Why did IBO nerf McGillis piloting abilities between s1 and s2?

>>15685663
Maybe because worst gundam sucked hard.

>>15685663
In S1 McGillis fights inexperienced pilots. In S2 McGillis fights a vet tekkadan pilot.

>>15685663
I think he stays pretty decent throughout; everyone else just gets better. Gaelio in their first 1v1 was also kind of freaking out, which is a great way to make mistakes that a calm opponent can exploit. In their last fight, McGillis himself wasn't exactly stable and he still did quite well.

>>15685712
>he stays pretty decent throughout
nah, OP's right he gets nerfed. In S1 his piloting skills are good enough that he's able to go toe-to-toe against Mika, w/ his triple AV and Gundam, in what's essentially a grunt suit off of his own skill. His beat up of Gaelio in S1, while partia;;y could be influenced by Gaelio panicking, is still a mostly effortless affair, and panicking or not, when your opponent is in a Gundam and you're in a lower spec suit like the Grimgerde, beig able to defeat him so easily shows how good he's at it. Now in S2, where he gets Bael, and the AV system to go along with piloting it, his performance should've been alot better than what we ended up getting, which sums up quite alot of aspects of this show

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>>15685663
Because he was set up to be MSG/Zeta Char and ended up CCA Char.

>>15685745
Gaelio with Vidar is on par with the Mika that fought against the Graze Ein and Hashmal. It's a huge difference from Mika who was a shit pilot getting almost schooled by Lafter mere episodes ago.

If anything it's impressive for McGillis to fight on par with Gaelio + Type-E without giving up any body parts.

>>15685663
>crazy accuracy and swift strikes
>Missed the cockpit

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>>15685663

His strategy skills?
>Kept getting out maneuvered by Rustals war.
>never anticipated that even with Bael, Gallahorn members would refuse to follow him
>was eager to fight Rustal only to lose,
>never leaked Rustals actions for the Dort massacres or Ioks awakening the MA to get them more negative opinions from the public (which would of disturbed Rustals positive image from his manipulation of the media)
>allowed his "father" to live even though he could of exposed Mcgillis true origins which lead him to being disowned from Gallahorn in the end.
>Never collected Kimaris after S1, or even realized it was missing after.

his combat skills
>Aston and Takaki,
understandable that he didnt want to kill them, But why he did end up killing Aston but not Galio is just stupid.
>Gets pwned by the MA
Understandable since his MS was way too basic. But his subordinate should of done better.
> gets beaten back by Galio in battle, despite having both a gundam and the AS system.
THe circumstances are similar in that Galio still has a more powerful upgraded MS compared to Bael, with the differences being that Galios has a more powerful AS system and Mcgillis's hand is damaged.
>Gets beaten in last battle
the "Unbreakable swords" break, and loses at last second because plot despite being on top the majority of the fight.


what they did to Mcgillis was by far the worse part of S2 and IBO in general. He was shown as calculating, cunning, strategic, combat skilled and dominating in S1. A Man with a well thought out plan whose skills in weaker MS where superior or on par to Mika and Galio.
then in S2, they intentionally screwed him up just so that he'd lose.
Orignally, he and Tekkedan where supposed to win but they changed the ending to be more tragic. At least they could of written it better instead of making ass pull adjustments to fit their intentions. Nagai and Okada should jump off a cliff and IBO should be remade with better consistency and decent plot progress.

>>15686368
>Orignally, he and Tekkedan where supposed to win but they changed the ending to be more tragic.

I understand you're upset but I won't tolerate such blatant bullshit. Nagai has said time and time again that the protagonists were always going to die. The ending we got was the "soft" ending that okada and other staff members pushed for. Originally Nagai wanted all the Tekkadan members to still be underground digging their way out when he hanated their ass with dainsleifs and killed them.

>>15685663
Because lack of coherence between plot and character.

>>15686396
>Take Nagai seriously
Opinion discarded on the grounds of Nagai also said Tekkedan was evil.

The only times they've been ruthless was to those to deserved it.
The CCG guys who saw them as expendable trash? Fine.

THe Gallahorn members who wanted Kudelia dead in order to get into the good craces of Gallahorns higher ups? cool.

The Pirates paid to attack them? understandable.

Carta who abused her authority to hunt them in countries that Gallahorn had no authority to be in? then used maximum force to crush them and only asked for an honorable duel after she failed? Fine.

Ein and Gallahorn who where interfering in another countries elections to put one of their own lackeys in power? good!

The Business man who hired pirates to kill them and Kudelia, refused to acknowledge his actions, refused to pay Tekkadan back for their damages while also trying to call Gallahorn and his own men to attack Tekkadan? good riddance!

The Traitor in the Earth branch and the Gallahorn mercenary who manipulated Tekkadan members to fight and die in a war Gallahorn ensured to discredit Mcgillis while laughing the Tekkeden members where obedient dogs and human debris? Felt good man.

Jasely for framing the Turbines and bringing in Illegal weaponry into action again? finally!

All the Arinhood members who where ordered to crush them, ignored their surrender, re used illegal weaponry multiple times on them, manipulated the media to make Tekkedan seem evil to the simple minded, and hid their own wrongdoings to appear like the protagonists? If only they killed more. Even Iok wasn't satisfying.

Everything Tekkadan did was a pragmatic response to those who tried to harm them. only Cranks death could be seen as evil, but its what the old man asked for anyway. That and helping Mcgills to capture Bael, but its was all in response to the corrupted Gallahorns workings and their way of fighting for a better lifestyle for Mars that Gallahorn clearly didnt care for.

Fuck outta here

>>15686396
>Wont Tolerate Bullshit
>Arinhood Fleets organizes a massacre of Dort workers so that the workers don't get any benefits or better conditions

>Galio is seen killing Gallahorn MS fighters multiple times due to Kimaris speed and his poor accuracy, but no condemnations.

>Ein AS MS brings condemnation against Gallahorn, but instead of getting rid of it, they make the AS-E system, enhancing it.

>Rustal organizes a war to bring down Mcgillis reputation.

>Iok Awakens a Mobile armor and only gets a slap on the wrist. Even after it killed hundreds of civilians, no one on mars ever complained

>A coup is organized by Mcgillis on the grounds of illegal weapon use and ensuring wars caused by the Arinhood fleet, yet Rustal still gets a positive image and is never questioned on such things after becoming leader of new Gallahorn.

>Rustal creating a more free-er Gallahorn puts himself at risk since it would allow people to investigate his actions. So either he has a hold on the media still and silences those who would bring it up, or he allows himself to be vulnerable which is unlikely, contradicting the 'Free world Mcgillis wanted' Atra narrates about.

>Rustal and his war pal care for Julietta, even though both are seen mocking Tekkedan for being 'Rats' or 'Debris trash' despite Julietta apparently being the same.

>Rustal uses the Dainsleives on his own people, "conveniently" has multiple dainsleives organized to use against mcgillis and no one questions it, leaving him with a popular image.

>Refuses Tekkedans surrender to "make a point", leading to several of his own men being killed needlessly.then uses Dainsleives on Mars surface.

>leaves evidence of Tekkedan last stand, most likely with the Dainsleives bolts, later said that he got the media out before he used them since he'd 'get in trouble'. The evidence is still there in Ground.

And yet, people still defend this with headcannon since the actual series cannot and call Rustal a hero. That's bullshit.

>>15685663
According to producer Ogawa in the most recent Great Mechanics G interview it was because thry went the Gaelio lives and takes revenge. Yes they had to literally make McGillis a retarded jobber to have Gaelio win convincingly.

>>15686599
Nagai originally planned to kill the entire Tekkadan by Dainsleif carpet bombing of their base. In the Last Flag event brochure Okada said he's never been this insistent on any of their collabs regarding Tekkadan's fate. Just because he's retarded when it comes to morally evaluating Tekkadan doesn't negate the fact that he did want to kill all of them. In the Documents guide book he also said he didn't particularly care about anybody except wanting a satisfying death for Mika and Orga. That's an unseen amount of directorial disdain and disregard for the protagonists. It was only after he got his ass slammed for his after series comments that he's started reconsidering and apologizing in some recent mag interviews. Like the one in new Animage where he said he wants to make a happy OVA if the fans forgive him.

>>15686845
>win convincingly
Didn't convince me with how much they railroaded the plot. Garma's are just too naive to win a revenge plot. It makes no sense to keep your identity hidden after the Char clone attempted to kill you unless you plan on never going back to your past identity and living in obscurity. If Gaelio had returned and revealed his identity and what happened as soon as possible, McGillis wouldn't have gained enough political clout to have any chance of waging war. But because of his easily manipulated ego, he lets Rustal manipulate the situation that could've been quickly resolved in an arrest develop into a civil war where Rustal holds all the cards (namely his survival) and ultimately becomes not only the political ruler of Gjallajorn but the other Earth economic blocs and the rest of the Seven Stars discarded, which likely would've been exactly what McGillis was going for, except for the fact that Rustal has a degree of control over the mass media like no other

>>15685663
>Why did IBO nerf McGillis piloting abilities between s1 and s2?
Because they had to somehow justify Rustal and Gaelio winning, so they turned McGillis into a literal retard who can't think two steps ahead of himself in S2. Like, it makes no sense for McGillis to basically play almost everyone like puppets in the first season and then turn into an idiot who thinks Gjallarhorn will completely submit to him if he somehow gets his mitts on Beal.

>>15686935
>It makes no sense to keep your identity hidden after the Char clone attempted to kill you unless you plan on never going back to your past identity and living in obscurity.
I know, it's absolutely retarded and makes zero sense no matter the angle. They rolled out the fujo pandering shit with wanting to understand McGillis but even that makes no sense because the same goal could have been achieved by having McGillis prosecuted and locked up. After all Gaelio makes it clear he never intended to forgive McGillis, he even made sure to kill him before he had the chance to forgive him. They just wanted to have Gaelio pose as a hero but fucked up even that because he ended up siding with a war criminal. This show is a literal clusterfuck with no good ways out.

>>15686915
>Like the one in new Animage where he said he wants to make a happy OVA if the fans forgive him.
So not only he is edgefag, he is also a pussy.

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>>15685663

>McGillis was nerfed

Except he wasn't. People are forgetting the two brief scenes of him one man armying a whole legion by himself in Bael and are just focusing on his loss to Gaelio (who had help to do it through Ein) and his capture by Aston. (who took him by surprise anyway)

>>15685705
What ? He wrecked gaelio in an inferior suit no problem.. in s2 he was having this 'fog of hesitation' or whatever but after that was 'lifted' he was fine and once he had bael he fucked uo everyone he would've beaten gali if gali didn't have ein suoerchsring his ass

>>15687088
>inferior suit no problem
Kimaris doesn't have its AV back in S1. Its weaker than Grimgerde.

>>15687095
What about the single reactor Grimgerde makes it superior to the dual reactor Kimaris?

>>15687095
How is it weaker than grimgerde .. kimaris is a gundam with two ahab reactors .. I will admit gali was shitting himself so he wasn't of sound mind

>>15687104
Gundam units are meant to be used with AV system. If you take those off them, it would be much weaker.

Valkyrie units are meant to rival full power AV Gundams back in Calamity era. It should be easily superior to gimped Gundams.

>Kept getting out maneuvered by Rustals war.

Justified in that he bought into the fact that Gundam Frames were nigh invulnerable

>never leaked Rustals actions for the Dort massacres or Ioks awakening the MA to get them more negative opinions from the public (which would of disturbed Rustals positive image from his manipulation of the media)

They have already cashed in that with Kudelia's speech, the previous Arianhod commander is used as a scapegoat.

And remember, no one could have forseen the MA, all they thought was coming to investigate and the worst is Iok taking a time out, it would have done little to stop Rustal from negotiating with Jasley on Iok's behalf seeing that "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" adage

>>15687120
Except that the mechanics in IBO make it quite clear that Ahab particles function similar to GN particles, aka strengthening the frame and weapon strikes, so it doesn't matter that Galileo didn't have an av, since Mcgillis didn't either Galileo still had a ms that completely outstripped the Grimgerde in performance.
Hell it's actually worse since the Grimgede was desined to be light weight, which means it needs to rely on momentum to overcome the lighter weight of it's frame.

>>15685663
He was actually doing pretty well up until he goes up against Gaelio.

>>15687165
Its freaking simple.
Grimgerde is designed without AV.
Kimaris is designed with AV.
One is at full strength, one is crippled.

It being a lightweight is irrelevant since it meant to fight that way.

>>15687031
>taking out grunts
>impressive
you make it sound like he took on a 100 grunts at once and won. it was barely 10 at most. nothing to brag about

>>15687176
I literally pointed out that Grimgerde has weaker meleee attacks due to being lighter and having a single ahab reactor in comparison to Kimaris's two. As for Grimgerde being designed to not utilize Alaya-Vjnanya, that makes no sense since, A) That's literally not stated in ANY materials about it. And B) It was developed as a lightweight machine at the same time as the Gundam Frames that relies on precise control in order to not have it lighter blows just bounce off the enemies armor, aka the exact kind of machine that would benefit from having an AV system. hell considering the Rodi-frames are AV compatible, its more than likely that Most if not all pilots during the calamity wars had an AV, since it only became taboo afterwards.

>>15687120
>Gundam units are meant to be used with AV system. If you take those off them, it would be much weaker.
>source: my ass

>>15687215
Only Gundams had AV in calamity war. It was also state that valkyrie frames fought alongside Gundams in the calamity war and held their own. The AV was created alongside Gundams.

>>15687342
An organic device system, it is an old type of man-machine interface. Apparently, the system was developed during the Calamity War to maximize the abilities of mobile suits, hence most mobile suits from that era, like the Gundam Frames, are compatible with it.
Taken direct from the Gundam wiki.

>>15685745
The grimgerde isn't that much lower spec'd than the Gundams. Remember the Valkyria frame was the competing design choice during the calamity war.

>>15687357
Thing is, the Ahab Waves/Particles function similar to GN particles, in that they strengthen the armor, frame and melee strikes of the mobile suits. So a Gundam unit that has two parallel Ahab reactors is stronger than the Grimgerde.
Plus it's stated that the Valkyrja frame had the POTENTIAL to be the main combat machine on the battle field, but it was developed around the same time as the gundam frame which was shown to be superior, considering that 72 gundam frames were made in comparison to the Valkyrja's 10 or so, that imples they weren't considered all that special. The wiki also states that there isn't much information on the Valkyrja combat records during the calamity war.

>>15687347
"People with the same vision gathered, and an organization beyond countries and economic blocs was formed. They invented a system maximizing the maneuverability of Mobile Suites, mans greatest military power. In other words, they invented the Alaya-Vijnana System. And they created 72 Mobile Suits that would display its fully potential. Gundam Frames."

>>15685696
Why in the fuck are you bringing up G-Reco in an IBO thread, are you autistic?

>>15686915
Link to the interview?

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>>15685663
>holding back against suicidal cyborg kids that you didn't want to kill
>still win
Besides his fights outside that one during s2 were
>fighting a killing machine in a grunt suit instead of Bael or his Grimgerde
>Stupid injury on hand cripples him twice during combat and rendered him unable to use his dual wield skills properly
>sword got lost during the first fight against Arianhrod
>sword got lost again during final fight
>sword suddenly broke during his final fight
>Uses a uncustomised relic compared to pretty much all the other Gundams used which were overhauled by that time (KV, Lupus Rex, Full City, RGIV) for current day fights
>guy who he beat was less of a crying unfocused twat during that fight compared to Edmonton and had an advantage in the form of superior AV technology and specicalised kit compared to Trooper
It can be called asspulls and I'm not happy he didn't shine at all compared to his smaller amount of fights but those are the reasons there.

>>15687514
>beat kids
>somehow this is impressive

>>15687525
>not beating up kids in giant robots

>>15687514
>cripples him twice

>>15688643
I forget, did Almaria's stab not trigger then in the second fight? If so then I'm wrong on that regard, only happened in that fight near earth than during the final one with Gali. whoops.

People think that Choco was being nerfed in S2 when actually it was Gali that being buffed up with AV-Ein and Rustal backing. Also with some gains.

>>15687347
I think one of the early books/pamphlets said AV was made for mobile workers in space. It was on an animesuki thread

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>>15686396
how can the content creator have such a horrible disconnect with his own work, I will never understand.
Honestly reading through what he wanted to do, it seems like he just wanted to leave his mark on gundam by being edgy as fuck. And not "meme edgy", legitimately corporate edgy.

>>15685663
>nerf McGillis
More like everybody else received buffs.

>>15689188
>Mika with all his Barbatos upgrades and his Alana Vjyana somehow couldn't kill a monkey

Fucking bullshit, the plot armor on Rustal's faction was literally the worst.

>mfw stupid monkey cannot understand or empathise what it is like to be hunted down because she's always the one hunting people down and murdering them
>We are somehow supposed to believe she is a good person because Rustal and Gaelio say so

>>15689180
One of the rumours i heard was that he was pissy about Ein getting killed off so he wanted to kill Mika and Orga as "revenge" no clue if it's true though

>>15689435
>Barely escape death = sheer win through perfect victory
Welp, that explains about the complain of Zeon being portrayed as righteous noble freedom fighter just because they never appeared like a baby-eating nazis.

>>15689435
Monkey was retarded and couldn't think for herself to the very end. She just went whichever direction Rustal told her to. The narrative around it is a bunch of hypocritical shit because while the Tekkadan kids get brutally killed to demonstrate how bad it is to blindly follow someone, this worthless piece of shit gets praised and glorified in the interviews as the next incarnation of Jeanne D'arc.

>>15688884
I think he completely recovered by then since they didn't show McGillis hand hurting like the 1st fight.

>>15686941

What was McGillis going to do, fight an entire fleet by himself? Gaelio had technology that made him equal if not more powerful, and anyway Rustal would've won through sheer attrition.

He simply couldn't win. He was fucked the moment he failed to kill Gaelio.

>>15685663
Bad writing, forget the S2 like it never happened.
I already deleted it off my PC and only plan on getting S1.
There is only 1 season to IBO. Only gayleo fags like S2. And they should be put down,

>>15692418
Too be fair, up to Hashmal it was.. okay, it sucked ass after that though.

I agree S2 was better than S1.

>>15689435

You know, that makes no sense. Just because someone's the enemy of the protagonists doesn't mean they're inherently a bad person: Juliet's repeatedly shown throughout the show to have a code of her own, and have character development all the way 'till the end.

Do you empathize with, say, ISIS child soldiers? Yes. But you certainly aren't going to spare them when they're trying to kill you.

>>15690637

Why would she want to knock a good thing? There's literally no reason for her to rebel against Rustal, who dotes on her in his own way. At the end of the story, she's basically the greatest hero of Gjallhorn.

>>15692418
>not watching up to ep 13 of S2 then thinking it went into MA hunting

>>15692418
found the macky fangirl

>>15692565
>Juliet's repeatedly shown throughout the show to have a code of her own

Yeah, "kill anyone Rustal wants regardless of whether they are innocent or otherwise"

>>15692897

> implying that isn't all she needs to succeed in life.

>>15692897

Are Tekkadan actually innocent of anything? They DID support Macky, and they DID rebel against Gjallhorn. Both of those are entirely true, and those are the only crimes that really matter. It's not like Rustal wanted to avenge Jasley or something.

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>>15692565
>Juliet's repeatedly shown throughout the show to have a code of her own, and have character development all the way 'till the end.
>>15692916
>>15692916
>and those are the only crimes that really matter
That's not but there actions are still nowhere near as bad as GH wherein your entire argument falls flat.

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Why did monkey eat a butterfly in her first appearance? That still bugs me.

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>>15692993
She used to be a orphan. She probably ate bugs to stay alive unlike McGillis and Hush who ate trash.

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Only matter that Ride is gonna take revenge.

The pic is mine, fin me as FUTON'S BLOG. Reblog!

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>>15692966
>Fanboys of Macky, a person who believe in might make right, are crying it's unfair that his enemy was bringing out their bigger toy to their game.

>>15693138
Literally Mafty Ride F.Seiei

>>15693378

>Bigger
>Not biggest and best

MS Option Set Dainsleif when?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZKBQuITO0A

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>>15695230
HANATE

>>15695176
And then was being put down by his old crews before people knows what was happened while he accomplish nothing.

>>15686915
>It was only after he got his ass slammed for his after series comments that he's started reconsidering and apologizing in some recent mag interviews. Like the one in new Animage where he said he wants to make a happy OVA if the fans forgive him.

Did Nagai say anything else?

>>15696155
Not before stealing Bael, painting it red and going on a rampage.

>>15686915
Tekkadan weren't on any moral high ground.

>>15700713
They were on a moral Mt. Everest compared to gjallarshits.

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>>15687405
>G-Reco
What the fuck anon. Do you have ham hands? How did you manage to type G-reco when you went to type Turn A?

>>15702528
Ride is definitely going to ruin their lives with his autistic need for revenge.

>>15702673
The fact that you care so much about something that'll never happen let alone for something like IBO is really fucking sad.

>>15702731
IBO movie was confirmed by Kengo. How does it feel to get BTFO?

>>15702782
>IBO movie was confirmed by Kengo
Cool horseshit bro and even then it'll be a compilation like every Gundam series gets

>>15702826
Knowing the shitty luck being a fan of IBO brings, you're more than likely right about it being a compilation movie.

McGillis was right.

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Anyone know if they still show MSV info at the end of each chapter/volume like they did before?

>>15700713

here you go: they where grey at best.>>15686599

what makes them more morally higher than Gallahorn is that Gallahorn is displayed to the world as the good people. the ones who keep law and order, maintain democracy, and are SUPPOSED to be the morally correct people.

Instead, you get this:>>15686646
Which makes them worse in all aspect because it goes against everything they're supposed to be against.

Tekkedan are IBOs that want a better life for themselves. War is all they know and they strive to be free of that lifestyle and even develop new skills to do so. No one expects them to hold any morals or values because they where never in the place to maintain law and order for anyone but themselves, yet somehow managed to come off as 'knights of the revolutionary maiden' at and folk heroes at some point. In the end, they owned who they where and what they did, never pretended to be justice or law bringers, they where who they where and tried to become better people. Thats what makes them better than Gallahorn who hid everything, commited mass war crimes, ensured massacres and hid everything to pretend that they where the victims or champions of justice.

>>15687145
>And remember, no one could have forseen the MA, all they thought was coming to investigate and the worst is Iok taking a time out, it would have done little to stop Rustal from negotiating with Jasley on Iok's behalf seeing that "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" adage

And that makes it all right that so many people got killed?

And Mcgillis took all the necessary steps to ENSURE the MA never woke up, its never stated but its extreamly likely he wanted to dismantle it piece by piece.

Remember, Mcgillis ordered (or warned) Orga to stop all mining activity around the Mobile Armor, and told him about its orgin and workings to kill humans. He Knew full well what it would do if it woke up, and even told Gallahorn that he went in mars in secret in order to avoid any trouble, which is exactly what Iok caused.

Instead of tell the population of Mars and earth that a relic of the calamity war was woken up by an incompetent head of a seven starts family who wanted to undermine another, leading to death and destruction of both a civilian facility and gallahorn barracks, it looks like only the people in power where ever told. There should of been mass public backlash had Mcgillis leaked to them "i had a plan, but this asshole ruined it and now people are dead". It definitely would of put him and Tekkedan in a more favorable light, and would of made people more sympathetic to the coup they launched, making them come off as those who wanted to get rid of incompetent leaders who needlessly caused the death of others.

At the very least, Iok should of been stripped of his powers and authority, putting him in no position to converse with Jasely or framing the Turbines. Instead, for waking up a power of mass destruction he gets "grounded"... and people thought Tekkedans destruction was supposed to be realistic, even after this sort of thing is pulled off that would lead to it.

Macky is a kid.
That's the whole theme of IBO.
He's a genius, but a manchildren nonetheless.
They are all manchildren, everysingle character except Turbine and Rustal are

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>>15703153

>>15692418
>>15692430
IBO literally had the best final of a Gundam serie since Turn A.

>>15703160
>One of the most boring final fights in franchise
>A bunch of characters you don't care about dying
>That terribad epilogue which undoes everything
Yeah...no.

>>15703084

Rustal was going to do it anyway, it is just for Iok it is personal. For Rustal it is business and he would have told Jasley he would help him rise in power in Teiwaz by getting rid of Naze even more thoroughly that Iok did. If Rustal was there no one was getting out alive.

>>15703198
You do not understand Rustal-sama.

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I'm okay with it for the sake of autistic Mcgillis.

That was great.

>>15702528
are they married?

>>15703219

Rustal is willing to negotiate with Nobliss to ensure Tekkadan is villified at all costs. He is not above negotiating with Jasley to ensure his position in Teiwaz is under Gjallarhorn's thumb in exchange for the total annihilation of the Turbines

>>15703347
Yes although I think it's just for the Bernstein name. Mini-murdermanlet calls Kudelia by her name and does not seem too familiar with her.

>>15702528
>chosing those two irrelevant broads and the retard baby to represent the show instead of anyone from Tekkadan
Offensive.
>>15703347
They're quasi married. And the whole same sex marriage was apparently rolled back a notch in the BD vol. 9 booklet where it states it's more of a "adoption of Atra and Akatsuki by Kudelia" than actual marriage. Although the person who talked about it was also Nagai, which just shows how much control he has over the end product and how seriously his words should be taken.
>>15702782
>Kengo
>confirmed
That's not how it works bro. Nothing is confirmed and a VA should be the last person you should take seriously in this case. Even Nagai talks about wanting to do more "If there's ever a chance."

>>15703047
Ogawa in one of the recent interviews (either Documents or GMG) says Gjallarhorn also slandered Tekkadan when covering up the use of outlawed weapons by saying the Mars craters made by Dainsleifs were the work of Tekkadan and McGillis. Gjallarhorn remained corrupt and deceptive to the very end.

>>15692418
S2 was the better season and it was carried by McGillis' charisma. The reveal that he was just as foolhardy as Tekkadan, his mad and passionate promise to make Almiria happy, his naive speech during his last stand that's so sincere that you can't help but want to believe in despite knowing how foolish it is and the reveal of his past which make many small scenes earlier in the show have much different meanings are all classic, unforgettable scenes.

>>15702975
Who are the two characters at the left? Also why the fossil guy is not around?

>>15703607
One of those girls is Argis sister who he thought died in the Gundam attack.

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>>15703953
Blondy is Mina, Argis sister.

>>15703588
I completely agree with you m8

>>15702975
Anyone up to date on the manga? I do not know shit at this point

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>>15704813
I'm 2 issues behind. Haven't seen any info since it started back up in May. There's a new Valkyrja frame called Ortlinde. There was a small time skip from "Season 1" to the new "Season 2".

>>15704897
Interesting, frame looks alright, spear's ok but any news on pilot?
I'm still a bit confused on what went down with the Vual fight anyway after chapter 4, all I know is that the MC won and stole parts.

How is it possible to fail at fleshing things out so bad? They had two seasons and yet the world building was trash and the conflicts in the setting were just skimmed over.

>>15705342
No clue. Even now it seems that no one is on the same page. This timeline could yield quite a bit of good content but it seems like they picked the wrong people to manage this series.
Not sure if they'll ever explore the "calamity wars" but if they did I hope they choose new people to be in charge.

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He explained why

>>15702567
This. Turn A? More like turn gay
G recuck is second worst though

>>15687176
>Damaged Gunbuster will lose to a brand new Zaku!

>>15693378
Why do you automatically assume anyone who shits on monkey is a mackyfag? Monkey sucks donkey balls that's just a fact. It's also a fact that Okada, Nagai and Ogawa sucking her dick in interviews is just pathetic.

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To be completely honest with you, Gaelio deserves to die for making Almiria a widow.

>>15702528
So is Frankenstein in love with that little kid? How much grooming did they shove into this show?

>>15709627
Why do you automatically assume anyone disagree with you are a julifag? Chocoman just went full retard with his chuuni fantasy, that's just a fact also:
>a fact that Okada, Nagai and Ogawa sucking her dick in interviews is just pathetic.
You sure have the source of said interview right?

>>15685663
because he went from final boss to rivalish thing turned fuck boi

>>15710991
t.Juliafag

How old is Mikazuki supposed to be?

>>15711007
>If I keep name calling, no one will question my "source" anymore, that'll show them.

>>15710991
>Why do you automatically assume anyone disagree with you are a julifag?
Where did I fucking to that moron? Do you see me calling anyone a monkeyfag?

>Chocoman just went full retard with his chuuni fantasy
No fucking shit? I've already explained in this thread why he went retarded and the reason for that being: having Gali come out on top.

>You sure have the source of said interview right?
Great Mechanics G, interview with OgawaP. The very same interview where Juli is likened to a noble knight Joan of Arc while Macky is called an idiot and that it "can't be helped because Gaelio is alive, maybe if Gaelio wasn't alive he could still be a cunning bastard."

>>15711072
15 in S1, 17 in S2.

If Julia was supposed to be like Joan of Arc (Which is itself hilarious), does that make Rustal Gilles De Rais?

>>15711401
And what's stopping you from posting the pages of said interview here?

>>15692418
Holy shit. Are you still so butthurt?

>>15711423
Where was this said?

>>15712611
In our headcanon

>>15711401
>"can't be helped because Gaelio is alive, maybe if Gaelio wasn't alive he could still be a cunning bastard."

This doesn't mean they nerfed his brains. McGillis was sabotaging Gjallarhorn covertly and succeeding at it. Gaelio's survival threw a wrench into his game plan by informing Rustal, who then proceeded to move against McGillis. When McGillis learned this during the Hashmal arc he knew he had no other choice but to start his coup earlier than he originally wanted with the legendary power of the Gundams.

Which turned out to be more legend than fact.

Even though he saw Bael as a deity, he has fought gundams and has seen people don't back out of a challenge versus a Gundam, it really doesnt fit with his character him believing people would bow to him because he can pilot Bael, that thing has been in there for 300 people would know you need the same System the tekkadan kids use to operate a Gundam but know the surgery is lethal on most. Im pretty sure if they expanded on the lore we'd find a few idiots who also tried to turn on the Bael with the surgery and died.

>>15712698
No they gave out the ages but only for S1 Mika, Orga, Atra and Kudelua. It's unknown how much time has passed between seasons 1 & 2 however. As for others I only know that Shino's character model sheet from the original chara designer says he's around 17 in S1.

Why didn't Kudelia get her own Mika-clone, to fufill the Turbine prophecy?

>>15718253
>for S1 Mika
What was it?

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>>15718253
i thought takaki was confirmed for 13 years old.

>>15711423
Damn

>>15718536
Oh yeah, that too. His age is displayed on that machine's screen.

>>15704897
Damn. Wished we'd get to see more of the Valkyrja frame MS, 9 total?
Still bummed that the Helmwige is a retool of the Grimgerde instead of another Valkyrja frame.
Why not just have both of them and give Grimgerde to another of McChoco's subordinates?
Would've been great to see the Bael leading the valkyries into battle.

Did they fix anything in the Blurays?

>>15719441
Helmwige was a seperate valkyrie frame during the war. Montag company just acquired the plans to it and recreated its equipment as an alternative loadout for the grimgerde's frame. Hence the name Helmwige "Reincar".

>>15719441
>Why not just have both of them and give Grimgerde to another of McChoco's subordinates?

Didn't they switch to Helmwige because it had MA hunting gear?

>>15719679
>>15719874
That's true. I'm just miffed that they introduced the Helmwige as just a retool of the Grimgerde's frame instead of a whole new MS while also keeping the Grimgerde intact.

>>15719441
Because using the Helmwige gave them some deniability, Mcgillis Specifically states that he can't use the Grimgerde due to him attacking Gjallarhorn with it.

>>15719874
They swapped to helmwige because McGillis and his subordinates couldn't be caught using Montag's MS.

>>15719666
All I remember about the BDs is some IBO animator complaining on Twitter during season one, due to a lack of motivation. Plus they'd basically have to redraw most of the series if they wanted to fix everything.

>>15712762
Nah man, wether Gaelio is alive or not shouldn't affect McGillis' capability of being a cunning bastard or going off the deep end. S2 McGillis is like a deer in the headlights, he's completely unprepared and his planning abilities are just miserable. Ogawa's statement refers directly to McGillis' mind not the fact that Gaelio being alive made things harder for him. Which it did to the point where the entire power balance is so completely off it's hard to think why the protags even bothered. Although it should be noted that Ogawa came off in this interview as really shilling Gjallarhorn/Gali and a lot of what he's said either doesn't line up with the canon, contradicts Nagai or plain makes no sense. He also said that:

-Gaelio's redoing Vidar into Kimaris was due to his "personal tastes",

-during the McGillis fight he "relinquished Type-E controls" although Nagai in the BD commentary of that scene says Gaelio only won because of Type-E.

-tried to damage control the Dainsleif being a plot weapon issue by saying that "a really good pilot can dodge it so it's not that big of a deal" which really pissed off the jp fanbase because apparently we haven't seen a good pilot in the entire damn show then.

-his self insert character is Zack, in a "screaming at Tekkadan for being idiots with a sense of superiority of someone who's in a secure social standing" manner

-Iznario SOLD his family gundam for cash which really disappointed McGillis upon only finding Grimgerde in his family garage (although that would mean Gaelio or anyone around could've traced Grimgerde back to the Fareed family and blow off McGillis' «Montag» cover, which just makes no sense)

BD commentary:
-McGillis is the strongest pilot after Mika. All gundam frames are created equally in terms of strength/ability levels

-Ein has no 'conscious self or desire to fight', Type-E identifies his targets based on Gaelio's personal reaction and too many targets may cause an interference

Show should've been told from Julieta's perspective
she did win after all

>>15723342
I'm surprised they didn't do some flashback episode on her. Make her into an important character with whatever they were writing and it's mostly mentioned in passing.
Meanwhile we have Hush get a segment about his own life prior.
>>15723336
>Iznario SOLD his family gundam for cash which really disappointed McGillis
Man I feel for him, but if it got sold off, wonder who bothered to get it, that's actually dissapointing.

>>15723342
Win what?

>>15723370
>I'm surprised they didn't do some flashback episode on her. Make her into an important character with whatever they were writing and it's mostly mentioned in passing.
Okada wrote her entire backstory with the Beard Man but it was scrapped due to time constraints.

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>mcg loli bride sho was barely a character gets a figure
At least you can pose them as cats together.

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>>15723336
>Iznario SOLD his family gundam for cash
Jesus fuck, I can hardly think of anything as retarded. The ancient family heirloom used by a heroic ancestor and which acts as a giant, visible manifestation of your power and prestige shouldn't be something that can be fucking sold. It's as if Arthur's great-great-etc.-grandkid pawned off Excalibur.

>>15723375

History

>>15723528
Becasue the show was about what actually happened not and adaptation of a Gjallarhorn propaganda history book. And in that actual history Monkey sucked donkey dick.

How hard would a Graze fuck a GM? The GM gets a Heat Hawk as a melee weapon.

>>15723702
The graze would most likely win, based on the fact that the Ahab reactors strengthen the frame and weapons of the mobile suit.

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>>15723486
That was the plot with Steel Moon and Astaroth, but was justified by the fact that financial troubles and a scandal fucked over all of their assets.
Meanwhile this guy got exiled and has this smug face while getting to still fuck kids on the side.
>>15723387
Outside of a mention, any details said about it?

>>15723757
The funniest part is that he told everyone at Gjallarhorn that McGillis was just his fuckboi and Gjallarhorn stripped McGillis of his rank and affiliation. Gjallarhorn is savage.

I just noticed that Rustal and Galan is just reverse Orga and reverse Mika.

>>15723791
>Gjallarhorn is savage.
In the most literal of the senses, as in they're a bunch of savages with their inherent disregard for basic human rights.

>>15724537
Orga ever shot WMDs at his own men in a false flag operation?

Rideaway Flash when?

Almiria's Counterattack when?

>>15685663
I remember when they first introduced Bale and Vidar gunpla and they had a massive promotion board of Vidar vs Barbatos. I hate that we never got to see them duke it out, and instead he feels bad for them and even apologises for thinking so low of them for the AS system.

I really wanted to see Mika and Gali Gali actually end a fight for once instead of the S1 'running at the end' they kept pulling off.

even the false prediction that Right after Tekkedan destroys the mobile armor, Gallahorn comes to arrest the fat man for giving weapons to the dort colonies and ensuring uprisings, leading to Mika being exhausted at the end only for Vidar to show up. That would of been pretty cool to watch.

Until you realize the fat man was always in association with Gallahorn, giving weapons to ensure Rustal had good reason to crack down on dissenting colonies and workers. (which made no sense since they formally make their buisness pack in the last episodes for him censoring the news)

>>15724587
That false flag saved ton of Gjallarhorn men.

>>15724710

It's mostly because Mika is incidental to Galli's story. The real story was never about Tekkadan, it was about Gali-Gali, the noble hero, returning to save Gjallhorn from a mad usurper who had his sister too.

I mean, obviously that's not how it ACTUALLY went, but that's how history sees it. Tekkadan are the goon squad for the bad guy, like - to use a CE term - those three druggies who kept fighting Kira and Athrun to a standstill.

>>15724800
No it didn't, it was completely gratuitous and the reasoning behind it "they used illegal weapons so we will too!" was asinine. Rustal doesn't care about the law and has a full lock on the press and judical system anyway. Why the fuck was he falseflagging in space where no one would ever be able to find any clues anyway, and even if they did, nobody could prosecute him. Especially that again, given reasoning is pants on head retarded, he repeated the same assault on Mars in a span of few weeks with no false flagging operations this time because everything had been covered up.

>>15724935
>gratuitous
Only 1 graze got hit by false flag Dainsleif.

>>15724940
No there was way more than that, like an entire division.

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>>15724591
Soon

>>15724943
On McGillis's side.

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Is IBO worth watching?
The designs are pure sex but I've heard not great things about the world-building

>>15725869
>Is IBO worth watching?
No. Why would you watch a shitty show for good mech designs? Just buy the gunpla

>>15725869
Depends, if you like robots then you won't like it but if you enjoy the characters then you would like it. And just s you know 4chan is the only place where people dislike the show, and even they don't fully dislike it.

>>15725869
It's fine. There's a lot of child soldiers, so don't expect people to not be kind of fucked up.

>>15725869
Its ok if you don't think about it.

The plot and a lot of the characters were a bit of a mess.

I didn't like it, but its just another gundam show.

>>15725869

Strangely enough, people were praising the world building while the show was on.

Here's the rub. IBO does what most other shows do, it paints a narrative that supports it's protagonists. If they make a call, even one that turns out bad in the long run, the show does it's part to make sure you're signed up as well. You will understand why they do the things they do.

Things though aren't all sunshine and rainbows for them at the end though. You follow Tekkadan's narrative as the protagonists of this show, but the world of Post-Distaster end up seeing them in a vastly different light. There's even quite a bit of hints that can be analyzed to show they were having a negative impact on the world. But we, and a few antagonists, end up understanding who they really were and even recognize some admirable traits to it's members.

But a lot of people don't see it that way, some even say the protagonists did nothing wrong. A lot of the backlash against this show is the result of the ending, but really the ending is where the real point of the series lies.

>>15725869
I like how shit tier everything is.
Like it's supposed to be a group of shit mercs or something, so you don't see beam weaponry until the endgame stuff.

>>15726200
>But a lot of people don't see it that way, some even say the protagonists did nothing wrong
>Implying it's not because Gjallahorn gets away with child sex slavery and starting wars to make a single guy a scapegoat while Tekkadan not only pays for their crimes, they even pay for other people's crimes like Rustal's Dainsleaf abuse that is framed on them

>>15725869
Pacing's utterly fucked and the plot's standard Okada levels of pants-on-head-retarded. Also the animation is really cheap.
Basically unless you end up liking the characters IBO doesn't have much going for it apart from mecha design, which you could get just from looking at the artbooks. Liking the characters can be difficult as well because they're all rather one-dimensional.

>>15726205
>beam weaponry until the endgame stuff
Beam weaponry is outdated in the Post Disaster timeline because Nano-Laminate Coating deflects it. Plus Tekkadan acquires two Gundams early on, which are technologically leagues ahead of anything other factions can field throughout the entire series. Things honestly stop being shit tier once they get backed by the Jovians.

Monster hunter mobile armor calamity war OVA when?

>>15726270
It was a member of the faction not the whole faction, only instigated one bush war, using the deinsleif had less moral implications than the AV system.

>Iznario family Gundam was sold off
Which Goetian demon was it? What were the physical characteristics?
Someone should chain Ippei Gyoubu to a table until he draws up rough drafts of all 72 Calamity War Gundams.

>>15724935
>"they used nukes! let's not use ours!"

>>15726975
But in that situation it's literally
>"We used nukes and accused someone else of using them in order to keep using nukes!"
A flagrant abuse of power.

>>15726998
USA does that every time.

>>15726975
Nukes aren't a banned weapon retard. Just nobody uses them because of the mutually assured destruction sash end of civilisation thing.. You picked a wrong equivalent. Think of any banned weapon by international convention. Use of banned weapon against ypurself is NEVER, EVER an excuse to use it against whoever used it because it's still breaking the law period. Even if your adversary gassed your entire army, you would still stand to trial for doing the same to them.

>>15726280
This. Turbines ruined the show early by giving Tekkaden everything they could have asked for.

>>15726200
I clearly remember that when Takaki said, "fuck i'm out", a lot of people here had already realized that Tekkadan was about to end terribly bad. In fact, it was a huge death flag, but no one really believed that because... it was Gundam, after all.

>>15726200
>>Strangely enough, people were praising the world building while the show was on.
In your delusions maybe,

>>15726200
>You follow Tekkadan's narrative as the protagonists of this show, but the world of Post-Distaster end up seeing them in a vastly different light. There's even quite a bit of hints that can be analyzed to show they were having a negative impact on the world
This doesn't happen because the world is already far gone in itself


>But a lot of people don't see it that way, some even say the protagonists did nothing wrong
The problem lies with the fact that nothing they did were as bad as everyone else in show so why the hell should people be contempt with the end result? Its not particularly satisfying either way since the cast doesn't grow exponentially and they're not even given a satisfying final stand.

>A lot of the backlash against this show is the result of the ending
The show got backlash all throughout its run, the ending was just the final nail in the coffin for those who managed to stick with it for 50 episodes its also where it shoots itself in its own foot with the epilogue that undoes any sort of tragedy that the ending was building itself off by "fixing" everything off screen.

>>15725910
>And just s you know 4chan is the only place where people dislike the show,
I love this meme
http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/80687
Even Nips don't like this show, it had lower ratings than AGE and BD/DVD dropped exponentially as it went on. So far only retards from Animesuki, MAL and reddit praise this show for no other reason other than it was their first one.

>>15727108
Nobody believed it because Takaki was a tertiary character so his stance didn't fucking matter also Tekkadan's whole goal was to use their merc living as a way to be able to stand by themsleves and then get out of that lifestyle. But ya know you can keep believing that horeseshit, keep believing that this franchise has been sunshine and rainbows before IBO came about.

>>15727315
Just so you know IBOfags are going to quote Newtype and Animiage next.

>>15727315
Sup felcher-kun.

>>15727330
Sup IBOfag. Still living in denial I see.

>>15727330
Sorry that doesn't work if he's saying the truth

>>15727335
Sup IBO rager, I see you're still quoting that poll from march 2016 where reco won over IBO with 41 votes in a gunpla related question, when Norba Shino destroyed Belri in that same poll with over 1100 votes with a character related question. It's really getting downright pathetic at this point. Sorry but the only one in denial that IBO didn't completely pulverize Reco in every single category when it comes to audience reception is you. And I don't even give a shit about either of these shows, but you're honestly this pathetic. Chill and have a nice day.

>>15702528

Are they really married?

>>15727352
>I see you're still quoting that poll from march 2016 where reco won over IBO with 41 votes in a gunpla related question
Its stating which Gundam series is better. How the fuck is that a Gunpla related question you stupid bitch?
>when Norba Shino destroyed Belri in that same poll with over 1100 votes with a character related question
Cool horseshit bro

> Sorry but the only one in denial that IBO didn't completely pulverize Reco in every single category when it comes to audience reception is yo
Is that why its ratings and sales are much lower in comparison while G-Reco exceeded expectations? Hmm? How are you going to get your ass out of this one IBOfag?

>>15727339
Sorry muchacho but it's anime of the year according to this big anime mag. >>15702528 Audience voted it over even fujoshit mega hit like Yuri on Ice, so what gives? Where are the critics?

>>15727352
>IBO didn't completely pulverize Reco in every single category when it comes to audience reception
>G-Reco had the highest late night anime ratings
>IBO had among the lowest ratings in the franchise
Whelp
>>15727366
>Animage
KEK I guess this anon was right>>15727322 you fags are such fucking tools. Also YOI didn't make the cut-off to be qualified for 2016 if anycase it proves how irrelevant Animage is in the grand scheme of things.

>>15727364
>Cool horseshit bro
>http://www.gundam.info/content/1904
>ノルバ・シノ 46.4%
>ベルリ・ゼナム 6.2%
Cool indeed.

>G-Reco exceeded expectations
Irrelevant when expectations are below sea level and the show fades into obscurity immediately after.
>no gunpla
>no merch
>no reruns
>no fanbase
>no fanart
>no nothing

>>15727374
>What is the male character who wants to go to the festival together?"
WOW...its fucking nothing.

>>15727374
>Irrelevant when expectations are below sea level and the show fades into obscurity immediately after.
Once again cool horseshit bro. Also for a show that faded into obscurity why is it getting a movie?

>NO U
Wow great argument

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>>15727370
>Also YOI didn't make the cut-off to be qualified for 2016
It did.
> it proves how irrelevant Animage is in the grand scheme of things
>this award doesn't matter because I say so

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>>15727386
>It did
It didn't
>this award doesn't matter because I say so
this award does matter because I say so
Works two ways bitch.

>>15727382
Damn that movie really takes forever! Keep crying pathetic recofag, your show is a failure, it means nothing it's GONE and all your arguments against IBO boil down to "I-it doesn't matter because I say so!" while IBO takes home another award. Pathetic.

>>15727388
Award is an award is an award bitch. And unlike you I don't have to pretend like doesn't exist to have an argument. Go back to your hole, pethetic-kun.

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>>15727393
>Damn that movie really takes forever!
Its only been a year and a half since its announcment which is more progress than that IBO movie is getting.

>If I keep saying G-Reco is a failure maaybe it'll be true

Pathetic

>Award is an award is an award
"Its better than nothing"

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>>15727400
>a recofag's guide to survival: dissociate from reality
You need to dissociate harder reco-kun! Maybe one day it'll stop burning.

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>>15727411
>dissociate from reality

The reality is that G-Reco sold well, had good ratings and Gunpla did good enough for them to continue the line beyond the initial set. The reality for IBO is that its sales dropped its TV ratings were dismal and its Gunpla line was a huge success which is more accredited to the designers and not the quality of the show itself

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>>15727415
>http://www.someanithing.com/6279
>76,419 Gundam G no Reconquista
>Average: 8,612 → 9,011

>http://www.someanithing.com/4330
>89,387 Kidou Senshi Gundam Tekketsu no Orphans S1
>Average: 9,132 → 9,932

>S2 average: 6,220

Nice dissociation.

>>15727382
>anime protag can't beat a tertiary character in a poll of casual variety
>gets 10x less votes
Bellri is less then nothing then.

>>15725869
IBO was dragged along by people saying no really it will get good next episode look all my fan theories will come true. Instead either nothing happens or something boring yet stupid happens. And the stupid isn't even crazy stupid, just a constant let down.

If you go in with zero expectations, look past the awful animation despite few fights, don't fall asleep from the snail pacing full of exposition and somehow get attached to the 1 dimensional characters you'll be left with a mediocre at best story. Not worth it

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>>15727458
IBO S1 sold less by the end of it's run, the bonus in disk one is the only thing to really save it overall. S2 just did fucking awful

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>>15725869
It's worth it for space Fellini and pic related

>>15727526
I also liked not!Guts

>>15727524
>sold less by the end of it's run
Nothing unusual.
>bonus in disk one is the only thing to really save it
Not really, even if you cut the vol. 1 sales in half it's still 82,387 total and over 8k average.
>6,22 k average
>fucking awful
Yeah, nah. It's above average in today's market.

>>15727458
>Random poll with less votes than every other poll
>it somehow means something because IBO is listed

Hey I can play that game too bitch

http://www.gundam.info/content/1907

>>15727539
>Nothing unusual.
A 50% drop is not usual unless it came packaged with a bonus IBOfag
>Not really, even if you cut the vol. 1 sales in half it's still 82,387 total and over 8k average.
Nope. Your math is shitty as fuck
>Yeah, nah. It's above average in today's market.
DAT LOW HANGING FRUIT

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>>15727539
>Nothing unusual.
Also shows less people were interested in it by the end. It had a good and fucked it all up, Greco had a decent start and maintained it

>Not really
You forgot about attach rate, good disk 1 sales help disk 2 etc. Even with that IBO has huge op off after disk 3.

This isn't even factoring aspects like time slot helping exposure. IBO had all the advantages and squandered them.

>It's above average
We are talking about a long running and well known franchise for a S2 which according to you was popular. Nah it did shit

Even america didn't like it, look at the ratings when they did a night of it. At least argue for the gunpla sales cause it is the only it did well.

>>15727542
I believe Manny also beat the traitor bitch in some recent poll. Shit like that is pointless anyway, Lightning regularly wins Final Fantasy polls and everyone hates her

>>15727553
>Lightning regularly wins Final Fantasy polls and everyone hates her
Does she? I think Japs dislike her now.

>>15727553
>>15727524
It should also be noted that G-Reco didn't have any bonus offers like IBO which came with a promo code for Gundam Force on the PSV an another bonus in the second volume.

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>>15727542
>2,309 votes
>last months polls: 1,753; 531; 2,281; 985; 1,745; 2,208
>less votes than every other poll
Lame lies.

>http://www.gundam.info/content/1907
>Fumitan close second
>recofags can't win anything without IBO breathing on their necks

>>15725869
As someone who speed watched it and skipped the boring parts, I enjoyed it. That being said I did fast forward alot of stuff
Take that as you will

>>15727566
>http://www.gundam.info/content/1907
>回答2,692人

Are you done making a fool out of yourself?


>Fumitan close second
>close
At least you tried

>recofags can't win anything without IBO breathing on their necks
But G-Reco won those polls even before IBO came to be

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>>15727551
>A 50% drop is not usual unless it came packaged with a bonus IBOfag
Artificially elevated volume 1 sales means the drop is also artificial retard. Stop shitting in your own mouth.

>Nope. Your math is shitty as fuck
Check yours inbread.

>DAT LOW HANGING FRUIT
That's my line, rektard. Enjoy your scraps.

>>15727557
Yep, happened a few times as well with this one pretty recent. On a related note Lightning is also now in a car advert, I guess it was meant to appeal to people with hank hill asses
http://archive.is/zAPxQ

These polls get few votes, even >>15727566 shows that, and usually what is new gets a huge boost. It is basically just advertising that a few super dedicated fans vote in

>>15727571
>brings up a single poll with more votes
>every other poll
Are you?

>>15727572
>Artificially elevated volume 1 sales means the drop is also artificial retard
That's not how it works at all dumbfuck and guess what? It kept fucking dropping after the bonuses ended while G-Reco actually went up

>Check yours inbread.
Well considering you've proven to be illiterate on top of being unable to read your own data I'll take it as a grain of salt

>myfigurecollection
Great source you got there retard. I guess its good to see that IBO had more worthless merch than AGE did.

>>15727576
>a single poll
There's more
http://www.gundam.info/content/1855
>回答2,721人

Want to embrass yourself more ya dumb bitch?

>>15727578
Again with the "it doesn't count because it doesn't match my personal criteria" faux argument? Money is miney dumbfuck. IBO makes money on merch thus it gets more merch. Guess which properties make the most merch money? The ones with dedicated fanbases, definitely not the ones nobody gives a fuck about.

>>15727579
>posts a single more poll
>less votes than EVERY other poll
Want to embrass yourself more ya dumb son of a bitch?

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>>15727583
http://www.gundam.info/content/1821
>回答2,837人

>>15727580
>IBO makes money on merch thus it gets more merch
>More than half of this merch was announced when IBO was first revealed

A Gundam for a new generation indeed

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>>15727586
>02月27日
get some rest

>>15727591
>>More than half of this merch was announced when IBO was first revealed
Not even close.

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>>15727593
>I-i-i-i-i-it doesn't count because it proves me wrong

Are you done?

In the last five months you could find three (3) polls with more votes. Great job. They make 4 of these polls a month by the way. I believe you've sufficiently BTFO yourself.

>>15727596
I'm done proving to your stupid ass that the poll Shino won was among the top populated polls in recent months. Thanks for making my point for me.

>>15727598
>Gets BTFO
>acts like a passive agressive bitch about it

Every time

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>>15727602
Dissociate harder, every-other-poll-kun.

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>>15727601
>was the top populated poll in recent months
http://www.gundam.info/content/1907
>2017年07月18日(火)
>(回答2,692人)

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>>15727566
This list is missing all the shit Shino got for himself. A lot of it is on its third run now and still among the top sellers in the apparel section at P-Bandai.

>>15727572
myfigurecollection doesn't even include most of merch that gets announced.

>>15727607
Cool horseshit bro

>>15727608
Because nobody gives anough of a fuck to update it.

>>15725869
It's not worth the watch. The only great thing I saw is one episode where Graze Ein kicked some ass though I'm still butthurt over this half assed attempt to do drama on the show.

Mecha designs are top tier and they dominate my Gundam collection.

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Greatness

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>>15727792

>>15727772
>they dominate my Gundam collection.
Thats fucking sad as shit

>>15725869
Original poster here
I binge watched it and I only liked a handful of characters, such as space Fellini, the guts rip-off, and those two chicks who piloted the rouei's.
I went in with no expectations and I honestly can't say that it was that bad. However I can understand why it did so poorly in terms of ratings

>guts rip-off
Why do people like this personality void?

>>15727800
I want the new P-bandai set where they're mice children.

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>>15727926
preorders start today afaik

>>15727877
>I honestly can't say that it was that bad
Maybe your tastes are just shit

>>15727932
Some nips are mad at bandai for cashing in on the whole "space rat" thing. They feel it's a derogatory term and should not be used to make money.

>>15727877
It felt a lot worse to watch it weekly, because the time in-between episodes really let all of IBO's plot and pacing issues sink in.

>>15727934
Nigga im not gonna defend the show but it was far from a 0/10
The mech designs were basically the only highlight in a boring and frankly forgettable show

>>15728255
You know what they say, when you're being bullied by someone or a group the best thing you can do is embrace the slur they try to throw at you and wear it proudly so it can't affect you anymore. You know, the Rebel Scum thing? Except here they made it cute so it doesn't work as an insult either. But what's more hilarious is not the rat theme but the fact that the line is called Orphan-chu, as in, "little orphan mice" because "chu" is the onomatopoeia for a cute rodent sound. If I were them I'd be more worried about that, as if there was something cute and marketable about being an orphan.

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>swiggly swooty, I'm comin for that booty

>>15726623
>using the deinsleif had less moral implications than the AV system

Which was Gjallahorn's fault in the first place, they turned a blind eye to the AV that was used used on Mars because they were too lazy to arrest the slavers/ crime syndicates on Mars.

>>15729018
I kind of want some of these