Cutie Honey

>>15531934
Didn't we have this exact thread last week?

>>15531940
yeah, some spastic had a sluthate meltdown and it was pretty damn funny

OH BOY HERE WE GO.
Short answer: It is alluded to, but because she's some sort of artificial human being, her father wants her to just live like any other human.

>>15531934
Why the fuck this anime seriously poping out of nowhere first i saw this at a hentai site and then i got a recommendation on youtube on the opening(desu i like the song)and now this board what the hell is going on?

>>15532001
So, no then? That's kinda lame, honestly. You'd think it'd be important at some point. It's like your protagonist happened to be a giant cyborg squid, yet it never becomes a plot point, she just happens to be a giant cyborg squid.

It's all well and good to be concerned more with who the character is, but what they are should still inform their personality and actions.

>>15531934
>>15532069
What the fuck is wrong with you? We had this thread already, and you said the same things then.

>>15532069
cry about her not wearing a burka again fundie

>>15531934
>>15532069
The Live.
>So, no then? That's kinda lame, honestly. You'd think it'd be important at some point. It's like your protagonist happened to be a giant cyborg squid, yet it never becomes a plot point, she just happens to be a giant cyborg squid.
No, it'd be like Amuro constantly asking
>Gundam, what are you?
>Gundam, how are you a robot?
>Wow, Gundam, you sure are a robot. Gee willikers
Gundam is a robot, that's just the nature of the story. It's important to the identity of the series, but there's no need to focus on it all the time.

>>15531934
>>15532069
it´s a major plotpoint in the tokusatsu cutie honey : the live

the went berserk in one episode
and the other 2 girls who weren´t real robots were dying because the tranformation sucked random metal shit into their bodys causing metal spikes to emerge from them

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xegqcq_cutie-honey-the-live-opening_creation

We already had this thread and you're a big dummy for trying it again with the same shit
>>15506794

>>15531934
To salvage this thread, is there any recommended order to getting into Cutie Honey? Cheesecake saves the day doesn't appeal too much to me but I want to give all of Go Nagai's stuff a try as I like the vast majority, also the Re Cutie Honey has really pleasant animation.

Before diving into production order, would you say there is a specific entry best suited to selling the series to someone that's not sure about watching/reading it? Is the manga best or is one of the anime adaptations best?

>>15532069
>So, no then?
I'll sumarize it: It's like the original Kamen Rider 1, a very important piece of backstory that drives the entire conflict, but instead of focusing in it (with the ocassional episode/chapter exception), the Honey/No. 1 focuses more on fighting Shocker/Panther Claw, with no time or reason to wallow on or overthink their mechanical existence, only their duty.

>>15532072
Yeah, and you lot got pissy because I was more interested in the actual story and characters rather than in pointless titshots. Now if you'll excuse me, I trying to have a real discussion here.

>>15532091
That's a pretty shit metaphor, since the RX-78 is nit a character. ALICE of the Sentinel Gundam would've been a better example. Although her nature as an A.I actually does matter to the story.

For real though, why have a robot character if you're not going to do anything with the fact they're a robot? That's bad writing.

>make an autistic thread that misses the point of the show
>get shit on
>cry and make the same thread again

What about the sexual empowerment of the Scopedog as it comes to terms with its existence in a post-war society?
Why is OP only interested in the conventionally cute robots?

>>15532118
did you just ignore the part where >>15532091 mentioned THE LIVE ?

>>15532118
>For real though, why have a robot character if you're not going to do anything with the fact they're a robot? That's bad writing.

No, you're just an idiot. The entire plot revolves around her being a robot, but it isn't introspective about her being a robot like you're aggressively wishing it was. Basically, just fuck off.

>>15532121
If the point of the show is to be pointless dreck, then it's a bad show.

>>15532125
>giving a shit about VOTOMS
Oh /m/, even after all these years, you still worship that hipster crap.

>>15532118
say stupid shit again about her doing charity work with her powers to feed the hungry and how that should be subject of the action cartoon like the last time you made your shitty thread

that was funny

>>15532118
>Dude why are they including this gay character and not making his sexuality a huge part of the plot and should be addressed!?

This is how stupid you sound. It's not important to the plot, something you have made VERY clear you don't know about nor have you experienced it yet you feel the need to discredit it because it doesn't address something you think should be addressed. Have you considered the writer didn't feel the need to go deep into it? That he considered it just premise/setdressing and doesn't feel the need to go into it? That it's not crucial considering the plot, tone, scope, or theme of the series?

>>15532146
>The entire plot revolves around her being a robot
The plot revolves around her being a superhero. Her robotic nature, and thus the source of her powers, is completely incidental. You could replace it with anything and it wouldn't matter, which is also bad writing.

I your story features an element which does not serve the narrative, then that element has no business being in the damn story.

>>15532167
get better material you used that one last time you made your stupid thread >>15506794

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Why would Honey worry about being a robot? At the end of the day she's still herself, she still has free will, and she still knows love. There's no reason for her to wallow in cheap existential philosophy

>>15532167
Did Batman have to be a human? He could have been a dog. Being human was entirely incidental.

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>>15532167
>I your story features an element which does not serve the narrative, then that element has no business being in the damn story.

CUTIE
HONEY
THE
LIVE

>>15532184
She only would if she were a human turned robot, not a robot from the start. That's why it's guy wrenching with that scene in Mazinger Zero where they revive Kabuto Kouji using the tech used to create Honey, and how it's brought into question whether or not his mind might snap seeing that his body is gone. God that scene shook me much more than I expected it to.

>>15532151
I have indeed considered that, and it has led me to the conclusion that Cutie Honey is a piece of shit. If the author didn't feel like going into it, perhaps he shouldn't have bothered.

>gay character just exists
>implying that's in any way acceptable
Then what's the damn point? Why did you bring it up if you're not going to do anything with it? Gay people exist? No shit. And...?

>>15532194
Gut wrenching*

I hate movies where characters have two hands but don't constantly use both hands why even have two hands on the characters REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>15532184
There's no way in hell she doesn't have some kind of opinion on this. Just like how humans ponder about what it means to be human, a robot would likely ponder what it means to be robot.

Does she consider herself a mere tool? Is she so gung-ho in her methods because her parts can be replaced? Does she think herself superior to humans or get fed up with their illogical bullshit?

>>15532185
Considering dogs are incapable of being multi-billionaires, nor are they sapient, yes, Batman did have to be a human, smartass.

>>15532195
>I have indeed considered that, and it has led me to the conclusion that Cutie Honey is a piece of shit.
Congratulations on judging something before experiencing it. You are truly deserving of the title: willfully ignorant.

>Then what's the damn point? Why did you bring it up if you're not going to do anything with it? Gay people exist? No shit. And...?
Why are people people if that's not a core thing they bring up? Why aren't they unique races known as Oglethorpes that urinate acid from their mouths and regurgitate spaghetti from their anus in order to communicate?

Do you know of what minor details are? Do you know that things like sexuality and race do not have to define a character and can just be a trait? Have you considered that things can just be part of a premise and can be setdressing? Atmosphere, world building, character building, these are things done to make a piece of writing relatable, entertaining, to move the plot, or any combination of these things. A character can be made gay to make them feel more human and something the audience can believe and associate with the real world. Cutie Honey is a robot because that's the premise of the series and allows for the whole "she may be different but she's still a normal girl at heart" motif it goes for.

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>>15532210
>Considering dogs are incapable of being multi-billionaires, nor are they sapient, yes, Batman did have to be a human, smartass.
Explain Bathound then, faggot

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>>15532210
>Considering dogs are incapable of being multi-billionaires
bigot

>>15532167
>why is Gundam a robot and not a tank

>>15532212
>relatable
Ah, there's that cancer word. Surprised it took you so long to bust that one out.

>minor details
Again, if it is not important, it doesn't need to be there. Fuck world building, fuck quirks, fuck all of that because absolutely nobody cares about that shit. Just focus on telling the story and cut out all the filler.

>>15532216
>Explain Bathound
Comic books are fucking stupid.

>>15532261
Oh great. It's you. Go back to /a/ and shit up a magical girl thread like you normally do.

>>15532261
why are you bias against dogs

>>15532261
You can write what you consider the greatest story in history, but if it can't relate to an audience then it's not going to go anywhere. I'm not saying hinge everything on relatability because that's called pandering, but if your characters don't feel relatable you are usually writing garbage. Name something good where human elements and relatability aren't put into it.

>Comic books are fucking stupid
That's not an answer as to why Batman, also a comic, can't be a dog. His being a human isn't something he sits down and has a long monologue about nor is it a major plot point. So why is he a human? Why are you a dog racist?

>>15532298
Don't bump the fucking thread. Let it die like the last one, we dont need this shit on a weekly basis. Sage it.

>>15531934
>>15532261
Honey is a robot to explain her superpowers. You're basically asking why Superman is an alien.

If you're complaining the exploration of "what does it mean to be human" is absent, that's because it's not a core theme of the work.

>>15532310
This. And thank fuck for it. We've already got hundreds of works about robot/human angst.

>>15532306
Good point, my mistake

>>15532298
>if your characters aren't relatable, you're usually writing garbage
For example, a story about a robot who unrealistically has no thoughts about her nature as an artificial being? Yeah, that does sound like utter garbage.

>That's not an answer as to why Batman, also a comic, can't be a dog.
Dogs are not people, and thus do not have a substantial character. Additionally, it would miss the point of how Batman is supposed to be the token normal who can handle himself among superbeings. Dogs can't learn martial arts.

>But what about Dex-Starr? He's a talking cat who can fight just fine!
Dex-Starr is equipped with a fucking lantern ring, which makes him smarter.

... Goddamn, comics are so fucking stupid.

>>15532335
If you don't like it, don't bother with it.

>>15532310
Nailed it. Thread over.

>>15532310
Except they occasionally do explore Superman's alien nature!

>it's not a core theme of the work
Then the work has no justifiable reason to exist in the first place.

>>15532314
>celebrating anti-intellectualism
Kill yourself. You are everything wrong with the world.

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>>15532335
hahaha how fucking ignorant about dogs are you

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>>15532352
>Conforming to the exact same thing everyone else does, adhering perfectly to the tired, ancient cliches that have been repeated over and over again for over a century now.

Also why are you expecting intellectual content, proper, mind-developing and point-making intellectual content from an exploitation Japanese kid's comic franchise from the 1970s? And why are you wasting your time attacking it when it should be beneath you?

>>15532352
They don't address why Batman is a human so the work has no justifiable reason to exist in the first place.

>>15532368
autistic people can't just let something be if it rustles their jimmies
or be able to read a dog's emotions

>>15532352
>Doing the same hackneyed 'I'M NOT A REAAAAAAAAAAAL HUUUUUUUMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN' angst thing that has been done to death and has been ongoing since at least the 1810s.

Please. If anything, it's far more intellectual and artistic to strike out against the Frankenstein mold that artificial human stories nearly always find themselves in and push for some optimism.

It's the shitposter that rode over from /a/ because of symphogear. Report and ignore.

>>15532352
>Except they occasionally do explore Superman's alien nature
To about the same extent as Honey's robotic nature is explored.
>Then the work has no justifiable reason to exist in the first place.
Factually wrong.

>>15532381
>implying it's not just xPearse
He's known for shitting up Rayearth and Symphogear threads, too.

>>15532368
My standards are too low for anything to be beneath me. It just bothers me to no end that this franchise never does anything with its core conceit. Like, at this point I'd even take a few Transformers-esque "lolrobots" gags, for fucks sake.

>>15532379
Some cliches become such due to laziness and the human imagination being far more limited than we'd like to think. Others become cliches because they just make sense. If your MC is a non-human entity, then it's in your best interest to explore that a little. Because there's just no point otherwise, you may as well just make them human.

>>15532388
Source please, I would like to be able to tell when it's just xPearse.

>>15532409
Sorry dude this has all been busy a goof and a gaff, all the posts have been me. Actually ALL of Cutie Honey addresses the theme about her being torn about being a robot it's actually the central theme. Sorry for fooling you for so long.

>>15532423
lol like this goober would actually watch something
he's a tvtropes loser who reads synopses because his autism won't let him sit still long enough to enjoy media

>>15532409
But it's core concept is a teenage girl who can be all kinds of people and is super strong.

>>15532409
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCX77Je16fk

The OP tells you everything you need to know about the franchise.

>>15532115
The manga is crap, only the Anno movie is worse.

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>>15532261
>fuck world building
>stories should all take place in the same universe with the same characters
Holy shit you're dumb.

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>re

>>15532118
Sounds like you should try a show not related to Go Nagai if you want character depth over pointless tit shots. Seriously, this is Cutey Honey not Ghost in the Shell. Does porn turn you off if you don't know the actresses motivations, too?

>>15531940
Yeah, it's worth making again to bait in some white knights and women into screeching over superior robutt girls

>>15532953
Kill yourself, xpearse

>make thread to try and find out if franchise has anything of value in it
>not only does it not, but fans actually celebrate that it's a pointless waste of time
How lovely.

>>15532951
Nobody gives a fuck about world building, and in fact, focusing on fleshing out the setting is widely considered filler. The vast majority only care about story.

>>15533132
Go away, xpearse

>>15533132
Worth is relative. Sometimes people just want to eat a shitty Hershey bar even though better alternatives are available to them. Sometimes people just want to watch a brainless show because they find it fun.

It's very obvious you don't find it fun and want more. So go find something more.

>>15533145
>So go find something more.
Yeah, I'll just go right ahead and pull another animated series about a spunky robot super heroine out of my ass and watch that. Because there are just so fucking many. Retard.

>>15532135
>>15532187
You never actually explained how it's important in The Live.

Also, "The Live" is an outrageously awful title. I can't tell if it's engrish or retard.

>>15533304
So waste your time with something you think is shit because there isn't a better version of it?

Ok.

>>15533346
That's life. Sometimes you gotta settle.

Fuck you. The series doesn't have to focus on some sort of artificial existential crisis because Honey is a robot. Her being a robot is plenty important to the story, no story has to pander to your personal desires to justify its popularity or existence. Off yourself.

>>15533365
>"It's perfectly okay for a work to be pointless trash! I like eating shit!"
What the hell happened to having standards? It's like consumers are almost proud of being tasteless retards.

>>15533386
>"It's not what I want it to be, so it's pointless trash!!!!!1"
Get a life, loser.

>>15533386
What if it has a different point than that? Just because it doesn't have the that theme as the point of the series doesn't mean there is none.

>>15533389
Then go ahead and explain the appeal of this show. Go on, why should anyone bother with this crap. And no, the fan service is not a valid answer, since explicit porn is readily available online, rendering fanservice 100% pointless.

Why do you stupid faggots like this tripe?

>>15533416
You could say the same thing about everything.

>>15533416
>The show doesn't adhere to MY SPECIFIC IDEAS of what a robot show should be so it's POINTLESS!

This is like walking into a Chinese restaurant and calling it shit for not serving French gourmet food.

>>15533416
You literally already said it yourself and how you couldn't find much else like it
>animated series about a spunky robot super heroine
I mean, imagine being so colossally stupid that you undermine your own argument in the span of a few posts? This is next level shit.

>>15533416
Fun adventures of Cutie Honey in her defending the Earth with good action, cute slice of life segments, an endearing mc, cool hero stuff, and fun concepts/designs. It's entertaining.

>>15533425
>not answering the question

>>15533401
I really fucking doubt that, but do please elaborate on what that alleged point might be? I can't wait to see what you pull out of your ass.

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>>15533416
>Not seeing the appeal of a light hearted action show with odd designs and a character capable of working in plenty of scenarios.
>2017

>>15533445
It is answering the question.

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>>15533445
It's a stupid question. It's like raging at Patlabor for not being a gritty detective show full of angst and drama; after all, they're all police officers stuck in dead end careers in a department that's pissed on by their superiors and used as a dumping ground. But that'd be stupid because it's not what the show's about. You're not an intellectual, you're a spastic who got an idea into his head and refuses to let it go.

>>15533445
I answered it here >>15533439

The point was to entertain and if you want to extrapolate a theme there's an underlying one that girls can be anything.

>>15533439
>fun
Opinion disregarded. Try again with words that hold actual meaning.

>>15533446
>lighthearted action cartoon
Pokemon is a lighthearted action cartoon too. Being a lighthearted action cartoon means jack shit.

>character that can work in many scenarios
Yeah, like fighting Panther Claw, or fighting Panther Claw, and especially fighting Panther Claw!

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I really wish your mother had a subplot where she realized her child was an autistic moron and strangled him in the crib, OP. That might elevate your life above the pointless drek that it is.

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>>15533478
>Ignoring the multitude of different schemes, plans, different objectives Panther Claw tries to accomplish, the different villains needing to be fought and defeated etc.

How stupid do you have to be? Do you go to the National Portrait Gallery and say it's all just paint on canvas?

How about you tell us what we should be watching?

>>15533478
>Opinion disregarded. Try again with words that hold actual meaning.
Alright replace the word with entertaining. Because that was the point, to entertain.

>>15533492
No, don't play by the stunted idiot's rules. He doesn't get to define your subjective standards with his. He has no authority and indeed is showing himself to be mentally deficient.

>>15533495
I'm not, he pointed to one word I changed it to a different one that still applies the same meaning and isn't as overused. I want to see what bait mental gymnastics he pulls to not address the rest of my points.

>>15533500
It's hilarious because he's come into a thread, demanded that a work conform to his demands without at all having any consideration for the creator's intention or their aims with the work, then squealed about being an intellectual because he wants a rehash of something that has been done far better in other formats. He then proceeds to call the work rubbish despite the fact that it's only flaw I can see is that it doesn't meet his subjective, arbitrary standards, with which we could actually dismiss almost everything this board covers.

>>15533476
>>15533492
That is such a non-answer. The point of all stories is to entertain, you fucking retard. Unfortunately, a good chunk of stories are content with showing little more than episodic faffing about. That's not entertaining, it's insulting.

>>15533491
It's all functionally the same shit every time. Panther Claw comes up with a scheme, Honey stops it with her faggoty fetish gear. Rinse and repeat.

>>15533520
Sherlock Holmes is faced with a mystery. He solves it with his intellect. Rise and repeat.

>>15533520
That's not a critique. The same criticism could be applied to any serial piece of work. Again, you're showing yourself to be a dullard.

>>15533520
>That is such a non-answer. The point of all stories is to entertain, you fucking retard. Unfortunately, a good chunk of stories are content with showing little more than episodic faffing about. That's not entertaining, it's insulting.
Why do sitcoms exist?

>>15533520
>Villain has a scheme, hero defeats it, repeat.

So basically just like thousands of serialized hero stories that are a variation of that same thing.

>>15533522
>Sherlock Holmes
>good
Yeah, you just go ahead and let pop culture keep lying to you.

>>15533528
How is "This is repetitive and thus boring." not a critique?

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>>15533520
>Still unable to grasp what 'subjective taste' means and demands all adhere to his own standards.

I'm watching the show right now and enjoying it. The design's wonderful, the comedy is cute and playful and the action is good. The plot of this episode set up an interesting premise and a new villain to fight with their own gimmick.

You'd complain at Shakespeare, or Chesterton, Bronte or Thackery.

>>15533539
>Let pop culture keep lying to you.

What pop culture? I've never seen a single film, television show, or anything else adapted from the books. Have you read Conan Doyle's work? The works became popular and they persist in popularity because they're (by and large, there are some clunkers) well written, engaging pieces that, yes, establish a premise and a formula, but play around by placing these characters in different situations and presenting them with different problems.

>>15533539
Because first it's subjective as you're focusing on the abstract instead of the details. Second, you're not placing the work in it's context. Third, you're expecting something from the series that you're simply not going to get and this infuriates you for some reason, despite the fact it was never offering it to you in the first place.

>>15531949
It's never easy talking to someone who has autism. Lot of patience is required.

>>15533416
>Why do you stupid faggots like this tripe?

Nobody needs to justify anything to you. This may shock you but not everyone is a needy child looking for validation from the Internet.

>>15533550
>well written
>engaging
Yeah, cause it's just so thrilling to read about a douchebag coke addict who unrealistically knows everything about everything. How fucking riveting.

>>15533555
What infuriates me is that the work doesn't have anything to offer whatsoever. There's absolutely nothing of substance. I want to know why people like this soulless trash, but they just keep giving me incredibly vague non-answers that only make sense to someone with severe brain damage.

>>15533591
Again, you're abstracting it down to nothing. You've probably never read a Sherlock Holmes story in your life.

Please, tell us what has substance, so we can watch something better and improve ourselves to be like you.

>>15533591
If it wasn't thrilling, why the fuck did it become popular enough to be relevant in the cultural fabric of western storytelling enough to get several movies and tv shows over a hundred years after they were written?

Surely if they were tasteless boring trash, they wouldn't been forgotten?

Or maybe you're just an autist with shit taste. Or baiting. I'm betting on the latter at this point. Please don't troll /m/, the board is slow and people aren't used to being baited like this, here.

>>15533591
>Sherlock Holmes is about a drug addict.
>The Tempest is about a guy whining about how he's old.
>War and Peace is about nobles fucking up in Russia.
>The Man Who Was Thursday is about a poet who likes God too much.

I read something good. What do you recommend?

>>15533591
A book doesn't have to be well-written to be engaging or thrilling. It just has to appeal to a person's interests and desires. Which is what most pop fiction does. Harry Potter, Twilight, even 50 Shades of Gray.

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holy fucking shit this thread

>>15533596
And again, you are avoiding the question.

Why do you like Cutie Honey even though it has nothing of substance to offer?

>>15533603
>If it wasn't thrilling, why the fuck did it become popular enough to be relevant in the cultural fabric of western storytelling enough to get several movies and tv shows over a hundred years after they were written?
Because it's public domain.

>>15533625
It does have substance, you just refuse to acknowledge the substance when people tell you to your face. Now tell me what you would recommend instead.

Also a lot of work is public domain. There are libraries full of shitty pulp novels that are public domain.

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>>15533625
And again, you are avoiding the question of what shows you like that you feel have some form of substance worth investing in

>>15533625
Oh, so every public domain work is stunningly popular to this day? Every single one?

The fact that Sherlock Holmes manages to be dramatically more popular and successful than other public domain novels from the same time has nothing at all to do with the quality of the work?

OK.

>>15533644
And you can't even use the whole 'It was just popular later because pop culture' excuse because even at the time before moving film had even been invented, Doyle's works were insanely popular, despite there being no shortage of pulpy novels written at the time.

>>15533625
The substance is that it's entertaining. If you don't acknowledge that as substance, then that's subjective. No one's expecting life changing transcendent experiences from Cutey Honey and you're an idiot if you do.

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>>15533644
Boy, I can't wait for the new Bruce Hunter film.

>>15533625

Nobody here gives a shit about changing your opinion on Cutey Honey if that isn't clear by now.

>>15533664
This. What kind of autist gets mad at people enjoying a 70s kid show?

>>15533637
I can't acknowledge what isn't there. Honey is not endearing, she's an attention seeking retard. The plot is mind-numbingly simple and formulaic as hell. Shit, it's not even nice to look at with Nagai's incredibly generic art style.

This is such a nothing show.

>>15533639
That is completely irrelevant to this discussion. Also,
>rec-fagging
Kill yourself.

>>15533644
Of course not. Holmes just happened to be popular in its day, and people of today mistake that for quality. It's old, so that means it's good, right?

>>15533658
Maybe Sony will try and make a cinematic universe.

>>15533670
When you're autistic, subjective means objective~ and if people disagree? Why then I REEEEEE!

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>>15533670
It's completely relevant to this discussion because you are judging peoples tastes and why they like X while disclosing your own tastes and why you like Y

>>15533670
If it wasn't actually good, it wouldn't have maintained popularity. Old things that aren't good are forgotten. That's how it works.

>>15533680
*not disclosing

>>15533670
No, it's good, so that means it's good. There is a ton of utterly dire pulp out there and you don't have to search hard for it. I actually started reading Sherlock Holmes believing it to be worthless schlock but willing to give it a fair shot while at a hostel on a hiking trip. I recommend you read some.

>>15533670
You could just say "Muh tastes=objective fact". You'd save less energy and use less bandwith.

>>15533680
This. No frame of reference means your opinion is worthless.

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Let's just have a Cutey Honey thread and ignore the autistic retard.

>>15533670
But there were a ton of stories and characters who were popular in the 1880s, 1890s, 1900s, etc that didn't endure.

>>15533670
>Honey is not endearing, she's an attention seeking retard.
How would you know if you have admitted you haven't watched the series in this thread? You're mixing up your lies.

>>15533705
She chooses to dress like that. She's definitely an attention seeker. Most likely a ho too.

>>15533680
Retard, this isn't about me. It's about you, and why you like Cutie Honey despite how crap it is.
>main character is an unlikeable idiot
>formulaic and repetitive
>bland aesthetic
>lack of intellectual stimulation
What's the appeal here?

>>15533738
It is about you because those are your subjective opinions and you haven't justified them.

>>15533738
>Most likely a ho
Just cause she kawaru yo
it don't make her a ho no
Honey put your red hair on we're going to the disco

>>15533740
>justified them
The show is shallow garbage. I don't need to justify a goddamned thing.

You're the one who ought to justify your love for pointless trash.

>>15533763
So you refuse to back up your unsubstantiated opinon? If you assert something, you have to prove it, not demand that the other person must disprove it.

You never did well in school, did you?

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>>15533763
You're on a board about discussing toy commercials, 95% of the shit we watch here is shallow garbage and we've all come to accept that.

>>15533763
Let's say I agree. Then what? What do I watch that you'd approve?

>>15533738

Nobody is bothering to give you reasons because you don't actually care and if you can't see any possible redeeming qualities whether they're ones you subjectively value or not, then that's on you. Nothing anyone says is going to change your mind.

As has already been stated nobody needs to justify their opinions to you. No one needs or wants your validation. You don't matter.

>>15533774
This. It's just fun to mess with him. I'm literally watching Cutey Honey right now and just posting when the credits come on.

>>15533763
You see, she's a Cutie and a Honey.

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>>15533801
the purest kino

Did this philistine bastard actually start insulting Sherlock Holmes? What scum.

>>15533763
You haven't answered why you had the same thread twice. You're an autistic retard who can't deal with other people's opinions.

Literally clawshrimpy.

Okay
I'm going to say this
I've never said it before but I'm going to say it now

OP IS A FAGGOT

So /m/, if you had creative control over a Cutie Honey series, how would you go about exploring Honey's robotic nature?

>>15534620
I wouldn't

>>15534620
>So /m/, if you had creative control over a Cutie Honey series, how would you go about exploring Honey's robotic nature?
Sexually.

>>15534624
Why not?

>>15534639
Don't see the need

>>15534644
>"Don't see the need to make the story in any way interesting."
Riiiight.

>>15534655
I think it's interesting as it is, just a different kind. It's called opinions, my friend.

>>15534655
>IF YOU DON'T DO THIS SPECIFIC THING
>THEN I WILL DEEM THAT YOUR STORY IS NOT INTERESTING
>IT HAS TO DO WHAT I SAY
>OR IT'S SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
Go throw a temper tantrum somewhere else.

>>15534620
If I really had to, make it so that Honey stays looking like she's in her 20s while everyone around her ages normally. It's stupid forced drama, but exploring Honey's robotic nature is stupid as well.

>>15534656
>superhero fights super villains with nothing else to it
>interesting
That's not an opinion, that's just flat out incorrect.

>>15534664
At this point, I would think /m/ would be tired of board relevant works that have no narrative reason to have robots in them. Guess you're all just okay with your interest being completely superfluous.

>>15534679
>That's not an opinion, that's just flat out incorrect
I think your opinion is stupid but you don't see me throwing a tantrum. You act as if the robot human struggle is anything unique either, it's pretty played out and would focus on melodrama. I'll stick to the entertaining and endearing adventures of Cutie Honey, thanks.

>>15532069
I would watch a show about a giant cyborg squid regardless of the level of existentialism

>>15534679
Was it worth it? Was it worth acting like a retard just so everyone could absorb your shitty opinion?

>>15534684
The existential struggle of artificial beings may be cliche, but it's the only reason to write stories about them.

>>15534690
You're only saying that out of spite. The fuck would she even do? Go shopping? Riveting.

>>15534700
>Go shopping?
a giant cyborg squid could carry a lot of clothes and trying on a bunch of outfits would be funny and darling

>>15534700
>The existential struggle of artificial beings may be cliche, but it's the only reason to write stories about them.
That's an extremely limited scope. What about humor, entertainment, intrigue, and excitement? You can do anything with writing, what matters is execution.

Confining stories about robots to just existentialism stops potentially interesting ideas from being brought to light. Cutie Honey for example created female transformation sequences, more or less created the magical girl genre, and also was the one of if not the first shounen series to center around a female protagonist. It did plenty of interesting and new things with the medium.

>>15534704
I was joking, you stupid cunt.

>>15534711
>What about humor, entertainment, intrigue, and excitement?
None of which matters if you lack a central theme to explore. Having any of that shit without having a point is just an insult to your audience. Cutie Honey has no central theme, and that's why it's shit.

>>15534700
No spite here anon, I legitimately what to see more series with no-humanoid protagonists, and giant cyborg squids have (quite literally) a lot of flexibility when it comes to what they can do in a narrative

>>15534719
Anime does not require central themes and this alone is one of the primary advantages it has as a medium. The problem you seem to be obsessed with is telling some kind of meaningful story, so I can't tell if you've been infected by Western ideals from /lit/ or from /tv/ so I'll just tell you to fuck off back to both of them.

>>15534719
>None of which matters if you lack a central theme to explore. Having any of that shit without having a point is just an insult to your audience. Cutie Honey has no central theme, and that's why it's shit.
So does the entire action genre have no point to it? The point is to entertain and regale the audience in stories about the incredible feats of the characters. Execution matters just as much as subtext, and making something audiences can become interested in is a feat itself.

Also there is a theme in Cutie Honey: girls can do and be anything. It's a simple, positive message but it's aimed at a young audience so you don't need to question life itself with your theme.

Why do people care so much about Cutie Honey? It's trashy, but entertaining. It doesn't need depth and people who want that don't understand it.

As that anon last thread put it. A big titted red-head that transforms into sexy outfits using the robot thing only as a means to do so.

>>15533697
>720x480
Triggered.

Someone kill this fucking retard. Literally a waste of resources.

>>15534728
>"It's okay for a story to be pointless!"
When did anti-intellectualism become something to celebrate? And if anime's primary advantage is pointlessness, then Japan needs another two nukings so they'll learn that this shit is not okay.

>>15534733
>So does the entire action genre have no point to it?
Yep.

>>15534759
>>So does the entire action genre have no point to it?
>Yep
Stop the presses, guess we are going to tell all of human history they are wrong. It's a shame if you believe what you are saying, because that means you don't actually understand the merits of writing in the slightest if you think a theme is all that matters.

>>15534719
>I was joking, you stupid cunt.
you just don't think outside the box enough to put together a funny montage of a cyborg squid going dress shopping

>>15534780
The entirety of human history has indicated that art is only considered art if it has a theme. Unless your story has a point to make, it's trash. That's just how the world works, so deal with it.

>>15534791
Dumbass, nobody even makes clothes for giant cyborg squids. She wouldn't even be able to wear those outfits. The joke is fucking dead in the cradle, you mentally deficient piece of shit.

>>15534818
>The entirety of human history has indicated that art is only considered art if it has a theme.
[citation needed]

>>15534818
>World has giant cyborg squids
>Clothes being made for said giant cyborg squids is too far fetched

>>15534827
Reminds of this one autistic guy that went to my school who got so angry watching Harry Potter, like legitimate red in the face with frustration, he yelled at the screen in the theatre. What angered him was "Brooms can't fucking fly!"

>>15532352
>anti-intellectualism
Haha holy shit you really are the same faggot from the other thread

next Macross needs a giant cyborg squid girl for the lead idol and she can wear different pretty dresses each episode

>>15534841
He very clearly is and I imagine he's acting this dumb on purpose.

You know he's going to make the same thread next week, too. What's strange is to pick on Cutie Honey, something nobody is particularly fanatic about here.

>>15534827
Excuse me, when the fuck was there a plural in this equation? Why the fuck would there be multiple giant cyborg squids? Hell, why would there be one in the first place?

See, this is a fucked stupid idea, and I was just using it as a random example, you idiot. Knock this shit off.

>>15534825
>"I never go outside or talk to other people."
Fucking hell, you're ignorant.

>>15534818
You're completely wrong. For most of human history art was a way to show off weath and entertainment, plus religious exaltation. And today, you're wrong as well as postmodernism has rendered everything art.

>>15534846
>Excuse me, when the fuck was there a plural in this equation? Why the fuck would there be multiple giant cyborg squids? Hell, why would there be one in the first place?
If you could make one kawaii giant cyborg squid why not more?
Like a Morning Musume but all cute giant cyborg squids in frilly skirts

>>15534846
No, you're ignorant of art history.

>>15532409
>My standards are too low for anything to be beneath me. It just bothers me to no end that this franchise never does anything with its core conceit.
This arguement is some Chris-chan-tier shit. Are you literally autistic?

>>15534846
>Fucking hell, you're ignorant.
You're right, so I'll need a citation to cure my ignorance.

>>15533386
You said earlier your own standards were low... Nice goalpost moving.

>>15534846
I mean, even if you only made one giant cyborg squid, you'd need to give it something to wear. Especially if she can move around in both water and on land. She can't be going around town in a soaking wet dive suit

>>15534848
>postmodernism has rendered everything art.
And that is why postmodernism is cancer. Real art needs a point, otherwise it's unhealthy junk food.

>>15534850
NOBODY WANTS TO WATCH A SHOW ABOUT A GIANT CYBORG SQUID. SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY.

>>15534898
>NOBODY WANTS TO WATCH A SHOW ABOUT A GIANT CYBORG SQUID.
You should open up to the possibilities of exploring the core themes of realizing her femininity while coping with the day-to-day challenges of being a giant cyborg squid

>>15534908
Agreed, the premise has a lot of potential to expand the scope of contemporary transhumanist sci-fi.
>>15534898
Anon, I think you're just using your narrow taste in narrative hide your close mindedness about the full spectrum of story telling. If this thread is any indication people really do want to watch a show about a Giant Cyborg Squid. You should be proud that you sparked our imaginations

>>15534954
I want to watch the adventures of Cyber Sentry Cephalopod.

>>15534954
Just imagine the episode where she gets to know someone in an online game but is uncomfortable with letting them know she's a giant squid cyborg. The pathos!

>>15534967
even worse we she find out it's really somebody she knows from her part-time job at the mall! and it's that cute guy!!!

>>15534845
>What's strange is to pick on Cutie Honey,
Is it? Cutie Honey and its ilk represent a degradation of both art and of consumer standards. It's a classic example of how sex sells because the average viewer doesn't demand a higher quality product. There's nothing of value to this franchise, and yet here it is, around forty years later, when better products have gone forgotten. It's a frankly offensive injustice.

>>15534735
>Why do people care so much about Cutie Honey?
That's what I'd like to know.

Fuck taunting the autist, this thread is about the cyborg squid concept. I propose we set it on a colony world mostly composed of water which was settled by uplifted giant squids and human.

>>15534978
>Better products

Like Cyber Squid Girl?

>>15534733
>Also there is a theme in Cutie Honey: girls can do and be anything.
Hold the fuck up. You can't have that kind of message when your protagonist is a robot designed to do whatever the script requires. That completely undermines the entire idea. "Girls can do anything! ... So long as they're a robot."?

>>15534898
I want to watch a show about a giant cyborg squid. It sounds pretty funny.

>>15535020
why don't you want to encourage girls to become robots

>>15535029
Has Godzilla or Gamera ever fought a giant Robot squid?

>>15534836
Amazing.

Hello ACK.

>>15535043
Good point, increasing girls interest in becoming robots instead of princesses or some other gay shit is a great way to promote equality in STEM

>>15534898
>NOBODY WANTS TO WATCH A SHOW ABOUT A GIANT CYBORG SQUID. SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY.
I would. Why do you hate fun? That's like saying nobody wants to watch a show about a maid dragon.

>>15534979
>The colony is Big Blue where F-Zero races are held.
>Our protagonist is a distant ancestor of Callie and Marie

>>15534979
>Cyber Squid-chan has been developed and trained for deep water rescue and exploration on one of Jupiter's moons
>Her scientist "father" is an MS otaku, but only for aquatic suits like the Zock and Gogg
>When she's not on duty she's sneaking around the colony's population center trying to be a Tokusatsu style super hero with special moves like TORPEDO PUNCH and INKU BEAM
>People usually just mistake her for a monster
>Suddenly spooky shit starts coming out of the space Marian Trench
>The people need a hero, and they're getting one

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Did anyone watch Cutie Honey Tears? I did. Cutie cries a lot in this one.

Too bad no subs for now.

>>15534979
>>15535142
>>15535144
>putting thought into this retarded concept
Please kill yourselves.

>>15535104
>fun
You especially go straight to hell, you cancerous faggot.

>>15535144
>Her toku schtick isnt exactly successful but kids look up to her as "Ikamen Shoujo"
>Parents grow concerned though

>>15535229
She's still pretty much the best defence the colony has against the mysterious attackers though.

>>15535237
She is. It generates a whole debate if fear against the non-human, hypocricy of adulthood...
But none of that really matters to her. She has to save her sort-of boyfriend from the alien terrorist group and THE PROM IS TOMORROW.

>>15535216
If fun is cancer I don't want chemo, The Cyber Squid train has no brakes!
>The tips of her mechanical tentacles can be swapped out for different tools, gadgets, and weapons

>>15535258
>Her civilian form is humanoid akin to an inkling. She becomes giant cyber squid when the battle escalates. Her arch-enemy, space alien queen, finds fighting Cyber Squid Girl in that form rather kinky.

>>15535269
She's mortified, especially as towards the end of the series when the kids start making fan goods of her and she catches the space alien queen in her own humanoid form covered in merchandise of her.

>>15535275
Not only that, space alien queen goes absolutely yandere and launches a full scale attack JUST to kill Cyber Squid Girl's now-boyfriend.

>>15535277
I think he should still think of CSG as a good friend and be confused while SAQ starts trying to kill them as they walk out of an ice cream parlour, with him trying to save his ice cream.

>>15535269
>She is totally unaware of any lewd connotations to her grappling based fighting style

>>15535282
No, but this'd be the end of the series, when they finally tie the knott after the prom. Youre describing early to midseries

>Whenever someone mistakenly calls her and octopus she launches into a little educational lecture about the differences between the two species
>She doesn't take it as an insult, she legitimately want's to educate people about marine biology

>>15535104
>love monster girls especially dragons
>love maids
>KyoAni makes a show that checks both boxes but it's diet yuri and /ss/ pandering

I feel like I met a dick gennie or made a monkey paw wish at some point.

>>15535337
Hey hey what if SAQ makes her own cyber octopus giant body for the final fight?

>>15535353
that sounds perfect

>>15535366
Shit, I'm a rookie drawfag and I want to draw CSG but I'm not home at the moment.

You're still on about this. Really?

Excuse me, but this is supposed to be a Cutie Honey thread. If we could get back on topic, that'd be great.

>>15535400
If they do, Mr. Asimov in the thread will still continue to sperg about Honey offending his sensibilities. Besides, Tears isn't subbed, so that can't really be talked about.

>she desperately wants to be girlie, but is tomboyish

>>15535388
Do it bro! I don't think this thread's going anywhere
>>15535400
I don't know what you talking about anon, this is Cyber Squid General now.

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>>15535351
>/ss/ pandering
Right at home for /m/

>>15535282
With all her tentacles she could try to juggle the individual ice cream scoops and the cone and block all the stuff falling from the sky

>>15535412
>she needs to keep her cut hair short so it doesn't get in her face when she's swimming
>she constantly has floofly helmet hair from her Rider Mask

>>15535417
That said, I'm not a particularily good (or skilled) drawfag, but I'll give it my best shot.

>>15535465
As long as it isn't deviant art MS paint tier you should be good. After all when this thread dies we'll need an OP image for the next CSG general

>>15535489
>As long as it isn't deviant art MS paint tier you should be good.
I hope Paint Tool SAI and Photoshop are acceptable then. I'm going home to draw now.

>>15535493
God speed Drawfriend

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>>15535510
Let's celebrate the Arms and Splatoon Direct with CSG in casual gear when not saving the day. The red wristwatch would be her transformation article like Viewtiful Joe. And the overall looks because anon did mention she would be a tomboy who wants to be girly, but doesn't exactly go well.
I'm very sorry I can only draw /co/-tier shit, I'm very ashamed of how this came out...

>>15535667
It's a start. I'll start a new thread were we can brain storm more ideas. Personally I was thinking something more squid-like and more obviously cybernetic, but this can be a good base for her civilian mode

>>15535690
I was thinking, civilian mode would be something more... subtle but still squid-themed? And obviously the notKamen Rider would be further cybernetic. And then giant cyber squid is holy shit full-on /m/ giant robo

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>>15535196
Who really cares about these shitty live action attempts? It shouldn't stray out of the manga medium because even the anime don't do the manga justice.

>>15535667
Needs more giant, robot, and squid

New thread >>15536003

>>15532115
>>To salvage this thread, is there any recommended order to getting into Cutie Honey?
First anime. Best introduction, full stop-
Shin Cutey Honey, sequel to the anime
first Manga

Then you can go on Cutie Honey '91 and Tenjo Densetsu(both manga sequels of the original manga)

everything else is optional and of arguable quality


>>15532184
IIRC in the sequel manga once in a while she's sad she has seen her friends die, even of old age, while she's basically immortal... but it was, like, a few pages over many volumes.

>>15534733
>>Also there is a theme in Cutie Honey: girls can do and be anything.
not really- if anything, it's "women can be monsters"

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>>15534678
>make it so that Honey stays looking like she's in her 20s while everyone around her ages normally.
Isn't that what they did in Shin, that takes place 100 years after the original and she still looks in her early 20s.

>>15536226
it happened first in Cutie Honey '91, and then again in CH Tenjo Densetsu: the Hayami family kept getting older while she remained 20-or-so

What I really don't get is why this series attracts so many defenders. You all admit, even embrace that it's shallow crap. Are you all so brainwashed by tits that you must automatically white knight for a character deliberately designed to have no depth? That's kind of sad, honestly.

>>15536229
And it was mentioned on Anno's Cutie Honey that Honey will end alone because everyone around her will die so she will end consumed by despair and becoming into a monster like Sister Jill

>>15536478
what color do you want the squid's ribbon to be?

>>15536531
Electric blue or get out

>>15536546
Some guys at the other thread said blue because that the ocean's color.

Why does /m/ attract so many autists? Clawshrimpy, the Leiji and Matsumoto posters, now this guy.

>>15537067
people who hate go nagai related works tend to be autistic

we have clawshrimpy, the italian spic, and finally this honey autist.

>>15536522
Yeah, Anno didn't get Honey at all.

>>15537324
You forgot wasim