Just finished marathoning this shit. Lifetime gundam fan, watched

>>15509035
We already have five threads for this garbage show up, take your blog somewhere else.

>>15509035
It was horrible and really was the worst entry in the franchise

>>15509035
Oh and don't even get me started on that railgun shit. That plot device was so shit I can't even comprehend why they thought it was ok to make it the linchpin of the final act. Everything revolves around that development, and it fucks up the entire series.

>end to season 1 is great

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>>15509053
it was shit! SHIT!

It's a shame. All the rare ingredients are there, setting, characters, mech design, lots of set ups for interesting plot threads. It just devolves into a hit though. They messed up all the easy parts and got the difficult ones right.

>>15509035
I don't mind that everyone dies, it's that everyone dies following that dead retard orga's final orders. Mika threatens kill anyone on their side who wants to turn back because it goes against them and everyones yelling like a maniac about following those orders throughout the battle. Mika in his last moments admitting that everything theyd done was purposeless and that he himself never had any purpose was just confirmation that watching this shit was a waste of time.

>>15509086
The only thing they really got right were the occasional mech design and the initial premise.
The setting had potential but they did nothing with it. Same with the characters

>>15509035
>It's another "IBO sucks" thread
If it makes you feel any better, I agree with your views for the most part.

>>mcgillis was that guys buttboy, why did this have to be in there
They wanted the character to start off at the lowest possible rung of the social ladder and then graduating to become among the most elite of the aristocracy. Being adopted by one of those oligarchs is one way to inherit a high status without being born within it. Iznario's fetish for young twinks gives him a motivation for wanting to adopt shota-McGillis.

>>why did that loli have to be in at all? every scene could be removed and it wouldn't change anything
Unconventional romantic relationships is one of the main themes of the show. The one with McGillis and Almiria advocates pedophilia with underage girls. Naze has his own harem in which he fathers many children. Similarly Mikazuki was in a 3-way with Kudelia and Atra which became just the latter two at the end. Homosexuality was further explored with that twink wanting to ride Chad Thundercock's dick. Even the interracial ship between the young assistant lady was revealed to be a coal burner with the older black guy was unexpected.

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>>15509035
>>first season starts great
>generic escort political princess plot setup
Stopped reading there

>>15509035
>At like episode 42 I realized exactly what was going to happen, and the rest felt like a huge boring slog of just seeing them ruin all the potential.

Which was going to happen McGillis plan was "get Bael, figure out the rest later thereby setting up everyone to lose" or that everyone was going to die end?

I don't think either of those was predictable until the episode where they're on Mars and Mcgillis has a sexy jacket, which is 3 episodes from the end. I don't think anyone predicted that we saw the story from the losing side.

>>15509716
Back then everyone was wondering how Arianhod gonna be a threat when McGillis side had 4 Gundams while Rustal only had Gaelio.

Pretty funny in hindsight.

>>15509038
Woah, calm down, you neet. It's a mecha board.
It happens every day that someone join late and wants to talk about it. Now fuck off.

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>>15509035
IBO can be summed up in:

Great mecha design.
Mediocre show.

It's full of quality for a Gundam show, but the main problem is the story that seems fitting more an OVA... For me, it was as if the "true Gundam" was somewhere else and IBO was a secondary spin off set in the same universe.
The young soldiers and the general context were interesting, and Barbatos was quite cool.

First form, Lupus and Vidar were top tier design.
Baal was a bit vanilla, but good too.

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I thought the end to IBO was pretty great. I reckoned for sure that they'd pull some bullshit to allow Tekkadan to win but they really trounced my expectations.

>>15509737
If they did they it would be even more shit for trying to pass itself as gritty realism. Tekkadan in S1 survived bullshit that would destroy them constantly with great ease and if that also happened in S2 it would further cement it as shit.
Kinda wish it did but Rustal slaughtering Tekkadan was worth it.

>>15509737
? How can you even bring up the topic of ass pulls after that railgun shit

>>15509035
It really was the worst entry in the franchise and a stain on Gundam's magnificent legacy

>>15509723
damn, you couldn't sound more like a redditor if you tried

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My favorite part was when /m/ wanted Julieta dead, several times and yet she persisted even out living meme characters like Iok.

>>15510700
Because Jilieta is Okada Self-Insert

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>>15510713

Proofs? Is Okada a blonde teenage ace pilot?

>>15510700
or when /m/ claims how much plot armor she had when the only real achievement she had was to not die in one hit like every other no name grunt and throwing something at a glorified turret that's about to blast her mothership.
>first battle fighting pirates, really didn't do much
>gets rekt by amida despite having shiny new prototype
>can only stall barbatos, gets shredded throughtout the match and eats a face full of mace while not putting a scratch on barbatos
>next fight with barbatos is still stalling, except this time mika is already dying
>behead a disabled unit in a symbolic manner to declare the battle is finished
>REEEEEEE PLOT ARMOR ASSPULL

>>15509097
>Mika in his last moments admitting that everything theyd done was purposeless
Pretty much this. Tekkadan had no reason to be involved in Season 2, they'd already achieved their goal at the end of Season 1 and Mika pretty much admits this in the last episode. I feel like they pretty much forced Tekkaden into the plot of Season 2. They didn't need to be involved and it didn't seem like the natural course of events in how they got involved, just forced

>>15509212
>Unconventional romantic relationships is one of the main themes
Why is this a theme? They never really fully explored this anyway, it just seemed like something they added in to pad time and occasionally shock the audience

>>15509035
What a shit show that sucked ass, I propose nicknaming it Felcher Gundam.

>>15510772
Better than Iron Blooded Ovaries or Iron Menstruation, plus felcher is rarely used.

>>15510732
>gets rekt by amida despite having shiny new prototype
>>can only stall barbatos, gets shredded throughtout the match and eats a face full of mace while not putting a scratch on barbatos
If she can get rekt by amida in a worse suit, who isn't even trying to focus on her but get to Iok's ship, then she should've died to Mika in his fully upgraded Barbatos with A/V who was focusing on her. Even worse is that he lets her get away when that's completely out of character for him

>>15510732
Her character fucking sucks dude. Tekkeden members are dropping left and right and her and Iok are invincible idiots.

>>15511550
It was extremely fulfilling to see Akihiro get one last Limit Break on hearing Iok's name. I hated that Iok survived that long, and didn't like knowing that Akihiro and Mikazuki were built up so much that basically the only way their story could possibly end was with their death, but the fact that Akihiro went out giving Iok the FLYING BUTTPLIERS helped a lot.

>>15511550
>Her character fucking sucks dude
agree
>Tekkeden members are dropping left and right and her and Iok are invincible idiots
Tekkadan members were also going full retard gambling with their lives trying to "go to that place", Iok died because he's an idiot like you said and this time his time has ran out. Julieta is just there not doing much.

Seriously, the writing is garbage, Iok is revenge bait, most of Tekkadan are written to be retarded miniacs, Julieta, for a supposed "stoic enemy ACE pilot girl", her only achievement is not being dead and pushed the plot ONCE, every other time she might as well not show up because she does nothing of importance, by shitting on her mad hard for how good she was, /m/ is actually giving her the credit she didn't deserve

>>15511587
Yeah its like the only good scene in that entire block from the of the mobile armor arc to the ending.

Its irredeemable. I can't even enjoy the gunpla, all I think about is this pic in the OP and I get triggered.

The show should have focused more on Macky and Gaelio desu. More interesting story than Tekkadan.

I liked IBO, overall a 7/10, nothing amazing, but far from being the awful shit that some people want to make it look like.

Personally I didn't have any issue with the Colony arc. Yeah it drags a bit at the end but never felt like the boring mess that made people drop the whole thing. I found the Brewers' arc far worse, and truly shows the worst aspects that people keep complaining about (forced drama, pointless flashbacks, awful foreshadowing).

Regarding the 2nd season I think it was better structured and had a lot of high points. The earth branch wild ride drags a little bit, but I think is mostly because the unbearable homosexual innuendo between Tak&Aston rather than the narrative itself.

The last arc, however, I admit that ended up making me feel like "man, this should have ended 5 eps ago", and although I liked the ending I think it renders the struggle of the charactersthat you were watching 5 minutes ago pointless, because almost everything worked in Choco/Tekkadan favor. Hell I don't want you to end it in an edgy way but that felt like a "happily ever after" cartoon movie ending after all, which even the mental gymnastics the show tries to pull at the end can't savage if you try to rationalize it a bit.

>>15512545
ANN go away, it does not deserve a score that high ever

>>15509035
I'd give the show 9/10 for killing that annoying dog Mika.

>>15509035
one of the worst gundam series out there
hopefully, it will be forgotten like the failure it is along Age at least

>>15509035
i agree with most of what you said


although i don't understand why do you think
that the MA arc was great
care to explain?

>>15512831
It wasn't really that great desu. It was the last time the show tried

>>15509035
Its a divisive show, the only consensus is that season 1 could have cut out half its episodes.

Personally I liked season 2 a lot outside of the first few episodes and thought the first season was weak outside of the first few episodes and the Dort colony arc. I thought the war on earth arc with Takaki was the best at pulling off what the show was trying to be in regards to child soldiers and that McGillis really carries the rest of the show after that.

>>15510700
Julieta was a very important character for the themes of the series. She had the roll of being the counterpoint to Mika and McGillis. Where they represent thosese wronged by the world and its system she represents those it has helped.

>>15512958
She doesn't even have a character. She's just there to facilitate gundam jobbing.

>>15512958
>Where they represent thosese wronged by the world and its system she represents those it has helped.
By becoming an absolute phony being an expy of the corruption?

>>15512958
>Julietta
Please the purple haired loli had more of a presence than her.

>>15509035
>worst ending of any gundam series, and I don't say that lightly
I guess you prefer flawless victory.

>mcgillis was that guys buttboy, why did this have to be in there
Post Disaster is such a shithole of a setting that the supposed glorious magnificent bastard from season 1 turns out to be nothing more but overly confident manchild and a former child prostitute.
Best take on Char since the original, acknowledges that Char himself was nothing more but an overly glorified fuck up.

>why did that loli have to be in at all? every scene could be removed and it wouldn't change anything
She should have her portion in epilogue, but her role was adding more characterization to McGillis and spicing up his conflict with Galileo. Also, she caused McGillis injury, what handicapped him.
Anyway, likes of her we call this minor characters.

>>15510674
Hardly an asspull. The Dainsleifs were well established throughout S2.

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>>15515969
>Best take on Char since the original,

>>15509755
>If they did they it would be even more shit for trying to pass itself as gritty realism.
The end result is anything but gritty realism at all in fact its mostly just a joke in itself

>>15515980
Nope it was as an asspull especially since it was a "get out of jail free" card

>>15512940
>divisive
More like people are mostly indifferent about it other than the MUH REALISM fags and deranged fujoshi

>>15515983
Almost all of them were missing the point in one way or another. Rau took all the plotting and mad plans, but dropped positive traits giving us a cartoon villain. Zechs took all the positive traits, but dropped negative traits giving us shining knight that just had some misguided period without his show ever acknowledging the severity of his actions. Others were just rivals with a mask.The only good ones (Harry, pretty much) just were giving us Quattro instead.

Anyway, McGillis was able to strike that balance of having positive traits (genuine respect to Tekkadan and, as far he could, actually caring about his loli wife) and negative traits (fucked up manchild), and also being smart but still capable to wrecking his plans by not thinking them through.

>>15515995
>simple railgun in SF war setting
>asspull

And this is the peak IBO haters retardation.

>>15516013
It really isn't. Compared to everything else in the series Dainsleifs are nearly comically underwhelming and overpowered.

>>15516022
That's what happens when you have something that breaks the cardinal rule of "artillery doesn't exist".

Besides, /m/ for years was complaining we were getting just another same giant space lezors or colony drops. Now we finally have something different and people still complain.

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>>15516023
>I-i-i-i-it's different so you have to like it

>>15516012
>McGillis
>positive traits

He's literally just a fucking loser except this time unlike Char he had no followers or people who knew the true him. And him respecting Tekkadan isn't a positive trait at all since they were just another example of how deluded he was.

All McGillis is a non-romanticized Char, not a complete joke like Chronicle and Mr. Bushido but Char if you stripped him of his charisma and everyone saw how much of a loon he was.

>>15509733
I dislike the original design style more and more, the more I see redrawn superior versions such as this. Wow that looks good, is there more? This dumps all over the original.

>>15516082
>unlike Char he had no followers
There were Isurugi, fat Hitler and retainers who helped McGillis go to space for the final battle.

>>15516222
All irrelevant side characters

>>15516023
Because it invalidates the entire setting, and the premise of the 30 year old series. Everyone knows mecha are completely impractical, but its the job of a real robot show to make them feel practical. Pulling out some super weapon that is as minimalistic and effectively designed as possible just insults your audience. Why even make 72 gundam frames to handle the mobile armors when you can pierce them with a tungsten rod from 400 miles away? It's beyond bad writing.

>>15516013
Their simplicity is part of the problem. It's almost post-modern levels of humor to see an MS firing team holding and reloading the railguns. They would be so much more effective if you mounted like 50 of them to a small ship.

It's like if someone pulled out a modern assault rifle in Star Wars, with their ultra fast, basically invisible physical projectiles, Jedi and literally everyone else with their plastic armor would get mowed down. You only believe Jedis can block bullets because laser blasts move at a snails pace. Real life firearms would break that setting over its knee and make it its bitch. That's what happened with IBO and its less infuriating and more headscratching. It just adds to the pointlessness of the show.

>>15516827
I'm going to guess that the MAs are more easily able to react to and dodge a Dainsleif stake than even an AV-enhanced human pilot.
The Ars Goetia Gundams' greatest strength is being fast and unpredictable at melee range.
...Not sure where Flauros fits into the picture based on that hypothesis, though.
Ho hum.

>>15516297
Char only had "some people." Completely offscreen. And his Neo Zeon fleet was smaller.

>>15516860
You can't dodge a sight and sonar invisible barrage of inert rods being shot from fucking orbit. Also considering their supply of dainsleifs was literally endless, there would be zero problem fielding enough during the calamity war.

Fuck, there's like 10 surviving gundam frames, but there were hundreds of railguns fielded in the final space battle. Biggest ass pull I've ever seen

>>15516873
Well yeah. I'm not very smart so my attempting to justify the KKD spam probably won't get anywhere.

>>15509035
>why did that loli have to be in at all? every scene could be removed and it wouldn't change anything
Because COMMENTARY. A victim of pedophilia becomes a pedo himself. add to the grit. Get it?

>>15516868
>Char only had "some people."
Char's influence was so strong that a clone was made of him in order to take up the remnants of Neo Zeon and he almost would have succeeded if Minerva didn't spill the beans. Nobody is going to take McGillis likeness because he had no influence and the only person who gave a shit about him won't be fighting again.

>>15517359
I don't understand this meme.

>>15517425
Move on, nothing here to see.

>>15517425
First quote is something stupid someone says, second is making fun of the first

>>15510789
Amida was an ace with years of experience, Mika was a troglodite with the only strategy of "Mika smash"

>>15516827
>Because it invalidates the entire setting, and the premise of the 30 year old series. Everyone knows mecha are completely impractical, but its the job of a real robot show to make them feel practical. Pulling out some super weapon that is as minimalistic and effectively designed as possible just insults your audience. Why even make 72 gundam frames to handle the mobile armors when you can pierce them with a tungsten rod from 400 miles away? It's beyond bad writing.

The setting is the only good writing IBO has. The dainsleif launchers we see are made to be attached IN PLACE OF arms of Grazes, a post Calamity War design based on the Valkjrie frame, which were created towards the end of the war. Moreover the Grazes that wield dainsleifs have specially designed telescopic sensors for long-range aiming. And we can see from the Gundams that the Dainsleif was a late invention that only shows up on later produced Gundams like the Flauros (G64) and Kimaris (G66) which are apparently designed to use smaller warheads, based on the gunpla, than the MS sized ones we see the Grazes use.

All the signs, dropped subtly through profiles and production numbers, point to the dainsleifs being created towards the war's end with the Graze mounted dainsleifs being made after the war (since grazes are a post war design).

>They would be so much more effective if you mounted like 50 of them to a small ship
No they wouldn't. You'd still need 50 ahab reactors to power the launchers and you'd lose them all very quickly if the enemy ship dainsleifs you first, whereas we know MS can dodge and sometimes even survive hits. Regardless of how you feel we know that within the IBO universe MS are more agile than ships are and MS. They're the equivalent of jets with nuclear missiles and you're asking why they don't just put missiles on the carrier. It may make more sense to put more launchers on a ship to assist the MS but we'll never know because Rustal used MS because Iok took them out

>>15517912
>The setting is the only good writing IBO has
Stopped reading there

>>15517756
Are you forgetting that Mika is literally a child soldier? He's had years of experience by virtue of fighting subbed he was a child. And had long been considered an ace by the time he's against Julietta. And that still had no bearing on the bullshit on how he let her go even after she started clinging onto his suit

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>>15516012
No he fucking doesn't

60% of the show he is exposition man, then they tease that actually he has a big clever plan when nothing was planned. An in the end we just get muh bael. His character is just ideas thrown at the screen

Anything more is people trying to justify shit writing as shit on purpose

>>15509041
What I didn't get was why McGillis didn't think to pack a bunch of those railguns in his toolbox. Especially given he was attempting a hostile takeover.

>>15518752
>60% of the show he is exposition man, then they tease that actually he has a big clever plan when nothing was planned.

Not him but his plan was solid. The Seven Stars DID believe in the Bael's authority and were even willing to hand everything over to McGillis had McGillis won and Carta's former fleet joined his side. Based on Bael's showings, had Rustal not pulled out dainsleifs he and Mika literally could've pushed Rustal's shit in. Gaelio was just BARELY a match for McGillis and Bael but if you add in Mika Gaelio is quickly dispatched, and after that there's not a single person that can take the duo on, and really we saw there isn't anyone who can even take on McGillis except Gaelio.

Honestly, even the way things went if McGillis hadn't gotten cold feet and charged in with the Tekkadan gundams and the Revolutionary fleet as fodder they would've wrecked the dainsleifs through human sacrifice and then the last line of defense is just Gaelio and what's her face.

We see it as silly because McGillis ultimately lost but everything he believed in was 99% correct. Bael was everything he thought it was, Mika and co were as strong as he thought they were, and the Seven Star families were in his grasp and would've deferred to him had Rustal and Gaelio not stepped forth like saviors calling out the false messiah. Basically if McGillis had just made sure to kill Gaelio Rustal would have no power to even oppose McGillis, who controls Bael, because only Gaelio could pull the rug out from under McGillis by throwing all sorts of doubt of his legitimacy into the mix.

>>15518769
This.

Keep in mind, everyone, that McGillis has absolutely no idea that Gaelio is alive until he literally gets to Bael.

>>15518769
>>15518771
If Gaelio was so "noble", why did he wait until McGillis had already started fucking killing people in order to reveal himself and what the latter had done to him? Wasn't he just showboating?

>>15518776
Gaelio's nobility seems more like noblesse oblige. It has less to do with actual virtue or kindheartedness and more to do with the self-indulgence of acting noble.

But that aside the dude's fucking obsessed with McGillis and ranting about how he'll make McGillis truly see him. I don't see Gaelio as a good guy, he even straight up murders one of Rustal's mooks IIRC right as he charges Bael in their last duel. He's a jackass who wants revenge and happened to be "noble" and started spouting on about MUH NAKAMA because Okada had a hard on for him.

Also, the interviews confirmed he had literal brain damage and they had to piece him together using AV technology and the reason why AV Ein was installed was to patch up his brain, or something like that. That's why he can't walk after getting AV Ein removed at the end apparently.

>>15518768
Railguns are seen as taboo weapons. Since he's opening starting a civil war on the basis on being a "good" person who wants "positive reform", he can't exactly accommodate those things into his arsenal.

Even Rustal who was fighting to uphold the "status quo" against "traitorous usurpers" wasn't able to openly use them in combat unless he had some kind of excuse, however flimsy. He got that by using false flag tactics to make it look like someone in the McGillis camp resorted to using one so he could respond in kind with his own firing line of Dainsleifs.

Same reason why Rustal didn't just soften up the Tekkadan base with Dainsleif fire from the very beginning.

>>15518805
Honestly IBO deserves a shitton of credit simply for bringing in false flag tactics into Gundam. Every other show ever is afraid to admit they exist and are an effective, commonly used strategy.

>>15518805
>>15518807
the idea that Rustal is pulling his punches is always intriguing for me.

He could've rolled out the Elion, Kujan and Fareed gundams (not like Mcgillis would be using it) or even started out with a dainsleif barrage (instead of letting loose mid-battle) but he can't for legitimacy reasons.

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>>15518769
>Not him but his plan was solid
>He had no plan

>>15518807
>>15518805
>>15518788
>>15518776
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>>15518769
It says so much about this show's writing when damn near everything the fanbase uses to defend it is headcannon. I shit on Fukuda but at least there's in-universe explanation for the bullshit that happens but IBO you literally have to make up shit in order to make it seem that someone in teh staff knew what they were doing.

>>15518769
You took a very long time to say his plan wouldn't be dumb if they didn't have one weapon that he knew about. So just at the base line you are wrong.

Which even if we ignore, no he would have lost cause he had minor support vs the whole fucking earth.

>Bael was everything he thought it was
No it was less than that, it added nothing and didn't inspire anyone to join. I'm sure next thread you will decide that actually it is an amazing symbol of his foolishness 10/10 bravo okada.

>because only Gaelio could pull the rug out from under McGillis by throwing all sorts of doubt of his legitimacy into the mix.
Or you know, all those people that knew all the corrupt shit he did where his best attempt to hide it was a fluffy chicken mask.

Dropped it midway through S2. Was a Kudelia and Atra romance at least confirmed? It's about time we had some yuri in gundam.

>>15519504
>Was a Kudelia and Atra romance at least confirmed?
No.

>>15519506

EVEN THE YURIFAGS ARE SHOT DOWN!

>>15519510
What did you expect from felcher gundam?

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>>15509035

Finally an unbiased and non-rustal fankwank IBO thread? I'm astonished anon good review. Good job.

>>15509737

Rustalfag detected

>>15519506
They still married.

>>15518944
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>>15519433
We actually have people on /m/ who are too dumb to understand IBO. Jeez I thought it was just a problem with G-Reco but we have actual, honest to God retards that should be exterminate for the sake of humanity. Next I'll be hearing that MSG doesn't make any sense and it's all just headcanon.

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>>15518788

>obsessed with McGillis

Your best friend for most of your life lies, tricks, disgraces and kills you and manipulates your other two friends into killing themselves also. On top of that he tells you he's going to fuck your little sister's brains out as he kills you.

Every time someone mentions how out of character or bizarre the "look at me" comments were in the penultimate episode, it just baffles me. This was nothing but simple revenge, he wanted McGillis to look at the people he betrayed and forgot about whilst stepping over them.

McGillis mentions the power Gaelio gets from the AV surgery just proves him right the more he delves into it to strike back at him, but McGillis forgot that Gaelio wasn't alone which was why he was able to fight back in the first place. McGillis never sees the people behind the AV surgery or the motives they have, just the power they hold. It's exactly the reason why he's so let down when Mikazuki refuses to work with him as he departs Tekkadan.

>>15519554
Yea for progressive points. Kudelia has never shown any interest in Atra and vice versa.

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>>15509035

The McGillis wins ending they had in mind originally sounded far more boring than the one we got sadly.

At least this one was interesting simply because of how flat out DENIED the protagonists were.

If you can't stomach that, then that's your own feelings i suppose. But the alternative genuinely sounded bland and uninspired given they wanted to reward bastards for being bastards at the end of the day.

>>15519598
So did they change the ending during pre-production or during it. I wanna know why the flow of the story was so garbage.

>>15519598
It's not about good guys or bad guys winning, it's about literally who's winning. Rustal and his gang are introduced as a foil to Mcdonalds in the council. He's just a bland obstacle to put up some resistance. The only scenes they ever get are either walking on the balcony on the big cruise boat talking about space politics or sitting on the bridge of the ship with their hands behind their backs talking about space politics. These scenes feel like watching the star wars prequels.

Then him and his turn around and are the final antagonists who also effortlessly win with an ass-pull weapon that disqualifies the existence of mobile suits in the first place. It's just pointless and lazy. They're bland characters that come out of left field and own the day like it was nothing. It's purposeless. It's milquetoast. You saying Mcdonalds winning is a blander ending? Did you even watch the show?

>>15519598
>The McGillis wins ending they had in mind originally sounded far more boring than the one we got sadly.
This is headcanon

>>15510766

I just feel like that is literally the laziest plot development ever...

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>>15519604

No statement had ever been made by the show's creators as far as i know. Something was loosely said about "making Tekkadan lose from the beginning" but that could be referring to from the beginning of either season at this point.

>>15519611
>They're bland characters that come out of left field and own the day like it was nothing. It's purposeless. It's milquetoast. You saying Mcdonalds winning is a blander ending? Did you even watch the show?

I seemed to recall Iok getting killed and dozens of soldiers getting killed during the finale. They did not just wade through them, they basically cheated them out of winning through Dainsleif spamming and the same tech McGillis was waving his flag about for the past two seasons.

>>15519613

No, this was part of an interview given shortly after the show ended a month ago if you remembered or browsed the board right. They flat out said they going to have "Tekkadan and McGillis win in the end but that sounded boring" so they opted for something different.

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>>15519598
>At least this one was interesting simply because of how flat out DENIED the protagonists were.
If I had any sort of connection to the characters I would care but since the show didn't even bother it just left me cold in the end. McGillis winning would have been better since I actually give a shit about him but at that same token him being an absolute failure is what makes him stand out from other Char clones.

I dunno man, we're between a rock and a hard place with this one, they really needed to make you invested in these characters to make you care about the underlying tragedy of their demise (and even that gets shat on with the epilogue)

>>15519642
>but at that same token him being an absolute failure is what makes him stand out from other Char clones.
Name one Char that wasn't an absolute failure

>>15519588
Yeah that doesn't work here since IBO outright didn't establish most of the shit you're spouting whereas in G-Reco pretty much everything that gets refruited is within the show.

>>15519647
>it didn't happen lalalala
Kys subhuman

>>15519598
>We live in a time where people seems to generally believe a bleak ending is a better alternative than a happy one

I can only smile and remember what the director or E7 said when he mentioned that the reason he changed the ending was because he thought mecha anime had too much of a reputation of ending on a downer note so he wanted to go against the trend with a happy one. How far we've come.

>>15519598
>they wanted to reward bastards for being bastards
Then you're reminded Rustal is the president so I have no idea what the fuck you're going on about.

>>15519650
Sorry IBOfag but your headcanon will never become reality

>>15519644
Neo Roanoke

>>15519659
>it's all headcanon REEEEEEE
>it's definitely not my fault that i'm a subhuman retard who can't pay attention to or understand a kid's show
>nonono it's the show that's wrong WAAAAA
You're a miserable human being. I can just imagine the palpable disappoint and despair your mother felt when she popped you out. I bet you had the same exact reaction to G-Reco but because you're a mindless simpleton you just jumped on the latest bandwagon and now insist you understand G-Reco even though it continues to elude your peabrain.

>>15519644
Mask

>>15519644
How do we label a Char clone as a failure?

Because McGillis got what he wanted in the end.

>>15519687
>Because McGillis got what he wanted in the end.
No he didn't you fucking retard. McGillis wanted to rule Mars unlike Tekkadan his entire motivation was completely based on his own selfishness thinking he was the only one suitable to fix this corrupt world based on a fucking fairy tale which is why Rustal becoming president and his name forever being slandered is like pissing in his grave.

>>15519694
>McGillis wanted to rule Mars
Did you even watch the show?

>>15519700
>Literally offered Orga to position with promise of being Kings of Mars

I think I understand it now!

>Posts something that was actually said in show
>D-d-d-d-d-d-did you even watch the show

>Posts complete headcannon
>T-t-t-this.

So this is how IBOfags operate.

>>15519644
Graham Aker saved the World

>>15519694
>McGillis wanted to rule Mars
Dude seriously

>>15519702
>Literally offered Orga to position with promise of being Kings of Mars
Dude
You're not even consistent in your own posts
If he wanted to be the king of Mars, why would he offer it to Orga?

McGillis didn't give a flying fuck about Mars, just like how you obviously didn't give enough of a fuck about the show, Gundam, or your own self respect enough to actually know what your talking about. Go and watch Transformers or something you absolute fucking faggot.

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>>15519652

>McGillis winning
>happy ending

Only his fans would be happy about that because that doesn't even begin to sound like a remotely happy ending.

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>>15519644

>Name one Char that wasn't an absolute failure

Pic related

>>15519594

But they're married, they have an established, canon relationship. They're wife and wife.

>>15519554
>>15519594

Have you ever noticed how lesbian endings are used to try to save a shitty animated show?

Korra

>>15519730
>NO U: The post

Typical IBOfaggot

>>15519797
>Only his fans would be happy about that
Which are more people happy than the actual ending.

>>15519802
>never betrays anyone
>loyal to the end
How could you ever call him a Char, that's like saying chronicle is a char.

>>15519802
Guin is the Char of Turn A not Harry. Harry's at worst a Quattro, at best a cool bro who wears glasses and looks slick in a sweater vest.

>>15509040
>>15509035
>>15509041
Thank goodness I didn't finish it.

Once they were on the colony, I was like "This is boring" yo and stopped

>>15518776
Gaelio wanted to see what McGillis's true intentions were. Did Ein and Carta die because McGillis wanted power for himself, or was McGillis really trying to reform Gjallarhorn? When McGillis had Tekkadan attack HQ while he ran off to steal Bael and declare himself Glorious Leader, Gaelio took that as the proof McGillis was only interested in obtaining power and that the reform stuff was all lies.

>>15519926
Season 3 was great. 4 wasn't as good. 2 had moments of greatness interspersed and 1 was shit

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>>15520747
>Season 3 was great.
>2 had moments of greatness interspersed

All those good gunpla wasted on a shit show. Needs 50 paragraphs of headcanon to get to 7/10 passable status

>>15520709

He wanted reform but it was going to be Gundam based Reform. Aka anyone with Gundam Frame will be free to do the fuck they want since in the end Gundams was nigh unstoppable with only the Dansleifs being a threat. Under Tekkadan and McGillis things would be fine to an extent but those without Gundam Frames would be in a powerless situation to do anything except listen to the whims of McGillis' Gjallarhorn and Tekkadan.

It is similar what happens if Jack-O wins in Armored Core Last Raven. Both Jack-O and McGillis are fighting a corrupt ruling party but they are also pure Darwinist in that the weak cannot be trusted.

>>15509035
>OP watching IBO
>Lifetime Gundam fan

No OP, you're a fake fan. Real fans hate IBO and it is worse than Age or G-Saviour.

>>15520883
>G-Saviour
>bad

Looks like we have an ACTUAL fake fan here

>>15520883

Let me guess, since you didn't mention it, you like Destiny right?

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>>15519630
If my memory is correct, why the ending ended up changing was for two reasons: Okada fell in love with Gaelio and Ein's VA performance and then went on to try and make them the main characters and inserted herself as Julieta, which makes the two of them getting together kinda creepy in retrospect, and Nagai was an honest to God misanthrope who was allowed near-free reign in his content control for the show. The last minute pseudo-change of heart that Rustal underwent was purely due to executive meddling saying that they were not allowed to have a completely bleak ending.

Anyone want to guess what happens when you leave these two kinds of people alone in a series to toxically play off of each other's shortcomings like that? The season 2 ending, that's what. Okada was fine killing off characters, but was stopped by Nagai in the first season solely so he could drop the hammer fully in the finale while stringing along viewership with shit like yaoi bait to keep the executives mostly off his back. No one expected IBO to end happily, but we sure as hell didn't know that we were going to see one of the worst Gundam entries in existence by the end. You know that a series is going off the rails in the worst way possible when even the VA cast is completely in the dark about the changes to the script and shocked by what happened to their characters. If there's one thing that can be learned from IBO, it's that letting your staff's creative control go too far can easily ruin a series.

So IBO gunpla and stuff did great after all

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>>15521011
That's at least something comforting to know since the designs were quite honestly one of the show's saving graces, barring Barbatos' final form.

>>15516860
Wasn't Flauros the first Dàinsleif-capable weapon?

>>15521085
Where was that stated? Sure, its railguns are a bit smaller than those mounted on the Graze model, but I don't recall it ever being said that they were the first.

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>>15521011
based Ippei Goubu

yanase fags katokifags ebikawafags BTFO, eat shit

>>15521086
Flauros' model was based around the concept of the Dainsleif, which is why it could transform in the first place and serve as an artillery suit for long-range bombardment during the Calamity War. It actually is the precursor of the Dainsleif Grazes, and was one of the reasons they got banned in the first place due to the effectiveness of the dual cannons against something like Mobile Armors.

>>15520891
>Liking bootleg CGI Gundam shit.


Oh anon, you're taste is quite terrible.

>>15521118
maan things like this make even more mad that we didn't get to see more of flauros capabilities

>>15521225
Reminder that we don't get more mecha action because of animators complaining. The Code Geass OVAs are proof that if they moved to CG they'd have more action because action sells merch.

>>15521225
IBO was essentially 'Wasted Potential: The Series'.

>>15521009
Hopefully this means Nagai and Okada won't be allowed anywhere near Gundam forever.

All they needed to do to fix the plothole of the dainsleifs was explain that it was invented after the Gundams ended the calamity war.

>>15521296

It didn't.

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Ha, I just finished the show today and I had the complete opposite reaction. I loved the ending because pretty much the entire second season is a slowly unfolding tragedy, and to swerve from that at the last minute for some generic happy-happy-everyone-gets-what-they-want finale would have been a massive cop-out. The show's theme from the start was that these kids weren't heroes, they weren't saviors, they were just survivors trying to keep surviving, and they allowed the rich and powerful to use them in order to accomplish that. And in the end that's what happened.

>mcgillis was that guys buttboy, why did this have to be in there

Because it shows that Mcgillis was an exploited victim just like Tekkadan was, just of a different kind. Also shows why he was so obsessed with power, and why he was a pedo himself. It's a cycle, yo.

>why did that loli have to be in at all?

Gotta make those babies. Gotta make that dinner. Gotta have someone to marry Kudelia because Mika is dead and she deserves someone to come home to.

>I found Mika refreshing in some way

Mika works because he's basically Heero Yui written in a non-retarded way. Instead of trying to pass off a broken child soldier as some sort of cool badass, he's written as tragic and pitiful. Incredibly skilled at battle, utterly inept at everything else, and the clincher is that he knows it. I'm glad they didn't tarnish that by having him magically learn social skills at the end.

IBO had some issues (first arc of season 2 is dull, Naze feels like a Redditors' idea of what a cool person is) but overall it's one of my favorite Gundams because it had the balls to fully commit to its themes. Way too many Gundam shows trot out the "war is awful!" message, then proceed to make war look cool as hell with clear good guys and bad guys and justice completely triumphing. That ain't how it works and I'm glad IBO shows us how grey that shit really is.

>>15521345
But it did cop out like crazy at the end you fucking sperg. Go read Macbeth if you want a tragedy about ambition. IBO is just a mish-mash of themes and ideas that don't play off anything else. Season 2 is a 25 episode flatline with one or two blips. Mistaking that lack of anything for depth or bleakness is your own shortcoming.

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>>15521359
>Go read Macbeth if you want a tragedy about ambition

Ambition isn't nearly as important a theme in IBO as it is in Macbeth, as you should have noticed by the fact that Mcgillis isn't the main character. Tekkadan plays at being ambitious but in the end all any of them want is to live comfortable lives, even that whole King of Mars thing is just a means to that end.

>Season 2 is bad and a cop-out because I said so, no I won't give reasons, it just is.

Compelling argument!

>ambition isn't an important theme in IBO

And in the very next sentence you use the phrase "king of mars." LMAO

If anything the real ambition here is your drive to be king of the retards.

Seriously, tell me more about how ambition isn't an important them when we get not one but two space macbeths.

>>15521011
What am I looking at here?

Anyone still got the webms or gifs of IBO's QUALITY moments lying around? Want to show a friend.

>>15521345
This a bait thread bud. You better share that serious post in other place. Here you will only be engaged with the Real™ Gundam™ Fan™ dude(s) and retards that thought that McGillis wanted to rule Mars or reply to everything with "but dude, Dainsleifs lmao".

Discussing McGillis as a Char clone is interesting because they are in some important ways polar opposites. Char starts on top of the world and has everything taken from him by the Zabis while McGillis starts with nothing and takes everything from the Fareed family. While Char is protective of those he cares about McGillis pushes them away with the exception of his fiancee.

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>>15521345
>and to swerve from that at the last minute for some generic happy-happy-everyone-gets-what-they-want finale would have been a massive cop-out.
This is exactly what happens. The epilogue pretty much hammers in that everyone who survived is living a better life due to Tekkadan's actions and that Mars is in a much better state that it was from the beginning. Tekkadan pretty much got what they wanted because the show reminds you that everything they're doing is so they can have better lives and they would gladly lay down their lives for that even GH gets reformed from behind the scenes.

>stuff
This is why its so fun to laugh at the faggots who like this show, you idiots are so shallow it fucking hurts

>Mika works because he's basically Heero Yui written in a non-retarded way.
>non-retarded way
Kek. Mika's problem is that he's ineffective as a protagonist and a character because there's no point in character about since the writers pout no effort into giving him anything resembling characterization which is a big non-non in a franchise that hinges on it hence why people gravitated towards McGillis and Gali because they're the only characters with an arc and characterization to make the audience invested. IBOfags have thia weird fixation that a concept is better than its execution which even SEEDfags are more willing to admit that the great ideas of the CE era was bogged down by shitty writing.

> it had the balls to fully commit to its themes
And then completely dash them away in less than a second, for every positive you can bring up for IBO there's always a negative

>Way too many Gundam shows trot out the "war is awful!" message, then proceed to make war look cool as hell with clear good guys and bad guys and justice completely triumphing
I think we have a "Emperor has no clothes" situation at hands, also apparently every single IBOfag have never seen a single Gundam anime before IBO

>>15521359

It didn't, barring the fact that the ending wasn't as bleak as it could be.

Basically, Tekkadan took on the per-eminent power in the solar system, at the designs of a guy with no practical plan. They were, as you'd expect, utterly crushed.

Sure, they put up a lot of resistance, but past the first clash it's obvious that they never could win. They've simply bitten off far, far more than they could chew. Like, Rustal didn't have to be a tactical genius: all he needed to do was to keep his head and rely on his technological and numerical advantage to carry the day for him.

It was exactly what you'd expect, with Tekkadan getting ground to pieces.

People who keep on saying McGillis doesn't have a plan are blind; he did. Though it wasn't shown on-screen as such, Bael DID have a lot of influence; the only reason everyone didn't bow to him is because of Gaelio's continued existence. Had Gaelio been killed in Season 1, none of the other Seven Star families would have had a valid reason to go against McGillis.

>>15522270
I think there's a great unintentional meta irony to IBO. Everyone watching the show assumed that McGillis was a delusional chuuni who points at people from MS cockpits but in reality their entire world is exactly as chuuni as he expected and the big Excalibur myth is played straight by most of the characters, so his plan makes sense within the universe. If anything it's Rustal who's a madman and a true maverick for challenging the pilot of Bael.

>>15522270
>>15522291
>>15521893
>He did
>It just wasn't' shown

This headcanon. Its getting sadder and sadder the more you post.

>>15522291
Shit that isn't in the show for $100.

>>15521893
It's a total cop out. The majority of the cast lives in peace with vastly improved lives. Jobberhorn gets reformed. Mars is free. It's borderline saccharin.

>>15521345
This post is too reasonable. Get the fuck out you fake fan.

>>15522395
>>15522515
At least trying samefagging with a different response

>>15522552
>reasonable.
Of course a post you made would be reasonable to you

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>>15510724
She made a comment about how they changed Gaelio's character and she was very impressed by the VA.
/m/ took this as proof that she self-inserts as Julieta, because they wound up together.

That's pretty much all.

>>15522631
Lovely

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>>15522566

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>>15521835
I'm pretty sure McGillis gives some things to the Fareed family as well, if you catch my drift.

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>be Okada
>get roped into a project with a shit studio and a shit director
>a paycheck is a paycheck
>actually wind up liking a minor character more than the entire rest of the cast
>while Nagai ruins everything else about the show, manage to secure the climactic battle and a happy ending for your favorite
Based.

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>>15523180
>Sunrise
>shit studio
Stopped reading there. Try harder.

>>15523192
>studio 3
>not shit
Stop breathing in general.

>>15523180
You do realize that Okada and Nagai have worked together several times before right?

>>15509035
All the parts you described as great are at best passable.

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>>15522666
>He doesn't know about the Okada self-inserts

Also there's literally no point to Juliette's character so her being a self-insert makes more sense than what they tried to make her.

>>15522515
Nagai mentioned something about the ending being false happiness for Tekkadan. Let's look at how they ended up.

Sure, for the most part they were able to move on and get real jobs. But to the public they're still McGillis's villainous minions and there are people hunting the survivors. Orga's probably seen as a monster who exploited kids by people outside of the group while Julietta is seen as a heroine for killing Mikazuki.

To top it off, some of the younger members were unable to leave Tekkadan behind them and are seeking revenge. They're still going about things in a Tekkadan-like manner. I could see Eugene and the other members seeing how fucked up Ride and the others are, fully aware of the role they played in this. They indoctrinated those kids mate, and now those kids are unable/unwilling to lead the normal lives their comrades gave their lives to give them.

As for Mars, sure it's free. That's one problem solved, but the way they went about it's another. Gjallarhorn stopped protecting the planet and Mars does not know how to manufacture Ahab reactors to power MS. With all the pirates, PMCs and criminals on the planet, Mars is going to get more lawless if anything with nothing to enforce order.

If Gjallarhorn stops watching over the routes to Mars, then the prices for imported goods are going to skyrocket due to the need for shipping companies to hire armed escorts. This could also reduce demand for Martian goods due to their prices. The whole mess is only going to create more economic problems for the planet, making more demand for PMCs. And some of those groups aren't going to care about the law. They'll still buy human debris and outfit them with AV if they need to. Especially pirates.

If Mars has to buy MS/Ahab reactors to protect itself, it will see an increase in taxes to cover the costs. More economic strain. The only other alternative is them crawling back to Gjallarhorn, begging for their protection.

Still sound like a happy ending?

>>15521009
>You know that a series is going off the rails in the worst way possible when even the VA cast is completely in the dark about the changes to the script and shocked by what happened to their characters. If there's one thing that can be learned from IBO, it's that letting your staff's creative control go too far can easily ruin a series.
These aren't necessarily bad things. With a good director, it would've been great. But Nagai and Okada are shit, and they brought out the worst in each other in IBO

>>15523852
Except none of that shit is in the show you autist.

>haha simple pleb you didn't even consider the heavy space taxes they will have to pay!!!

Like who is writing this shit seriously

>>15523852
>But to the public
Tekkadan never really cared about public opinion...
>some of the younger members were unable to leave Tekkadan behind them and are seeking revenge
Don't see how this is a negative
>They indoctrinated those kids mate
Tekkadan's ideology extended about as far as Orga is a good boss and Mika is his best pilot.
>Gjallarhorn stopped protecting the planet
They never were protecting the planet. Gjallajorn was more likely to hire the pirates for dirty work more than everything.
>Mars does not know how to manufacture Ahab reactors to power MS
Teiwaz knows how to make MS, and Mars is literally littered with old MS and Ahab reactors
>If Gjallarhorn stops watching over the routes
Gjallajorn doesn't care about enforcing the routes all the way out to Mars. That's why the Turbines and other Teiwaz subsidiaries are able to smuggle stuff across routes only they know
>If Mars has to buy MS/Ahab reactors
Except they don't because their economy is literally built around mining half-metal that's used in MS, they have old MS leftover everywhere on the planet, and have good relations with Teiwaz who know how to make their own. Mars has the materials. Mars has the knowhow, building MS isn't gonna be a problem.
>Still sound like a happy ending
For anyone living in the Earth Sphere, definitely not. For everyone else, absolutley

>>15524652
>the mafia now has a monopoly on mobile suit production so Mars is okay

>>15524707
The mafia(excluding Jasely and his buddies)were more helpful to Mars than Gjallhorn which was supposed to be upholding the law.

>>15523180
You're talking like Okada hasn't been consistently writing garbage for incompetent people.

>>15521296
Given Flauros chronological goetic number (64 out of 72), and the fact that the frame itself was kind of a prototype to the Dainsleifs, it can be implied that the Dainsleifs were developed and deployed around the end of the Calamity War, making the Gundam frames still do most of the job.

But yeah, it'd have been neat if they expanded that a bit more. It is THE weapon of the whole show after all.

>>15524707
A oligopoly at worst, maybe. If anything Yukinojo and all the leftover mechanics/engineers like Yamagi learned alot about Mobile Suits from the years they were working on them. After all didn't we see that they opened up a factory in the epilogue.

>>15509035
Sorry dumbasses, but IBO had the best Gundam ending in franchise history. It wasn't the best show but it had the best ending. It'll never be as good as Greco but its miles better than anything AGE or TRY could have come up with

>>15525078

I love this actually as like you say yourself the later numbered Ars Goetia frames displayed that usage of technology in Kimaris and Flauros. It may as well be an implied sign that the Calamity War was won pretty much in the same fashion that Rustal spams the protagonists with and is exactly why the weapon is so highly controversial and banned.

>>15526356
Not sure if bait or a serious retard
>IBO had the best Gundam ending
0079, then Zeta have the best endings

>>15521345
>swerve from that at the last minute for some generic happy-happy-everyone-gets-what-they-want finale would have been a massive cop-out
Except that's exactly what happened. Did you turn away from the screen after Mika died and miss the whole super happy ending, where everything McGillis and Orga wanted got fulfilled by Rustal?
>Gotta make those babies. Gotta make that dinner. Gotta have someone to marry Kudelia because Mika is dead and she deserves someone to come home to.
Pretty sure the previous anon was talking about Almiria, but even if you're talking about Atra, these aren't good reasons at all. Just saying gotta doesn't make it stupid, and these are all stupid reasons, especially the last one. Why does Kudelia have to marry someone? Why does she "deserve" to be with someone? That's just retarded. But what should I expect from someone who thinks IBO is a work of genius when he's putting in more thought into than the writers and director did.
>Instead of trying to pass off a broken child soldier as some sort of cool badass
Couldn't really tell they were doing much of anything diferent from portraying him as a cool badass with his Mika smash and quick executions by gunshot. I know occasionaally they touched on him not being able to live in Kudelia's world, but that was like, what, 3 times over the entire show, compared to how many times we see Mika smash, everyone looking up to him, and getting two girls to fall for him, even as he's more emotionally invested in Orga than either of them.
>it's one of my favorite Gundams because it had the balls to fully commit to its themes. Way too many Gundam shows trot out the "war is awful!" message, then proceed to make war look cool as hell with clear good guys and bad guys and justice completely triumphing. That ain't how it works and I'm glad IBO shows us how grey that shit really is.
Ok, now I now this is a bait post. Have you seen any other Gundam outside of the shitty AUs?

>>15526388
>0079, then Zeta have the best endings
>Muh bitter ending with no consequences
Jump into a pool of dicks and choke on them

>>15526603
No

>>15523180
i seriously hate this bitch. it was so obvious that they were going to fail in the end as soon as akihiko's girlfriend got capped by a out of the blue hitman while shopping for teddie bears.

IBO easily worst gundam ending to date.

>>15509035
>Just finished marathoning this shit. Lifetime gundam fan,
> Lifetime gundam fan,

>>15528325
He was born with a burning hatred for Tomino and a gunpla in his grubby little hand. All true fans are.

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At least the best couple got together in the end.

>>15519644
Meijin Kawaguchi

checkm9

Im Ok with Choco char not getting what he wants but they killed off all the main tekkadan without much of a fight? wat

>>15528436
Why did you post a blank image?

>>15509035
>that screencap
So were the elevens really triggered by that decapitated gundam or was it just FAKE NEWS ?

>>15529123
Why would anybody be triggered by this?

>>15529130
Something something dishonoring the gundam's nature and meaning, disrespecting the legacy of the gundam. Things like that

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>>15529142
>disrespecting the legacy of the Gundam
Hypocrisy much?
A legacy of what? A toy commercial? Seriously?

>>15529130
>>15529123

They would likely be more triggered if it was a Zaku head

>>15529170
Yes.

>>15509737
I thought it was momentarily satisfying, but after I let it set, I just started to think it was very strange and worked against a lot of the messages the show had spent time pushing.

>>15509035
Destiny was better than this in every conceivable way.

>>15529205
nope. IBO is even better than seed.
Whenever I watch CE I want to kill myself for having so much deja vu on everything. It's like its made by one person.
90% of CE is reused clip. Fact, and the story is trash.

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>>15528436
You must've posted the wrong image, here, let me help.

What I don't understand is, what did the complainers want? Did they want Choco to win, and Tekkadan to magically trounce the bad guys? That's EXACTLY what everyone hates about the AUs so far!

I mean, I really liked the ending. I do feel that more of Tekkadan should have died (leaving only Kudelia and Atra) and Iok should have survived.

Like, how else should the show have ended?

>>15530460

> Mikazuki continues to hold the line while his comrades escape to the tunnel. He is the last of the MS pilots to continue fighting, since he knows he wouldn't make it due to his disabilities.

> Barbatos wants him to live, so it disconnects the AV system from Mika and restores the use of his limbs/eye.

> As Mika is getting out of Barbatos, a Gjallarhorn member notices it and alerts an injured Iok.

> Iok, not in a MS mind you, grabs a nearby rifle and takes aim.

> Nails Mikazuki in the back of the head. Turns out Iok is a master sniper but those skills never transferred to piloting a MS.

Mikazuki reminds me of my little sister

>>15530559
your little sister pilots barbatos too?

>>15521520
I think it's yearly revenue for the Gundam franchise, not sure if it's world wide or just Japan. Seems like 2016 had higher revenue than the previous year. IBO aired in 11/2015 into 2016 and the S1 kits were all out by early 2016 and later in 2016 the S2 kits were coming out

>>15530335
Nope, both Seed shows are superior to this turd.

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>>15530460

>>15530662
>Clip fest
>Superior
lol kek. I bet you reuse condoms too

>>15530545
The first few lines read like some MC wins through magic of friendship fanfiction but everything went better than expected.

>>15530545
Perfect.

>>15530545
Awful, the only good Iok is a dead Iok.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/FandomRivalry/AnimeAndManga

Yeah, IBO is gonna fuck with this fandom for years. On that note, can gundam get its own fandom rivalry page?

>>15510789
she got wrecked by Mika really fucking hard, only reason she didn't die is because pilots are pretty fucking sturdy in IBO and there are magical bathtubs of healing

>>15510789
>Even worse is that he lets her get away when that's completely out of character for him
During the course of the show he slowly became less of an individual and more of a tool that exists to realize Tekkadan's will. And he only lets her go because he considers finishing Shino's mission more important but he's told to pull back. In fact, compared to Biscuit's death Mika barely cared Shino died and is callous enough to imply that Shino failed so now he has to pick up the slack.

>>15530460
>Mika threatens to kill everyone that doesn't follow Orga's final orders.

>Suddenly, a gunshot! Mika falls with a bullet hole in the forehead. The shooter? One of the new recruits. Doesn't matter who. He's scared and doesn't want any of this last stand shit.

>Total chaos breaks out. New recruits vs Veterans. The newbies win and take over like the original Tekkadan did once upon a time.

>They make a new deal with Rustal. They sell out all the veteran members and Gundams in exchange for very reduced sentences. The end.

Yeah, it's edgy. But so was the show.

>>15528436
Actually either okada or nagai stated that garma isn't looking for female companionship.

>>15532607
Bet it was Nagai, realizing too late that Okada rused him into giving Gaelio a proper happy ending.

He tried to dampen the mood in every comment he made since the show ended. What an edgy dude.

>>15532209
Gundam stuff was moved to its own article

>>15532607
There's literally no way it was Okada considering she basically admitted to having a crush on Gaelio and coerced the staff into settling for a happy end for him. Which of course means Julietta is Okada's self-insert so she can get with her favorite rich boy

>>15530460
I just wanted Tekkadan to get edgier in S2 and start doing actually shady shit like running drugs, bullying civilian companies, and trying to recruit more kids into their paramilitary and most of all being actual successful mafiosos that are concerning everyone.

Then you could morally justify their downfall and spare the more innocent members. Basically like Scarface. The end didn't have a payoff because I never felt they were actually bad or successful enough. They didn't have a good enough life or whatever was overflowing from Mika's hands and they didn't do anything particularly bad. Choco's goals were too ambiguous to say whether or not he was actually honest or not. It's not even a matter of being morally ambiguous, they just didn't make clear what Choco was really after besides taking over Gjallarhorn which seemed to be a means to an end rather than the ultimate goal. So while he was fun his character seemed lackluster and empty, unlike Char who has clear goals that may or may not be pragmatic in hindsight when you learn the world collapsed so bad they were eating humans and all the space colonies disappeared even though there were 7 clusters of 20-30 colonies filled with millions

>>15534907
If there's any lesson to be learned from all of this, it's that Nagai needs to be watched like a hawk to keep him from pulling this shit again.

>>15534942
Oh shit you're right! Does that mean gundam fans can team up with /mlp/?

>>15535518
Only if we can take a dump on War in The Shit.

>>15529170
Toys are serious fucking business.

>>15532588
Rustal doesn't negotiate with terrorists. All those kids would've died

>>15535016
Criminally underrated post right here

>>15535016
I think the thing is, the show doesn't jump on a soapbox to say what they did wrong.

For instance, Tekkadan recruiting more children to fight. They pay the kids well and don't abuse them like the CGS guys did, and they're giving a home to kids who don't have one. Sounds great, right? Yet in the real world, we don't accept organizations that accept children enlisting "willingly." There are a bunch of factors that can influence the child's decision, many of them present in IBO, and because of those the UN rejects the idea of voluntary enlistment. For many kids, joining up is a matter of survival and them signing themselves up doesn't excuse their commanders from the fact they are employing child soldiers.Fact is, Orga hiring more kids is a questionable act in and of itself.

Then on top of that, he later adopts a high-risk/high-reward outlook after Biscuit's death. One of the reason's he staged the coup was because he didn't want the CGS commanders to put his guys in high-risk situations where they were most likely to be killed, he was doing it for the safety of his men. Yet in the end, he ended up pushing his men into the operations he originally wanted to avoid and lost a lot of them when he backed the wrong horse. In some ways, beneath the Shonen Jump-like exterior Orga became the commanders he originally despised.

The show pulls no punches showing Mikazuki is messed up and can't function outside of Tekkadan, the textbook example of a child soldier, yet we see Tekkadan's pilots begin to emulate his attitude as time goes on. Hell, we have Ride saying the younger members have to see Mikazuki enact revenge on Carta and we all know how Ride turned out. Heck, Ride is another textbook example. His influence on Orga led to the adoption of the aforementioned hr/hr playstyle. Fact is, Mikazuki wasn't a healthy kid and he had an adverse affect on the rest of the organization.

I could go on. Thing is, beneath the namaka Tekkadan is questionable enough already.

>>15534942
Looks like Iron Blooded Ovaries really was that cancerous.

>>15510700
I actually pulled for her just because it seemed like the contrarian thing to do. Felt weird when everything worked out.

>>15536084
>I think the thing is, the show doesn't jump on a soapbox to say what they did wrong.
And that's the fucking problem. It does not matter what they're doing is "wrong" if the narrative doesn't support it or even worse if they're the least evil party in the show. All these "bad" things you're listing isn't really showcasing them in a negative light where the world they live in and the people surrounding it are even worse human beings.

>b-b-b-b-but Ride
Once again Ride's actions gets negated by the fact that HE'S KILLING A PERSON WORSE THAN HIM and it doesn't really take away from the fact that remnants of Tekkadan all benefited from the sacrifice of everyone on the front WHICH IS WHAT THEY ALWAYS WANTED. You can bring up any questionable action they do but it always be negated by the fact that they're entirely selfless with everything or that there's always someone who is fucking worse so I don't get Nagai's hateboner for Tekkadan or thing that "they must pay for their actions" because he did a really shit job of setting up a morally grey environment.

>>15536326
Nagai said last season that while he thought Tekkadan were going down the wrong path, saying Merribit was right during the mess with Carta, it was important that the audience doesn't think so. Tekkadan does bad, self-destructive activities and in the end the audience is supposed to be cheering them on as they do so.

Indoctrination, defined as the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically, is a very real thing when it comes to child soldiers. They're easier to mold than adults and can fight with less regard to their own personal safety, and the scary thing is it's not all image training and putting gun powder in the food. And considering IBO tries to tackle the issue of child soldiers, it plays a factor in the show.

You yourself have bought into the group's beliefs. They weren't selfless, they were willing to kill as many people as they needed to in the pursuit of their own happiness. If someone killed a member of their crew, they would go balls out to kill the SOB responsible even if they were going to lose power/influence in order to do so or if the SOB was begging for their lives. Naze even called out Orga's choices by saying that rather than providing for his family he was instead trying to obtain a life of luxury.

> Do crazy shit for big payoffs
> Crush anyone who opposes us
> Finish the mission to honor our fallen comrades

This is what Tekkadan was indoctrinated with, and we see during s2 Orga having this thrown in his face. That's why he kept breaking down, only to be forced back into his role by his crew. And in the real world, we don't treat revenge and brutality as admirable qualities.

>>15536375
>Nagai said last season that while he thought Tekkadan were going down the wrong path, saying Merribit was right during the mess with Carta, it was important that the audience doesn't think so.
>>15536375
Which is the most retarded fucking statement you can possibly make. The show kept flip flopping and by the end didn't have anything of worth to say about anything. The battle with Carta is a higlight of what's wrong with IBO's writing as a whole.

>Indoctrination, defined as the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically, is a very real thing when it comes to child soldiers.
Which gets negated by the sheer fact that Tekkadan never sought the PMC game as a final level but a fucking stepping point so they'll get enough funds to get out of it and leave it behind which is essentially what their final mission becomes is to save as many remnants as possible so that they can live better lives. Now is this another indoctrination or are you fucking stupid like the rest of the people who defends this show?

>You yourself have bought into the group's beliefs
Its not about being brought in to their believes its about what the show tells and displays for you and that;s why the ending shits on any sort of notion of looking down on Tekkadan's actions.

Tekkadan never cared about luxury, glory or fame, they just wanted to live better lives because as the show displays the environment they live in is incredibly shit. The will to live a better life is a common goal for every human being not something that messed up child soldiers believe and the very fact that the core members were willing o sacrifice themselves in order for the rest to live better lives shits on your entire stance.

>And in the real world,
IBO's logic does not work in the real world kid also some of the most celebrated leaders in history fought in battles in brutality so you fucked up there.

Why is it so easy to BTFO this shitty fanbase?

>>15536481
>Why is it so easy to BTFO this shitty fanbase?
Because they're still pushing their shitty headcanon except for what the show is saying. As stated the show did a really bad job of portraying Tekkadan because EVERYONE IN THE SHOW OTHER THAN TURBINES were worse than them. But much like this retard>>15536375 people are taking Nagai's excuses to heart

>Oh nooooes they kill people
>Oh nooooes they get revenge

Really? Compared to the shit everyone else is doing? I just don't understand what they were trying to do.

I love IBO because it pisses people off. It hurt peoples feelings kek
It's great Gundam

>>15536510
You are a sad strange little man and you have my pity.

>>15536510
Not really. The reactions have been pretty mild mostly because everyone stopped watching in S1. The only people who were pissed were the few suckers who stayed to watched.

>>15536532
You say most people stopped watching yet each episode at around 14 threads each week.

Nice try.

Why are people so hostile when it comes to this stupid anime?

>>15535016

Worse case scenario for Choco is basically Armored Core IV's starting scene. Gundams used to bring forth Pax Gjallarhorn where they are sent to resolve disputes. As we see in the game though, things never stay peaceful for long as Choco was going to think "We got more Gundams than Tekkadan and once I push Bael to it's limits." Choco would have a 2:1 Gundam Advantage since it will be likely the Kimaris is destroyed had Choco. What is clear with Choco is he values a society where those with cunning, brute force deserve to rule, not by birthright.

McMurdo was pretty clear what kind of fate that awaits Orga had he succeed, he is king of the kennel that would be the Mars Union but he is still ultimately a dog even if he basically ruled Mars.

>>15536084
>Tekkadan recruiting more children to fight.
I don't think they were actively recruiting kids. The only ones they got were the ones they started off with and the human debris they captured from pirates

>>15536629
>14 threads each week.
That was one autist spamming threads newshit. S1 threads were no where near as active due to how boring the show was. And this is not bringing up the fact that S2 was a ratings flop in Japan as well.

Nice try

>>15537527

Opening of season 2 says otherwise

>>15537531
Prove it is one guy and not just your paranoid delusional theory. If so also prove he has autism and not you having autism tourettes.

>>15537550
>Prove it is one guy
Even people in the threads told him to stop spamming threads also he always started threads with
>Ver. 0
to make it known it was him. He finally stopped towards the end and people were wondering where he went off to. Lurk moar newshit

>>15537556
>Even people in the threads told him to stop spamming threads also he always started threads with
That is not proof.