Anyone here ever seen any of the Gamera films? I'm on a

>>15441278
Only seen one and it was shit in the usual old kaiju way, meaning it's campy and kind of entertaining.

>>15441278
The 90s ones are quite good.
The older ones can get kinda goofy but usually manage to entertain at least.

The MST3k versions from season 3 have some heavy time edits and the KTMA seasons are all nth gen VHS copies.
Funny to watch but not a good way to see the movies.

>>15441289

So wait, watch Viras and Jiger and what else?

>>15441341
I enjoyed Jiger for the Expo content, the sub, and Cornjob's other time in a Gamera

>>15441341

I might just end up watching the Heisei and Millenium era stuff because idk how much I can deal with Showa silliness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXkMfyjo7PU

>>15441357
Yeah you probably won't deal well with early Gamera.
The first two are relatively serious but after that it's Hero Monster and Friend Of Children all day erry day.

>>15441278

The more modern ones are pretty cool but the others are pretty much just cheap kids movie godzilla knock offs

>>15441278
Showa Gamera is pretty not good. Heisei Gamera is fucking fantastic, some of the best effects you'll find in toku.

The Show Era films can be right bad and right goofy, but do they ever have some brutal monster brawls.

If you're up to watching one Showa film, Gamera vs. Gyaos pobablyu captures that era the best.

and yes, the Gamera Trilogy is great.

>>15441428

where do you guys fucking download this shit? rutracker has everything in russian and torrentday doesn't have shit like this

>>15441448
I bought the DVD but you can found all the version of the movies here, just pick what you want.
https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/10607632/Gamera

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>>15441515
And exept the 2nd showa movie ... They are all pretty mediocre, entertaining but just watch the second if you don't have time for stupid kaiju fights.

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no one has any comment on this one?

>>15441574
An attempt at bringing Gamera back to Showa roots after the Trilogy.

Then combine the overly cute design and the lack of Gamera's roar...

It's not a bad film, just a noticeable step down from having to follow some of the best Kaiju films of the 90s.

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>>15441448
>download
heh

90's trilogy was easily the best series of monster movies since the Showa Godzilla series. They're way more visually engaging than the contemporary Heisei Godzilla series and had characters that could easily hold you over.

>>15441278
I remember reading something about tentacle rape happening in one of its movies

>>15441574
No joke, it's one of my favorite kaiju flicks. I like it a little bit more each time I see it.

Showa movies are campy and fun. The 90's trilogy is really great, they blow away Toho during the same period with a fraction of the budget.

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>>15441517
I can't believe Daiei put out that piece of shit the same year, ON THE SAME DAY as an objecitvely superior masterpiece like Daimajin.
Oh sorry Gamercucks I forgot you don't watch good movies.

>>15441757
>best series of monster movies since the Showa Godzilla series.

Yes what a high standard Vs Gigan and Vs Megalon set for that era.

90s films are incredible.
Love Legion's design.

>>15441988
Because the original Godzilla film and the line of good movies between 1962-1968 don't exist?

>>15442072
>King Kong vs Godzilla
>Ebirah
>Son of Godzilla

What

High

Standards.......

>>15442083
>Mothra vs Godzilla
>Ghidrah the Three Headed Monster
>Invasion of the Astro Monster
>Destroy all Monsters

I

CAN

CHERRY PICK

TOO!

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>>15441983
Well I have not seen this one yet, but it's on my drive waiting until I finish all the Godzilla and Honda's films.
Just, calm down and evrything will be fine.


>>15442083
Not him but you seem to have forget quite a few movies like Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster, Mothra vs. Godzilla, Invasion of Astro-Monster and Destroy All Monsters.
And if you wait a bit you have a series of good films as well, like Hedorah, and Terror of Mechagodzilla.

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>>15442198
Don't bother you fucking faggot. Just delete it and replace it with something more your style like interracial porn.

>>15442158
Destroy All Monsters is dull. It's an uninspired retread of Monster Zero without the charismatic characters. People hype it up because of the number of monsters it features and most of those are cameos.

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>>15441448
>download

>>15442083

How the hell are those even bad? KKvG easily has one of the best character in the series, Ebirah's entire cast holds you over until the big effects shots and Son Of Godzilla is the most emotionally charged movie in the franchise outside of the original. Outside of some effects shots and some ugly suits they're solid films that are better than everything that came after the 1968. (With the obvious exception of Shin Godzilla)

>>15442209
DAM is dull and it certainly isn't as good as Monster Zero, but the sheer spectacle of the effects scenes can easily make somebody a fan of the movie. It's really visually engaging, thanks to the effects director's experience in cinematography.

>>15442348
Showafag level of delusion never gets old.
What makes me laugh is that you probably talk shit about Showa Ultraman or Kamen Rider. Neck yourself you fucking redditor piece of shit and stop poisoning the internet with your white knighting mediocre movies you come from some rose-colored boomer utopia where it's OK to suck the cock of old shit because they're old.

>>15441278
>Great Tier
Advent of Legion
Vs. Barugon

>Good Tier
Guardian of the Universe
Revenge of Iris
The Original
Vs. Gyaos

>Meh Tier
Vs. Jiger
Gamera The Brave

>Shit Tier
The rest of them.

>>15442373
Bold and original response.

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>>15442390
How else should one respond to somebody who clearly suffers from fucking brain damage? Why not just grow a pair and end the nightmare and put a bullet in your diseased fucking brain you retarded AIDs victim.

>>15442348
>Son of Godzilla is superior to Mechagodzilla

ok kid

>>15442419

Mechagodzilla is pretty decent but it's nowhere near as good as SoG. The movie basically amounts to "Okinawins are treated badly lol"

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>>15442436
>nowhere near as good as SoG.

This is the new level of autismal contrarianism. That I know for a fact that you're a pretentious autist is the only reason I won't call this as bait, which is what it would be if you were anywhere near a normal human.

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>>15442436
DUDE THE BAD MOVIES ARE ACTUALLY THE GOOD ONES AND THE GOOD ONES ARE ACTUALLY THE BAD ONES IM A FUCKIN GENIUS LMAO!!!!

OP here, I just saw Guardian of the Universe and... it was good, I guess

It's hard to sit through all the boring plot and exposition but all of the effects were great, I was hoping for more of an actual brawl at the end though. The scene on the bridge was actually pretty cool and I actually had this sense of "oh god I hope the kid comes out alright" that 2014 Godzilla just didn't make me feel.

Maybe I won't see as many kaiju films as I initially thought, will finish the heisei era though

>>15442455
How am I a contrarian when way more people like SoG than hate it?

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>>15442528
People might like SoG, but way more people like Vs. Mechagodzilla than SoG. Generally vs. Mechagodzilla and Terror of Mechagodzilla are considered some of the best in Showa and a welcome return after a lot of shit films.

>>15442528
sure thing sweetie

>>15442546

Even though I don't like the showa silliness, and sat through Vs Mothra bored, I remember really liking MechaGodzilla, I never knew it was a general consensus, should I see Terror then?

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>>15442560
Terror is basically the perfect version of the standard Showa formula of aliens invade and bring a kaiju along. It's actually surprisingly dark. As in, the darkest Godzilla movie since Raids Again.

>>15442546
The Showa Mechagodzilla movies are definitely fan favorites but SoG is getting a ton of appreciation nowadays. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a flip flop like when the Heisei series used to be praised and is now considered to be the most aged of the bunch.

>>15442575
> SoG is getting a ton of appreciation nowadays
>I wouldn't be surprised if we see a flip flop like when the Heisei series used to be praised and is now considered to be the most aged of the bunch.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were a deluded motherfucker making shit up based on your own ass backwards view of the world you stupid son of a bitch. Take your head out of your fat fucking ass and actually look beyond the small number of numale furry roleplayers you associate with for once.

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>>15442206
What's your problem, bitch?

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>>15442575
Yeah, I agree with >>15442592
I have never seen SoG praised to the degree you are, and generally Heisei is still seen as the best of the franchise (even though I disagree). Seems like you're just making shit up.

>>15442592
The richest Showafag commits more crimes than the poorest Heisei fag.

>>15442605

you know, in the film, I didn't mind how Shin Godzilla looked, but here, bleh, he needs bigger eyes, Godzilla's eyes were, to me at least, his most lovable quality and part of what made him feel kinda relatable, eyes do that.

>>15442622
I think that's precisely why his eyes are smaller now. Shin wasn't made to be relatable, but to be menacing.

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>>15442575
sure thing buddy
To the Japs, ie the only fans who actually matter, Heisei Godzilla is still 'the' Godzilla until Shin came along, and it's not nostalgia either since a ton of modern fans are high school kids.

>>15442646

yeah it hit me right after I posted that, idk, I kinda like the design but I hope he gets a redesign

>>15442605
Outside of the reddit and Kaiju Combat crowd I've never seen a large amount of people claim the Heisei series to be the best. Which makes sense, considering that the Showa series has a way bigger cultural impact in the US and was a lot more accessible for a long time, not to mention easier for non fans to get into.

>>15442648
That is simply false.

>>15442685
Speak for yourself you dumb motherfucker

>>15442648
In a poll where Japs voted for their favorite Godzilla movie (where Biollante was number one lol) the average age of the voters was in the 30's. A huge amount of Japanese Godzilla fans are nostalgic for the Heisei series. It helps that Kawakita pushed for a standardized design and shoehorned it in whenever he got the chance. No high school kids who supposedly love the Heisei series make up the majority of the fanbase. Godzilla was fucking dead in Japan since the market was oversaturated with shitty monster movies. Godzilla only became popular with Shin Godzilla (which has a ton of Showa influence).

>>15442648
If only Jap fans opinion matter does that mean that your opinion does not matter?

>>15442668
I've consistently seen fans say they like Heisei. Casuals don't even know what an eiga is or what the difference is between Showa, Heisei or Millenium.

Actually, on another note, have we decided upon a name for the current eiga? I feel like we've been in a fresh wave of kaiju films since Pacific Rim and it deserves a name at this point.

>>15442668
Nice try buddy. Showafags are almost always middle aged faggots who grew up watching Showa on TV but never watched anything afterwards (or the real version of 54) and think Godzilla absolutely must be Vs Megalon or Godzilla's Revenge or it's "too serious" or "not fun". Unfortunately most of those retards post on /m/ like you do.

>>15442702
The CGI era.

We can also call it the actually-interesting-era-where-we-didn't-rehash-everything-again era.

>>15442697

Shin Godzilla having Showa influence? really? To me it felt like one of the ones that takes only the original as an influence, except I don't remember if the original had him shooting energy beams and stuff

>>15442707
I'm curently watching the Heisei film right after the Showa stuff, and Heisei is really empty so far.
Sure it's less goofy than the earlier films, but there is no deeper meaning to it, it's simply fights, destructions scene and empty dialogues.

I have not watched the 2000's films yet, but I hope it's get better.
Shin looks interesting.

>>15442733
>it's simply fights, destructions scene and empty dialogues.

So like every movie after the original

>>15442721
Shin Godzilla constantly reuses Ifukube's old themes, it references Son of Godzilla's Goro Maki, and the ending is a huge callback to Battle In Outer Space where humanity joins together to fight against a common threat while the BIOS theme plays. The majority of Honda's fantasy films have similar, optimistic themes about humanity, including BIOS.

>>15442733
Don't fault the movies for your own ignorance you stupid son of a bitch.

>>15442746
This nigga is mad.

>>15442740
>>15442746
Did you watch Showa's films ? They are as full of references toward nuclear as the original. Just get passed the silly but fun fights.
Heisei is all serious in surface, but is shalow at best.

Well maybe not the bad one, but the majority of Honda's are.

>>15442740
King Kong VS Godzilla was about commercialization, Mothra vs Godzilla was the same but shined a new light on foreigner's distrust for others. Ghidrah took it a step further and was all about people banding up against the bigger threat. Monster Zero was about people's overreliance on technology and what happens when one technologically superior civilization encounters an inferior one. Ebirah is just about how China is bad blahblahblah. Son of Godzilla is all about the next generation. I'm not going to talk about the other movies because everything after Godzilla's Revenge becomes far more blatant.

>>15442768
No they aren't you lying fuck, the danger of the nuclear age gets thrown out of the window in favor of retarded alien fights, Godzilla dancing and fuckall else that would make then a quick buck.

>>15442775
>King Kong VS Godzilla was about commercialization

pretty funny since that awful movie was only made as a satire that banked off of the two big monster names

>>15441983
>>15442206
Daimajin was awful, bro. It was literally an hour of a dull period drama and then five minutes of some edgy god having a tempter tantrum. It doesn't hold a candle close to Showa Godzilla or Gamera.

>>15442791
No wonder you prefer the Heisei era, it's indeed far more simple in term of symbolism.

The Heisei films are good piece of entertainement, but should never be considere more than that, even Biolante that so many love is not that impressive in term of special effects, and the Ghidorah film was awfull, with his time travel bullshit.

>>15442791
Because the dangers of the nuclear age are present in Godzilla vs Mothra 1992 and Spacegodzilla right? Or Godzilla vs King Ghidorah? Those beam fights really sell the horrors of nuclear war.

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>>15442800
You people are human garbage and deserve only death.

>>15442812
Ghidorah was about the economy.
You realize there was a reason the final battle was at the 'tax tower' right?

>>15442813
Why don't you try to actually defend this movie and tell us what merit it has. Because it just amounts to a giant generic samurai going on a temper tantrum with some threadbare special effects that Honda and Tsuburaya put to shame for over a decade.
Nobody in here is even pretending Showa toku is good; old Rider and Ultraman are indeed garbage, but Godzilla was a cut above for a reason because the people who worked on them were intelligent, talented and passionate. This just looks like a giant Jason Vorhees as a samurai.

>>15442818
Tell me more about "the economy".

>>15442818
Really makes you think in contrast to those silly cheesy Showa flicks.

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>>15442825
>old Rider and Ultraman are indeed garbage, but Godzilla was a cut above

>>15442827
Ghidorah was basically all about how Japan would become a superpower if it weren't for those pesky white people.

>>15442745

but the theme they're always using is Decisive Battle from Evangelion? I'm pretty sure at the end.

>>15442834
the gold color represented the Gold Standard, the three heads represented global trade balance

>>15442835
They remix Decisive Battle a ton but the climax with all of the buildings tumbling down uses the BIOS theme.

>>15442827
Do you think it was coincidence that the movie was about future Americans coming back in time to destroy Japan during a time where there was huge economic strain between the USA and Japan?
Also the tax tower was a severely criticized project and seen as nothing but a immense boondoggle so watching it get blown to pieces was considered cathartic to the Japanese the same way the diet building getting stepped on was in the original.

>>15442840
really fires up the synapses

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>>15442825
....But Ultraman was Tsuburaya?
are Godzilla showafags not only this pretentious and deranged but fucking retardedly ignorant too?

>>15442843
the original ghidorah movies were about dominating or normalizing trade relations with the USA
in the first one Japan tries to take on the USA alone in direct competition, but then later Japan has to work with other countries to disrupt the USA's destruction as it works under command of ((((Men From Planet X)))))

>>15442850
kek

>>15442849
No Honda. Ultraman is and always was a soulless product only there to sell toys. There's literally no meaning or message to it. Just a giant moralfag from planet krypton who pulls a new power out of his ass and really shitty human characters compared to 60's Godzilla.

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>>15442825
>Great cinematography and effects only matter when muh godzilla did it despite all the old Godzilla's looking like trash in comparison to the Daimajin trilogy and being completely inferior from a technical standpoint

>>15442862
so you're all edgelords on top of it all, great, how much more endearing can you get?

>>15442862
I can't wait for the screeching "haha 60's godzilla s-sucks too" response

>>15442876
You being an ignorant edgelord piece of shit was leagues more meaningful an argument, I agree.

>>15442843
That's genuily interesting, I didn't know that.

I am still thinking this is more about Japan taking it's responsability (it's one of the first Godzilla's film to mention WWII so directly), in science with Biolante and in economic with Ghidorah (and nothing with the 84 film).

But if you are able to overthink this movie like >>15442840 did, you should be able to notice that Ghidorah when it's first appear in the 60s was meant to contrast with the more and more friendly godzilla, and to remind the public of the constant threat that was the atomic bomb, and how godzilla while it seem friendly and defend Japan against evil-kaiju, is allways associated with destruction in some way ? Didn't that remind of some sort of a warning toward civil nuclear ? And the fact the scientists are never capable of containing godzilla is also quite eloquent.

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>>15442876
How do you reconcile the fact that there's not a single Godzilla movie from the 60's on par with Ultraseven? Oh I forget you don't know what that is.

>>15442883
Ghidorah was the threat from space, it had nothing to do with bomb. It's complete science fiction bad alium gonna get us trash.

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>>15442883
>I didn't know that.

Yeah no fucking shit. Why don't you try to learn English while you're at it before talking shit you fucking BR mud monkey.

>>15442883
>with the more and more friendly godzilla,

Yeah because they turned Godzilla from a metaphor of the atomic bomb to a bullied retard who doesn't like how mankind picks on him and demands an apology from other monsters and needs a STRONG INDEPENDENT WOMYN to teach him bravery.

>>15442892
Every Godzilla film is a sci-fi flick with no meaning at all then, even the original one.

>>15442900
Or maybe they turn Godzilla into some sort of a representation of civil usage of nuclear energy. Something Japan don't really want but need anyway, like Godzilla, which protect them and cause massive dammage to the county.

>>15442902
>a horrific and lasting reminder of something that actually happened vs something that even 50 years later there's no proof exists or is a threat

Nice try

>>15442919
The japs were genuily affraid of all the nuclear test in the pacific, and maybe evryone was a bit scared of a nuclear war in the 60s, due to something name the cold war.

>>15442925
What a compelling argument you ESL reject. Keep watching the skies for the aliums, I'm sure they'll be here any day.

>>15442935
You should really watch "living in fear" by Akira kurosawa, a really close friend of Honda to get a grasp of this fear back then.
Whether it was justified or not doesn't matter.

Why is there one really pissed off Heisei fag today lmao

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>>15442954
Don't generalize since Godzilla Showacucks like to piss on all other Showa toku too and generally excel at making themselves completely deserving on their bad reputation.

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>>15442954
I'm only here just because subhu/m/ans talked shit about Daimajin while sucking the cock of movies they maintain are superior because there' a man in a Barney costume dancing in them.

>>15442900
in A Space Godzilla we learn that Godzilla is a single mother who dies from diabetes

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>>15442862
>>15442873
What irony you're bitching about 'moralfags' while defending to the death an era where Godzilla became a superhero. Hey at least Ultraman actually started as a hero and didn't need to be utterly bastardized from his original purpose.

>>15443001
Godzilla was never a hero in any of the good Showa movies. I generally can't stand moralfags in any form of media or story. The reason I could never stomach Gamera is because he was supposed to be a hero. It's utterly retarded and just there to pander to the retarded kid audience.
Children tend to enjoy moral centric protagonists. It appeals to the moral policeman freshly instilled in their young brain. Older audiences tend to enjoy characters who are reflective of real people, characters who are morally ambiguous or at the very least are logically fleshed out.
Adults who cling to black and white heroes are essentially overgrown children. It is likely they own every silly piece of plastic Nintendo has spawned and think the Nintendo Switch is an innovation. This is basically why I can't stomach any toku besides Showa Godzilla.

>>15443087
kill yourself

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So can any Showa Godzilla faggot explain to me why they feel the need to not only aggressively defend and demand everyone consider those movies the best things ever made but also aggressively deride every other special effects work as being garbage? Care to justify this at all? Or are you so far above the rest of us you won't bother?

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Mega-Turtle > Gamera

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>>15443131
because clearly nothing could match the depth of this incredible scene, everything else is for dumb poo poo heads. I'm definitely not trying to relive my youth because my current life is utterly worthless by treating these movies like pure flawless gold or anything!!!

>>15443131
Shitting on other works is how these retards seek validation. They've chosen the era of Vs Megalon and Vs Gigan as the hill to die on.

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>>15443131
Every Godzilla thread on /m/ always comes down to the same obvious 1-3 Showa fags circlejerking each other, praising the fuck out of those movies while disregarding everything else as beneath them. Thankfully when one of these very obvious faggots tried to push his shit on /tv/ he got torn a new asshole but they basically stifle all discussion here that doesn't fit their view.They also obviously shitpost other threads and never shut the fuck up about how inferior Series _______ is to Showa Godzilla and Heisei Gamera. It gets old really but autism of this magnitude is basically weapons grade.

Why does every Godzilla movie after Biollante suck so bad?

>>15443861
Why don't you go back to lebbit and kill yourself on the way there?

>>15443861

Profit margins.

Biollante was expensive and wasn't much of a money maker.

Godzilla VS King Ghidorah was a success but the director from Biollante returned. While provitable, Omori was an ambitious, albeit sloppy, filmmaker. His films were more expensive than they needed to be. The money men realized all they really needed was a recognizeable foe and Ifukube to make bank.

That's why Omori just did the writing after Ghidorah.

>>15443131
Kamen Rider is a pretty good show, so are the showa godzilla. What are you trying to prove here ?

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>>15443901
That you're a disingenuous sack of shit trying to backpeddle because you're not used to voices of dissent challenging you in your little circle jerk echo chamber. Answer my goddamn question you fucking cockroach. Why is it that the only way you can laud praise on MUH 60's GOZIRA is by shitting on everything else,? Can you answer this or do you need an interpreter to even grasp the question?

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There is literally not a single Godzilla movie made in the 60's with cinematography on par with this one frame alone. Honda would just plop the camera down in a wide shot and that would be the extent of his cinematic endeavors.
You know what came out the same year as Daimajin? Godzilla vs Ebirah. That is the movie you faggots are seriously holding up as a worthy contender. Do you really expect to be taken seriously?
And don't even bother going off again about Ultraman because there are single scenes of Ultraseven that put the entirety of Godzilla's filmography from that same time to complete and utter shame.

>>15442974
Have you ever thought about honestly just killing yourself? Your autistic responses over something so trivial as "these people don't like this movie I like" really show that you probably aren't well liked in real life.

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>>15443956
>MUH HONDA
>EVERY SPECIAL EFFECTS MOVIE EVER MADE AFTER 1968 IS SHIT
>THIS MOVIE PEOPLE MOSTLY DISLIKE IS ACTUALLY A MASTERPIECE YOU JUST DON'T GET IT
>SON OF GODZILLA IS A FUCKING MASTERPIECE YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU PLEB

wew

>>15443956
about the sort of passive aggressive response as one would expect from a typical Show a Godzilla numale factor who doesn't like his shitty narrative being bucked

>>15443967
>>15443983
Jokes on you two, the only Godzilla movies I've seen were Final Wars & Destroy All Monsters years ago. I only came in here to see what people said about Gamera and found some people circlejerking on some old movies and one sad autistic child crying about his big samurai movie.

>>15443885
Oh okay. Good to know.

>>15443949
>giant toy samurai against a backdrop
>good cinematography

>>15444019
>being so autistic you can't tell the difference between an actor and a prop
>he says this while circlejerking a franchise where the lead character dresses up as a dinosaur and smashes into other toy dinosaurs

>>15444019
To watch your Marvel movies

>>15444029
Leave the Samurai kino to Kurosawa, not a bankrupt movie studio like Daiei.

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So, any thoughts on the general designs of the Gamera kaiju?

Personally, I really liked Irys' design.

>>15443908
B-But I like the other kaiju movies and series of the showa era.

>>15444092
No you don't. They weren't directed by muh Honda.

>>15444102
Honda canot make fight scenes as exciting as the kamen rider one.
Seriously these fights are one of the best action scene out here, they even compete with some HK choreographies.

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>>15444164
you're right but you're gonna get crucified in here for saying so

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>>15444071
Iris is a bit too busy for my liking. Legion is my favorite of his monsters. A very unique silhouette, and it doesn't fight like the standard monster.

>>15441278
I have all of them except The Brave.

Shows Gamera movies are one of those things where you need to just enjoy the pure cheese and fun of them. They're a blast to watch. Avoid Super Monster, though.
Personal favorite Showa movies are Jiger, Viras, Barugon, and Gaos.

The Trilogy is god tier, with GOTU being my favorite of the three. Legion isn't quite as good as the other two, but it still has some awesome moments.

>>15442083
Fuck you, Kong vs. Godzilla was great.

>>15444071
I always loved how simple yet unique they all look in the Showa era.
I loved how in the Heisei era they kept that unique feeling, but made the designs a bit more unnerving and detailed.

How come for Godzilla the Showa series was the only time it was consistently good while Kamen Rider and Ultraman only became good in the last 2 decades?

>>15442253
The Mill Creek DVD releases are criminally bad. The Heisei movies especially, since they have improperly timed subs that are full of typos and don't bother to translate any of the on-screen text.

>>15443193
It's adorable when you guys get so riled up anytime someone attacks Heisei. Showa opposition consists of little more than tired harping on maybe three minutes worth of screen time across several films or cherry-picking a couple of films already universally agreed to be bad. Rarely an argument about why Heisei is the gold standard of the franchise.

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>>15445635
It's no surprise you're so intolerant of other's views when your head is so far up your ass. What's more hilarious is how you double down and not only never shut the fuck up about Showa but actively attack any other toku from the same time and even today.

>>15445285
Case in point. Why do you bother even discuss those series when it's beyond obvious you are wholly ignorant of them? Can you answer that, you pretentious samefagging fuck?

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>>15445717
You do realize that you responded to two different people, right? What was that about having a head up an ass? Time for some self-reflection. In before you double down on the samefag accusations and throw in a few more insults for good measure. Talk about stifling discussion. And pointing out the limited range of your tactics doesn't make me intolerant.

>>15445784
>I-I-IT WASN'T ME SAMFAGGING EVEN THOUGH I'VE BEEN CAUGHT DOING THIS BEFORE YOU POOPOOHEAD

Sure thing sweetie.
Also what 'tactics'? Are you literally insane? Do you believe you're fighting some kind of war? You do legit seem unhinged and self-important to the point of narcissism so I can believe it.

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>>15445635
all you do every time is stick your fingers in your ears and screech about how every toku ever made is garbage compared to Honda's Godzilla work in the 60's and you are utterly unable to wrap your head around anyone daring thinking otherwise. this is literally your only argument and always is. everyone who sucks you cock is a good boy and everyone who doesn't is a dumb heisei fag. grow up. you've managed to piss off far more than just heisei fags with your faggotry. you speak for nobody but yourself and making it up that your view is somehow the majority is not going to endear anyone to you any further.

>>15445831
I've posted in this thread twice (three times with this post).

You're free to blindly accuse anyone of holding the same opinion to be a samefag. But I'm the delusional one? Should I start adamantly claiming everyone who posts something slightly resembling your thoughts is a samefag? Maybe I'll start.

It's a conversation you nitpicking, prick. You know where people argue for why and what they believe.

And quite predictably, you're still dishing out personal insults instead of engaging with the original point. If I say X is better than Y, I'm "intolerant", "unhinged", "insane", "pretentious", and whatever terms you decide to pull out of the dictionary next. However, you saying Y is better than X is perfectly okay and you know it's objective truth because reasons.

>>15445845
>all you do every time is stick your fingers in your ears and screech about how every toku ever made is garbage compared to Honda's Godzilla work in the 60's and you are utterly unable to wrap your head around anyone daring thinking otherwise

Never said this. And now you people are just outright making things up. Don't respond to me again.

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>>15445997
i am responding to you again

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>>15445997
You're the only person in here getting immensely butthurt that not every considers Godzilla movies from the 60's (before a line you arbitrarily draw, by the way) is anything short of a masterpiece. We both know you've posted far more than three times so please drop that farce.
Once again the issue is your stating, aggressively and abrasively, that what you believe is objective, but then act indignant if you're challenged. This works on /m/ but I saw how it didn't work so good for you on /tv/. But we'll pretend that didn't happen so as not to bruise that already clearly fragile ego you're nursing there.
And before you even throw out some uninspired insult like H-H-H-HEISEIFAG I generally prefer Ultraman, which as we've seen you didn't waste a second to insult because MUH HONDA WAS BETTER!!!

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>>15446052
> butthurt
> fragile ego
I'm really not. This is the least of my worries.

>anything short of a masterpiece
Never said this. Nor do I believe it.

> We both know you've posted far more than three times so please drop that farce.
Dude. I really haven't.

> Once again the issue is your stating, aggressively and abrasively
> then act indignant if you're challenged
So a person should change their opinion whenever someone disagrees with them? Explaining why you think one way or another is a bad thing?

And isn't calling the Showa films garbage the same thing you accuse me of doing? At least be consistent, mate. We have completely different tastes when it comes to kaiju. The best thing to do is lay off the personal attacks and discuss why you prefer what you prefer.

> Ultraman
> which as we've seen you didn't waste a second to insult because MUH HONDA WAS BETTER!!!
When did I insult Ultraman? I have no problem with the character or franchise.

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>>15444852

Multiple people like the Showa series but it's totally one dude samefagging.

inb4 "MUH HONDA" "HEAD UP YOUR ASS" "AUTIST" "STOP TRASHING OTHER TOEKOO"

>>15446052
Why is ultraman a cross eyed fuck damn are those the eyeholes for the actor they didn't even try to hide it lmaoooo the paint application is so bad. How could Tsuburaya stoop down to this level?

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>>15446583

OP here again, I watched Terror of MechaGodzilla

it was okay, if that's the best Showa Godzilla has to offer I think I'm gonna leave it at that and move on to the Heisei films. There were way too many characters, almost all of them poorly defined and confusingly written, the fight at the end was cool, and it starts off well, and in concept, I actually thought it was pretty plausible, so that's good.

I downloaded Yamato Takeru and I'm tempted to download Daimaijin because of this thread

>>15446623
Heisei is just beam wars and no physical fighting.

>>15446632

oh, I kinda noticed that during Gamera, no actual brawling, and like, between the two films, they don't seem all that different? maybe it's because I'm a film nerd but like, the heisei era stuff seems a bit better shot and slightly more serious but overall it still feels like fun giant monster stuff? Like follows the exact formula and everything. Just seems a bit better done in Heisei era stuff

>>15446639
No. Gamera at least TRIED to vamp up the physical fights. Godzilla in the 80s and 90s is gently bumping into each other, and then just spitting beams.

>>15446661

yeah but it's still nothing compared to what I was seeing in Terror

>>15446623
>There were way too many characters, almost all of them poorly defined and confusingly written, the fight at the end was cool, and it starts off well, and in concept, I actually thought it was pretty plausible, so that's good.

You just summarized the Heisei series. A lot of those movies suffer from their reliance on way too many unnecessary and underdeveloped characters, overwritten yet simplistic plots and awkwardly defined messages, and some take themselves too seriously for their own good.

Heisei is notable for having recurring characters, but they are mostly there as an afterthought, like "Hey, this characters is here to remind you that this film is a sequel to the last. Don't expect them to do much." And sadly, sometimes even Godzilla feels like he's only there for the sake of being there.

Case in point: the 1992 Godzilla vs Mothra movie, which was originally supposed to be a Mothra film and Godzilla got added in later on, serving little to no purpose in the plot other than to fight and wreck stuff. Although I advise ignoring that movie altogether, it's just so badly put together.

>>15446623
>if that's the best Showa Godzilla has to offer
I don't think I've seen that many people suggesting that. Most would point to the earlier movies as the highpoint of Showa. I think Terror of MG is mostly considered good in the sense that it's not as shoddy as the early 70s films, but on its own, it's still a corny mess.

Though personally, I think both the two Showa MG movies and many of Ishiro Honda's early Godzilla films are overrated. But if I were to choose a best Showa film, it would probably be the original, Godzilla vs Mothra, or Invasion of Astro-Monster. Though all are very different in tone and presentation, they have that balance of tighter scripts, decent plots, passable and somewhat memorable characters, and a not overly uneven tone.

However, one thing Terror does have over them is the spectacular and more creative fights and cinematography.

>>15448079

Well of course the original film is the best showa but like, we're usually talking about besides that one.

I watched Mothra years ago and found it painfully silly but I might have more tolerance for it now. So far it seems that Heisei era has great effects and more attention to cinematography and mood but that's about it, with the way people talk about it here I was honestly expecting more.

Hopefully Shin Godzilla, with it's actual social commentary and decent writing, will bring about more interesting kaiju films in Japan.

>>15448097
>I was honestly expecting more.
That's how I felt about a lot of the films when I got into Godzilla. Expectations should be kept at a reasonable level and opinions taken with a grain of salt because fans tend to vastly overstate how good their favorite films are.

For example when I first saw the ending to Godzilla vs Destoroyah out of context and read what it's about, I felt it was a well done, powerful scene. But when I sat through the entire movie, it sort of lost its impact on me. Not that it's a terrible movie, but it suffers from many of the questionable Heisei hallmarks.

Agreed on Shin. The franchise has fucked itself over too many times with its over-reliance on worn out tripe and catering too much to kids and nostalgic fans. While I wasn't blown away by Shin, I welcomed that it injected some relevant commentary back into the series and tried out some new things with Godzilla.

>>15448255

it's not just that they do commentary, it's that they do commentary NOT ABOUT NUKES, I honestly love Anno, I don't care what anyone says.

Has toho made any announcement about other film plans? Besides Monster Planet which is its own thing.

On the other hand, it'll be kinda cool to see Mothra and King Ghidrah in the theatre and in an American film, but I have a feeling they'll find some way to give them boring designs and ruin it

>>15448267
Some rumors circulated a while back about followups to Shin, but they were based on people misinterpreting Anno's words. He was talking about future movies in general, like the anime film (which they plan to expand into a trilogy) or the American ones, not about an actual Shin sequel. So as of now, far as I'm aware, we only know about those two projects.

>>15441574
It's okay. Most fans hate it because it has kids and a cute Gamera right after the edgiest entry in the series.

>>15441776
Gamera 3 from 1999

>>15441983
Pulgasari did it better, bro

If you think Gigan and Megalon are at all representative of the entire Showa series you're an idiot

>>15442083
>names three of the best movies
Shit taste detected

>>15442419
Anything with Minilla in it >>>>>>>>>>> Mechacuckzilla

>>15442458
>Son of Godzilla
>bad movie
Pick one, retard

>>15442546
>Generally vs. Mechagodzilla and Terror of Mechagodzilla are considered some of the best in Showa
Maybe of the seventies films, but of Showa as a whole? Definitely not.

>>15442560
>don't like the showa silliness
>sat through Vs Mothra bored
What's it like being 12 years old?

>>15442697
>the market was oversaturated with shitty monster movies
From 2005 to 2016 there was, what, Gamera the Brave and a couple low budget parody movies like Death Kappa and Monster X Strikes Back? That is not oversaturated at all.

>>15442702
>casuals don't even know what an eiga is
>have we decided the name of the new eiga?
Eiga is Japanese for "movie."

>>15442721
>Shin Godzilla having Showa influence? really?
Anno is a huge Showafag and loves Jet Jaguar, so yes. Really.

>>15442740
>Some fag who's never actually watched a Showa Godzilla movie besides 1954

>>15442791
>a 12 year old

>>15448849

So, uh, what? 12 year olds like Heisei and dislike Showa era stuff, then?

>>15442253
>>15445717
this cost me less than a $ per film, not gonna complain about some only average subs

>>15448857
Huh so it is. I swore it was alternatively used for the different Godzilla eras but I'm remembering wrong.

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>>15448833
>>15448849
What's hilarious is that you spend threads upon threads bitching about Showa Ultraman and Rider but then turn around and defend dogshit and hurling accusations of underage. Look in the mirror you shit for brains motherfucker.

>>15449137
Why is Kamen Raider so bad?

>>15441574
Really good, I loved it. I liked the subtle symbolism of Gamera to the kids mom. Honestly almost cried at the end when he said Gamera, finally accepting that he must accept the truth.
>So long, Gamera
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE5pk41vpcI

Oh yeah and the Heisei Gamera films are top tier. They seemed to get better and better with each one. The third movie was my favorite.

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>>15441574
If it weren't for the flimsy third act and Gamera's overly cutesy design, I think this would be viewed as positively as Gamera III by most. Regardless, I consider it to be the third best installment in the series. Just behind Guardian of the Universe and Revenge of Iris. It has some of the better human drama in the genre and easily the best child actors.