Well, /m/? How do you feel? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v

It went just as I expected actually. Much better than the Tigerzord x Gundam one.

>>15427544
Once they unveiled Voltron's accomplishments, I knew the Megazord would be toast.

Also made me want to check out Golion.

>>15427544
Like you should take your shilling elsewhere

Seeing all that stuff on Voltron gave me a good ol' nostalgia feel, and the fight itself was pretty rad, but damn if the voice acting and pilot animation wasn't abysmal. Their 3D fights are always so janky

>>15427813
damn if the voice acting wasn't abysmal
I kind of got the impression they were deliberately trying to imitate the stiff delivery from the source material on that one. No idea what was up with the animation though. I guess they just had to throw something together, not like there were models they could pull from anywhere for them.

>>15427879
They could had easily use sprites from any of the Power Ranger games and SRWW for GoLion.

>>15427544
I went into the comment section. I now have stage three cancer. Not just because of how people we're salty saying Voltron was a copy of Power Rangers yet Power Rangers came out in the early to mid 90's and Voltron came out in the early 80's.

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Golion's specs and feats has Daizyujin beat on every front, does it not? It's like asking if a Scopedog (not piloted by Chirico!!!) can take out a Knightmare Frame.

>>15427977

I'm not familiar with Daizyujin, but can it even fly? I assume it can't given the scope of it's show, but I'm not familiar with it to know for definite. Putting it up against a space faring mech just seems pointless if that's true though, given the disparity in power and feats that setting a show in space requires.

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>>15427947

>>15427947
Don't worry, we'll be waiting for you when you come back from Hospital Planet!

>>15427981
Well for one, were talking about the Dino Megazord, which is not Daizyujin.

If it were Daizyujin, Voltron would be fighting God, literally.

>>15427544
>Both mechs are treated respectfully
>Feats galore
>Accurate verdict
>The climax with Pidge going berserk, Mastodon shield freezing Voltron's arm, and blazing sword finisher from the latter
>Hype music
9/10
Torrian's second best animation (Solid Snake vs Sam Fisher will always be his best).
Only nitpick is MatPat

>>15428064
As a god, is Daizyujin capable of creation and planet destruction?

>>15428064
If it's Daizyujin then it would be fighting Golion, who is also a god

>>15428079
Oh yeah! Well..Well...At least it's not a bunch of smelly cats!

>>15427813
The pilots and lions (and I think Voltron as well) were custom made by the 3D animator because there were none available

>>15427947
It's especially grating once you remember that Daizyujin's design is a confirmed homage to GoLion

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>>15428096
That's just uncalled for man

Also Daizyujin is made from A smelly cat

>>15428141
Want to fucking throw these new age kids into the sun.

>>15428235
This happened even when the shows aired back in the day. Some thing never change, it seems.

>>15428235
>new age kids
They're grown men Anon.
They're the same kind of people who got pissed at Greymon vs Charizard (yes, I know Pokemon came first) despite that also being a one-sided fight made and was made because of playground arguments they themselves made when they were younger

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Here's the music they used
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcZDVp3flT8

>>15427892
Didn't the 2D dude leave Deathbattle?

Anyways I would like to see a 2D one use SRW sprites after seeing the arranged battles http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rerboaPYVBk

>>15428243
The idea that Charizard would stand a chance was absurd, I'm glad they actually pointed out that match-up was GROSSLY in Greymons favor

>>15428295
Death Battle still has a 2D animator. (I think there's two)

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Here's Death Battle's 3D animator.
Who should they (or who if individually) fight /m/?

>>15428342
Were /m/ in control. Cyborg 009 vs the KR Legendary Seven

>>15428281
Do you have the one they used in Megaman vs Astro Boy?

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>>15428345
Here ya go man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROjcE72Atik

>>15427544
>How do you feel?

That this is click bait not worth watching like every other death battle.

>That CGI
Ow, it hurts

>>15428459
A good number of the models were made by the animator because there were none available

>>15428485
What about that one Voltron game and Super Legends?

>>15428492
Not sure if that model got ripped or they actually did use it and I just didn't notice
The guys in charge of Death Battle wanted to do the fight since the beginning but had no luck finding decent sprites or models for Voltron specifically.
Torrian the animator definitely did the paladins since he posted Pidge's face on twitter but with no context.
He also posted an image of a block with arms he was modeling so he most likely did the lions.

>>15428501
*didn't get ripped

>>15428243
>>15428300
I'm more annoyed that that fight exists. There's a couple fights that are just exceedingly brutal beatdowns where one side outclasses the other in literally every way, but that one sticks out badly because (I think they even pointed this out) Taichi didn't even need to go Wargreymon to win. He could have won with Metalgreymon, fairly easily.

>>15428570
>He could have won with Metalgreymon, fairly easily.
They actually pointed that out in the end of the episode.
Too bad it's what the people wanted.
The most popular vs debates sound cool on paper but tend to be curbstomps when actual thought is involved

>>15428570
Even Greymon is a tough match for Charizard since you are comparing the destructive power of Mega Flame is way greater fire power (it's a destructive ball of fire compared to just a steady stream) and horn impulse also would smash Charizard to pieces since both of Greymons attacks have been shown to smash through cliff faces. Metalgreymon becomes overkill due to Giga Destroyer and trident arm having the power to level a city block pretty much. It's just unfair if he goes all out with Wargreymon he can not only create a small sun with Gaia force, he is equipped with dramon killers so he literally has an unfair advantage.

I get the idea of having them compete but the power levels of the two series are worlds apart, it literally becomes special animals fighting giant monsters/gods.

>Camera cuts to Megazord's cockpit during fight
>Sparks flying, Rangers reacting, camera shaking
That's a nice detail

>>15428607
How about Optimus Prime vs RX-78-2? That sounds like another hyped up battle that is just a one sided stomp

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>>15427544
I hate DB, but I would be genuinely interested in seeing a fight between the Operation Meteor Boys and Celestial Being, as done by Death Battle.

>>15428639
RX-87-2

It's bigger than prime and can probably tear him up pretty easily.

>>15428653
You forget Prime is faster, can transform, and isn't piloted by a human he he has 10x the reaction speed.

>>15428657
But my Newtypu

>>15428657
>Reaction Speed
>Against Amuro Ray the Newtype

Also do we even have primes speed stats? All I know prime does is the car, the laser, and the axe he used once.

>>15428639
Could it be entertaining at least despite the huge height differences?
Speaking of Transformers, the hosts were asked if they were ever going to do Unicron vs Galactus and they said they would have to eventually and it'd have to be season finale material (They originally wanted Megazord vs Voltron or Lara Croft vs Nathan Drake to be Season 3's finale).
Is Unicron vs Galactus a one sided match as well?
>>15428653
https://cybertronological.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/optimus-prime-throws-an-oil-tanker.gif

>>15427544

If you don't take Death Battle too seriously Like you're suppose to it's a fine little 5-10 minute timewaster because you should be skipping the analysis part anyway.

This should apply for most things in general, such as the childrens tv shows most of 4chan loves to follow. Stop taking shit so seriously, you'll find out you'll be much happier in life.

>>15428657
Don't forget he has far more experience and has fought Transformers towering higher than him before

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>>15428670
>eating shit isn't so bad if you don't focus on the taste of it

>>15428690

I can apply that to so many things that 4chan consumes, but in the end it doesn't matter, enjoy what you like, i'm just saying don't take stuff too seriously, Death Battle's target audience is meant for edgy rebellious children anyway.

>>15428651
Fuck that. I dont want them touching anything 00 related

>>15428689
I don't remember Optimus solo'ing any of them though.
Admittedly I never watched much of G1, so I could be wrong.

>>15428703
But the SRW sprites!

>>15428690
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ugebzq3juE

>>15428651
Why not One Minute Melee?

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>>15428651
Here's what I want but will never get.

>>15427892
>SRWW
I don't think people would want to see a SD character fighting a regularly proportioned character

>>15427544
>Matpat
>But why?

>>15429448
They got other e celebs for the voices.

>>15428342
cyborg 009 vs skull man would great.

>>15428651
The Gundams from Wing would get wrecked by Celestial Being. Now say 00 (the Gundam) versus Jehuty (with Zero Shift) now that would be a fight.

>>15427892
It wouldn't look right because the SRW sprites are SD while the Megazords are more properly proportioned

>>15428651
CB ruins the wing boys

>>15428668
Unicron versus galactus... now there is a hard matchup, definitely not a kerbstomp if you consider the back lore of unicron is its a multiversal being, able to transcend time and dimension at will (well, if not bound to the physical form of unicron, of course) while galactus has the power cosmic but is pretty much a unidimensional being

As to armament, I'd give it unicron as unicron eats planets without having to convert the planet to a digestible form - and while Galactus gets spanked by supers, only one item in the universe could destroy unicron, the matrix (Unicrons chewing on the sub nuclear cores of planets, not to mention whatever doomsday weapons the planets inhabitants set up to take Unicron with them).. that said, in robot form, Galactus likely has the advantage over Unicron due to mobility, ect

A tough battle indeed - unless Unicron goes all Jaws and rips Galactus apart in planet mode...but even then the chances are marvel hax would let Galactus survive..

>>15430606
>the Megazords are more properly proportioned
The Genesis ones aren't.

Is there a Megazord that can remotely stand a chance against Voltron?
I know most of them are below Voltron's weight and height

>>15428665

If they include Devastation Optimus (who is technically G1), then Prime would wreck the RX-78's shit. Otherwise, I don't think we ever saw enough of Optimus fighting to get a good idea of what he can do. Other Primes are way more up there in firepower, not to mention that they can combine for powerups. G1 really only has the Powermaster armor to fall back on.

>>15427544
it was better than epyon vs tigerzord at least.

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>>15428845
>Using the MST3K Mantra to counter an argument

>Death Battle uses RL science and figures to determine power levels every time to say they're in the right.

>>15431038
I'm tempted to say the Astro Megazord or Super Zeo Zords, but probably not. Geez. I never realized how underpowered Zords were until watching the Death Battle.

>>15431928
If I remember correctly, there were Zords in Dino Charge that survived a black hole

>>15427544
I would care about this if I was still a child that participated in these kind of arguments

>>15427544
That fight was actually solid.

Did they get a new animators? The models/directing/destruction clearly got a bump since I last watched one of these.

>related videos
>Venom vs Bane
Well that's an unfiar matchup.

>>15432169
Torrian has been around since Godzilla vs Gamera and he's improved ever since
>Well that's an unfiar matchup.
Even the hosts were flabbergasted by how popular the match up was requested.
While they do have limits to stomps (they'll never do Ryu vs Goku) they'll cave in at times if the fight can at least be presented cool.

One of the few battles where it didn't feel like they cherry-picked feats to get the winner they'd wanted from the beginning. *cough* GokuvsSuperman

>>15427544
>Doesn't mention that they're both adaptations of Japanese shows.

Come on.

>Positives

The hosts' comedy isn't as cringe as in previous episodes.

They got the result right.

The fight was pretty good. It had good back and forth action, a clutch ending, and the Voltron pilots got to win by using their personality traits. They did a good job making the Megazord a bruiser and Voltron an agile fighter.

>Negatives

Fucking Matpat and his fucking voice. He's trying to mimic the delivery but it comes off as super-bad.

The CGI is good for the robots but the Voltron crew looks so damn jankey.

The next battle is mercy win for Fairy Tale fans salty over Ezra getting killed by Zorro.

>>15430616
>Galactus loses because its unidimensional

Wouldn't really matter. He's capable of eating other dimensions to power himself up (he did it with Mepthisto) and when he's not hungry there's really nothing he can't do. And he can time travel. But I can still see Unicron winning. It's certainly not a curbstomp battle.

>>15432234
>cherry pick feats

The character written for decades by dozens of different writing teams and whose continuity shifts every week is written at different levels of power and ability compared to the guy written by a single person?

You don't say?

It was over when they brought in Final Crisis.

>>15433025
To be fair, they low balled the loser and the winner basically won on the argument of "my power is infinite!". And that infinite power argument is apparently based on an inference from a scene from one of his weakest incarnations too.

>>15427892
death battle is run by plebs man. They don't know that shit exists

>>15427947
The average age of a YouTube commenter is literally 10

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>>15433035
>My power is infinite

When Superman is written by Grant Morrison or Joe Casey his power IS infinite.

>One of his weakest incarnations

Not at all. It just wasn't Silver Age who was absolutely invincible to anything that wasn't one of his special weaknesses. He didn't just lift infinity, he broke it. He took the big bang to the face and it didn't hurt him. The only times SA Superman was ever hurt was when someone used one of his special weaknesses.

They completely cut out 30 years years of stories and feats for Superman to try to give Goku a little mercy and Goku still lost.

You see this pic? This is what Goku fought against.

>>15433037
This is true. There's so many good matchups they could do if they weren't entry level. Mazinkaiser vs Shin Getter. ROM the Spaceknight vs Tekkaman Blade.

>>15428391
The Berserk one was good but they paired him against a Literally Who from a fighting game

>>15433049
>Nightmare
>Literally who

He's arguably the face of his series.

>>15433044
Cobra vs. Cash. Seriously, it's so annoying how nobody understands how much of a reference he is

>>15433060
*Vash
Goddammit autocorrect

>>15433052
Ive sat and watched people okay hours of Soul Caliber and I don't see the appeal. A slow fighting game needs to be done Dark Souls or For Honor style, not 2D

>>15433044
>Mazinkaiser vs Shin Getter
That's pretty one sided in Shin Getters favor

>>15433074
hhaah No, it doesn't Shin Getter won't outlast Kaiser.

>>15433074
Which Shin Getter though? Manga? Armageddon? Shin vs Neo?

>>15433084
Honestly I'd say it'd be a fairly even match, unless Shin starts absorbing things.

>>15433074
>>15433084
>>15433100
It would be a great way to introduce normies to super robots.

>>15433084
What in the fuck are you talking about? Shin Getter is a fucking sentient cosmic entity that has infinite energy and can reach sub light speed. Mazinkaiser is not in the same ballpark as Shin Getter is.

>>15433100
Every version of Shin Getter is pretty similar in power, Armageddon is probably the strongest we've seen it be though considering the planet smashing Getter Tomahawk.

>>15433221
>>15433145
Forgot to respond to this one. It also would likely be a way to ensure no views because the people who watch these don't care about Super Robots. You would need one of them to fight something western, like Iron Giant vs Tetsujin or Mazinger would be a good way to do it.

Sage for double post.

>>15433221
>Has infinite energy

Not infinite energy, infinite potential. It's why all Shin Getters (and New Getter which was basically a Shin Getter) can evolve into Emperors.

>Jupiter moon slicing feat

That was hooked up to Shin Dragon as a power battery though.

>>15433297
>Not infinite energy, infinite potential
You do know Getter rays are unlimited energy, right? The whole reason they were originally built was to explore space which was made possible by harnessing the infinite energy source of Getter rays. The only thing that limits the Getter is they mecha itself and the pilots.

>That was hooked up to Shin Dragon as a power battery though.
That is true, so unlikely it would achieve that feat in battle.

>>15428342
Battle of the smug protag who can transform into anything: Masked Rider Decade VS Ben 10.

>>15433017
>The next battle is mercy win for Fairy Tale fans salty over Ezra getting killed by Zorro.
Always felt that the battle was supposed to be Zorro VS Future Trunks but then got replaced because of the new feat FT demonstrated against Merged Zamus. But, that's just a theory, a baseless theory!

>>15433100
>Which Shin Getter though? Manga? Armageddon? Shin vs Neo?

It would more than likely be a composite version. Same with Kaiser

>>15427544
There mecha/kaiju ones tend to be higher quality than most, and this was no exception. Though, I do think the Megazord's sword's ability to redirect energy should have played more of a role here.

Godzilla vs. Gamera remains their best one for me personally.

>>15433589
I think the whole redirect energy part is where Voltron losing his sword played off

>>15433049
They asked about Nightmare vs Guts on their now abandoned Facebook page years before they actually did the match and they got an overwhelming amount of people wanting it (Godzilla vs Gamera got less demand).

>>15433044
I understand that it's hard to separate Asspull Superman from Legit Superman, but let me just say that that was an asspull. They need to do one where it's their confirmed, consistent powers, not just, "Oh he did this once because the plot demanded it in order for him to win so it counts."

>>15433044
>New 52 Superman and Post Crisis Superman are shown to be separate entities
>They merge their histories months later in Superman Reborn
Damn

>>15433017
They did use Zyuranger and Golion only footage during the analysis though
There's also some Sun Vulcan footage in the beginning of the Ranger's analysis

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>>15433903
>Confirmed, Consistent powers

You are aware the recent Tomasi Superman punched through a tower of infinite dimensions to save his son Jon, right? And that was before he merged with his other self to become whole again (he was split into two by mysterious cosmic forces that may or may not be Dr. Manhattan with a powerup)

You need to say what writer you want to use, not "confirmed, consistent powers"-whatever that means.

Johns Superman? Byrne Superman? He'd likely lose to Goku.

Morrison, Tomasi, Gardner Fox, Elliot S Maggin, Joe Casey Superman? He'd slap Goku's shit.

It's Sun Wukong vs Buddha. Sun Wukong is good at destruction, but Buddha is about making miracles. It's the same with Goku vs Superman.

Here's Superman written by Joe Keatinge. He's visiting the very first god, the Sumerian Anu, on his deathbed.

This is who you want Goku to fight. This is "Superman at his strongest".

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>>15433044
>When Superman is written by Grant Morrison or Joe Casey his power IS infinite.

Nah. Just look at All Star Superman. The entire plot is about how his powers have been boosted but he's dying due to that, a premise that would make no sense if Morrison's Superman by default were truly infinitely powerful. You're mixing up themes with actual in-universe story points.


>>15433933
>You are aware the recent Tomasi Superman punched through a tower of infinite dimensions to save his son Jon, right?
No, he didn't. It was all an inner space kind of thing.

>>15433966
Also, the issue regarding Pre-Crisis feats is that DC often went out of their way to show that modern Superman wasn't on that level, like with the Pocket Universe Zod or Superboy Prime. It's not like people are arbitrarily stripping Superman of his powers in order to "beat" him in Vs topics, DC itself did that.

>>15427544
They said Link would beat Cloud. They're a bunch of hack frauds.

>>15433966
>It was an inner space kind of thing

How did you come to that conclusion>

>Just look at All-Star

>dying

He has an apotheosis where he goes to repair the sun.

>Make no sense if Morrison's Superman was by default truly infinitely powerful

He was infinitely powerful. They couldn't find an upper limit to his strength and he had a trillion powers and it took something special like Underverse radiation to weaken him. The whole point was to get him back to Silver Age levels and do a retelling of the Silver Age Last Days of Superman mixed with Morrison's Superman 2000 pitch.

>>15433970
>Only using post-crisis pre-Flashpoint Superman
>Only using two decades of Superman stories.
>That's "fair"

But Goku can have his strongest transformations. Right.

>>15433966
>Nah. Just look at All Star Superman. The entire plot is about how his powers have been boosted but he's dying due to that, a premise that would make no sense if Morrison's Superman by default were truly infinitely powerful.

Have you read it? Superman is wrong about dying, he evolves in a golden Sun God at he end.

It's a tie in to JLA # 1,000,000 and storyline referenced earlier in All-Star Superman.

if they do another mecha fight, what would you like it to be?

>>15433970
Wasn't Superman absolutely wrecking Prime by the end of Legion of three Worlds?

>>15433991
Knowing that Mazinkaiser vs Shin Getter is a pipe dream I'm hoping for Eva 01 vs GaoGaiGar. Deconstruction mecha vs reconstruction mecha. Bonus points if they make it a team battle and do NERV vs GGG.

>>15433996
Yes he was. And Prime was strong enough to rip Monarch Captain Atom open and eat the universe killing blast with his face.

Goku fans act like you have to prowl the Superman comic archives for one out of context panel for Superman to kill Goku when you really don't.

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>>15433981
>He has an apotheosis where he goes to repair the sun.
>>15433987
>Have you read it? Superman is wrong about dying, he evolves in a golden Sun God at he end.

I didn't mention that to avoid unnecessary spoilers. The point is that the premise is based on Superman's powers suddenly growing, which would make no sense if by default the Morrison Superman had infinite power already.

You're mixing up how Morrison's Superman's stories focus on his wonder and possibility, rather than limits, with him literally having no limit.

>>15433996
The only real hit Superman got by himself was once when he flew from behind, but Superboy Prime just blasted through his hand afterwards. Otherwise it was a big team up with the entire Legion, Superman, Kid Flash, Sodam Yat and Superboy. Even so they only actually won when they made Kryptonite that affected him.

>>15434003
>Yes he was. And Prime was strong enough to rip Monarch Captain Atom open and eat the universe killing blast with his face.
Prime was powered up more than usual during Countdown there, which is why he had that adult appearance.

>>15433981
>Only using two decades of Superman stories.

Because they're basically treated as different characters in-universe. DC itself split their continuity. It's not like it's something people are arbitrarily doing for these discussions.

>But Goku can have his strongest transformations. Right.
That's completely different from adding different versions of a character with different stories together.

>>15428079

Wasn't Golion separated in the first place by another god, though?

How would the Paladins interact with the Rangers if they weren't fighting to the death?

>>15434147
They'd get along pretty well. And would fly the Megazord to the moon to give Rita and Zed the shock of their lives.

>>15434145
Supreme goddess of the universe or something if I'm remembering correctly.

>>15434003
>NERV vs GGG.

Could Gai handle Berserk 01? Would he be able to get Genesic and is King J-Der Helping?

>>15434463
I'm pretty sure Genesic could if nothing else. I don't see Eva-01 surviving the sun killing ban hammer. The dividing driver and dimensional pliers would also be insanely useful. Regeneration is also something Gai has faced a lottttttt.

In terms of a team battle GGG rapes NERV. They're probably the best support organization any super robot has ever had. You KNOW they'd eventually develop a tool to disable AT fields. And there's all the handy stuff like the Eraserheads, Capsule X, the Carpenters, and Mic. Mic could solo if they just stalled long enough to burn him the right disk X.

I think they also outnumber NERV by a lot even if you throw in the Rebirth OC girl.

>>15434463
Normal/Star GGG might have trouble, GFG a little less so. But Genesic pretty much just puts a foot in the asses of the evas. Especially with the ability to spam Hell and Heaven and the Crusher being a thing.

NERV vs GGG is in 3G's favor due to just how damn good their support is. NERV just has 3 evas. Four if you're counting Mari.

GaoGaiGar, the AI Robots, and King J-Der at the least. Mic could fuck them up especially hard.

Other ending is that 3G takes the kids and gives them the support and therapy they need

>>15434089

So i'm a total casualfag about american heroes that his only contact with superman is via the justice league cartoons and you seem to know your shit about superman's expanded multiverse.

Just how the fuck they write stories about somebody who can effectively tell the laws of physics to fuck off? He fights omnipotents gods who manipulates reality itself in a daily basis or something? Because this isn't at all like the superman i know from the cartoons with all those bullshit powers

>>15435139
Kryptonite, that's how.

>>15435139
Often times Superman holds back because he doesn't want to really hurt anyone.This is why someone like Lex Luthor is such a great villain because he manipulates, and finds where Superman is vulnerable. Superman also explains later in one comic that he died to Doomsday because he underestimated him. Thinking he was just another simple monster to put down he held back until they were eventually going blow for blow. He also generally faces threats that are world ending or universe ending so they are all on par or greater than him. The last thing is that he often has to protect those close to him, you know Lois gets kidnapped or something of that sort which forces him to be lead right into a dangerous trap. And as someone said before Kryptonite is always a factor.

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>>15434883
Gai Hell and Heavens out the plugs and gives the poor kids therapy.

>>15435139
>How the fuck do they write stories?

1. They use a lower powered version of Superman like the cartoon series did.

2. Kryptonite/Red Sun Radiation/Magic/Psychic Attacks

3. They write stories about him where the focus is on character interaction and him doing neat things and not whether or not he can beat someone up. See All-Star, Peace on Earth, Red Son, The Current Tomasi run, etc.

4. He does fight really fucking powerful guys. Nu52 in particular gave him a slew of bad guys on a similar power level to Superman-Wraith, H'el (seriously), Hellspont, Ulysses (actually pretty interesting).

>>15433221
>Armageddon is probably the strongest
No, Manga Shin Getter is the strongest
Armageddon Shin Getter has no matter and energy absorbing power and its Stoner Sunshine is just a big boom boom ball, manga Shin Getter's Stoner Sunshine act like actual Getter Energy, it eats all matter, energy and space itself

>>15433221
>, Armageddon is probably the strongest

Nope.

Manga
Armageddon
Shin Vs Neo

in that order.

>>15435139

It depends on the writer.

Some just write a much lower powered version of the character, closer to what you'd see in the cartoons, even though it doesn't line up with his higher feats. Generally it's excused as him holding back afterwards by other writers, but in the stories themselves he's seen struggling. This actually hasn't happened much recent DC rebooted with the New 52 though.

Some writers just have people pop out of nowhere that are just as strong or stronger, like the recently created Ulysses and H'el.

Others just always write big world ending stories confronting threats even bigger than Superman. The first year of the "New 52" Superman was basically all leading to him confronting a reality manipulator. The current writer of Justice League also always seem to go with big world ending threats that can overpower Superman by himself.

Also, part of the reason the recent Reborn relaunch has been successful was the addition of Jon, Superman's son, who so far doesn't have full control of his powers, leaving him very vulnerable at times, while also allowing him to help in battle. The book focusing on Clark and Jon together and also their relationship (Superman) is actually selling better than Action Comics, which was marketed as the main Superman comic.

>>15436649
Isn't Action Comics mostly about Lara now?

>>15436727
Lana. My bad.

>>15427947
We've come full fucking circle boys.

>>15436727
No it's more of a Lex book.

>>15427947
The level 2 uniformed commentator would say something like "Super Sentai did the giant team robot first so Voltron is a ripoff" which gets so, so many things wrong.

>>15436848
>>15436727

In Action Comics, ever since Rebirth, there was a Superman + Lex vs Doomsday arc, Superman + Lex vs Remnants (new characters who wanted to kill Lex since he supposedly might become a new Darkseid in the future) and then an arc focusing on the reveal of the identity of the False Clark Kent who appeared around Rebirth in order to step back on the story where New52's Superman's identity was revealed, which led straight to Superman Reborn.

>>15435479
>Superman also explains later in one comic that he died to Doomsday because he underestimated him. Thinking he was just another simple monster to put down he held back
Ah, the Kira Yamato defense.

>>15436971

And just as stupid. Losing due holding back is one of the cheapest and lowly excuses to justify a character losing, and dying because that is even worse.

>>15437893
Agreed, it comes across as really puerile for a character to claim that their loss didn't count because 'they weren't really trying anyway'. It couldn't be less dignified if they opened the statement with 'Nuh-uh!' and concluded by sticking their tongue out.

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>>15427947
How does someone know what SRW is yet not GoLion?