Was Emma sheen gay ? Some people keep insisting that she is,

i know that she stated that she didn't want to bare children. And avoided Henken's advancement throughout most of Zeta. But his death hit her hard, so she did have some sort of feelings for him.

>>15411607
I thought so.
The wiki has Henken as a love interest.

>>15411607
That's because she's putting her job above her personal life unlike all the other characters in the show

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>>15411601
I feel like the rumor is born from her mentioning meeting Amuro Ray back on earth together with her girlfriend.
It's never specified by the subtitles or the dub, but perhaps the japanese audio is more specific about whether she was talking about a platonic friend or a lover.

In any case it doesn't really change much about her character.

>>15411618
That's wishful thinking.

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>>15411625
>>15411601
Green or blue eyes? If she had a modern design, what would they do with her hair? Perma dick helmet hair is kind of an 80's thing

>>15411601
im on episode 5 on gundaminfo

she seems pretty chill lady, helped to steal back all 3 gundams.

No evidence that she bats for that team. Henken seemed mostly a one sided thing but you would expect Emma to be quite private about that stuff

>>15411688
Emma is possibly the most rational and level headed character in all of Gundam.

>>15411625
Straight women referring to their platonic girlfriends is a cultural paradigm, I'm sure this wasn't thought about at all when subbing the show

>>15411699
And look where that got her

>>15411715
aw she is so dead isn't she

>>15411601
She's one of the few female characters in UC not lusting after Char's dick. So probably.

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>>15411601
Wasn't she in love with Kamille for most of Zeta? I remember multiple scenes where she was jealous when Fa was flirting with him.

>>15411625
Or may be just good old friend who happens to be a girl, as it was in old days when we used to wish other to be happy and gay.

>>15411728
What, no. Emma Sheen was young woman who could have been a mother to him.

>>15411728
She's more of the motherly figure. Especially more evident after that episode were Bright says to Char that he can't be a father figure to Kamille

>>15411728
No, she thought that sort of behavior was unbecoming of soldiers. She's like that the entire way through the show, which is why Reccoa can't see eye-to-eye with her in the final battle and why Emma occasionally reprimands Kamille for loose behavior.

Ironic considering Reccoa was a de facto soldier since the OYW while Emma's just some Titans test pilot.

>>15411734
Yeah, no shit Sherlock. That was one of the two possibilities I offered. On the other hand homosexuality was already invented at the time Zeta came out so Tomino might be familiar with the concept.

Like I said. Doesn't really matter. Emma Sheen wasn't defined by her sexuality, but her sense of duty. Which is what made her such a memorable character.

>>15411728
Quite the opposite actually, she was weirded out by his apparent mother complex for her.
https://youtu.be/w-GgLsMI7Oc

I'm not the only one who let out a cheer when she impaled reccoa right? seriously what WAS her problem, aside from char lust

>>15412343
Similar to the Zanscare women, getting manipulated by old men because muh girl power

>>15411601
No the people who do are social retards who never hung out with a girl to know they use the term girlfriend to refer to their close friends.

>>15412455
>can't get char's dick
>want's the purple homo's dick
>gasses a colony and blames the argama for not stopping her
>NO YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU'RE A CHILD I HAD TO GASS THE 6 MILLION BECAUSE CHAR ISN'T INTO ME every time someone confronts her about being a traitorous cunt
>death speech isn't repentant just "ungh ebil men will use you" while emma was among the most in charge people in the argama despite being a defector that joined like a month ago
was there a less likable character, ever?

>>15412503
Katz if only because even for a horny teen he was incredibly stupid falling for the same trick multiple times.

>>15412503
She's unlikeable, sure, but the show would be slightly worse off without her (unlike Katz, who was just awful as a character). Having someone demonstrate how dangerous a combo of mental instability and minor newtype qualities can be was good.
>inb4 fore and rosamina
Not the same thing

>>15412503
>>15412541
Isn't Reccoa the 1st face-heel turn main cast member in the gundam franchise?

>>15412503
Just what the fuck was up with Scirocco? He's the one villain in Gundam I have no clue what his motivations or ideology is. He's just this weirdo from the Jupiter Energy Fleet who has insane Newtype powers and a ridiculous Mobile Suit.

>>15411601
i fucking hate her hairstyle

>>15412549
considering this is only zeta and no one pulled that shit in 0079, then yeah
>>15412620
now listen here you little shit

>>15411725
no lives matter in brutal life tomino

>>15412555
That was the point. Scirocco was the first big hint towards Tomino's impending breakdown. He literally didn't have a motivation Earthlings could understand. Being born under the gravity of Jupiter made his mindset incomprehensible to Earth Sphere folks.

>>15412622
eat shit

>>15412555
He just thought he was better than everyone else
He says in the last episode that the people need the elite to rule them

>>15412671
why would I want to eat your taste

In the english dub she talks about having a girlfriend. I don't remember if in japanese she says the same.

https://youtu.be/4vHZsUodAdw

>>15412555
I always got this weird Space Charles Manson vibe going around him.
He definitely was building some kind of cult.

>>15412740
she does, but jury's out as to whether it's scissors and tacos girlfriend or just "hey girlfriend" girlfriend

>>15412659
>>15412677
>>15412752
And that's only if you actually try hard to give Scirocco a motive. The dude was loony tunes. Every other Gundam nemesis has a concrete set of values and vision; Paptimus was just trippy as fuck.

I wonder how he was like his Tyrant Sword days when he faced Keith McGreggor?

>>15412740
She didn't say that

>>15411726
Speaking of dicks, would Four fall for Char instead of Kamille, if she could survive Kilimanjaro battle?

>>15412829
EVERYONE falls for char, the man's dick powers are only rivaled by scirocco's

>>15412829
I wonder how'd she react to Amuro...

As for Cyber-Newtypes, I kinda liked how Rosammy mistook Kamille as her brother.

>>15412843
Char is not autistic so i don't think Four will be charmed by him.

I thought her name was ema chewy

>>15412856
>I wonder how'd she react to Amuro
She didn't seem to care too much for him in Hong Kong

>>15412856
>ONIICHAN
>ONIICHAN
>ONIICHAN
>ONIICHAN
I felt bad for her, but I was glad that kamille put her down instead of dragging it on with his usual "NUH I CAN'T SHOOT"
It's like a rabid dog, you don't want to but it kind of has to happen, she probably could have been adopted and de-broken like puru if they were luckier but they weren't, so tough shit

>>15412821
>literally posts proof
>She didn't say that!
Guess that's life in a post facts society for you.

>>15411601
Just wishful thinking without anything to back like Shinji being gay.

>>15412555
I thought that it was like: Haman sayz AXIS should rule Earth; Jamitov sayz Titans should rule space; Scirocco sayz Newtypes should rule over humanity.

So, ultimately, emperor of space with Newtypes who are close to him.

>>15413049
In Japanese she says "女同士". Which just mean something like "female best friend". Unless is some obscure underground term for lesbian, we can reasonable assume that she's straight.

>>15411601

I don't see why she should be assumed to be straight.

>>15411607

It's not like she was heartless. She knew the guy had feelings for her and he sacrificed himself and his ship for her. That tugs the heartstrings even if you never reciprocated.

>>15412980
Well to be fair, Rosammy was an Olibee clone. I'm surprised we didn't get a Daba clone in Zeta seeing how it and ZZ emulated much of L-Gaim. Kamille was nothing like Daba.

>>15413144
Yeah I get the idea he was Newtype supremacist, but he was really a mystery. Paptimus was basically Zeta trying to rehash elements of Poseidal, but in this case, it still makes him cryptic.

>>15413303
He wanted to take over the Titans which in turn takes over the Federation with after defeating the AEUG and Zeon. He also seduces people to use as a figure head while he plans to rule behind the scenes. I'm not sure though if his plans were part of a mission given by Jupiter cause Jovians are asses.

>>15413144
Jamitov wanted a new war that would cause an economic collapse for the Earth sphere and get rid of the elites whose souls are bound by gravity. Scirocco explains it to Jerid in episode 21

>>15413211
>I don't see why she should be assumed to be straight.
Because almost all people are.

>>15413351
People are only straight because they're held down by gravity. In the freedom of space, yuri is king.

>>15412800
I haven't read the story in a while but IIRC Scirocco was basically the same, just a lot more eager to prove himself as a pilot and presumably engineer, given that he was using an MS of his own design.

>>15413712
Space lesbians are only lesbians until they get violated by Yazan

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>>15413332
>>15413346
>Jovians
I've always wondered if Nadesico was inspired by this plot element that was left hanging from UC Gundam. Because we did get hints of the Jupiter Energy Fleet and its Empire playing a shadowy role in UC events during F91 and Crossbone. Not to mention the Mars Zeon incident.

Why the fuck hasn't Sunrise done a story about Jupiter and what they've been up to?

>>15411601
What are you talking about? She's into that Kamille girl.

>>15413832
That's Crossbone

not only is she supposedly gay
she's dead

Emma was too pure for this world.
She had the best mecha in all of Gundam.
She was the only non-batshit insane woman to exist.
She executed the MOST batshit insane woman to ever exist.

>>15412555
Scirocco was the harbinger of the type of dictator who says "People of <x background> should rule over everybody else" and just happens to be from <x background>. Ironically actually applies very well in real life politics.

Didn't a artist for Pokemon draw fan art of her?

>>15413303
Scirocco was a Newtype supremacist who wanted a Newtype elite to govern the Earthsphere with a woman placed as their figurehead. I believe the Zeta Gundam novel goes just a tiny bit more in depth on the motives of Scirocco and Jamitov. It's interesting when you consider that Kagatie Fonz, another Jovian, almost achieves something similar in V Gundam.

Are there any other females as competent as Emma was? Roux doesn't really count since she's in ZZ and has to roll with the cunty kids before they get bearable.

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>>15414323

He most certainly did.

>>15413332
Was the idea of a Jupiter empire even a thing when they made Zeta? I feel like they only used Jupiter for characters like Scirocco and Challia Bull to make them more mysterious

>>15415523
Nope, it only seems to show up in Crossbone. IIRC as far as Zeta goes the Jovians are some sort of confederation made up of helium energy fleet fleet ships

>>15415605
>>15415523
were jovians even their own thing in zeta, I got the impression that it was just an isolated mining colony that belonged to earth sphere powers or axis like north australia or something

>>15411601
NO

>>15419017
t. Henker

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>>15413264
Daba is more man than most Gundam protags. I wish Tomino had used his characterization as a template in Zeta than what we got.

In fact, Daba is a more successful version of Char. Their backstories have similarities though Daba arguably was able to pull off a FAR more decisive win in his vengeance.

>>15413864
I think >>15413832 is referring to a backstory of the Jupiter Energy Fleet and the Jovians rise to power. Like how they manipulated Zanscare behind the scenes during Victory.

>>15412555
Scirocco was an advance agent of Jovian supremacy. He wanted to fuck over Earth and its space colonies as much as he could get away with so that humanity would be forced to go into deep space, thus into the arms of the Jovian world order. At least that was my take on the character after I saw Zeta way back in 2002.

>>15419912
>Zanscare
AFAIK the only significant connection between Jupiter and Zanscare is one-eyed geezer.

>>15419912
>Scirocco was an advance agent of Jovian supremacy. He wanted to fuck over Earth and its space colonies as much as he could get away with so that humanity would be forced to go into deep space, thus into the arms of the Jovian world order. At least that was my take on the character after I saw Zeta way back in 2002.

He's just a dude who felt humanity was getting out of control and needed someone to guide it. Not sure where all this stuff about Jovian supremacy is coming from, he even says multiple times that he believed a woman will be the one to guide the Earthsphere while he remains a benefactor in the shadows. Hardly what I'd call Jovian supremacy, especially since he just wanted some personal power.

>>15419988
Yeah but Paptimus is exactly the sort of destabilizing figure that put a real wrench in the Gryps Conflict. Jupiter probably felt that he was too much of a risk to keep around so he was sent off to the Earth Sphere and stir trouble there. If he died, all is good. If he caused enough chaos and destruction amongst the Federation and Zeonic elements, even better.

>>15420253
That doesn't make sense. Scirocco is aware of Jamitov's plan and even tells it to Jerid and Mouar.

And Jamitov's plan is to destabilize the Earth sphere with a new Earth vs spacenoid war until the Earth's economy collapses and the Federation is deposed.

>>15420268
Yeah and then Paptimus assassinated Jamitov despite his sworn oath. And set-up Haman as the fall guy.

Paptimus was a Game of Thrones-level schemer. He did all sorts of Machiavellian plots and betrayals like alerting the AEUG of Jamaican's Granada colony drop. He was screwing over the Titans, AEUG, and Axis equally whenever he had the chance.

>>15419900
A UC version of Daba would've been a member of a family who staunchly supported Daikun and got liquidated under trumped-up charges by the Zabis. He and Char would've had an interesting clash of ideologies.

>>15411601
In Zeta DEFINE manga, she touches Kamille's dick to arouse him while he is crying. Yeah. Really. No joke.
Thank you Kitazume, at least we now know that she can willingly touch a dick.

>>15411601
>Was a female character from the height of homophobia in media a homosexual?

>>15420806
Fuckin' sauce

>>15420806
Kitazune has done so much stupid crap between that and CDA that I'm almost willing to believe that. Almost.

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>>15420869
>>15420884

>>15420895
I wonder if he gets the characters.

How does Emma go from not wanting to be a mother figure to Kamille, to almost giving him a handjob?

>>15420933
To be fair she's just warning him that he's getting a stiffy.

>>15420895
Why did he refuse? Would anyone?

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>>15420895
Holy shit

>>15420933
I kinda doubt it. I mean, he gave Jerid ANOTHER possible love interest.

>>15420933
Well, if she doesn't want to be a mother figure, fucking his brains out is a good way to do so. After all, whereas Pedophillia may be acceptable in Universal Century 0087, Incest is not.

>>15411842
Gotta love Bright's reaction
>I think he's attracted to me...
>uhhhh
>...because of his mother complex
>Ah. That's bad.

>>15420974
>why would an emotionally unstable child in midst of war deny sexual favors from an adult woman

>>15411622
This. She's one of the only professionals in the show.

>>15412659
> Scirocco's motivation?
I think he observed how retarded the major Earth Sphere players were and saw an opportunity.

>>15421311
He says what he wants to do when he first shows up. Like outright tells Jerid

>>15421134
exactly, what's stopping him from getting that sweet /ss/?

>>15421362
Jerid was a useful retard

>>15411601
No, she wasn't.

>>15413900
Man, if only she made it to ZZ.
The bitter veteran to a bunch of rag-tag kids.

>>15420895
Whelp, now she's a child molester.

>>15426573
wasn't she supposed to be in ZZ ? until Tomino changed his mind and decided to kill her instead.

>>15426616
She was going to be Judau's tragic love interest, but Sunrise wanted her to die at the end of Zeta instead.

I can't help but wonder how ZZ would have seemed if it had stuck with the initial grimdark plan, like whether it would have seemed too much right after Zeta.

>>15426893

You're talking out of your ass because
1: That goes completely against Emma's character and she already had a potential love interest in Henken to begin with

2. Tomino doesn't get his ideas for grimdark shit from Sunrise. That doesn't even make sense because they were only interested in doing kid's shows until Tomino made a hit with Gundam.

>>15426948
The ZZ thing implied Judau would have kind of a sister crush on Emma. Though Tomino also seemed to wish to insert some mother complex there too.

Emma accepts the Radish's captains advances before the final battle. She agrees to go on a date with him after the battle if I recall.

>>15426616
>>15426893
You should post a source please.

>>15427349
https://pastebin.com/0SkxGTUt

>>15427374
Thanks!

>>15411607
Didn't she reciprocate him in one of the last episodes? Like didn't he hit on her and then she winked at him before leaving the room and Henken was surprised she didn't brush him off as usual? IIRC it was their last scene together before the finale.

>>15427048
pretty much the only reason to dislike yazan ;_;. The captains death was so sad.

>>15411601
Were you gay?

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>>15412555
Jovians plotting to take over the Earth sphere through various catspaws is like the main conflict of post-OYW UC.

>>15428311
>all the bros on the bridge telling him they'll all die with him to save Emma

Wtf man, I know it's supposed to be a bro moment but holy shit, you just got everyone killed including yourselves!

>>15411601
Is Kamille a girl?

>>15420933
You telling me that your mom didn't give you a handy when you had a boner? Your mother must not have loved you.

>yfw you realize Amuro could have killed all the Titan aces with ease
Karaba must have dominated the Titans on Earth

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>>15411654
Possibly puff it out a bit, keeping the same general shape but making it look less like compact glans glued to her head.

>>15433552
>implying

Kamille > Amuro
Char > Amuro

>>15420895
Define is fucking garbage.

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>>15433601
Delusional. Char is a jobber.

>>15433601
>Kamille > Amuro
Newtype power sure but piloting skills Amuro's all the way

>Char > Amuro
kek

>>15433790
>Newtype power sure
They felt the same to me.

>>15433986
nigga what
Did Amuro ever even to anything beyond space-telepathy without a magic space tetris piece amplifying shit?

>>15434141
kamille never did anything that impressive without the biosensor either

>>15434141
Amuro did the same shit as Kamille and Judau with a mobile suit without newtype equipment. Besides precognition is a way better use for newtype power than fancy magic that fails all the time

>>15434141
Well in 0079 newtypes were just people who adapted to space and gained lots of spatial awareness while in Zeta and the rest of U.C newtypes became space magicians. Amuro was still said to be one of the top tier newtypes.

>>15433156
Yes. The whole show seems to revolve around his gender confusion. The plot wouldn't have even gotten going if it wasn't for him being triggered by Jared and the show is a mecha-based narrative on why enabling the mentally ill by going along with their insane fantasies can have dire consequences, the show ultimately ends in her gender confusion consuming her and making her into a retard.

>>15433601
Kamille in the Mk II and Char in his Hyaku Shiki jobbed for multiple episodes against Buran's Asshimar, who never really seemed fazed against them. Then Amuro comes in, first ramming a freighter into the Asshimar and forcing it to back off. The next episode Amuro gets in the Rick Dias and kills Buran.