Is there any mech that is a bigger jobber than the Kampfer? Fucking

>>15743227

The Wing Gundam and Gundam AGE-3 Orbital at the very least, since one jobs repeatedly while the other is a main characters unit that is defeated with little to no fight on it's first outing.

>>15743227
>I didn't read Char's Deleted Affair: The post

>>15743301
Explain.

>>15743227
>prep time

>>15743227
Did you not pay attention to the show? They explicitly said that the Kampfer doesn't have much armor and was built just to do a quick assault

>>15743227
The Kamfer takes out 3 GM commands, 2 MP Guncannons, and 2 of /m/'s favorite meme suit the GM Sniper II before it runs out of ammo and gets killed by the Alex because Mikhail didn't know about the arm vulcan. Pretty good for a "jobber."

>>15743227
>Fucking thing takes one burst of Alex's built in arm gun and goes down like a bitch.
If don't think that was the hypest shit then you could just get the fuck outta my face. The Tristan tries tho do that in the Twilight Axis novel but gets btfo lel

>>15743469
Also lack of fuel storage so it has next to no staying power as well.

It was designed to do a quick raid, wreck as much shit as possible, and then get out before the enemy can respond. And even then it did pretty damn well against an entire MS complement from the Pegasus-class carrier that was docked in the colony.

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>>15743562
The real question would be which group of Fed suits jobbed the hardest in UC
The ones in 0080,Unicorn or F91?

>>15743582
Probably 0080. The Jegans were grossly outdated in F91 so they kinda have an excuse whereas the Scarlet team had brand spanking new suits and both sides job in Unicorn to varying degrees.

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>>15743591
Still, in 0080 we see a few GM's destroying some Rick Doms and Zakus
In F91 they can't even scratch the paint from the CV suits
I legit wonder how Cosmo Babylon lost that war
It felt like a single grunt could solo 30 Jegans and Heavy Guns without breaking a sweat

The GM Sniper II was meant to suffer as a great unit in side material and games, but job in animated material like 0080 and the K9 in Build Fighters.

>>15743562
While the GMs in 0080 are the kings of jobbers, it bugs me that they're also deployed falling down towards the colony, meaning they can't fire their weapons without hitting civilians and/or buildings. So it's not just incompetence, but also incompetent management.

They were suffering a pretty major handicap compared to somebody who will fire away without concern.

>>15743684

It looked like they only had ballistic weapons so collateral damage would be relatively low.

>>15743582
Towards the late 80s, they certainly tried to get the Feds a few more kills despite Feds jobbing 90% of the time.

War in the Pocket had the Cold Climate GMs killing a Hygogg, and in F91 the had the Federation fleet stage a surprise volley while killing civilians.

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>>15743582
Unicorns had the least jobbing, from both sides. On the Feddie side you had the Byarlant dunking on the Zeon remnants and the Stark Jegan nearly killing off Marida, while on the Zeek side you had the Efreet Schneid being an edgelord and Yonem Kirks killing off guys with his Zaku 1 sniper. You can give Unicorn a lot of shit, but it gave a lot of cool moments to the grunt suits.

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>>15743722
There was also that moment where a ReZel was bullying a Geara Zulu
And the Juagg wrecking two Nemo's

0080 really does have a lot of squash matches.

>>15743621
>I legit wonder how Cosmo Babylon lost that war
MP F-91s?

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>>15743684
>but also incompetent management.
Blame that all on Major Stuart. Then he went on to become captain of the Thoroughbred and the Phantom Sweeps in 0081. Don't worry he was still in incompetent leader.
Too bad for the Thoroughbred though. It went from that captain to a chickenshit captain that takes orders from Gopp in MSV-R

>>15743766
>And the Juagg wrecking two Nemo's
>juagg blocks beam saber with fingers
>GM 3 follows up with beam javelin and slices fingers off with one clean strike
I guess if it had anti-beam coating then it was only good for one block.

>>15743927
speaking about to beam javelin. Is this the 1st time its been used in a UC animated work since 0079?

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>>15743942
Probably
the only other instance I can recall is the Ground Gundams from Thunderbolt using them, but that came out after Unicorn
I want to say Zeta or Victory but I'm not sure

>>15743964
>>15743942

They definitely use them in Victory Gundam

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>>15743983
Yeah you right, with the tech specs calling it a beam javelin. But the way it's describe sounds like an updated version to the twin-beam spear though:
>A triple beam saber with long pole handle.

>>15744043
Spears are just knives with long handles

>>15744059
Knives are just spears with short handles.

>>15743227
It died after it destroyed an entire carrier's complement of MS's though.

>Weapon racks were designed to be ejected from the unit as they were expended, minimizing dead weight.

How fucking expensive was it to run a single sortie with this thing? I guess they chose beam sabers to reduce the footprint of the melee weapon over an axe. I guess they charge it before the sortie and don't draw extra power during the sortie unless they need to as they have 2 of them so double battery life on them.

How long does it take to refuel/recharge a battery? And how expensive were the weapons and hard points? The Kampfer carries 6 disposable weapons on 5 hard points to reduce the reload time by not carrying any extra ammo so it only has 30 shots per sortie (9 rounds per shotgun, 5 for each bazooka, 2 Sturm Faust).

>>15743233
the wing gundam only jobs to its self destruct button.

>>15743564
Should have installed an upgraded version of the Nu's vulcans. Those things shred armour like a saw cutting through wet paper.

>>15746519
Ronahs are space Jews and probably didn't want to shell out the cash for the tech despite having to replace the Alex's head (and arm) anyways.

>>15743722
WHAT WAS YOUR PLAN, DUDE?

>>15746499
wow...wow...wow...........wow..wow....

>>15743621
>Still, in 0080 we see a few GM's destroying some Rick Doms and Zakus

And? Rick Dom, Zakus, and GMs were all developed in the same era. Hell, even within the same year or two. Jegans were 30 years old by the time they tried to fight off the CV suits, which were brand new at the time.

>>15743227
>Is there any mech that is a bigger jobber than the Kampfer?

There's at least fifty. Pretty sure the GM is one of them. Stay mad.

>>15743621
>In F91 they can't even scratch the paint from the CV suits
not true, they actually do take out some CV suits, just not in that initial invasion

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>>15743227
Did someone say jobber?

>>15746628
Ronah? Like the Ronah family from F91?

>>15748150
Yes, Buch concern.

>>15745203
It's a OYW suit (before reactors became powerful enough for widespread usage of beam weaponry) explicitly designed for special operations. The Kampfer's loadout is intended to enable it to cause extreme destruction in a short period of time, before it must either withdraw or is destroyed. For such a specialized machine, unit cost of its weapons probably wouldn't be a huge problem - especially if the suit itself can be used as a one-shot "silver bullet" for a Zeon commander.

>>15743722
>jegan and rezels doing some topgun shit vs Banshee
>even jim2 gets an assist

given the japs' post-Tomino hateon for visors and feddies in general, unicorn gave us a pretty good deal for grunts on both sides

I wanted to say 0080 but then I saw your and this anon's gifs and remember what a slaughter F91 was.
>>15743582
>>15743621

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>>15748150
http://www.zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=3959
Go read that shit right now, nigger.
Don't bother with the adaptation, it was doomed to failure from the beginning.

>>15744059
>>15744073
arrows are just tiny spears

bullets are just spears with no handle being fired from a gunpowder powered atlatl

>>15743621
Anon, have you seen results from when Gen 5 fighter jets do wargames with Gen 4 aircraft? F22 and F35s put up obscene kill/death rates against F15s and F16s, 30 year gap in war tech is huge, especially as stagnant as the EF got post 0093

>>15747139
Grunt MSs can't fight newtype remote weaponry, once it shot all of it's long range weaponry the best option was to close to melee and hope for a lucky quick kill, because trying to duel at long range was suicide,

basically it was super low chance of success vs zero chance of success

>>15743722
That Stark Jegan pilot is a glorious bastard. I knew he was going down the entire time but I was really rooting for him. I love the little moments in Unicorn when the grunts prove any mobile suit can be dangerous and shouldn't be taken lightly in case a badass is at the controls.

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>>15747236
>MFW Cherno Alpha and Crimson Typhoon were the jaegers I was most looking forward to.

>>15743227
The Alex's forearm Gatling guns were 90mm.
90! That's a big fucking bullet.

>>15743722
Gotta wonder how much different later fights would have gone if that guy had survived trying to solo Marida and been around for the later Nahel Argama battles. All their other faceless pilots seemed to mostly be green, only the ones with names were any good.

>>15743722
Man, scenes like this were ones that made me love Unicorn... that and the OST. Seeing animated proof that the pilot is more important than the machine in deciding most fights was great, and made some of my runs in Federation vs Zeon's campaign mode feel so much more correct (what do you mean, my Zaku II can't destroy five RX-79(G)s in one battle)...

So much Grunt MS love in that series...

>>15743684
The fed's didn't really care all to much about collateral damage to colonies did they?

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>Your favorite suit doesn't even land a hit on screen aside from that one space battle

just end me

>>15748511
That's a mook, not a jobber. Jobbers are established bad-asses that get rekt by a bigger bad-ass to prop them up.

>>15748511

That wasn't in a space battle, it was in a colony interior battle though. The GM Commands with the red chests were for space, grey chests for colony interiors but they could operate in space just not as well as the Space Types.

>>15748495
That's what I liked about playing Zeonic Front. Stupidity and carelessness would get you raped by superior suits, especially Gundam types, but it wasn't impossible to out maneuver them.

Except that one mission where you have to scout White Base and Amuro is a goddamned terrifying monster.

>>15748547
There's only two Gundams to worry about, Ground Gundams go down in one shot to the back like any other MS. Most Ground Gundams don't even pack beam rifles

>>15747236

Crimson Typhoon was more of a fail than Cherno

Cherno could at least argue it's an old piece of shit, Typhoon just straight up failed

>>15748547
Hence, "White Devil".

>>15748576
It's been a long time but I think I was mainly thinking about the Mudrock Gundam. The Ground Gundams are just grunts in disguise.

>>15748654
Well the Midnight Fenrir encounter it twice, one time it doesn't have a beam rifle so its just got tough armor the second time is the most dangerous since now its hovering and is using a beam rifle, a lot of mission failures because it destroyed all the allied tanks.

Ground Gundams are more like elite grunts, they do have better armor and sensors and the ones that do carry a beam rifle can ruin your day.

>>15748547
I want a series where you follow a bunch of shit tier grunts across a bunch of battles but they all get raped and killed by a gundam.
There need to be more pieces of media where the Gundam is a faceless demon.

>>15748694
Yeah, stuff like Amuro doing his sadistic counting while your bros are just dropping like flies is horrifying.

We got a small taste of it in Thunderbolt S1 I think, specifically that first person perspective scene where the Full Armor Gundam is just taking the helpless Zaku apart.

>>15748511
A Command kills that Cyclops Unit member at the beginning of 0080 on Earth.

Space Command gets a few kills in 0080.

Also check out the intro video to 0081 Senki for more Space Command

>>15748761
That was a Cold Climate type that downed a Hygogg
A ground-type Command blows up some fuel stacks (along with a zaku fz, itself and likely some civilians) and one of them shot down Bernie off screen, so I guess that counts for something.

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>>15743722
>Efreet Schneid being an edgelord
That edgelord has a name, Fred Reber

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>>15748511
It wasn't all that bad , I had the chance to pilot the 79gm to RGM79SPll they were all decent grunt suits and took out quite alot of zeeks .

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You wanna talk about jobbers? Here you go.

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War in the pocket is the only UC OVA that I haven't seen, is it worth a watch?

>>15751236
Yes, but you need to leave here and watch it now. Or else you'll be spoiled.

>>15749239
Shit, Grape Ninja Efreet had a name? Was he in The Noble Shroud too?

>>15751125
I don't see how that was a jobber at all.
This guy performed incredibly well since his MS was completely retarded. It was a ground use MS with no thrusters at all that depended on those wires and other MS puling it to get around. And they didn't give it any ranged weapons, just the chain mines and those shields. The fact that it landed on the ship and got to hit anything at all was a fucking miracle.

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>Kicks ass for 5 mins
>Kills 3 aces
>Fought the MC valiantly
>Muh 1000 Folded Steel Bullshit
>Ends up dying
>3 killed aces turns to be alive

There is no more jobber than this guy

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>>15743227

Why you gotta hate on my favorite zeon MS :(

It's tearing me apart

>>15753186
>Kills 3 aces
>3 killed aces turns to be alive
That has to be the most blatant bait-and-switch I've ever seen.
>He's so dangerous, he killed three aces in under a minute!
>oh wait they're still alive
>...How was he dangerous again?

>>15743360
The Kampfer gets used again, and it's not a jobber MS. It's kind of weird to see it used exclusively in space rather than under gravity, but it works and works well despite it relying often on jury-rigged parts somehow (as it's post-OYW and there's obviously no new Zeon production for late war experimental Zeon MS like the Kampfer).
That's more or less it. It's also piloted by a fuccboi dickass, but that's hardly an issue of the MS.

>>15753164
He's from Missing Link on the PS3.

>>15751125
>>15753174
>Ground gundam
>in space
>with no ranged weapons
all of my fucking why?

Also how was a ground gundam rated for space? Why do they pressurize ground MSs for space combat?

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>>15753212
>S2
>Ein is somehow still alive
>OH SHIT! HE'S INSIDE VIDAR HE'LL GET HIS REVENGE! DIE EVIL ORPHANZ!!!!
>Mobile Armor Arc
>Oh Vidar Ein! Time to kick McPedo's ass!
>Vidar! Kill the Mobile Armor!
>Got pussied and didn't fought McGillis nor the Mobile Armor
>"I got gainz" meme
>Coup Arc
>Ein confirmed Gundam Vidar. Boner goes higher than Mount Everest.
>Not yelling "CRANK-NII!!!" when activated, boner killed.
>7 episodes left, did nothing really significant
>Henshin!
>Fought nerfed McGillis
>Finally got burned and died for good

Even in death Ein still jobbed harder than Jerid. At least Jerid killed Camille's mom and some friends, this guy became mobile suit TWICE, yet he got no kill at all.

>>15753278
Honestly, I think Bilancia begged really hard to get a MS with no backpach so that he can go full buddy system with the Zssa and punch suckers to death.

Only to get BTFO by a fuel tank.

>>15753186
>One of the aces was explicitly implied to have their head chopped in half and another got impailed by a fucking pile driver
>They just walk it off like nothing happened
I liked the characters but don't pretend to kill them only to bring them back

>>15753483
And then kill them again

>>15753483
Dude gotta sell waifu figures.
But it did bother me that the one pilot survived getting a giant metal axe through the skull. Like blood was spashed all over the cockpit and stuff.

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>>15743227
>are hyped up to be Zeon aces
>Even Char and other Zeon soldiers think they could have beaten Amuro
>get rekt in one episode
I was looking forward to them being at least a 3-4 episode threat, but Amuro fucking murders them like it is nothing, and they are never mentioned again. Yet somehow, these guys are still popular in the fandom.

>>15753530
Poor Dom. Maybe gets a grand total of one kill in MSG and doesnt really shine until the OVAs

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>>15753483
>>15753515

>>15753550
卑怯な死人は死なない、だから日本はゾンビが多い

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>>15753551

>>15753530
Seed Destiny DOM Troopers were honestly better, as much as it greatly pains me to say this. For one, we got to see a Jet Stream Attack that actually worked and they were vets with none of that bullshit soap-opera tier backstories.

>>15753194
I cum everytime.

>>15753530
The Black Tri-Stars' introduction was the hypest shit in MSG. I never really felt let down by their showing, it just seems like an incredibly pointless encounter looking back on it.

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might as well

>>15753363
Fucking why? What benefit is there to have no thrusters?

>>15753515
Don't underestimate the power of Band-Aids and mommy kisses. You'd be suprised what they are capable of curing

>>15753754
Maybe he figured he was that good.

>>15747236
>literally a first gen Jaeger
>only goes down when it gets doubleteamed after continuing to punch kaiju face after getting a faceful of acid
Cherno train has no brakes.

>>15753754
Because shut up.

>>15753530
Amuro had to have an awakening to stop them, though. They turned him into a real threat in the show.

>>15743227
>Is there any mech that is a bigger jobber than the Kampfer?

Probably the GM Sniper or really every robot in 0080 that is in it for two seconds yet still sells an epic amount of toys and models. But in all seriousness why doesn't every MS have Alex's forearm gatlings they are like the most OP small weapon in Gundam.

>>15743722

To be honest no scene in Unicorn topped this fight in terms of content + choreography to music.

>>15756396
OP against MS with paper-thin armor in very close range, yeah

>>15747236
Nigga it's a gen 1. Chinks failed far harder

>>15760704
>>15755343
Doesn't matter what mark it was; if the plot had called for it to be the hero, it would have stood alone and beaten everything. Fact is it was hyped up in promotional material and barely got any screen time before being taken down to make the threat look bit. That's a jobbing; the grizzled veteran and the advanced new kid get taken down in moments. Monster established as badass.