constantly reviving Zeon despite the fact that their colony drop fetish should have long since made Zeon an unsalvageable label for recognition of spacenoid self-rule and sovereignty.

Ultimately, the notion of an ubermensch called newtype should be rejected.

He didn't say ESP.
It is political eugenics for autonomy.

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>>15744001
I'm not getting out of this bathtub until I grow some goddamn gills.

>>15746148
I don't remember Marcenas having a sudden last minute enlightenment and coming up with a theory of human evolution right on the spot.

>>15746220
He was suggesting that if something special happened to what were essentially the proles of mankind, that they should be recognized in some fashion rather than languish as proles.

Again, newtype as a concept is something Unicorn tries to reject for being vague and self serving to whomever invokes it.

>>15743969
>space travel would bring about about newtypes
It doesn't, though. 10,000 years later and everyone's still an oldtype. The remarkable people who were "identified" as newtypes were just that: remarkable people. Remember when Char said that Lalah might never have awakened to her abilities if there hadn't been a war? Think of people as different kinds of metals. Everyone has their limits, their melting point, right? If the temperature never goes above 200, most of them seem pretty much the same. Maybe there's one in that bunch that can withstand 5,000 degrees, but you won't find that out unless you put it under extreme circumstances. When all the others have melted away and that one you thought was the same as therest still stands, you believe you have found a new type of super-durable metal. But it was always there, it just wasn't apparent until the circumstances eliminated everything around it. The One Year War was the most extreme circumstance in human history, and happened shortly after a raving lunatic claimed to predict that mankind was on the verge of evolving, so people just jumped to the conclusion that the hyper-capable people who were changing the course of the war were this next step in evolution.

But then you have a hundred centuries of 99.99% of people still being normal people. Deikun was wrong.

>>15745911
It didn't actually get made because Mobile Suit Gundam didn't get its full 50 episode run. According to the plot outlines for the unmade episodes, there was supposed to be a scene where Degwin admits to Sayla that he poisoned him.

Of course I can't link you to the page, and don't even know what to tell you to type to google it (it was in japanese) but I've seen it (and google translated it) in a "Girhen did nothing wrong" thread a few years ago.

>>15743969
How could you possibly know what he didn't know? All we're shown is a few moments of his life and that one bitch even remembers debating with him about Newtype Theory in their youth, meaning YES they did fucking know about it for a long god damn time.

Why don't you actually fucking pay attention before complaining about shit?

>>15746278
>meaning YES they did fucking know about it for a long god damn time.

Him holding onto a theory doesn't mean he actually met any Newtypes lol

>>15743969
But he wasn't really on the money at all. His theories weren't correct considering Amuro and Lalah were Earthnoids so clearly being born in space has nothing to fucking do with anything.

>>15746236
It basically just turns out that, "hey, ESPers exist but they're just mutants and since that has no benefit when it comes to fucking it's unlikely the human race is going to evolve into them."

In the end the Feddies are right and the newtype propaganda started by Zeon Deikun is just bullshit.

>>15746341

If I remember correctly, his theory wasn't about being born in space, simply living in space.

Either way though, he was wrong because Uso Ewin exists (an earthnoid who developed Newtypeism before ever traveling to space)

>>15745323

What does Newtype actually entail?

Spider-sense and talking through thoughts?

>>15747913
It entails whatever you want.

I'm not being a shit here, it's literally that formless.

>>15747913
Considering Newtype was basically something that Tomino made up because he forgot about the Gundam's learning computer...

When you hear "Newtype" read "pre-prequels Jedi" and move on

>>15747992
>because he forgot about the Gundam's learning computer...

what do you mean?

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>>15747913
Causing earth quakes, manifesting apparitions, summoning the dead, telepathy, cursing people so they become retarded, improved reflexes, summoning barriers, influencing people's subconscious, among other things.

>>15747913
>What does Newtype actually entail?
about equal parts of Dune Prescience, reading people's movements mind-of-no-mind swordsmanship stuff, and standard new age hippy espers

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>>15746148
>the notion of an ubermensch called newtype should be rejected.
Amen.

>>15748440

All the newtype stuff wasn't in the orginial concepts, being replaced by a hyperintelligent AI in the gundam

>>15747992
Come to think of it, has anyone made an edit of Star Wars to have copious amounts of the newtype flash sound effect?

>>15746372
Being Char's Grandson does that to you though

>>15744018
>they will evolve the ability to telepathically sense and communicate with each other over long distances,
Literally never said this, only talked about a new level of awakening and understanding which is about as vague as any new age-y guff

>>15749779

Source, because I've seen some concepts and such for 0079 and never seen anything like that.

>>15750380

Go to bed Nanai; your cold, lonely, bed.

>>15744031
>>15744017
>>15750393

Except Deikun does talk about how being in space will magically start mutating people.

>And as man's consciousness expands, he will begin to tap the unutilized portions of his cerebrum - the over half of his brain cells since time immemorial, the enormous untapped mental reserves given by God precisely for the new environment of space.

From one of Deikun's speeched in the Mobile Suit Gundam novel.

Also
> the basis of the Newtype theory is the long disproven 'unused brain cell' myth

Deikun confirmed for delusional hack.

>>15750698
>Deikun confirmed for delusional hack

Well, this was before the theory had been discredited, so it's not completely hacky

>>15747913
Every Newtype has enhanced spatial awareness - ie. they "perceive" a 3D space as truly 3D, not a superimposition of 2D and 3D. The "flash" is them perceiving something they're not seeing with their eyes. Like they're being attacked from a blind point - they can "see" that.

Now the rest of the "powers" vary between individuals. Telepathy through feelings/empathy (most of them), mind power (Scirocco), illusions (Judau), and even healing (Shakti's mother).

Can we agree that Gundam writers have neither a sense of continuity nor a Bachelor in Philosophy?

>>15751033

Except that's bullshit because humans already think beyond 3 dimensions, we think in 4 because we include the perception of time.

>>15743969
Real people in the real world used to predict this was going to happen: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/news-blog/us-and-soviet-spooks-studied-parano-2008-10-29/ . Those beliefs probably influenced the idea of Newtypes in the first place. It's not so surprising that a fictional person in a universe based off idea X could come up with an idea similar to X.

>>15751515
Newtypes think Beyond the Time™.

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>>15750427
>Go to bed Nanai; your cold, lonely, bed.

>>15751863

I guess she had to enjoy that, because she certainly wasn't enjoying anything from Char.

>>15751907
Well, CCA videogame shows both her and Char lying naked (or without any visible underwear or something like that) on the bed. So, they definitely had sex.
Nanai wants attention, which Char can't give her because of Quess and his general responsibilities as a leader

>>15751907
Yuri doujin with Nanai BDSMing Quess when?

>>15751958

Char takes comfort in Nanai, but he has no love for her going by the actual film itself. He promises her what appears to be marriage, then two seconds later is promising Quess he loves only her. And then seconds later is telling Gyunei he doesn't care about Quess and is just interested in Amuro and making sure Axis falls. Even when Nanai is lounging around in a bathroom he just has a drink while talking about Amuro and Lalah, then sends her away.

>>15752049
>Even when Nanai is lounging around in a bathroom he just has a drink while talking about Amuro and Lalah, then sends her away.
What do you expect, a sex scene?
>promises
He wants all them to keep fighting next to him, since one of them is a scientist and a manager, two others are great newtypes. I think that it's okay to motivate people in any way possible.

>>15752162

No, I expect some hint of intimacy or something to indicate they actually had sex though. And when Char was somewhere else in the previous scene and wearing not just a robe but pyjamas under the robe in this scene and sitting down contemplatively when the scene starts it doesn't point toward "just fucked" to me. Especially when the scene ends with a clearly frustrated Nanai. And while manipulating people might be a good way to get results, it's also a good indication you don't actually care that much about the people in question. If Char was manipulating Nanai using the possibility of marriage as a motive he probably didn't actually intend to do so.

>>15753862
I like to think that if he succeeded, he would have to fulfill his promises in one way or another.

>>15753890

He literally couldn't fulfill all of them, since two of them are always in direct opposition. His promise to Nanai stands is mutually exclusive to his promise with Quess, while his promise to Quess is incompatible with his words to Gyunei and his words to Gyunei irreconcilable with his promise to Nanai. Really, if he married Nanai he'd be betraying what he said to both Quess and Gyunei, if he shacked up with Quess he'd be betraying both Nanai and Gyunei and if he didn't get with either as he indicated to Gyunei he'd be letting both down.

>>15753907
Quess is underage, by the law she needs a caretaker.
And if parents of Quess are dead, then Char can adopt her.
Also, she could die in a battle, so there's no problem with what to do next

>>15753954

Even if he married Nanai and/or adopted Quess neither would be happy, since adoption isn't what Quess wants and Nanai would never stop suspecting Char's motives for adopting her. Adoption might be what Quess needs, but Char isn't the adopted parent she needs, since Char would only ever see her as a tool and never a child while she'd never be able to settle down under a father figure who didn't see her as a child and wasn't willing to discipline or go against her stated desires.

>>15745327
Dan Slott?

>>15754362
Maybe you're right. After the drop Char would be unable to solve his family issues for next few years. He has EFSF remnants to fight

>>15754362
Clearly Bright should have adopted Quess.

>>15755040
Nah, he would be drinking his ass away if Cheymin and Mirai would get killed.

>>15754396
I lol'd fellow /co/mrade.