If the AGE Gundams have a fight with their UC respective counterparts,

>>15594589
Would win*, fuck, but yeah, I was rewatching AGE today and the openings made me think of what if like this.

>>15594589
I didn't ask for feels.

The AGE Gundams are really fucking strong. Remember that in UC GMs are dangerous because their beam spraygun is still a beam. Vagan MS shrug off Genoace beam guns but AGE-1's rifle flies through them.

AGE-2 shoots through asteroids.

ZZ was actually somewhat crappy and fragile, just high powered. AGE-3 on the other hand is incredibly strong and durable, and can upgrade on the fly into two busted forms.

FX is 00 tier BS.

DODs weaponry >>> Normal UC beam weaponry

>>15594663
What about the performance of their pilots? How would young Flit compare with 0079 Amuro at the peak of their Newtype powers? And the others?

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>>15594663
>FX is 00 tier BS.
its funny when you think about it. Kio could have solo'd the entire vagan army if he went all out if he wanted.

>>15594673
The thing about Flit is that he very rapidly became an extremely powerful pilot, but then reached a sort of ceiling of skill for his setting. He was as good as anybody could get, but not too far above any other ace. Amuro was some kind of fucking monster that reached that point at that same pace, then just didn't stop.

>>15594589
FX could just body slam most gundams and win, the thing flies at absurd speeds and is durable as fuck.

FX really is the crystalization of every single technological advance in the setting, its a fucking freak

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>>15594673
Flit was actually a pretty good pilot even as a kid. Especially by the end of the first arc.

Asem is pretty subpar at the start and relies hard on having a better machine but then he suddenly becomes Super Pilotoh™ and can beat x-rounders. His piloting skills improved inversly to his declining quality as a dad from there until he's flying circles around the enemies top pilots in an underpowered dark hound.

Kio a shit who started decent thanks to his grandpa's secret training and then he travels to second moon and pilots nothing for the weeks to months long trip to mars but is suddenly too good for his top of the line gundam to keep up with him.

Obright was the best all around pilot in terms of sheer skill second maybe only to Wolf. And even then I'd put him higher than Wolf and Asem as he's using basically a genoace with mildly improved trust and sensors compared to their more advanced machines and was even kicking ass in his standard genoace II.

>>15594714
Would you say that the effectiveness of pilots can overcome a drastic measurement in mech specs such as this one?

>>15594740

Amuro is the most plot armored guy in the franchise, even more than Kira Yamato. If Amuro is there he will win even if it's in a Ball because it's Amuro.

But the whole >pilot skill thing is shitty because then it's no longer really about the machines. If we go on just the machines, AGE curbstomps UC until pretty much the Unicorn era.

>>15594740
Obright using his slightly improved grunt ms beat 2 x-rounder pilots using more advanced x-rounder ms all by himself even though it costs him his life in the end. And iirc adult Flit drove back Desil with a grunt squad.

>>15594737
Losing your waifu changes you.

>>15594750
The gafran grunt from just the start of the series rapes almost everything from UC until like zeta era-ish outside of a few select units.

>Beam machine guns and sabers in hands.
>Beam scattering gun in chest.
>Beam cannon/rifle in tail.
>Can fly unassisted in atmosphere for prolonged periods without difficulty.
>Fuck strong armor that shrugs off all but highest output or concentrated beams and solid attacks are basically worthless against.
>Optional lazer nuke weapon that can sink colonies.
>Pilots can be equipped with a device that basically turns them into cyber newtype.
>Back in gen 1 if you managed to actually beat one they blow up so you can't reverse engineer or learn anything usefull from them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MdDeMuBT5s

>>15594726
How long can IBO Gundams last vs the FX?

>>15594900
half a second tops

>>15594900

I don't think you fully appreciate how busted AGE-FX is.

>>15594900
When I mentioned the thing about body slamming the enemy MS I meant the pilot and the robot itself become paste, thanks to having super beam sabers out of every orifice and having the most durable in material in the setting used in its construction the MS can just punch through almost anything

The FX is a scaled down 00 Qan[T] focused enterely on melee, he is supposed to be god tier when fighting anything one-on-one

>>15594714
>, but not too far above any other ace
What are you saying? Flit was taking on mobiles suits generations ahead in the base AGE-1.
It's not until it gets wrecked that he finally had to upgrade to the Glansa.

>>15594900
Basically what this guy said>>15595033
The AGE-FX is the 00 Quanta, but completely focused on killing, no type of peaceful system here, it's a straight up killing machine.
It's 14 bits would wrip up and Gundam from IBO to shreds.
It could probably take all of them ate once.

>>15594771

Gafran also have a waverider mode.
People don't know how OP everything in AGE was.

>>15595116
That's par for the course for aces in Age, and Gundam in general. Woolf was only considered an ace in the first place because he could take Vegan mechs in a grunt suit. And Asemu demolished the second-best MS in the whole series in a Gundam that was some 20 years out of date.

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>>15594784
>the track that plays when Kio fights pirate Asemu isn't on youtube anymore
It hurts.

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>>15594726

> the thing flies at absurd speeds and is durable as fuck

That's could describe just about any AU upgraded lead Gundam. Wing Zero, Double X, Turn-A, Freedom, Strike Freedom, 00 and 00 Qan[t] could all fit that description at the very least. The God could as well, but I'm pretty sure it's not capable of true flight though I could be wrong. It's a really generic description is the point.

>>15595116

He wasn't really. The AGE-1 was upgraded regularly by Vargas between Gens 1 and 2 so that while not the most advanced machine, it was certainly equal to a lot of contemporary machines and wasn't really ever outdated during Gen 2. Hell, it's armor is still tough enough that when a Vagan self detonates on top of it all that really happens is the arms get blown off. It's armor is still more than a match for most at the very least. It's only in Gen 3 that it's really outclassed, and Flit gets outmatched by Zeheart and Zanald pretty efficiently the first time he takes it out in Gen 3, requiring an upgrade to AGE-1 Glansa, which upgrades it all around to be at least a match for most Gen-3 suits.

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>>15597522

Now, that said, Flit was still a damn good pilot and pulled off at least a few cool tricks to help level the technological gap that did exist between him and Zeheart in Gen-2 - that gap just wasn't nearly as huge as saying he was in a generations old machine would suggest.

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>>15597536

I'd also take issue with this assessment. Not because it's not true that Asemu demolished the Legilis, but because I think it's leaving out a good chunk of context. Gundams as a whole are prototypes loaded down with gear that puts them several years ahead of the tech curve, which holds true in AGE. So while the Dark Hound was a 20 year old machine, it wasn't that old in terms of technological adaption. It was also maintained and upgraded during it's time with Bisidian, like the AGE-1 was by Vargas between generations, to help keep it at least nominally up to date. It was more suited to hit and run attacks and single targets than the AGE-2 Normal or Double Bullet, but it was still a good suit. Putting that aside though, Zeheart was barely trying in the Legilis, at least in the TV animation and almost looks like someone committing death by Gundam. Even in the movie he doesn't appear to attack so much to kill as to vent frustration. In the TV animation though his defeat is a landslide. The whole thing and more can comfortably fit in one webm.

>>15597560
Iirc the dark hound model manuals state that when madorna corp repaired it into the dark hound it lost some performance due to the extent of the repairs needed and them having to use a lot more standard parts compared to the more advanced and unique parts of the age-2 due to lacking access to them.

>>15597636

What it mostly lost as far as we can see is the same things the AGE-1 Flat lost, the AGE system and wears. Which aren't performance essential, as much as the wears can enhance performance by giving it new abilities. If the AGE-1 Flat was upgraded to keep it up to contemporary standards within the show I can't really see why the AGE-2 wouldn't be, especially since while they might not have hard parts to do so at the Madorna workshop just after Asemu was recovered and decided to join Bisidian, he's had 13 years since then to modify it while new technologies were dispersed throughout the market. The manual might nay say that, but I wouldn't be inclined to take that view without the manual personally.

>>15597522
The Double X is actually one of the weakest suits if you go by it's performance in the series, it's constantly getting bits cut off, and it's helpless to at least two of the enemies that pop up. Where it really shines is having the most powerful gun in any Gundam series in the satellite cannon, but even then it can only be used with a sightline to the moon.

It's good, I love it and all, but it's more of a weapons platform than anything, especially with the G Falcon equipped. It's like a fatter FAZZ.

>>15597522
>The God could as well, but I'm pretty sure it's not capable of true flight though I could be wrong.
Literally what. The God Gundam breaks orbit in like 5 seconds in its first appearance. It's one of the fastest Gundams around. Literally none of them have that feat, though I'm sure the 00 and Qan[T] and a few others could probably do it.

>>15594771
>zeta era-ish
Honestly I think outside Newtype powers Garfans can take out mobile suits well into the beginning of the late-UC era.

Age doesn't deserve the hate it gets, it's really pretty good. It's hardly the first Gundam to shit up the ending.

>>15598260

I defend AGE more than most but don't kid yourself. It's bad.

>>15598276
I really don't see the big problem with anything after ZALAM/EUBA and before the FX shows up. Kio was actually pretty cool in the Fortress, he killed a lot of people.

>>15598292

I am posting on the toilet from my phone, literally shitposting, so I can't type out the vast list of reasons AGE is bad. Maybe tomorrow.

But AGE is bad.

>>15594784
what was the SUPAH PILOTO song called?

>>15598324
Unmei no Saki He~ AGE-2

>>15598342
thanks fllay, you're ok

>>15598012

I wasn't doubting it's speed anon, I was doubting whether it could fly or not since I couldn't recall if it could off hand.

>>15597812
Given its armaments, the Dark Hound has noticeably less firepower than the Double Bullet and the regular AGE-2.
Also, the tech advancement from Gen 2 to Gen 3 was really about bigger frames and bigger guns than anything else, so a top of the line MS like the AGE-2 shouldn't have any issues keeping up with gen 3 MS, even with slightly reduced performance.

>>15599240

It has less firepower but firepower isn't the same as performance, and it makes up for a lack of firepower that would allow it to take on multiple individuals like the Double Bullet by having unusual and indirect armaments that help more with one on one fights, like the chest flash and grapple hooks.

>>15598300
>But AGE is bad.

I'd argue that AGE is the fun kind of stupid. It's good enough as a standard kids show, but not in the same league as most Gundam shows.

>>15602832

But kids didn't watch AGE.

>>15602889
I wonder why. Didn't they not market it towards kids or something?

>>15602898
They did, but the only people that really bothered to watch were the usual fanbase expecting a proper Gundam TV series.

>>15602898
The problem with gundam is that in Japan it kinda has a connotation of being a classic "otaku" show.
Think about it like star wars.
Kids can get into it, but not on a wide enough scale to sustain it.

Gundam needs to go full on yokai watch/pokemon to get the kiddie money

>>15602910
For that, they need the show supervised by someone that actually attends staff meetings and doesn't treat it like a video game.

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>>15602910
>Gundam needs to go full on yokai watch/pokemon to get the kiddie money
And they've tried but once again it attracted more adults than kids. Hence why the sequel TRY was more geared towards otaku than kids.

>>15602935
>Hence why the sequel TRY was more geared towards otaku than kids.
And it was fucking garbage and the otaku hated it. Why is Sunrise so bad at appealing to their audience?

>>15602943
If that's not bad enough, they apparently stopped making Battle Spirits shows. Gundam, Love Live and Code Geass are pretty much their only productions left at this point.

Well, those and a Classicaloid sequel, but still.

>>15594589
This gif used the premise of AGE way better than the actual show did. what a waste

>>15602935

wtf are you talking about TRY was full shounen manga and it alienated all the old time fans. People HATED GBF S1 before it even came out because they thought it would be mega toyetic bullshit. And then it proved it wasn't and everybody loved it. Then Try came out, and it was that mega toyetic bullshit, and everyone fucking hated it. ONLY gunota watched Try because "it's Gundam" and out of some sense of completionism.

>>15603091
>People HATED GBF S1 before it even came out
Wut? People were excited for it after the trailer hit because they saw all the attention it was giving to old suits plus after AGE people were willing to accept anything. Check the fucking archives you saw a lot of people here hyped for it because we liked the Gunpla Beginner OVA.

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>>15603091
Both seasons were shounen tournament anime, the problem with TRY was that it was lacking the "nudge nudge wink wink" appeal of the the first season and took itself mostly serious throughout with none of the levity of the first season and yes it was much more otaku centric with shit like Super Fumina and harem antics.

> People HATED GBF S1 before it even came out
That's a goddamn lie, I remember when the first reveal of it hit people were excited for it and it had more pre positive buzz than any Gundam project since Unicorn also complaining about a franchise about selling toys being toyetic is fucking stupid in itself since GBF's appeal was that it was completely honest with itself unlike so many entries in the franchise, it was also super toyetic but above all else it was fun. TRY's problem was that it just wasn't fun not that it was toyetic.

>>15603276
>>15603305

I remember a ton of posts where people were bitching they had sold out completely and gone full kiddy shit.

>>15603309
>where people were bitching they had sold out completely and gone full kiddy shit.
That was AGE's announcement

>>15603323

It was BF1 too. I distinctly remember this. People were going "AGE was bad enough but now they've gone full toy commercial!!1!!"

>>15603309
>>15603327
I was actually there during the first announcement thread and there wasn't any of that you're speaking of because most people were too busy cumming over the Gedlav shown in the trailer and the different possibilities of combinations the show would bring to old suits infact that was what was on most everyone's minds during the montsh before release

http://4chandata.org/m/COME-METEOR-HOPPERThat039s-the-bike039s-name-Meteor-Hopper-Kai-Who-else-likes-Beam-Capes-a627772

Granted this isn't to say it didn't have its detractors but compared to the AGE apocalypse it was largely positive more so than pretty much any Gundam series announcements

>>15603352
>>15603327
>>15603323
That was because part of the first wave of Gundam AGE details were crappy magazine scans and bad translations that said shit like "the age device is like a cellphone that the kids use to control the gundam"

>>15603358
>bad translations
I believe the cellphone bullshit was made up entirely by a shitposter which makes it even more hilarious in retrospect. Really AGE was dead on arrival and the show turning out the way it did wasn't doing it any favors.

>>15603352
>but compared to the AGE apocalypse it was largely positive more so than pretty much any Gundam series announcements
What were the first responses to 00, G-Reco and IBO?

>>15603369
>00
Gayshit
>G-Reco
Cautiously optimistic due to the staff
>IBO
Negative because of the director and writer with most of the anticipation being for the mecha designs

>>15603369

I don't remember what it was for IBO other than a lot of "it looks like they're trying to be edgy and gritty" over and over again, maybe comments on how it looked like a gay sausagefest.

With 00 it was mostly how everyone looked gay as fuck because the character designer was some gay porn fujo.

With G-Reco people were saying how 10/10 the character designs were and shopping Bellri into a slutty chick.

>>15603369
IBO were largely people anticipating more Ippei designs and shitting on the director, people were actually cautiously optimistic about Okada despite her previous works mainly because M3 turned out to be pretty okay.

G-Reco was mostly optimistic because we've known about it for years so it was a relief that we finally saw something of it which looked good.

00 is was people screaming gay everywhere

>>15599240

Dark Hound was completely respeced into a high mobilty low firepower hit and run suit specialized for pirating, over the all purpose AGE-2.

This is part of why Captain Ash is untouchable (the thing never takes any damage at all inseries, and only minor in MoE) since he's so fast, but he also has to basically work for every kill, and can't just shoot through asteroids with his powerful beam weapons anymore.

>>15603369
I remember when the g-tekketsu website dropped and because of the silhouette and shoulder pauldrons some people thought we were getting Gundam space knights.

The hype was so real,If only we had known.

G-reco was also really hyped up because of the staff and it had been announced way back in like 2010 or something like that.

I wasn't here for 00, but people thought it was gonna be yaoi because Tieria was a trap.

>>15605771
>I wasn't here for 00, but people thought it was gonna be yaoi because Tieria was a trap.

The character designer for 00 is literally some yaoi manga fujo.