>it's a "mass production unit is far superior to

I swear we had this thread last weekwith a smug zaku as the OP

>>15591423
>ADF
>production

Tech demonstrator concept plane at best.

That said they never did mount burst missiles onto the Falken, and the ADFX-02 was pretty bullshit what with that ECM module that literally deflects anything not shot directly at the intake vents.

The TLS is far superior on the Falken though, and that's really all that matters here.

>>15591423
Was either one of those even mass produced?
Aren't both super secret super prototypes?

>>15591442
The TLS on the Falken is so badass
>that opening up mechanism

>>15591444
Well you could buy four Falkens in 5.

Not shabby for a plane appropriated for use in a combat AI program by butthurt Usean rebels really.

Honestly though the story surrounding the Falken is so muddied by the current canon that I can't be arsed to care about its production status. I'd sooner talk about the Nosferatu in the AHverse and how the Soviets LITERALLY HAD WORKING MINIATURE RAIL GUNS AND DIDN'T TELL ANYONE BECAUSE OF HOW SUPER SECRET THEIR PLANE WAS.

>>15591442
Doing NG+ runs on Zero with no patience (i.e. let's just use the most OP planes and get this over with) goes like: Morgan for air-to-ground missions and the Hresvelgr mission (a huge chunk of enemy coverage instantly nuked and all that), Falken for air-to-air duels (more powerful laser with better range, can swat an entire squadron off the air if you have decent enough aiming).
Also, doing the final mission of AC5 with the Falken is fucking priceless.
>oh noes, both rival squadrons are coming in to gangrape y--- oh, they're gone
>oh noes, we only have 5 minutes to stop the SOLG, aim carefully at the weak poin--- oh, it just got shredded in seconds

>>15591468
Yeah but don't you get FAEBs on the Falk?

You know FAEB is canonically the best antiair weapon in any game it's in. Even when nerfed it's the best.

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What do you guys think AC7's superplane gimmick will be?
I'm hoping for something that's related to the actual performance of the craft itself rather than some SP weapon. Something like the YF-21's superthrust mode where it goes 2fast2furious would be cool.

>>15591500
Missiles that spawn clouds.

A weaponized cloud seeder, essentially.

>>15591507
Kono did say that clouds will play a big part in the gameplay of 7.

>>15591511
That's the joke.

I believe the countermeasure system is returning from AH too, it'd be funny if you could generate a smokescreen of some sort as a countermeasure option.

>>15591524
UE4 has pretty sweet lighting, there better be some cool night missions so I can drool over flares and tracer effects lighting up the sky.

>>15591500
Unlock Arkbird because Osea and space and you weren't expecting something that fat.

>>15591531
I will say one thing, AC6 had goddamn gorgeous contrails.

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>>15591538
Crazy how a game that's ten years old still looks so good.

>>15591544
I just want to know why Infinity doesn't look that good.

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>>15591553
Because its running on a downgraded version of the Ass Horizon engine, probably.

Good lord, the texture work in Infinity was horrifying, I can't wait for proper plane porn now that Kono has an actual budget to work on.

>>15591468
I remember taking down the last squadron on AC5 with a single QAAM salvo because it managed to lock every single missile on them

>>15591544
I never really cared for the heavy reliance on orange fireballs and green overcast.

Then again the real crime 6 commits is in being so forgettable.

>>15591553
Because between the engine being originally built for close combat plane gore and Infinity's struggling netcode, shit just starts to tear at the seams.

Did I also mention the engine isn't even optimized for the PS3 in any way comparable to how 6 was optimized for the 360? Multiplats, gotta love em.

Shame, really, with some better hardware utilization Infinity could've ran better. Have you seen AH on PC? It runs like greased lightning thanks to the slavs and their potato port magic.

>>15591580
>Shame, really, with some better hardware utilization Infinity could've ran better.
I really don't know what to think of Infinity.
On one hand, its so blatantly a cheap cashgrab its almost insulting, particularly that godawful fuel system. On the other though, there's serious effort put into it, what with having the largest plane roster in the franchise, the AC3 planes utilizing the AC3 HUD and sound effects, COFFIN planes utilizing COFFIN cockpit views, that campaign that's actually not that bad.

>>15591568
>proper budget

>all the planes look like they're from an unreleased Bioshock because Namco is too lazy to do something about getting UE4 to not have the Unreal engine look
The textures Infinity recycled were fine. The resolution they were rendered at, that's an entirely different issue.

But I pin that on the fact Infinity was an exercise in trying to make a game out of a codebase not intended for the kind of game they wanted to make.

>>15591588
Recycling assets is not what I'd call effort.

About the only thing I legit would give props to it for is its version of the Ulysses arc, which I feel absolutely shits all over the Strangereal canon in terms of overall coherence.

>>15591588
Yeah, Omega deserves to be in a better game than Infinity.

>>15591500
It's pretty simple honestly. Space elevators are part of the main visual meaning AC7s gimmick plane will be one that can operate in both terrestrial gravity and in space.

The final mission will literally be an operation about breaking the sky with you dog fighting all the way from space through the atmosphere and back into the clouds.

>>15591612
Arkbird confirmed

>>15591612
That's stupid.

It's going to be a gun THAT CAN KILL THE PAST.

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>>15591612
>final mission starts off with a fuckoff huge rocket engine strapped to your spaceproofed airplane like in Air Force Delta Strike 2
I can dig it.

How's Assault Horizon Legacy+ as a babby's first Ace Combat? I know that despite the title, it's a remake of AC2, which to my understanding is a fan favorite.

>>15591621
>end of Metal Black stage 1
Born to be free, man.

>>15591623
It sorta runs like ass.

It's an ok game though. Not as jank as the original AC2.

I'd actually just recommend playing them in production order so you can appreciate the context behind each game.

Yes that means sitting through Air Combat on PS1.

Yes that also means finding an Air Combat 22 arcade cabinet. It's totally part of the franchise.

Well, actually this does raise the question, is Mach Storm considered a spinoff?

>>15591623
It's fine if you don't got a way to play PS2 games.

>>15591638
Air Combat's fine, just not the most important entry in the franchise.
>BINGO!

>>15591644
Air is sorta super jank though.

But seriously 22 needs more love.

>>15591655
>Air is sorta super jank
Take it back you double shark bastard.

>>15591660
FUCK YOU YOU ARROGANT AMERICANSKI.

I SWEAR ON MY DEAD WIFE I'LL BLOW UP THE CAPITAL.

>>15591666
<<DAMN>>

>>15591671
<<HAND ROLLED>>

I really love the definition made by some anon once, that "Ace Combat is actually a very well disguised mecha anime", or something along those lines. It explain a lot, really.

>>15591679
It's ostensibly Area 88 the Videogame, really.

At least, when you play Zero you start to imagine someone must've had Area 88 on the mind.

>>15591692
The Morgan is also a homage to the YF-19.

>>15591692
There's even a Shin Kazama paintjob for the F-20.

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>>15591697
>>15591724
Don't forget the literal Macross and Area 88 crossovers in AH and Infinity.

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>>15591423
>it's a "mass production unit is far superior to the prototype" episode

>>15591733
But the Prototypes got upgrades at the same time, so they kinda took some of the wind out of the Dragoon's sails.
Still way better than GMs.

>>15591737
The D Custom models were really more like ace units at that point, and it only happened after the Dragoons hit the field.

It's undeniable that Dragoons were a solid third of the reason the war was won though. The Dragonars taking out the Starks and some other notable aces was part of it, but the Dragoons were big too. And then the last bit was Meio's turning traitor getting added to the eventual move that literally just ended the war in the guy in charge of the other side being revealed as a genocidal asshole.

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Isn't the Overflag actually superior to the Graham's Flag custom?

>>15591792
In what way? I think Graham's was the only one that had the limited unlocked.

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I mean, it did fix the bad brain control interface for traditional controls.

>>15591859
Didn't the VF-22 just use a simplified BDI paired with traditional controls?

>>15591792
Flags are so cool.

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>>15591861
YF-21 had both, you can see Guld reach for the manual controls when he loses brainwave connectivity. IIRC the VF-22 series is without the brainwave control interface but I'd have to look it up to confirm.

Are there mods for Assault Horizon to actually make it enjoyable?

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>>15591896
No

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>>15591612
Extremely high altitude fights would be dope

>>15591904
There was one mission like that in AC3. I remember it's not really that fun. But with enhanced visual, maybe it can be better.

>>15591861

Actually the VF22 has also improved propulsion etc. The VF19 is less reworked compared to the YF19 but has a lot of improvements as well. Generally speaking Macross is one of the few mecha anime in which prototypes are always inferior to the mass produced versions.

>>15591423
>it's an OP doesn't know what a "prototype" is thread

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>>15592051
A prototype is the test version of a design that will typically go through many revisions after design flaws are found out through tests.
Usually in anime/videogames, prototypes are far more powerful than the mass produced design that results from the design revisions.

>>15591538
This

>>15591865
Flags are the worst thing about 00

>>15592051
Aren't there any anime out there where the MC pilots a powerful yet severely flawed prototype machine and has to learn how to deal with the flaws as the rival pilots the perfected model of that machine with all the prior design flaws?

I was thinking about a mecha which can output way more power than its contemporaries and accelerate at ridiculous rates because of its experimental engine, but suffers constant overheating problems if overused, which the MC would circumvent by flying in the clouds in order to cool off his suit when most suit engines would cause the suit to stall under such conditions, earning the MC a nickname called 'Cloud Shark'. Later on the suit receives an upgrade in the form of a Cooler Backpack Unit which somewhat helps alleviate the overheating issues at the cost of reducing top speed and acceleration because of the additional weight of the unit. After the Cooler Unit upgrade, the suit would be called the Cooler Mobile Suit.

>>15592066
thats waaaay too specific
the only show that i can think of now that has any semblance of realism in the prototype department i think it would be argenvollen

>>15592066
>
I was thinking about a mecha which can output way more power than its contemporaries and accelerate at ridiculous rates because of its experimental engine, but suffers constant overheating problems if overused

That reminds me of the Tallgeese from Gundam Wing, which went super fast but that G-forces would kill the pilot

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>>15591580
>Then again the real crime 6 commits is in being so forgettable.
How can you forget Strigon squadron, the fucking Agaion, and the Liberation of Estovakia?

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>>15592075
*Gracemeria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhdNjzX4waA

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Anyone else really like how aquatic animals inspired the AC3 planes?

>>15592099
That's a really cool looking design. I hope Ace Combat 7 has a great multiplayer feature.

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>>15591899
whore

>>15592117
I'm not sure what those two have to do with each other but I agree wholeheartedly

>>15591899
>Showing the insides of her bays.
Slut.

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>>15591500
Suicide mode would be cool.

>>15591754
>Meio's turning traitor getting added to the eventual move that literally just ended the war in the guy in charge of the other side being revealed as a genocidal asshole.

man I love Dragonar due to how ridiculous the big bad was

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>>15592126
says the biggest slut of them all

how many contracts does F-35 have again?
literally NATO's town bicycle

>>15593682
>>15592126
F-35 a cute.
CUTE!

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>>15591423

>>15592569
This

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>>15593748

>>15593755
>LIMITARE POINT

Can we all agree that the Lucifer and Durandal were way too overdesigned.

>>15592008
I'd say its less prototypes being inferior but rather just being flawed.
The YF-19 had solid performance, just required a really good pilot to bring out said performance without dying.
The various VF-19 variants had solid performance as well, they just made it easier for people that ain't Isamu to fly em.
The YF-21 was good as well, just the BDI system being somewhat unreliable, this waa fixed by giving it a normal cockpit.
The YF-24 is the only VF that I'd say is inferior. Its a deathtrap that had 2 out of its 3 prototypes crashing, the YF-25 was probably mostly fine, VF-27 had 2 more engines than its prototype because General Galaxy got their hands on YF-29 information.
The YF-29 was a monster of a machine that outperformed its expectations even when built out of VF-25 parts. Its most probably costly as fuck and require some degree of skill to be used.

>>15593682
>single engine
>has a bulge
F35 a confirmed trap

>>15595581
don't shove your disgusting fetish into my disgusting fetish, it's gonna go rancid.

>>15595586
My thrust is vectoring on its own.
Fill my internal bay with your gravity bombs!

>>15591946

>It's a 'high-altitude chase with Neucom transporters episode'

Damn, I hated it when you had to pursue those R-511s as UPEO.

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>>15591423
>it's a prototype got mass produced episode

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>>15592075
Liberation of Gracemeria is doubly forgetful. After all the other ground pounding, CAS-heavy missions before it, there was just no distinguishing it from a normal mission. Doesn't help that they diluted the soundtrack from how it was in the trailers and the demo so you could barely hear it. Not to mention the ugly green overcast really ruins the mood of "liberation". Should have looked like heaven opening up.

The aerial fleet would have been more memorable had it established more of a presence. As it is, it served only as a temporary roadblock midway through the campaign before you took it down. Stonehenge was far more prevalent, and it was a fixed target - but with continental range.

The Strigon Team would have been more memorable if Ilya Pasternak were more of a presence, as well. He appears in only one mission, yet we're meant to harbor this feeling of rivalry towards him.

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>>15593755

>>15595573
small correction , it was the BCS
BDI was just the imaging part, BCS was the input and , partially procesing core

>>15592066
Full Metal Panic.

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>>15592066

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>>15596512
The Phantom isn't really a prototype though.

>>15591861
Yes for the commander model.
http://monkeybacon.mywebcommunity.org/MCRtechnology/01oVariableFighter.php
>Right: VF-22 Sturmvogel II
Only the S type is confirmed. The BDI System is assumed to be for auxiliary use, and the main control mechanisms were the same as a normal VF.

Macross Galaxy on the other hand...
>http://monkeybacon.mywebcommunity.org/MCRmechanic/Other10bVanquishRaceRelatedValkyrie.php
>VF-22HG Schwalbe Zwei
An aircraft by the General Galaxy Co. that's an improvement on the VF-22. It returns to the concept of the prototype YF-21: "the fusion of the human body and the machine", and while it also has the Limiter Release Mode, where the legs are purged, the VF-22HG was considered to be difficult to control without the assistance of Implants. Anjers 672 boarded it and battled Chelsea. Only a few VF-22HG were produced, and Anjer's aircraft was the No.4 aircraft, as Fasces had captured the Galaxy's special forces ship itself.

>>15595573
>The YF-24 is the only VF that I'd say is inferior. Its a deathtrap that had 2 out of its 3 prototypes crashing,

Actually the YF-24 Evolution is a beast in performance comparable to the YF-29. You are forgetting Earth sends Monkey Model plans to fleets and colonies keeping the best for itself. In fact Earth's VF-19A is comparable in performance to the VF-25.
>http://www.macross2.net/m3/macrossf/yf-24.htm
>The original YF-24 was cancelled during development and Shinsei Industry decided to pursue original development of a variable fighter with a focus upon the Inertia Store Converter (ISC) technology.
>The YF-24 Evolution equipped with the ISC performed remarkably. Three YF-24 Evolution fighters participated in simulated air combat tests in which they defeated 12 VF-19 Excaliburs and VF-22 Sturmvogels and 6 air-to-air specification QF-4000 Ghost fighters. The space mobile fleet then devised a simulated attack designating a large-sized space carrier as the primary target; a single YF-24 Evolution fighter de-folded into the combat zone and achieved a direct hit to the bridge of the space carrier with a simulated reaction warhead. The impressive results of the tests lead to approval for deployment and adoption of the YF-24 Evolution. Major Isamu Dyson of the Reserve service acted as the test pilot leader for the demonstration carried out at the New Edwards Cemetery and National Space Test Center.

Thus Earth's NUNS have the VF-24.

So the elevator:
-Dropped by Somebody
-Destroyed while dueling with the rival

>>15591455
>that opening up mechanism
It literally made it inferior to the Morgan in vs because the Morgan didn't have start up for the laser

>>15597804

In the vague sense that Gen 3 Fighters were the "prototypes" to Gen 4 Fighters, sure it was

But mass productions are supposed to be better than the prototype. It's why they're called prototypes.

>>15598868

No, you're not thinking about prototypes from the average mecha designer's mindset (WWII Imperial Japan)

The prototype is the design that has all the stocks pulled out, is made with the best materials, and has elite test pilots flying it.

The production model is the scaled down version because of the need to mass produce despite the lack of good steel and trained pilots.

>>15598677

This doesn't really prove much. Just that Isamu Dyson, arguably the best NUNS-era pilot, wrecked a bunch of lower-grade tech in a prototype.

Until there's some kinda comparative test between fighters, it's hard to argue.

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>It's a Konami did:
>space elevators
>planes in space
>dogfighting on mars
>planes vs mechs
>ayy lmaos
>multiple playable characters
>props
>century series planes
>semi-functional VTOL planes
>chinkplanes
>old school shmup ships
>in 2004, episode
Call it a knockoff or whatever, but this game did a lot of things AC has either never done or is only just now starting to do two full console generations later.

>>15598868
>That's why they're called prototypes
No, they're called prototypes because they were made first. The prototype BMW-003A made literally twice the thrust of production turbines.

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>>15593740
WAITO PIGGU

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>>15593740
GO HOME

>>15598915
>The prototype BMW-003A made literally twice the thrust of production turbines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_003#Specifications_.28BMW_003A-2.29

>BMW 003A-1
>Prototype, 5.87 kN (1,320 lbf)

>BMW 003A-2
>Initial production variant, 7.83 kN (1,760 lbf)

>BMW 003D
>Improved design C, 10.76 kN (2,420 lbf)

No it didn't. The prototype is the weakest one, later production models almost doubled the outpit.

>>15591455
dat cockpit tho

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>>15591455

>>15598911
Don't forget the great character designs.

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>>15599257
There's nothing wrong with Mobius-1, Blaze, Cipher and Talisman's character designs.

>>15599571
Been a while, but is that from Dai Guard?

>>15595302

yes

>>15599651
Gunbuster

>>15598677
>19A is comparable to the VF-25
If you can bring out the performance with your skills, sure. The 19A was pretty much a copy of the YF-19 and the prototype was noted to be hard to pilot.

In comparision the VF-25 could be literally piloted by a student who had less than a year of training and still at least perform decently.
We don't really have any confirmation what Earth uses as their grunt VF anyway, the Macross 7 fleet was stated to be using a VF based off the VF-19 for their grunt after the events of 7 and I think that would be more interesting.

>>15599741
It would be neat to see what Earth is like in the next Macross.

>>15599571
I know it's a dig at Gundam, but the GM really isn't a massproduced Gundam. It's an offshoot project, like most "MP" Gundams are, including stuff like the MP Zeta Gundam or MP ZZ. They're just called that because they're offshoot projects but with the expressly designed to be cheap enough for mass production and the profiles make that more clear than the name would suggest.

As far as actual prototypes, mostly from MSV, go the prototypes are almost always inferior to the proceeding model for some reason or another, including the Gundam's own prototype.

>>15599741
The VF-19 that Macross 7, Macross Frontier Macross Galaxy and Zola has are all Monkey Models. Earth got spooked the defense grid can't stop AVF that is why as per VF-X2 they kept that classified. They don't want anybody doing the same thing.
>http://monkeybacon.mywebcommunity.org/MCRmechanic/TFsms03aVF19efVF25a.php
>VF-19EF/A "Isamu Spacial"
>Operation Record
>The VF-19EF/A, nicknamed "Isamu Dyson Special", is the personal aircraft of Isamu Dyson, who belongs to S.M.S.. Isamu has a splendid career, where he served as the YF-19's test pilot in the Super Nova Project that was executed in 2040. In 2059, he had left the New Unified Forces and enlisted in S.M.S. (it's said that he disliked the additional desk work due to promotion in the Unified Forces, and pursued the way of life as a pilot).

>>15600815
cont'
>Even though Isamu desired the VF-19A as the aircraft he boards when he transferred to S.M.S., as only a small quantity of the VF-19EF detuned edition were deployed within S.M.S. due to restrictions placed on the VF-19 series that was deployed at that time, it was close to impossible to deploy the VF-19A.
Isamu, who was dissatisfied with that, aimed at contacting his old friend, Dr. Jan Neumann, who had become Shinsei Industry's VF development adviser. Even though Isamu seems to have initially requested that he sell the parts of a VF-19A through illegal channels, Dr. Jan didn't comply, and presented the "VF-19ADVANCE" Project to the Shinsei Industry company as an alternative plan, where he aimed at "the development of a prototype to improve and prolong the life of the VF-19, as close to 20 years have passed since its development". A sentence that reads, "the completed aircraft will be "consigned" to S.M.S.'s Isamu Dyson, and he'll carry out the testing", is nonchalantly included in the project document

>>15600816
Con't
>Aircraft Explanation
>Even though the Shinsei Industry Co. promoted the development of the ISC inertia control mechanism equipped next generation YF-24, the "VF-19ADVANCE" Project was tacitly consented to as a private plan of Dr. Jan. For that reason, even though there wasn't an abundance of development costs, Isamu is considered to have compensated for it by investing the majority of his salary that he earned at S.M.S. into it.
>The outline of the plan is a remodelling of a VF-19EF into a YF-19, in addition to aiming at even higher performance. Also, due to Isamu's strong wishes, the Integrated Air Combat Program that's installed in this aircraft is the implementation of the original edition of the "ARIEL" Integrated Air Combat Program, which was installed in the YF-19 (the No.3 aircraft).
The combat thrust of the VF-19EF/A's engine thrust is improved close to 10% due to exchanging some of the engine parts and improving the control program, and its responsiveness is also considered to have become better (even though the loaded avionics are also exchanged for the latest version in the VF-19 series, the details haven't been made public).
>The standard paint of New Edwards Base has been applied to the completed VF-19EF/A "Isamu Special", and its exterior is almost the same as the former YF-19.

>Caption: The appearance itself is almost identical to the YF-19, and the forward swept wings, which are the feature of the prototype aircraft, are also as is. In comparative testing carried out later in private, there is a big difference in the maximum thrust of the engines, and it's said that it demonstrated air combat manoeuvrability that surpassed the ISC equipped VF-25, to the surprise of the parties concerned.

In short YF-19 = VF-19EF/A = VF19A > VF-25 combat maneuverability.

>>15598881
Did you even read it? Three YF-24 Evolution were against 12 VF-19 and VF-22 also four Ghosts and still hit the target mothership.
>The impressive results of the tests lead to approval for deployment and adoption of the YF-24 Evolution.

This means the VF-24 is Earth's next mainline fighter.

>>15600825
>In short YF-19 = VF-19EF/A = VF19A > VF-25 combat maneuverability.
I thought the VF-25, YF-19, and VF-19EF/A were superior to the VF-19A monkey model, and super pack VF-25 should still beat Isamu's VF-19EF/A in space, doesn't it? That's why Frontier movie 2 showed Isamu's VF-19EF/A having VF-25 modular thrusters strapped to the wings, so it could keep up.

There's some other tidbits where Isamu was flying the YF-24 in mock combat, his team of three YF-24 units was able to overcome a superior number of enemies made up of VF-19, VF-22, and Ghosts.

http://www.macross2.net/m3/macrossf/yf-24.htm
>The YF-24 Evolution equipped with the ISC performed remarkably. Three YF-24 Evolution fighters participated in simulated air combat tests in which they defeated 12 VF-19 Excaliburs and VF-22 Sturmvogels and 6 air-to-air specification QF-4000 Ghost fighters. The space mobile fleet then devised a simulated attack designating a large-sized space carrier as the primary target; a single YF-24 Evolution fighter de-folded into the combat zone and achieved a direct hit to the bridge of the space carrier with a simulated reaction warhead. The impressive results of the tests lead to approval for deployment and adoption of the YF-24 Evolution. Major Isamu Dyson of the Reserve service acted as the test pilot leader for the demonstration carried out at the New Edwards Cemetery and National Space Test Center.

I believe some other info from long dead sources mentioned that those YF-24 units were dogfighting the entire time with fold boosters still strapped to them, weighing them down.

>>15600841
The VF-19A isn't the monkey model. It's the model that was kept back at Earth and closely based on the YF-19. The only time that the VF-19A has ever officially appeared (as far as I'm aware) was in the VFX-2 game.

>>15600839
>mass producing a VF whose prototype's development stopped after 2 out of its 3 planes crashed and burned
And that particular mock battle isn't really a fair accessment of the YF-24 anyway, Isamu was flying the thing, the only way to make it any more unfair is to let Max fly it.

The ADVANCE may perform on par if not better than the VF-25, but the issue of it requiring a really good pilot is still there. The presence of the ISC helps to reduce the pilot requirements of the VF-25 for a more easily piloted machine so they can actually fly the damn thing without dying, and given a pilot like Isamu, the VF-25 would perform way better thanks to the pilot skill.

Remember, in the end, VFs are grunt machines. Some of them are ace material, but the need for them to not require one-of-a-kind insanely good pilots is definitely there.

>>15600841
The VF-19 Monkey Model specs sent to fleets was the VF-19E. Hence Frontier's VF-19 variant is called VF-19EF Caliburn.

>>15600931
There is a difference between the YF-24 and YF-24 Evolution. The former was a oint development work between General Galaxy and Shinsei Industry. The later Shinsei Industry used it as the test bed for the magnetic transformation system and the miniaturized ISC made possible by Fold Quartz.

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>>15599019
>>15599025

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Real prototype from the Patlabor 3rd movie

There was another prototype in the series, the Economy model.

>>15599786
That's retconning, it's still the same cliché used wrong
At best we could claim the gundam -3 was a production model for something that ended up too costly (core ejection and all)
Same was for every Zeon MS and MA, a few were elite unit but other were meant for MP.

REAL prototype mean test-bed prototype, like a model with no weapon or no jetpack, discarded if its cheaper to rebuild the next one and so on.

Even Gunbuster is using it wrong. The Gunbuster wouldn't be the prototype of a very different Sizzler,
At best its a proof of concept

>>15601622
Anime in general seems to frequently confuse prototypes and tech demonstrators.

>>15599019
>>15599025
>posting a sabotaged Walken's Raptor which had its weapon and other systems weakened/disabled by the CIA as proof of anything

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>>15592066
>MC pilots a powerful yet severely flawed prototype machine and has to learn how to deal with the flaws

Kyosuke and the Alt?

>>15601722
Yeah, I guess it's because prototype imply "untested" giving it more suspense, despite everybody knowing it's just a new & better mecha.

>>15601838
The Ait is severely flawwed it's just a brick.
He then makes it more of a brick.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReHVAlEU3UQ
Speaking of Ace Combat, how about that new trailer eh?

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>>15601939

I still can't believe we get to fly my fucking dream fighter.

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>>15601939

>Declare war on a nation
>Complain when they attack you

BOMB 'EM AGAIN, HARRIS

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>>15602042
>not BOMB 'EM AGAIN, MOBIUS

>>15601939
>That music
>the banter
Ace Combat is back isnt it ?

>>15601939
I hope we play as that grizzled old dude and our job is it to show all those youngsters that skill beats crazy AI planes

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>>15602054
>most of the original people from the holy trinity days are back
>gameplay is supposedly heavily reminiscent of 5, but with more advanced flight physics
>dat orchestral score
Hell yes, it is.

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>>15602039
>dream fighter
>the widow maker
>one of the worst fighter ever built before the F35
>half of them crashed on take-off
>Lockheed bribed country into buying them

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>>15602071

Oh boy, it's this guy again

>>15602071
While Lockheed isn't entirely blameless here, its not the planes fault that the Yuros took a high speed interceptor and then decided to use it for everything else. Behead those who insult Kelly Johnson.

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>>15602071
>>one of the worst fighter ever built before the F35
I thought this meme died in 2015? Or have you not been on /k/ since?

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>>15602039
I remember flying it over 10 years ago.

>>15602095
Did that game have VR rendered at a smooth 60fps with HD cockpits?

>>15602106

>PS4 Pro
>smooth fps

Nier would like a word with you

>>15602063
>using holy trinity unironically
>implying making everything fly like the airplane equivalent of an AE86 delivering tofu passes for advanced physics and not just entertaining Japanese jank
>implying Rio Hamamoto doesn't deserve to do more buttrock for AC, or that there shouldn't be a more electronic-infused sound like 6's Malebolge to tie in with 7 being on the 6/X/3 futurewar end of the chronology.

FUCK KONO
WHEN'S HARADA'S ESU KONBATTO

>>15602133
Ace Combat has always been entertaining Japanese jank over muh autism simulator.
This is the same franchise where you have 50 sidewinders available on your two wingtip pylons. Also there's obviously going to be a mix of genres, or did you miss the accoustic folk/country sounding track from the first trailer?

>>15602141
I meant in regards to 5 with the physics.

I admittedly didn't make my logic fully apparent: 5 and Zero are kinda uniquely stiff compared to their neighboring games. I don't really think high alpha maneuvering was much a thing in those two, you just cornered fiercely in nearly anything, even the slavshit didn't have as much alpha as you'd expect.

04, X/JA provided you tune your planes appropriately, every game with the high g mechanic especially Assault Horizon where you could do shit in a Nosferatu that'd make Sky Crawlers look like two ships passing in the moonlight? Float physics. I love drifting as much as the next guy but advanced physics doesn't sound like much when the franchise has settled on high alpha shenanigans as the default.

I'm still probably explaining myself poorly, so imagine I claim advanced physics as being used as a buzzword in the context of describing 7's physics.

Incidentally this made me realize I want a multiplayer mode that's just the Red Bull air race but with AC6/AH turbofloat flight handling.

The free flight / training stage in Infinity is the closest you can get to that.

>>15602174
Yeahg, I'm not expecting anything fancy or realistic, but some kind of flight mechanic that switches up the gameplay, like crosswinds in stormy scenarios. Kono said that the clouds and weather are going to play a big feature in the gameplay, and I'm willing to bet its gonna be something like what I described. Whatever it is, its going to be heavily simplified or stylized for sure.

>>15602194
In my ideal world?
>dynamic weather system in conjunction with a mission planning system that lets you pick time and place for beginning a mission
>game encourages you to master the environment and ambush the enemy like you're the god damn expert on Sun Tzu's Art of War

>during hurricane season there's legitimately the danger of hurricanes being in the AO

>at least one locale should shamelessly be a San Fransisco stand-in complete with the region's frequent bouts of fog, WHICH YOU USE AS COVER TO VECTOR IN ON THE ENEMY

I'm only prepping myself for disappointment by having these thoughts, though.

>>15602078
Overpriced shit plane is still overpriced shit plane, /k/ just stopped to talk because even Trump couldn't get a good deal.

>>15602076
Yuros are the one who had the less accidents, I'm not blaming the machine I'm just saying it's a shitty overspecialized plane, won't even blame Jelly Johnson, some corrupt guys probably handed engi ridiculous demand and engi did a miracle.

>>15602112
Your shitpost might make sense if there wasn't already gameplay of VR mode AC7 showing off the framerate.

>>15598911
too bad it was shit though

>>15601939
Do we know which side the player is on? It sorta sounds like we're flying for Erusea but I'm sure we're going to be Osea again

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>>15603146
BRANCHING STORY CAMPAIGN
>does the color of the sky mean anything to you?
>OMDF and three stripes planes seen
>Wich side will you choose?

>>15603178

Have we started taking bets on if this Princess or the Prison Chick are the Edge of AC7?

My money's on Princess

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>>15602318
>Overpriced shit plane is still overpriced shit plane

>>15603191
>implying it could possibly be anyone other than Hispanic Naggers.

CAN'T SPELL NAGASE WITHOUT NAG.

>>15602133
>6/X/3 futurewar end of the chronology
I thought 6 was before 5 chronologically?

Not that they had much to do with each other.

Someone post me a timeline or something

>>15604321
Herp derp I was wrong as usual, not sure why I thought it was earlier. Carry on.

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>>15604277
>hilarious lies and propaganda from Lockheed
Yeah right, call us when they stop rigging test or make up fictional scenario where it have dozens drones do his own job just to mask how useless it is.

And so cheap indeed! only $1.5 trillion top for a plane shittier than the french Rafale (program cost$62.7 billion), they could sell of F-35 for free they'd still scam every buyers

>>15604398
>$1.5 trillion top for a plane shittier than the french Rafale (program cost$62.7 billion), they could sell of F-35 for free they'd still scam every buyers
are you retarded?
like genuinely, unironically, a fucking sped?

>>15605113
>got told, insult other
You are the autistic one here, bet you voted Trump too.
http://www.jsf.mil/news/docs/20160324_Fact-Sheet.pdf

>>15604398
At least you don't seem to be a Spreyfag.

>>15605822
You're a fucking retard for insinuating that the Rafale is anywhere near as capable as the F-35 (it isn't).

>>15604398
Manh that infograph is all sorts of incorrect. Just looking at the gun and IR missile aspect alone. What is the GAU-22/A? What is the AIM-9X?

>>15601838
That is a piece of shit that couldn't even move via walking if it didn't have 2 Telsa Drives in order to grant it flight. Even then, it still had balancing issues.

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>>15593740

The YF-22 prototypes would be even more fitting.

Experimental Prototype can't commission in the military service into mass-produce whether there available parts and components if this machine is combat proven.

>>15610725
Try that again in English, please.

>>15610733
Problem for the prototypes when they use in combat where they can get the parts and components to repair the damage machines? They will become useless.

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>>15610767
Sometimes prototypes will use off the shelf components. The Have Blue prototypes for the F-117 used T-38 engines, F-16 fly by wire systems, and C-130 environmental systems, for example. Of course no one ever actually uses prototypes in combat outside of videogames and anime because that would be retarded, but I don't think its solely because they would lack parts, although that would be a factor.

>>15601939

Those stavrati assholes...

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Sometime the prototype is meant to become a combat unit.
But that's when it cost too much to abandon it and the final product isn't in big quantity either.

The Gunbuster, mecha as big as some of their universe ship would fit that need, by the time they mass produce Sizzler however...

But a Gundam no, the excuse of having special gundanium armor don't fit the themes of avoiding plot armor. it's only called prototype to justify it's uniqueness and the added danger.

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>>15610804
Which is how you get shitboxes like this that go on to become wonders like the Dom.