What is Go Nagai's absolute worst work? When did he

>>15575264
>When did he hit rock bottom
The day you were born

>>15575264
The one with the delinquent highschool girl with the sentient uniform fighting against the corrupt student council while looking for her dad's killer. Not sure what the hell he was thinking on that one.

I hated dororon.

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>>15575266
fpbp
digits don't lie

>>15575264
None and never in that order
>>15575272
Not Nagai, that was Trigger shit

>>15575264
He was pretty prolific so I don't think what's been translated does more than scratch the surface since he's got a lot of small stuff here and there that might be bad. Overall his stuff is pretty great, i would say the worst of his work I've seen is Devilman Lady or Devilman Saga.

As for hitting Rock Bottom, literally never. He is one of the absolute richest and most famous mangaka to date.

>>15575345
>likes Go Nagai
>doesn't like Trigger/Gainax
How is this even possible?

>>15575414
Not even that guy, but it's pretty easy since Trigger/Gainax are shit.

I didn't read a lot of Nagai yet, but second half of Great Mazinger (the actual Great stuff) seems pretty weak compared to his Mazinger Z.
The funny fact is that it's still better than Great anime...

>>15575264
When you kill yourself, Pablo

>>15575725
who the fuck is Pablo?

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>>15575552
>reading Great Mazinger
>original characters suddenly replaced with new characters who are exactly the same
I don't get it

>>15575264
He hit rock bottom when xpearse started "translating" his stuff

>>15575422
so are you faggot

Go nagai has never been good desu

>>15575264
Excluding the Jeeg and Grendizer manga since I don't know how much he actually worked on them, Mist Story is absolutely my least favorite work of his I read.

>>15576551
neither your shitposts desu

>>15575264
He keeps topping himself each time

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You tell me.

>>15577259
>diebuster cherrypicking again

>>15575402
That means nothing. Most of it is still trash. Almost an equivalent to Roger Corman career. Even if there's a few decent titles among it, the huge majority is nothing but a huge pile of shit. Quantity over quality.

>>15577328
>the huge majority is nothing but a huge pile of shit
Just like your life

>>15577328
The only similarity between Corman and Nagai is that they were both prolific and both liked exploitative/crude stuff. The difference is that Nagai never struggled for relevance or money, Nagai is one of the most well known and successful creators in Japan and created several massive franchises/titles that had worldwide success. To hit rock bottom you need to be desperately making attempts for relevance/money, something Nagai has never and will never have to do.

The quality of his work its subjective and up to personal taste, of course I get the feeling you likely have read/watched few of either creators' works so to you they are shit either way.

>>15577464
This. He mostly never did a bad thing IMO. Whether you like it or not, he's always had a clear vision for his works and has fufilled everything they were meant to be, even it was trashy/campy

>>15576950
It's actually the oposite for me. Mist Story is one of my favorites. I love when Uncle Go does horror

>>15577464
>>15577476
Nagai would not have any worldwide fame at all if it was not for Toei. He was just attributed way too much credit for other people's works very loosely based in some random idea he had. His OVAs were much closer to his actual work and were generally disliked everywhere. And the only reason people buy his manga these days is because they're nostalgic about Toei anime. Even Nagai was ashamed of this fact and ended doing Grendizer Giga just because Moebius thought he had anything to do with the Grendizer anime.

>>15578636
>mental gymnastics to fit a troll narrative: the post

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>>15575345

There's also that one retard

>>15578668
That's a nice way to put your lack of argument, I give you that.

>>15578712
So you've got no argument? Typical.

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>>15575264
Lovely Angel hands down. That's his worst work.

>>15578636
Even if we take Toei out of the equation and say all of his manga is crap and that he's just an idea man, stuff like Mazinger Z, Devilman, and Cutie Honey are examples of things that resonated in the industry with effects still being felt today. Even as "random ideas" that's good enough to deserve some praise I think.

As a point of comparison he's not a walking ego like Stan Lee, soaking up the praise for the blood sweat and tears of artists like Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko and at least he did more to personally bring his ideas to life than Lee ever did.

violence jack.

>>15578925
Vj is his best work.

>>15578636
That's for Matsumoto. Also, his manga were popular without Toei. Toei had no involvement with Harenchi Gakuen.

>>15578838
Devilman the manga is a best seller and that's without Toei.

>>15578636
Groizer x got famous abroad and that wasn't Toei.

>>15578725
Literally nothing wrong with lovely angel.

>>15578636
Do you realise that Mazinkaiser and Getter Robo Armageddon were both best sellers? Those weren't Toei.

The Juushin Liger manga kinda sucked.

>>15579416
You're right. It's the only bad Nagai manga I read.

Jushin Liger doesn't belong to Nagai anymore anyway.

>>15578723
That's because all your arguments are shit and were proven wrong a long time ago, Pedro

>>15575272
If you check the archives I made this exact point a few episodes into Kill La Kill. Cant remember where though, I even made an infograph with the similarities.

>>15579418
Pretty much. He didn't give a single fuck about it, so it ended up being so aggressively bland.

>>15579421
He created the manga, so it still counts regardless of whether he still owns it or not.

>>15579454
Even when he still owned it, he never brought it up ever again, unlike Groizer X and Govarian which were not by Toei, and yet he still remembered them.

>>15579454
I hope someone subs the anime, at least. The manga's shit, but the anime seems pretty sick.

>>15579505
Okay, let me go over this one more time. He created the manga, so it counts regardless of whether he still owns it or not. It counts whether or not he gave a fuck while writing it.

Also, Liger's anime was made by Sunrise. He refused to work with Toei for a long while after they took his name off of Gaiking's credits.

>>15579516
I'd definitely give it a shot if more episodes were subbed. I admit, I have a soft spot for late 80s action anime.

>>15579628
>>15579516
The anime is pretty solid. The second half suffers a bit from playing down the organic elements and hand to hand combat. Ryu Dolk is lots of fun. Most of the best action and episodes are in the first half. The one where Ken has to kill his friend amid bizarre homoerotic subtext is easily the most memorable part of the show. I think it's episode 8.

>>15579649
It's not /m/ without the bizarre homoerotic subtext.

>>15578636
The Devilman manga is popular enough to have coffee commercials based on it.
>>15578925
You're a big fag
>>15577259
I was probably the first to be super vocal about "70s Nagai is best" on 4chan but I'm obviously not the only one who thinks that

>>15579653
diebuster, fuck off

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>>15579757
70s Nagai is the best, though. He was at the top of his game then.

>>15579833
80s Nagai was better

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>>15579893
It really wasn't. But do try to prove it.

>>15579957
The drawings are better

>>15579833
>>15579957
Just fuck off forever, xpurse

>>15575264
Devilman is the only good manga he did

>>15581052
objectively wrong, Pedro.

>>15579454
Did he not care about Great Mazinger or Grendizer either? They seem corny and bland compared to Mazinger Z, hardly any fanservice or jokes or people getting ripped apart

>>15575422

You can't even decide what studio you hate, but by god do you have to let people know you hate SOMETHING.

>>15581282
>You can't even decide what studio you hate
Are you fucking illiterate? Did you have to get your mommy to type that out for you? I hate Trigger and Gainax. Get your mommy to read this to you.

>>15575422
Gainax at least was good a long time ago. Trigger has always been shit.

>>15581287
> Did you have to get your mommy to type that out for you?

Holy shit, what are you? A stock asshole character from a direct to video 80s movie?

I'd expect better insults from ACTUAL CHILDREN.

It's not a matter with Go Nagai's works being good or bad. It's about having fun on the drive. Like Mazinger.

>>15581291
Kill la Kill is a masterpiece

>>15581317
In what ways?

>>15581334
It's about hot badass naked girls kicking each other's asses, with the coolest visuals and the coolest director ever. It's everything that anime should be

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Both Trigger and Gainax are bad.

If you're an actual Nagai fag, you stick by the best, aka Brain's Base.

They have the best animation quality.

>>15581358
It's got none of that though.

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>>15581371
They made the best Nagai adaptations that's for sure.

>>15582329
That was based. Too bad plebs didn't get it.

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>start reading Gakuen Taikutsu Otoko
>very first page is this
this is why Go Nagai is the best ever

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>>15582683
fucking sick

>>15581371
>Brain's Base
That reminds me, they never did finish Chō Jikū Robo Meguru, did they.

>>15582329
Blows my mind that they both did this and the darker version.

>>15582329
What is the 70s Enma-kun anime like?

>>15582727
It was alright from what I watched. I like the remake a lot more.

>>15581291
Little Witch Academia is fun and honestly quite good, but that's the only credit I'll give Trigger. Okay, maybe Luluco too. KLK was awful though.

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>>15582329
Wonder why they thought going full edge would be a good idea

>>15584193
It's based on a Nagai manga.

>>15584220
Go nagai is also silly too. They got rid of that.

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>>15585864
The Kikoushi Enma manga was more violent than the anime.

>>15585864
>>15586279
Apparently the sequel is more lighthearted.

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>>15586282
The sequel wasn't by Nagai.

>>15585891
Is that one of those nu versions Nagai loves to make? Looks awful.

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>>15586314
Objectively wrong.

>>15575264
Its people who hit rock bottom. Not sure exactly when, but basically when cool things with badass designs, awesome battles and lot of guts became "edgy" and manga/anime about group of people (usually female highschoolers) doing nothing became "masterpieces"

>>15586470
thicc sweaty thighs. nice one Nagai

>>15586502
I wish my right eyeball could do that...

>>15579651
Amen, brother.

>>15581297

kek

>>15582683
>>15582686
That manga is pretty bad, but I like the art work.

>>15586804
I think it's good.

>>15575264
Nothing. He has been on point.

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>>15575264
toxic avenger 2

>>15586804
Why do you find it bad?

>>15586820
Why do you find it good?

>>15575264
Cutie Honey. Absolute tripe through and through.

>>15589942
Why haven't you killed yourself already?

>>15589942
>that policeman who didn't wear pants and was constantly leaking blood from hemorrhoids
what was Uncle Go thinking

>>15575414
To be honest, Nagai feels more sincere when he jerks off his own work than Imaishi does. While I loved all his stuff pre-Trigger, I think it was Luluco that made me go from "this is fun!" to "Jesus Christ this shit again," and mostly because of how much I liked RRK. I felt cheated when every episode was just a reference, and I've never had a more groanworthy line than "ikimasu, trigger-chan."

>>15589942
Why do you feel this way?

>>15590124
Honestly I agree, Cutey Honey feels like a concept more than anything else Nagai has done. There's not a lot of effort put in, and while I enjoy the characters and the powers, Cutey Honey as a manga feels pretty low effort.

>>15590241
Why do you feel this way?

>>15575264
What was that go nagai manga where a womans plane crashes in a jungle and shes raped by literally everything and everyone, snakes, lions, natives, a tree, her rescuers

>>15591646
Viva onna tarzan

>>15590241
Literally nothin wrong with the manga.

>>15591768
Except it sucks.

>>15578838
People always say this but Stan Lee has gone out of his way to credit the artists time and time again.

>>15594190
After they either died or became a recluse out of the eyes of society.

>>15594225
I guess, but it's not entirely his fault the media won't stop sucking his dick like "THE MAN WHO INVENTED COMIC BOOKS". "THE MAN WHO MADE SUPERMAN".

He made a letter specifically stating that he did not create Spider-Man alone with his signature right under it.

Stan Lee is a good guy. The confusion surrounding his many collaborations such as the Fantastic Four and Spider-Man is not unlike the confusion with Go Nagai and Ken Ishikawa's works.

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>>15582329
I fucking love that show.

>>15594262
Funny enough, I read recently that Stan Lee likes Nagai's artstyle.
I guess he likes him enough to spare him from his lifeforce absorption.

What's the difference between each Shin Maou Dante? Do they live up to the original?

>>15594245
By God, even Superman!?

>>15594326
>Do they live up to the original?
Yeah, they're both terrible. Shin is even worse.

>>15594291
If you don't mind the question, where?

>>15594140
No it doesn't.

>>15595200
Nothing wrong with mao Dante unless you're a Christian cuck

>>15595378
Yes it does.

>>15595414
Objectively wrong.

>>15595425
>>15595414
>>15595378
>>15594140
Why do you people love shitposting so much I don't get it.
Don't you get bored of repeating the same lines again and again and again all the time?

>>15595430
Low effort shitposting deserves low quality response

>>15595200
>Maou Dante
>bad
Do you hate fun?

Anyone read Neo Mao Dante? It's not very good.

>>15595380
Why do you always say that when Mao Dante is mentioned? It's okay if people didn't like it.

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Jesus, that art.

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>ancient civilisation was more or less japan
WE

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WAS

>>15596231
>Anyone read Neo Mao Dante?
A lot of his retreads are kinda bad. It's strange because when he just continues the story or works with someone else it turns out great, but when he is asked to make new entries for his other stuff he just keeps making Devilman over and over again with whatever the IP is (or making Devilman into a power armor series). But that was mostly the 90s and early 00s where you couldn't be as goofy as Nagai like to be, his stuff since then has been more on point.

>>15596236
That art looks perfectly fine?

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>REEEEE
>stop trying to take the earth from demons
It's really cringy how he just rages into being a demon like this was write by a 5 year old... or someone with the mental capacity of one.

>>15596251
The art looks stale, devoid of life and expression.

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Shin (True) Maou Dante looks like some gay ass shit

Fuck off, Diebuster.

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>>15596255
>like this was write by a 5 year old...
The irony is palpable.

>>15596255
>>REEEEE
>>stop trying to take the earth from demons
The point of it is that from Nagai's perspective he wanted to make a story that could explain "why a loving and just God could allow such tragedy in this world." Nagai always has had a rebellious side to him so he wanted to ask "what if God is the bad guy and demons are innocent?" I think the idea is better executed in Devilman particularly since it focuses more on human's place in this struggle which is more interesting in my opinion and he explores the themes of what makes a human more in depth than anything in Dante.

Also don't use ree on this board, please.

>The art looks stale, devoid of life and expression
We looking at the same page? Because I see a lot of strange creative looking creatures matching forwards, all with differing intents in their eyes. If there is one credit that I give Nagai is he comes up with cool designs, and that beastly/grotesque characters and robots are his speciality. It's a big reason why to this day I think Devilman has some of the best panels he's ever done. Now they he's going back to his comfort zone in recent years I think he actually may be at his personal best height in art.

>>15596231
>>15596251
>>15596255

It's fine.

15.25/20 on french site, manga-news.

http://www.manga-news.com/index.php/serie/Mao-Dante-Kamima-Taisenhen

>>15596251
>but when he is asked to make new entries for his other stuff he just keeps making Devilman over and over again with whatever the IP is
I am okay with this

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Nagai just put his all into drawing this. Simply amazing art and detail going on here.

>>15596275
>argument is invalid because of a single literacy mistake
>looks like I win here
>good day
Was this your thought process?

>>15596286
>french
Like that means anything. Then again, it seems that comes from the single review on there and the guy is probably a fanboy.

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Manga-news critic scores. They have French reviews for every volume.

http://www.manga-news.com/index.php/auteur/NAGAI-Go

From best to worst

Devilman 17.4/20
Cutie Honey 16.5/20
Harenchi Gakuen 16.33/20 (Not everything is out yet)
Divine Comedy 15.33/20
Shin Mao Dante 15.25/20
Amon 14.92/20
Great Mazinger 14.5/20
Grendizer (One-shot) 14.5/20
Grendizer Giga 14.25/20
Mazinger Z 14.17/20
Grendizer (Gosaku Ota) 11.75/20 (I'm actually surprised by this critic's rating, I thought it was better than Nagai's version)

>>15596300
>Then again, it seems that comes from the single review on there
I tend to agree with their reviews about Nagai manga.

>the guy is probably a fanboy.
I don't see how it invalidates his views on the manga. If someone likes a manga, then he should give it a high score. That's just normal. By the way, he doesn't even have any of Nagai's works listed as his favourites on his profile page, so there goes your argument.

http://www.manga-news.com/index.php/membre/Koiwai

is Kekkou Kamen good?

>>15596314
It's enjoyable for what it is.

>>15596312
Nagai's Grendizer has that bitchin' chapter where the Mazingers tag team him but other than that, it's pretty forgettable, yeah.

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>>15596326
This part was pretty cool too

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>>15596321
So no?

>>15596312
>Amon 14.92/20
That's way too high. By that alone, you can't trust any of their scores.

>fanboys
Fanboys tend to overrate the manga of their favourite authors. Then again, the reviewer could have just felt bad for Nagai and gave it a higher score.

>>15596300
>argument is invalid because of a single literacy mistake
Me making fun of your 'literacy mistake' had as much depth as your 'argument'.

>>15596356
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>15596356
>Fanboys tend to overrate the manga of their favourite authors.
So by your logic, no manga is allowed to get a high score, because if they do, then they're just a fanboy. I already showed you that the critic doesn't have Nagai as his favourite author, so you can stop saying stupid shit.

>>15596356
>That's way too high.
Pray tell, what's wrong with Amon?

>>15596412
It's a fair score. The story is not great, but the art makes up for it, hence the score.

>>15596419
I quite like Amon and would probably rate it 15/20 mainly hindered by a bit of sloppy writing but overall an interesting story and, in my opinion, the only good Devilman sequel. I can agree with that reviewers score, but I want to hear why this anon is claiming that score is too high.

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>>15596412
There's nothing drastically wrong with it, but it's just not very good. Also, the art tends to look rather odd at times.

>>15596419
Art does not equal a great manga. Yeah, I did like the art, but the story was like fanfiction. Bad fanfiction may I add.

>>15596440
>the only good Devilman sequel
Don't you like Devilman Lady?

>>15596286
>>15596312
I'm french and I have to say manga-news is full of shit. People writing those have no credentials. it's like our own version of ANN.

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Come on, H.R. Giger, even the wheatomorph had a better design.

>>15596300
>Nagai just put his all into drawing this. Simply amazing art and detail going on here.

There's nothing amazing about that. You just have very low standards.

>>15596572
>you need credentials to enjoy manga
What the fuck.

>>15596579
Can you fuck off now Pablo? It looks amazing and you just have shit taste. Now go kys.

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JUST

Personally, the art in Amon makes me want to puke. If the mangaka was trying to make it look as grotesque as possible, he's a genius.

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Jesus Christ. I don't remember it looking that bad.

>>15596579
I was being sarcastic, nimrod.

>>15596581
Check your eyes first, Pedro. I don't expect you to understand what good art looks like, but your example was a particularly bad one. And I think Nagai can do decent stuff sometimes with a lot of help from assistants, of course[\spoiler]

Fuck off, xPearse. Why do you continually shitpost?

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My god, this is so fucking cringy. Have you people even read this? I've seen people on /m/ say it was shit years ago, so I don't get why you people are now trying to say it's good.

Have you actually even read it? And I mean the entire thing.

>>15596601
To be honest I'm just confused why you keep posting 10/10 pages and acting like they're bad

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>>15596610
>10/10 pages
Ja ja ja ja. I think you need your eyes checked.

>>15596593
Your post is objectively wrong.

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OH MY RUBBER EDGE

>>15596615
It's not my cup of tea, but I've seen worse.

can someone explain this foreign name meme to me? who the fuck is Pablo or Pedro

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>>15596624
But 10/10 pages.

>>15596629
It's a reference to how Nagai is only popular in third world countries.

>>15586470
Is that a fucking female version of Kitaro from GeGeGe no Kitaro?

>>15596633
Objectively wrong. It's a reference to shitposters who can't stop shitting up threads because they're losers.

>>15596633
Also, kill yourself Juan.

>>15596644
After you, João.

>>15596657
You first, Rodriguez.

>>15596629
Years ago, an Italian shitposter kept making troll threads like these and someone mistakenly called him a Mexican. He flipped out and proved he was actually Italian, but everyone kept calling him Hispanic names just to piss him off. Anyone who says otherwise is a newfag.

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>>15596636
There's a Kitaro in Kekkou Kamen too for some reason

>>15596658
I insist, José.

>>15596715
Nagai was all about cheap parodies and knockoffs back then.

>>15596644
>>15596657
>>15596658
>>15596732
stop talking to yourself Nigel

>>15596743
Only after you, Manoel.

>>15596743
>>15596741
Stop talking as if you know anything at all, William.

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Honestly, what is his worst work or something somewhere near the bottom?

>>15597201
Dororon Enma-kun is the worst I've read. It's boring and repetitive and not very funny.

>>15597201
That Duke is making me uncomfortable.

>>15596332

what the fuck

>>15596566
>Don't you like Devilman Lady?
No, it's quite boring and rather stupid

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>>15596314
I enjoyed the yuri

>>15597444
And they call themselves vegans!

>>15596332
I thought that whole bit was too much of a rehash of Grogos G5 from the Mazinger Z manga.

>>15597788
Yeah, Nagai has a very limited scope of ideas.

>>15598045
Joke's on you. Ishikawa made that story.

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>>15598199
You know, it's okay if somebody didn't like it. Not every one of Nagai's works are amazing. In fact, many of them are subpar.

>>15598523
This. This is objectively correct. For real.

>>15597237
>>15598523
>>15598552
You just have bad taste

>>15596629
The Flinstones in Spanish.

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>>15598594
People are entitled to their own opinion. No need to be so insecure about somebody disliking something you liked.

>>15599551
Their opinions suck and so do yours, xpearse.