Why does the level of technology in 0083 seem to be higher than

It's pretty common for prequels to have more advanced stuff because it helps sell merchandise.

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And that's why I'm enjoying Rebellion so much. It tries to bridge mechanical continuity from the early 0080s to the gryps era.

>>15546155
then when they release stuff that has lower tech, people lose their shit (twilight axis and g-saviour)

though with TA it's more about the shitty gunpla.

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really like that it incorporates a few stuff from the 0081 video game.

>>15546131
I think the GP01 fitted in nicely with the RX78 and MkII.

>>15546131
Because the 90s were full of garbage OVAs that ended up neutering the industry after the producers realized that you can't just let every retard who was a key animator direct high-budget projects that need to be more than just pretty.

>>15546161
It looks like GB01Fb and the HFA-78-3 had a baby and I am erect.

>>15546166
Nice the G-line needs more love.

>>15546131
>looks way more impressive

Are they actually more impressive though?

So, there are internal power level inconsistencies in an anime universe like UC, it's just a product of slotting in new entries into gaps in the established timeline. Thunderbolt also has some OP suits for the period it purports to represent.

A more in-universe argument would be that the GPO series is basically the pinnacle of OYW tech; technically, everything we see in 0083 was in MS:G, just to a much higher level. In Zeta, we see a shift in design and manufacturing of suits, ones with less armor and more transforming gimmicks. Zeta's suits, especially with the movable frame technology, are more adapted to the realities of beam weapons and how they'll fuck you up regardless of how thick your armor is. And, on the topic of the MK-II, that's about all it had going for it. It's pretty much an exact reimagining of the RX-78-2 with the technology of UC 0087 and no added gimmicks.... unless you count the vulcan headpod.

To put it a different way, the GPO series are really high-end concept designs created to push the envelope of mobile suit technology. The RX-78-2 and RX-178-2 are prototypes designed to transition cutting-edge technology to the mainstream assembly line.

>>15546161
Rebellion really needs to be in the next G Gen game.

>>15546165
>g-saviour
>low tech
Doesn't that thing have crazy specs? Like way past the Victory series and the Crossbones?

>>15546193
A decent comparison to the GP series might be Scirocco's MS.

>>15546196
Apparently the space mode has crazy thrust but beyond that it's reactor is weaker.

It's weapons don't seem that special, and it weighs a shit load more. (but with the thrust it has in the space mode it's not that bad)

>>15546208
Why did nobody ever develop beam saber funnels

>>15546196
more of everything else.
>>15546196
>>15546213

how does thrust translate into power? like could it have pushed axis back solo?

>>15546193
The MK2 wasn't even the first MK2 test unit. They made the one Zero uses which was considered too expansive so they did the MK2s we see which are just monitor tests

>>15546259
is that the one worth three battleships?

>>15546237
G-Saviour space mode's max thruster output is ~12 GM IIIs, so probably not.

>>15546263
http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/RX-178-X0_Prototype_Gundam_Mk-II

>>15546267
ah! thanks for the info!
>>15546269
you got to ask how they'd managed to make the construction to be so expensive.

>>15546259

> Gihren's Greed info
> literally the game in duscussion where the quote about only animated units being canon comes from

>>15546237
Idk I never said it was more powerful just had more thrust, and desu, I got it from the wiki and the number seems absurd compared to everything else so who knows.

>>15546131
>Why does the level of technology in 0083 seem to be higher than that of Zeta?

The Japanese don't give a rat's ass about "continuity". They don't care about continuity when it comes to narrative and mecha. This whole thing about "continuity" is an obssession of western fans. Thing is the UC was never a coherent timeline. There are more retcons and splinter zeon groups than you can shake a fist at. To say nothing at all about the "secret" one of a type Gundam or Zeon prototypes that are bigger in numbers than mass produced units. If you haven't understood how the Japs operate after 40 fucking years then you're fucking stupid. Can't say it more diplomatically.

>>15546370

> The Japanese don't give a rat's ass about "continuity".

This is, ironically a Western meme. Some Japanese creators don't care about continuity, but plenty of fans do. Hence why Kawamori had to clarify his view of Marcross continuity several times throughout the 90s, why Tomino had a continuity throughout UC that Banrise stuck to for years and why his statement that G-Reco took place after Turn-A was something the moderater said would cause problems etc.

>>15546131
The Gundam project series was most likely wiped off all records.
They pretty much made it so that by the end of 0083 all those involved would never be credible for anything ever again.
Plus in Crossbone ghost the mc who is a gundam nut tried to research this and says something along the lines of the GP units' existence being something of legend.
Think of it like those conspiracy theories of Nazi superweapons.

>>15546171
Wait does she actually blow her brains out or is this like a dream sequence or a fakeout or what

>>15546370
>There are more retcons and splinter zeon groups than you can shake a fist at
In the animated works there isn't. You're over-exaggerating to make your point but it results in you looking like a fucking retard.

>>15546131
There are two main technologies that set apart the Gryps era from the OYW: movable frames and transforming MS. 0083 has neither, and every single piece of technology related to the GP-series gets its asshole blown out by the end of the OVA anyway. The GP03 isn't even that impressive from a tech level, the Dendrobium's just a big boat full of guns and the Stamen has sub-arms, I guess? The O has twice as many and can actually use its in melee combat, so even that's wrong.

The Feds also suppressed most of the information about the incident, and given how many Dendro knockoffs there are in Advance of Zeta it's pretty easy to figure out where all that data went.

To my memory the GP suits were more meant to display the technology AE was developing rather than be produced themselves. All the shit thrown into them probably makes them far too espensive to produce for that to be practical. The Dendrobium is basically a mobile armor you can only slot one kind of suit into, so that's not all that practical either.

Also, by the time of Zeta technology ended up trending elsewhere. With the realization that beam weapons were now the standard, armor mattered less and less and the focus went to developing things like the special frames that allow for transforming mobile suits, and therefore higher mobility and the possibility of unaided atmospheric reentry.

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>>15546131
I think you're confusing visual design sophistication with in-universe sophistication.

The mecha is 0083 look more advanced than the stuff in Zeta, from a visual perspective. The designs are so much more refined and the huge budget really let the designers go all out. But in terms of technology in the fictional universe, it's not more advanced than Zeta. Like 0079, 0083 places a big emphasis on mobile armors, which is something largely phased out by the time of Zeta and its sequels.

>>15546518
>The mecha is 0083 look more advanced than the stuff in Zeta, from a visual perspective.

The Zeta looks more advanced than the GP series. Not to mention the GP series still uses the RX-78 Core block system, except for the 02, where the Zeta is fully transformable, which is higher tech right there.

>>15546658
>Not to mention the GP series still uses the RX-78 Core block system, except for the 02, where the Zeta is fully transformable, which is higher tech right there.

That has nothing to do with visuals. 4/10 stay on topic.

Honestly, it was never that hard for me to believe the coverup would impact technological development in the timeline. People make it out like it's so easy to steal design documents once the project is scrapped, the plans are classified, and key personnel put to death. Hell, only two of those three things happened to the CF-105 and they still can't figure out how to build one to spec without using more recent technology.

Before 9/11, people used to complain about the colony drop leading to the formation of the Titans not making any sense either.

>>15546193
So in a way, the GP series of suits parallel the Birmingham. Each representing a very expensive, very 'pinnacle' expression of some aspect of how the OYW was fought.

>>15546658
isn't the core block more concerned about pilot and combat data safety?

transformable MS is higher tech but hardly comparable in this case.

>>15546426
I think it turns out to be a fakeout.

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>>15546370
You're a fucking retard.

Beyond the GP03 and Neue Ziel, which are just jam packed moving forts the GP series gundams aren't even that OP in the show. Their OPness comes from the 3rd party info books that gave them like 3Gs or 4Gs of acceleration and high-end reactors, and Sunrise ended up compiling them because the fans already accepted it. The reality is that on screen MS always looked ridiculous. Char's Zaku II strafed at light speed and the Gundam could straight up jump to flight altitude no problem. The Mk. II and Hyaku Shiki jump on top of each other's shoulders and catch up to the Asshimer, which was on the tail (and gaining) a fucking space shuttle. They were monsters for lack of a better word. What we SEE in 0083 is no problem, what we read about how the GP01-FB can accelerate at 3.16Gs is a problem.

The continuity problem isn't even from Sunrise! The only show that's actually terrible is 08th MS team with MUH GROUND GUNDAMS and pic related but 0080 and 0083 are both sound technologically.

>>15547090
Ground Gundam was a GM with some spare gundam protype parts slapped on.

>>15547118
The GM literally wasn't even produced until after the RX-78-2 was done and in testing. And the GM is just as good as the Gundam so why are Ground Gundams such pieces of shit?

Rewatching 0079 on the heels of The Origin is leading me into the rabbit hole of UC's many inconsistencies.

/m/en, let's say you're given the right to decide what the one True UC is. Timeline, suit specs, non-animated apocrypha, everything. The caveat being that you MUST incorporate all animated entries into UC canon. Can't just say "08th MS team didn't happen lol." Minor tweaks (Like Ramba Ral having seen guncannons before, if you wanted to wed Origin and 0079, for example), are acceptable.

For example, I much prefer The Origin's timeline for MS development to anything we're told about how quickly Zeon spat out the Zaku series elsewhere, and would want that kept.

I get that this is a dumb premise, but given that some of you, like me, are history nerds who ran out of history, this sounds like a good exercise.

>>15547189
The problem with Origin is that Yas wrote it as its own continuity independent of the show and the compilation movies, completely different. And right now they're adapting one of the later books fairly closely. So we don't know where the Origin ovas will fit in yet

>>15547182
>GM is just as good as the Gundam
The whole point is that it's not, so they can mass-produce it. They don't even have the same armor.

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>>15546131

Because 0083 has "High End Prototypes" while the majority of early Zeta stuff is "proof of concept" or mass produced.

The Gp01 is basically the end point of the technology they have at that point. Without a revolutionary new technology, it's about as good as your going to get... And still extremely complicated and expensive, thus never mass producible.

Could it take out GM2's and Hizacks fairly easily? Most likely. It would likely give the MkII a good fight.

But the thing about the MkII, is that it didn't follow the same trope as from the first series: It was not the most powerful thing ever created during its rollout. It was still a prototype, but for the most part it was to show off the movable frame and what that allows in an MS.

It's only when Kamille and Sirocco start throwing prototypes into the field that Zeta's tech starts to ramp up much.

0083 is doing that right from the start. Even the GM Custom ( later inspiring the Quell) are higher end than the GMII's,as once again, they are low run, higher spec custom units.

The GP01FB is that same concept as the GP01 and ramped up even further by throwing the biggest thrusters they could on it with as much power as it would allow (Graham Aker would approve). The majority of pilots would never be able to handle such a beast.

The GP03, is more basic than the GP01FB, but is still packing the same concept as the GP01 (best you can be with current tech)... Except it has the new cockpit design and a mobile armor to dock to.

Even without the specs on the 0083 suits, it makes sense that a 4 year old expensive as hell prototype could match or beat mass produced stuff 4 years later without any major technology breakthroughs... Which the movable frame technology isn't even much of in terms of actual overall performance.

>>15546131
If you compare the denbrobium and the stamen to grunt suits sure, but if you compare them to the high tier suits near the end of Zeta, like The O, Quebely and Hyaku Shiki, they are comprable, with the latter two clearly being more advanced at least in their newtype shenanigans

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>>15547322
>inb4 Kou is a terrible pilot meme

>>15547232
Besides the armor it's 99% of the gundam. According to gunpla manuals it even has more features like an attachable bazooka dock on the backpack and a charging port on the hip that can slowly recharge the beam spray gun out of battle.

>>15546193
Is this something along the lines of tank warfare during the 60's 70's where any decent HEAT ammo will fuck you up so designers just threw away armor and focused on mobility?

EX: Leopard 1

>>15546131
If there's one thing I hate about 0083's design philosophy it's that every mobile suit has big honking feet that look about 20% too big for the rest of the body. I suppose it doesn't lose anything in performance but it just looks ugly to me.

>>15548082
Sort of. That change really happens later on, around the time of F91, where designers start to abandon armour and make the MS smaller to present a smaller target. Zeta era is all about more thrusters (which is part of why there's transformable mechs in it), but armour's still around and it still kind of matters.

>>15548216
basically, until the F-series, the MSs are mostly designed as "weapon deployment systems" so the focus on thrust(GP01Fb, the various transforming MS) and weapon load(the various MAs) with a dash of survivability(movable frame) and NT weaponry

This resulted in "big targets easy to hit" at least as far the normal soldiers were involved.
Then SNRI got the idea of reducing the size: at that point in time, beam weaponry was good enough even a compact weapon would be deadly anyway- no reason to pack many weapons.

Unless you are the Skull Heart Full Cloth or the V2AB, but they are exceptions

Why does everything in Thunderbolt look like it was made in 0096?

>>15546131
I figured it was because the gundams "never existed" and all information was blacked out. So MkII designs had to start from scratch

>>15549336
I also figured this would have a hand in it. Given how secretive/compartmentalized Anaheim is, it's possible the GP and MK2 projects also had literally no engineering team overlap either.

>>15549358
>>15549336
Really? But the useful technology was "reinvented" just a few years later such as e-pacs and binders while the pointless technology was cast aside.

>>15549336
0083's not meant to be taken too seriously. It's a big spoof of a military conspiracy thriller and 80s action movies

>>15549358
Anaheim didn't build the Mk-II; it was developed in house by the Titans.

>>15546131
>way more impressive than the MkII
>Implying
All the Gundam in 0083 didn't look very memorable at all. Therefore making them less impressive, because they left less of an impression than the MK2

>>15549437
example of something serious: Threads (1984 movie) just saying...

>>15549479
>He doesn't think Anaheim has it's fingers in the pie.

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>>15547322

>logical poster on /m/

>>15546131
It's because when new writers come in they want their MS to be the most popular so they put loads of fucking ridiculous shit in without doing an iota of research. You can identify bad writers by how hard they try to make their characters stronger than the established, canon ones with no regard for actual context.

>>15548057
Uraki a shit.

>>15547322
The problem with this is the Titans using the Hi-Zack, which is pretty much just a Zaku with new armour. Why would the titans go from the GM Quel (i.e. custom) to the Hi-Zack then to the Marasai? If they have a GM unit it makes no sense to return to OYW Zakus

>>15548409
The V2AB is a mid battle upgrade where the mechanics went "hey we can slap some more shit onto this since Usso is always at the front tanking shit". Half of it's equipment is just stuff they have in the hanger and can attach tot he V2

>>15550392
Kou was a shit pilot though, so your reasoning doesn't work.

>>15550455
The Marasai is more advanced than the Mk II, being the (apparently) first MS to be able to recharge its beam rifle as quickly as it can use it according to the HGUC manual.

The Hi-Zack is officially produced by AE, which got a bunch of Zeonic (a former MS engineering company at Side 3) engineers and their first MS was the Hi-Zack, based on Feddie and late OYW Zeon designs. The federation stopped producing their own suits outside of former Zeon NT labs so it's clear why they started using Hi-Zacks and then Marasais. That's all AE makes!

>>15550465
You're so full of shit it's amazing you're able to type. AoZ shows countless MS outside of the Hi-Zack and we know GM IIs exist and GM Quels exist which they could just as easily be using.

You have to explain why they went from the GM Custom to the Zaku 2 which is what we see in 0083 > Zeta

>>15550462

I think he's referring to Gato, "The Nightmare of Solomon".

Wasn't there a game scenario where he meets Amuro on the battlefield and they fight to a stalemate? Pretty bullshit considering he was a big enough scrub to get hit by a stray shot in the OYW flashback and his stolen MS destroyed by a greenhorn.

>>15550469
The requirement to be a OYW ace is super low. If you take down a couple of ships you're considered an ace. Taking down 5 MS was all but unheard of.

>>15546131
Because 0083 is a better anime than Zeta

you know it's true /m/

>>15550462
>>15550469
>>15550476
I was talking specifically about the MS themselves. The pilots' skill levels vary wildly as the narrative demands, but the tech specs of the MS are measured and fixed, and still don't fit properly in that era. The GP series are nearly doubly as fast as anything in Zeta that isn't in the last 10 episodes, PLUS they're made of Gundarium, PLUS they have mobile armours they can dock with, PLUS blah blah blah. It reads like a Gundam SEED Destiny Deviantart fanfic.

All that aside, 0083 has fucking beautiful animation. If you can put canon aside, it's a welcome addition to Gundam.

>>15550455
What do you mean they went "from the Quel to the Hi-zack"? They are just different suits that existed in the same period. The Quel is a high budget, high performance grunt suit. The Hi-Zack meanwhile is just about being cheap but still capable of meeting the bottom line, but it's still considered a serious upgrade to the Zaku.

>>15550469
> and his stolen MS destroyed by a greenhorn.
To be fair, it had just taken major radiation damage, wasn't built for dueling, and still took out the GP01Fb at the same time.

>>15550467
Except AoZ isn't actually recognized by Sunrise and the story doesn't even belong to them, it literally belongs to Dengeki Hobby. Banrise just has rights to the mechanical designs so they can make toys.

>>15550826
>Except AoZ isn't actually recognized by Sunrise
imagine believing this

>>15546131
The MK.II tested the movable frame tech which revolutionized MS design. Who cares about mobile suits that are hard to repair and expensive when you could have one that's extremely easy to repair

>>15550455
>>15550661
GM Quel was not used at the same time as Hizack. The Quel would have been in use from about 0083 and the Hizack was first deployed in what, 0085? The Hizack was introduced to replace the GM Quel.

In any case, from what I've read and what I've read, the reason for the adoption of the Hizack was that although the Federation was winding down from the OYW and no longer dedicating as much to its own military, the Titans were expanding and needed to fill its ranks with more MS. The Federation has literally stopped building GMs at some of its major bases. Jaburo used to be a major GM production line but that was shut down and Jaburo gradually lost its importance. Luna II was also a major GM production line but I don't think they remain one after the war. Augusta base used to produce the GM Command frame types in small numbers but in the Zeta era have seemed to have shifted towards R&D instead for special projects like the Gaplant as well as developing enhanced pilots for them. Also consider the fact that the GM II was also not necessarily a newly built MS but were refurbished OYW era GMs, which is why they are sometimes depicted with the "RGM-79R" model number.

With fewer GMs around and not that many bases ready to start producing more GMs again, the Federation and Titans begin exploring the in-house production of other MS that may be easier to build and maintain (Act Zaku, Galbaldy Beta, Zaku Mariner, etc), as well as options from third party manufacturers (that's where the Hizack and Marasai come in). They also adopt the practice of using captured MS like Gouf flight types to fill in their rear line such as at the defense of Jaburo, and needing to call on the EFF or Side 3 for assistance when the Titans lack numbers and support needed for an operation.

>>15550469
Encounters in Space. Yeah, it was complete nonsense. By that time Amuro was reaching the peak of his newtype powers and would've wasted an oldtype like Gato who can't even predict attacks or see giant manifestations of wrath. A mere pleb.

How does fare the suits in Regild century against UC?

>>15551424
which ones and what era?

some of them are basic as fuck like the recksnow and jahannam, while others have stuff like beam cloaks, massive beam cannons, and are flight capable with either raw thrust or minovsky craft, there's even moonlight butterfly

>>15546131
Same reason Unicorn looks more advanced than Victory, or Enterprise looks more advanced than TOS. They're trying to still make it look futuristic by modern standards.

Honestly it wasn't that jarring between 0083 and Zeta, I honestly just assumed it was because the former's style was more detailed.

>>15546196
For the purposes of "better tech sells toys" here, what matters isn't the off-screen techs, but how much crazy shit the robot actually does. The G-saviour can have as many high numbers as it wants, but all it did on screen is shoot some asteroids and get into an akward fight with one dude. It may as well have been a Rick Dom.

>>15553274
Unicorn doesn't have shit on Victory, it has an i-field and the NT-D mode. Outside of that it's tech isn't much beyond CCA. Victory has insane tech on beam shields which cover entire MS twice over even on the most basic grunts. Their beam resistance is also incredibly high where tires are completely immune to beam shots not just i fielded.

>>15546171
Is the manga for 0083 any better than the OVA?

Does Kou still suck?

>>15554473
Rebellion is a completely different story. Kou is a much better character in it and the GP01 is an actual test bed unit

>>15546131
Because it's an AU

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>>15554473
character development is a whole lot better. The earth arc is fleshed out more.
A few chapters are dedicated to chasing Gato's Jukon sub to africa. That why the GP01 has Aqua Gundam attachments and the G-Armor II.
The Zeons at Kimberly Base have a Apsalus/Adzam MA Hybrid when they protect the HLV.
Orville planted a virus into the gunnery targeting systems to explain why the Albion missed the HLV
Before going into space the Albion stops at the Lhasa base with Alice Miller doing an investigation into the Gundam Jacking
A wild Sanders appears at Lhasa.
Allen lives longer and is the jealous pilot for the gundam instead of Monsha.
The manga ties into the Mayfly of Space Part II video sunrise released last year
Kelly survives the Moon battle against the GP01fb
Also explains how and why Zeon high command threw Cima under the bus after the fall of A baoa Qu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9egq6fteSE

>>15549319
The only reply that makes sense.

/m/ is weird sometimes.

>>15546131
Because they had a bigger animation budget, so they could add in details to make the combat feel more face paced. There's nothing concrete to say technology in 0083 was more advanced

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>>15546193
>Zeta's suits, (...) are more adapted to the realities of beam weapons and how they'll fuck you up regardless of how thick your armor is
Nah, from Zeta to CCA suits got bigger and heavier as they piled on more armor. It's Late UC where they truly adapt to the reality of beam weaponry.

>>15557541
0087 suits are bigger because they were doing transformation memes.

0093 suits are fuck huge because of psycoframe and high end minovsky reactors.

They get to their biggest at UC0110 because minovsky flight system testing.

F91 era suits are smaller because of successful miniaturization efforts in minovsky reactors.

>>15546370

What >>15546376 said, but the reason Japan can play a little more loose with canon is because in the West (and Middle East), for over a millenia the word "canon" referred to holy scripture, and we used to quite literally go to war over what was and wasn't canon in it. It's carved into our dna to be anal about canon.

>>15546193
>Thunderbolt also has some OP suits for the period it purports to represent.
Thunderbolt's stuff, at least in the parts set during the OYW proper actually aren't particularly out of line with even the original series, it just looks that way due to stylistic differences the franchise has picked up over the past 40 years

>>15550455
>The problem with this is the Titans using the Hi-Zack, which is pretty much just a Zaku with new armour.
not quite, current official explanation is that the Hi-Zack is actually almost completely different internally than any true Zaku, it just happens to look like a Zaku because most of it's designers used to work for Zeonic, the company that created the Zaku line

of course then there's the older explanation from back in the 80's that claimed that the Hi-Zack was much like the GM II/III in that it was both a new suit and an upgrade that was applied to surplus Zakus that the Federation had lying around after the war(which does line up pretty well with the Federation using a lot of old Zeon equipment during Zeta and ZZ like the Act Zaku or Zaku Marine Type)

>>15547322
>It's only when Kamille and Sirocco start throwing prototypes into the field that Zeta's tech starts to ramp up much.

Wasn't The O just like a heavily modified mining mech?

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>>15548057
>Implying he wasn't
Dude he was as much of an amateur pilot as it got,he should have never got a hold of the GP01 model in the first damn place.

>pic related
Just a reminder this was part of the damage done to the suit because of him irresponsibly taking it into space combat without proper calibrations being done to it for the pilot were finished,sure i feel for kou,but as pilot dude was shit.

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>>15557763
er wrong image but still from the same scene as this one

>>15557763
He's pretty irrational, but not dead. Fought some good pilots and didn't die. The suit was top tier, but I'm sure that it takes more that a meat sack to pilot a fucking mobile suit. Serious case of armchair expert.

>>15557763
Kou will always have a special place in my heart because of combat drugs.

>>15557900
Too be honest,the only mobile suit that kou should have ever piloted was maybe were the RGM-79N GM-custom's,as far him fighting good pilots and not dying,sure i get that but at same time,a lot of the time it came down to luck in the long run,otherwise he is one of if not the worst gundam pilot of all time in the UC timeline,hell even shiro amada was better then him.

>>15557918
>"Combat drugs"
Explaination?

>>15557922

there's a scene where he jabs himself with what looks like some sort a sim pack needle.

>>15557657
The only thing that's really out there is the ReUSE system in Thunderbolt and even that's just the psycommu system by another name.

Thunderbolt just had insulators on the joints which is mostly stylistic and additional independent manipulators for additional shield. Other than that it was just FAG and a Zaku II version of FAG.

Even the Atlas isn't that far off of the 0080 to 0085 stretch.

Honestly it feels more like people think things like 0083 and Thunderbolt are more advanced because the animation is newer or more defined. 08th MS Team is the only real odd one out due to completely fucking up the OYW timeline and then having the Apsalus units even exist and be deployed before any of Zeon's major mobile armors.

>>15557918
Setsuna does it too

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>>15557932
Oh you're talking about this?

>>15558010

yep that's the scene.

>>15558010
That's just some mentos.

>>15557663
No, it was just built for moving in the intense gravity well of Jupiter so it's super fast near earth.

>>15558161
You inject your mentos?
>inb4 you don't
No I snort them obviously

"Looks"

That doesn't mean it is more technologically advanced.

You're just fooled by the aesthetics

>>15546131
The superior animation makes the tech look a lot better than it actually is since the fights aren't just suits panning straight across the screen while intermittently firing. 0083 has plenty of tech that is inferior to even OYW shit like the Dra-C, but people always like to forget about those.

>>15556844
>Orville planted a virus into the gunnery targeting systems to explain why the Albion missed the HLV

That seems utterly unnecessary. Ships in UC miss shit practically all the time. The only time they seem to ever hit something is right before a mobile suit fires a bazooka through the bridge. They already have an in-universe example for missing in the form of minosky particles anyways.

>>15556844
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9egq6fteSE
>this video has been muted due to copyright claim

>>15546179
>Because the 90s were full of garbage OVAs

I'll take "Things that never happened" for 500, Alex.

>>15557763
>Implying he wasn't

He is one of the best old type pilots the the Federation ever had. If you want a true terrible pilot then you should point to Shiro.

>pic related

Being reckless is not the same as having poor skill you dumbass. Amuro was even more reckless stealing the Gundam to attack a zeon base solo. Using your shit logic that must mean he was a shit pilot too huh?

Also 4chan is an English website you ESL faggot. Don't bother posting until you learn to speak English at least at a 3rd grade reading level.

>>15550462
>>15550432
>If I post a meme enough times it will eventually become true!

Fuck off back to >>>/pol/ with that garbage mindset.

>>15550455
Canada's air force downgraded to a bunch of F-5s during the Cold War so there is a real life precedent.

Also, the Titans were exploding in numbers so fast that they didn't have enough top tier suits for the new pilots so they had to give them cheaper weaker suits. Remember in Zeta when they go aboard that ship and recruit all the pilots? It's not like those pilots could take their current suits with them. Meaning they needed to be able to pull a lot of suits out of their ass quickly.

The Titans had elite equipment because they started off as a small unit and took resources from the rest of the Federation. When they expanded into their own army they couldn't afford as nice stuff even with taking funds from the rest of the Federation.

>>15551024
>The Hizack was introduced to replace the GM Quel.

Not true, the Quel remained in service it's just they stopped producing them and the new recruits had to get weaker suits.

>>15559220
Nah, it's stronger than zz.

>>15550476

>>The requirement to be a OYW ace is super low. If you take down a couple of ships you're considered an ace. Taking down 5 MS was all but unheard of.

Wasn't that because during the Battle of Loum, Char took down five ships really fast and that he wasn't in the anti-ship MS units? I mean, Shin Matsunaga took out six, and the Earth Federation are more scared of Char than he is.

>>15554425
I didn't mean in terms of weaponry. I meant regarding the mechanics, the computers inside the cockpit, etc. Looking solely at that, you would think that Unicorn is more advanced. Victory is undoubtedly more advanced, but it doesn't seem that way at first glance.

>>15557919
The only reason he's not dead is because Gato spared him more than once for some reason or another. Except for the GP01FB v. GP02 final battle Gato had him dead, and the GP01FB is an objectively superior MS that was better armed during their encounter. Seriously, the GP01FB shits all over the GP02 and Kou barely pulled off a draw.

Gato really should've killed him after their final battle. It's clear Gato remained lucid during the colony laser firing and the NZ was completely operational while the GP03 was a total mess without even an I-field and Gato spared him for some reason even though they're nemeses and Gato planned on a suicidal last stand anyway.

Besides Gato he didn't really face any good pilots. The mediocre ones like Cima and Kelly outright had inferior suits when they fought him and they still almost got him a few times.

>>15557763
there's also a scene where Kou does a front flip while dual-wielding a beam rifle and 90mm MG and completely MLG noscopes a bunch of Zeek suits, then saves his bridge from certain death with a perfect beam rifle shot on a flying enemy.

The fact that Kou, as a mere test pilot, had the talent to survive numerous encounters with an OYW veteran legend is pretty meaningful. When Cima rocked him that was a matter of immaturity, but not actual piloting prowess.

>>15562811
>When Cima rocked him that was a matter of immaturity, but not actual piloting prowess.
What? But the GP01 couldn't move properly in space so it couldn't really evade Cima's gunfire.

>>15562743
The mediocre ones like Cima and Kelly outright had inferior suits when they fought him and they still almost got him a few times.

Kelly had a mobile armor that surpassed the GP01Fb in everything except maybe agility and speed, Kou was unable to damage the Val Varo even when the beam rifle shots struck the armor.

>>15562868
>Kelly had a mobile armor that surpassed the GP01Fb in everything except maybe agility and speed
The Val Waro's only good for accelerating in a straight line. The GP01FB can accelerate at 3Gs (50% faster than the Val Waro's best) and its thrusters can point in literally any direction. In fact I'm pretty sure Kelly even almost crashed the thing while trying to avoid attacks.

>Kou was unable to damage the Val Varo even when the beam rifle shots struck the armor.
Yea, from the front where it's visibly a big block of armor. Seriously, the GP01FB can outrace the Val Waro and out maneuver it even if the Val Waro was only moving in a straight line and not trying to turn. The GP01fb is fully capable of swooping in and taking shots at the Val Waro's belly or side and Kou spends half the time meandering around. He even got hit by the electric shock things that were slow as beans. .

>>15562890
>Yea, from the front where it's visibly a big block of armor.
Just watched the fight. Kou gets a shot through from the top right before he rams his Gundam straight into the Val Waro's claws. It seems like it's only the cockpit block that's heavily armored enough to tank beams. And Kelly also says the rifle's no good "at that range, against the Val Waro". Yea it has strong armor but it's clearly not invincible against the beam rifle.

>>15557995
>Honestly it feels more like people think things like 0083 and Thunderbolt are more advanced because the animation is newer or more defined.
exactly

>08th MS Team is the only real odd one out due to completely fucking up the OYW timeline and then having the Apsalus units even exist and be deployed before any of Zeon's major mobile armors.
honestly I don't mind them having some MS's be deployed a little earlier(honestly have never been a fan of how the OYW only really has any significant fighting after the initial blitz at the start of the year during it's last couple months), as for the Aspalus, I'm fine with it since compared to most of Zeon's other Mobile Armors(except the Rhinoceros) it's very obviously a jerryrigged project, especially since a lot of it's parts are just taken from Zakus & Doms

Super prototype