Who is the most skilled pilot in all of Gundam? This is including

>>15474382
HAHAHAHAHA no

>>15474432
Yeah it's probably Amuro

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Still the highest kill count out of any Gundam pilot ever.

>>15474378

Domon and Master Asia aren't pilots anyway, they're fighters.

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Flit, Asemu, Jamil & Seabook have exceptionally long combat experience.

>>15474441
Wasn't Quatre the pilot with the highest killcount in wing? He did destroy a colony with the zero's rifle.

Yazan, of course.

>>15474441
That's not Usso, >>15474382 that's Usso

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>>15474441
Stock footage has no weakness

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Yazan killed a ton of named characters and was one of the few villains who survived not just one series but two! Fucker goes on to be an ace for the Federation after the events of ZZ and is still mucking about somewhere, all without Newtype bollocks.
Yazan Gable is a stone cold motherfucker

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>>15474378
Usso, Kincaid or Tobia.

>>15474745
Shoots down newtypes and doesn't afraid of anything.

>>15474378
Already confirmed to be Amuro

>>15474378
Asemu Asuno. He's not a "newtype" or the series equivalent anyways and he still is able to defeat some ultra super gundam piloted by a powerful newtype.

>>15474745
I mean he's definitely the best non-Newtype pilot out there. But that doesn't change the fact that there are at least a dozen Newtypes who can wipe the floor with him easy.

Amuro in a Ball might be able to give him a run for his money

>>15474441
In terms of named characters, I'm pretty sure Prince Ali and Violator have the most.

>>15474441
skill and kill count are different things. in Trowa's retarded universe, he never has to dodge anything, and he achieves most of his kills by shooting all of his guns and missiles at the same time into a crowd of stationary Dynasty Warriors-esque paper enemies

I've always loved this clip of a (elite) grunt's perspective of fighting Amuro

https://youtu.be/zw8Raz4pMyw?t=239

it really instills that idea that this guy is the legend, the White Ghost

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>>15474745

> not a newtype

>>15475089
>Had to bring out the most overcompensating mobile armor in the franchise to make a difference
>Still got willed into magical suicide by a banana

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Probably this fellow, if I am remembering correctly.

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>>15474745
my niqqer

Amuro.
For Oldtypes, Ali al-Saachez.

>>15475247

I thought that was him resisting the stupid psychic shit newtypes do

>>15475629

I don't think baseline humans can perceive newtype telepathy in that way anyway.

>>15474745
Yazan also had the power of generating shading

>>15475629
Yazan was definitely a Newtype, that's why he and Scirrocco got along and innately understood one-another.

>>15474745
I liked the time he tied up a vegetarian and threw pig bones at him.

>>15474432
>>15474438
>>15475078
>>15475623
I don't know why /m/ sucks Amuro's dick so much. He's top tier but he's not the best of th best. I don't remember him doing flashy and impressive shit. He moves very simply.

>>15476362
Because Amuro's reaction time was incredible, getting shit done, and those simple moves got the job done.

Amuro's greatest strength was his reaction time, which is shown to still be pretty impressive all the way up to Crossbone Gundam.

>>15476377
>which is shown to still be pretty impressive all the way up to Crossbone Gundam
That was a artificially made cybernetic brain directly wired to a mobile suit, not a human body.

>>15476380
Not really sure it make any difference. They never point out that the Cyberbrain clones for Dogatie were faster/stronger than the original, and Callisto's Shadow Cyberbrain is never mentioned being any better than Callisto's Light

>>15476377
>Because Amuro's reaction time was incredible
If Amuro had a trademark maneuver aside from his tricks it would be this. He usually dodges at the last possible second with the least possible movement. Like goddamn, point blank dodges and very precise shooting are hype as fuck, even with old animation. There's no other pilot who moves like he does.

>>15474745
Yazan, if we're discounting newtype shenanigans. Dude's easily capable of throwing down with the fucking Red Comet.
Otherwise it's a tossup between Amuro and Kamille. Amuro's the better pilot by a wide margin, but Kamille's got newtype space wizardry out the ass.

>>15476402
The fact that it's wired directly into the suit means it bypasses the restrictions and slowdown of human body. G-forces won't be uncomfortable, nerve impulses go directly from the brain to the suit without needing to move the body.

>>15476428
And I'm saying it was never acknowledge as being any better than a live pilot in the setting.

The Calisto example would have been pretty notable, since it's mentioned they're both just as good at everything, so it stands to reason Shadow would be much better if he was just a Cyberbrain, but that was never reflected in the setting.

>>15476413
His dodge-tanking was fucking great. I really want to see what he could do with a Late-UC suit, because the whole "dodge this shit because armor ain't worth shit" battle paradigm fits him perfectly. And for the one or two occasions he gets caught off-guard, beam shields mean that he won't lose his shield.

>>15476439
Plus Beam Shields are detachable, which would fit well with his surprise attacks since Beam Shields would provide a great distraction.

Amuro had the best battle sense. He fought using the least amount of movement for the maximum energy efficiency.
Uso had the best ability to bring out everything a machine could offer.

In that regard Amuro's the best in large battle fields with a lot of enemies since his resource management will keep him in a fight longer than anyone else, while Uso is the best in 1 vs 1 because Uso won't hesitate to trash his entire machine going for the kill or win. They're different type of aces, but if they had ever ended up fighting together they'd have been a nightmare because Uso would break through the enemy lines and scatter the enemy while Amuro could do clean up.

In terms of magic plot power, it's a tossup between Kamille, Judou, Domon, and Kira

>>15476430
Why would they need to point out that it's faster than a flesh and blood body? Next you'll be telling me that psycommu control of a mobile suit isn't faster than manual control just because they never said so.

In what way would direct mental control of an MS not be a speed advantage?

>>15474378
>plot armor
I don't think you know what this means. Pretty much every MC and notable pilot in Gundam has had an instance of plot armor coming into effect at some point.

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Even though Amuro has defeated him in combat, I've never seen anyone come close to Char's style and talent with mobile suits.

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I like that the Gundam universe leaves the "best pilot" discussion open for debate. Macross only has one answer, and it's canon.

  amuro
yeah

>>15474438
So, what is the argument against Usso exactly?

>>15474378
If we're talking pure piloting skill its Char or Yazan. If we're taking newtype abilities into account its most likely Amuro.

>>15478997
So is Orguss a Macross series or isn't it

>>15479009
It's been ages since I watched Victory but I guess quality of opposition?

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Wins by default from sheer evasion technique.

>>15479076
>evasion

M8 his innate passive straight up nullifies fatal blows into slapstick comedic incapacitation.

>>15479076
99 luck with no diminishing returns

>>15476439
Amuro in an F91 would be a nightmare. You'd need to wipe the area with a High Mega Cannon or a Colony Laser once MEPE activated.

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>>15479076
Patrick is actually a abnormal survivor like Chirico, my personal headcanon

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>>15476413
>There's no other pilot who moves like he does

>>15476446
This seems like a fair assessment.

>>15479182
Well, it's not like he was a loner with no one else to talk to but the girl next door and was holed up in his room on a computer all day.

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>>15474441
only if you dont count the fleet of warships Usso sunk with the Keilas Guilie cannon.

>>15474786
Only if he stop holding back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbkpCvpBgug

>>15475586
He really is a Char Clone

>>15479426
>No longer content with merely being the Ultimate Coordinator, Kira Yamato learns how to hack the Matrix
Now we just need a sequel where Freedom fights hundreds of Providences by itself.

For newtypes, it has got to be Camille

For old types, it's mistah bushido

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01. Trowa Barton: 157 kills between Gundam Wing and Endless Waltz.
02. Amuro Ray: 145 kills between MSG(TV), Zeta and CCA.
03. Uso Ebbing: 141 kills in Victory Gundam alone.
04. Heero Yuy: 133 kills between Gundam Wing and Endless Waltz.
05. Wufei Chang: 108 kills between Gundam Wing and Endless Waltz.
06. Quatre Winner: 105 kills between Gundam Wing and Endless Waltz.
07. Duo Maxwell: 100 kills between Gundam Wing and Endless Waltz.
08. Zechs Merquise: 99 kills between Gundam Wing and Endless Waltz.
09. Kira Yamato: 94 kills between Gundam SEED(TV) and Gundam SEED Destiny.
10. Shinn Asuka: 92 kills in Gundam SEED Destiny alone.

>>15480126
>kills equal skill
fuck off

>>15480134
He never said that.

>>15479031
Orguss is whatever you want it to be.

>>15480126
Does Kira's count include his Freedom beam magic disabling shots, or only outright MS kills?

>>15480196
"Even though Kira mostly disables MS, I counted kills for MS that lost multiple limbs or a head or chest shots that in some way rendered an MS with approaching zero fighting ability."

Disabled suits are counted.

>>15478997
Discussing about Macross pilot skill is usually about figuring out who is the third best pilot, after Max and Milia, of course.

So if you placed all of the Gundam top aces in a standard GM with standard gear, who would win?

Because some MS are just pure cheese.

>>15480293
me

>>15479031

"Orguss was a mistake, it's nothing but trash"
-Ishiguro's ghost

>>15480293
Probably someone middling but talented like Char.

Kamille, Setsuna, Judau and all the other space wizards rely too much on their superpowers that a GM simply can't supplement properly.

Meanwhile the super aces like Amuro, Uso, Asemu and such are just too fucking good for their own well being. They'd tear their suits apart because their skull is greater than such an old machine can accommodate.

So the best bet are people who have always been an underdog in the space magic race, but learned to bring out the best of mediocre mobile suits. Char, Yazan, Woolf, maybe Kincade, and Graham are all candidates, though not the only ones.

>>15480354
>Kincade
Did he ever pilot anything that wasn't a high end MS besides that one Guntank in F91?

>>15480421
You might be right, I was mostly thinking of how he's shown as a much more technical fighter despite the biocomputer, never really doing much in the way of space magic.

>Banrise outright states Amuro is the best pilot
>Anon asks /m/ who is the best pilot
Seriously?

>>15480448

The biocomputer probably helped rather than went useless like you appear to be implying, since it's basic function is to help make control of a unit easier and more intuitive by relaying data directly to the pilot's brain and commands more directly to the unit. It probably would be capable of a lot of the space magic assistance of psycommu and psycoframe systems if F91 had become a full series, but as is it mostly just helped a complete novice fight better because it was such a friendly and transparent system.

>>15480466

Unless you also want to take Fukuda and Morosawa's word that Kira is the bestest at everything as well then it should be pretty easy to understand that just because an authority of some kind says a thing is true doesn't mean you take it at face value and don't think about it or try and work it out yourself.

Besides, "best" is a very vague term and can hold quite a few different meanings. Is Amuro the best pilot in a purely technical sense of moving a unit around, or the best at executing tricks and traps of various kinds? Is he the best at aiming and shooting, or at melee fighting? Does space magic count as part of piloting? Does "best" at piloting mean all of it, or just part of it?

>>15483139
>Is Amuro the best pilot in a purely technical sense of moving a unit around, or the best at executing tricks and traps of various kinds? Is he the best at aiming and shooting, or at melee fighting? Does space magic count as part of piloting? Does "best" at piloting mean all of it, or just part of it?
You forgot
>And why do people care about any of this in the first place?
No, seriously. Why?

>>15483166

They like Gundam and want to discuss it's various details. Why do you have a problem with people doing that?

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>>15480421
Dun think so, but in Crossbone he defeated the Death trio using an arm-less Crossbone Gundam. You could say it's Hasegawa writing.

>>15483191
I don't know if I have a problem so I'm curious about the reasoning.

>>15483207

It doesn't need a deep reason, curiosity about something you like and boredom alone can explain it.