So, now that the dust has settled how would you fix IBO? I'll

>>15400734
>>Kudelia scenes are mostly diplomatic negotiation and political maneuvering.

The joke was that she basically was Mars' Ann Coulter. People of her economic class liked her because she was pretty and she would not quit repeating the stuff they were eager to hear.

>>15400734

I would've ended the series with the Dainseif barrage. Like, Mika and Guts kicking immense amounts of ass, their enemies falling back, then the hail of orbital rods kills them. They're doing fine up to the point they fall prey to that last dirty trick, then we go to the aftermath.

More deaths. Tekkadan has a bloated cast, and none of the characters are really needed. Zack should've been shot as he and the others tried to flee the base. Eugene could be killed too, with very little change. Basically, all members participating in the final battle should've died. (The casualties are just Nameless Kid, Hush, Mika and Akihiko, which is disappointing.)

Also, I'd have let Iok live, because I feel that Iok's death was unearned - it felt too much like wish fulfillment, because there was no real reason for him to be there.

I'd also have had McGillis be the one to betray Orga to Nobilis, to try and get Tekkadan to fight alongside him in the final battle.

I would probably have inserted more Gundams for merchandising. Personally, I'd have given Iok a Gundam, and have Juliett either pilot Rustal's Gundam or a hastily-restored Bael for the final battle.

>>15400734
Just make more focus on consistent character development on characters like Rustal faction and Tekkadan, and you'd fix alot by making any of the characters likeable

>>15400734
>>15400734
>Show negotiation for reforms happen due to situation turned uncontrollable. The reforms are used to pacify this
If you want to fix the show while keeping it's message, then yes.
I would replace the message from reformist to revolutionary.

>>15401260

That would require there being a chance for victory.

Additionally considering the furore generated by Tekkadan's actions and all the soccer moms that phoned in to complain, I don't think that'd go down well with the network.

Second half was Mobile Armor fights

>>15400734
Don't forget have Mika express emotions outside battle and turn into a stone-cold killer in battle, and make other characters feel weird about this questioning what is wrong with him

>>15401289
>soccer moms that phoned in to complain
Is this actually a thing or is it just a meme? Why are there soccer moms watching Gundam?

>>15400734
>>15400914
Don't focus on characters that you're not gonna develop
Don't suddenly focus on one character just to kill them of two episodes later, in fact, no death flags at all. Its much more shocking if you don't telegraph to your audience the entire episode, episodes ago, or even most of the show (in some Tekkadan members', like Orga, case), that a character is going to die.
More subtlety, in foreshadowing, in general
Don't repeat the same plot point over and over again across the show
Don't have characters constantly doubt themselves and their actions, learn their lesson for a episode and then repeat the exact same internal conflict for the entire season (looking at Kudelia and Orga here). Especially annoying thay Orga never learned his lesson
Don't walk around in public with your group's symbol on your back when you're wanted and on the run

>>15400802
>Ann Coulter
>pretty
Huh???

>>15401481

Late, but it happened. Less 'soccer moms', I admit, more 'moral guardians'. A substantial number of people called into the network to make complaints about the show's level of violence because of how ruthless Mikazuki was shown to be, particularly after he executed his superiors.

>>15400734
>How do you fix IBO.
You cancel it, and dont allow a season 3.

>>15400734
>>No Dainsleifs
stopped reading there

>No Dainsleifs

NO! ALL OF THE DAINSLEIFS

ILL TAKE 10 KITS BANDAI

>>15400734
Scrap the whole thing, make the show about Agnika Kaeru and the Calamity War.

>>15400734
>How to fix a wing clone
>Just make it a better wing clone

>>15400734
At this point I'd like to have a calamity war ova series that focuses on a different Gundam every episode with the final episode featuring Barbatos's original pilot and how it ended up abandoned on Mars

>>15400734

These 'fix x' threads are fucking stupid

>lets take out everything that made this show unique. there its fixed herp derp

I wanted the damn thing to be basically Mechwarrior mercenary companies, but in Gundam.
>Tekkadan is formed not because of some scuffle with Gjallarhorn, but instead of a self contained coup by Orga and the human debris
>Tekkadan then starts taking odd jobs, so maybe 5-8 episodes where you meet all the major players in the Universe as Tekkadan does escort missions for Tekkadan, gun smuggling for the mafia, etc.
>Mika is the same at the beginning, and at first it's all about basically surviving and scavenging off the battlefield to accrue MS and weapons
>As more money comes flowing in, Orga decides to take on bigger jobs, and this is where Kudelia comes in
>This sets off the major plot of protecting Kudelia, but Mika and the rest develop as characters as they have a stable income and so they get caught up in ideology and shit thats spouted from Kudelia
>Battles are less about killing pilots and shit, and more about outmaneuvering and forcing surrenders from the enemy so as to preserve ammunition and mobile suits
Basically less, I AM MURDER MIDGET I CAN KILL EVERYTHING, and more ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU YOU FELL INTO MY TRAP CARD ALSO MY DARK MAGICIAN IS CALLED MIKA. Second season would also play up how Orga and co are in some shit they can't handle, like dealing with big players like Gjallarjorn and Orga simply wants to get money and safety, but Mika and some other guys have been caught up with Kudelias dream and start fighting less for money and more for ideology.

>>15402501

>removing the shit that's stupid and focusing on and adding to the qualities that actually made it unique while fixing faults with direction/storytelling/choreography is a bad thing

Okay.

>>15400734
More Dainslef's and more Kimaris.

MP Kimaris with Dainself's.

>>15402507

>removing the shit that's stupid and focusing on and adding to the qualities that actually made

>Reduce mafia aspect
>lets make the char clone a competent leader instead of being the fucking crazy manchild he really was lol

>>15402448
Life is no finishing school for young ladies. Everyone speaks the way he's made. The protocol chief, dr. Guth, speaks differently from Palivec, the landlord of The Chalice <...> It was once said, and very rightly, that a man, who's well brought-up, may read anything. The only people who boggle at what is perfectly natural are the worst swine and the finest experts in filth. In their utterly contemptible pseudo morality they ignore the contents <...> They would like to see the nation grow up in a group of over-sensitive little people - masturbators of false culture, like st. Aloysius, of whom it's said in the book of monk Eustachius that when he heard a man breaking wind with deafening noise, he immediately burst into tears and could only be consoled by prayers

>>15400734
I'd have let Mika and Ein kill each other in S1.

>>15402504
>Basically less, I AM MURDER MIDGET I CAN KILL EVERYTHING, and more ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU YOU FELL INTO MY TRAP CARD ALSO MY DARK MAGICIAN IS CALLED MIKA
This, okay, yeah. This'd have worked.

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>>15400734

>how would you fix IBO?

Put more than 5 Gundams into the series considering there are 72 potentially

>>15402468
>>15402457
Its either no Dainsleifs or everyone uses Dainsleifs

>>15402667
I'm ok with the latter. That and mace smashing was already substitutes for beam spam, may as well go all the way.

>>15402667
Everything is better than nothing

>>15402507
>I created wing guys.

Do Gundam writers never just like... sketch out an outline of the series and pace the final episodes? They always have great setups and then the final like 4 episodes of a season are just rushed, unsatisfying shit. 00, G-Reco, and Orphans were all like this. Well, in the case of 00, it was the entire second season.

Only females can survive Alaya-Vijnana System operations. Mikazuki and all the other Alaya-Vijnana pilots are girls/women.

Everything else is the same.

My issues are really with S2
>cut all the small arcs
>more "tactical" fights similar to first half of S1
>S2 eps 1-12 focus on fighting mobile armors, beyond the one shown.
>S2 eps13-25 a more fleshed out Rustal vs. McGillis arc
>Tekkadan betray McGillis and side with Rustal near the end
>Final boss is an upgraded Bael fused with parts of other Gundam frames, and internally linked with McGillis himself similar to Ein in S1. Also immune to Dainsleifs
>Bonus points if it uses weapons/moves similar to previous Gundams, like Hi-Nu or Strike Freedom as a big homage
>If Orga must die, make his death related to mecha combat not some mafia bullshit
>Mika's kid is named Orga
>Hush doesn't die and trains Orga Jr. so his screentime is justified
>Ends with Orphans no Namida

>>15402501
>lets take out everything that made this show unique. there its fixed herp derp
No one said this. Also, uniqueness doesn't equal good.

>>15400734
Galigali kills rustal

>>15402871
Don't forget to change "Raise your flag" to "Lez your flag"

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>>15404121
>not "Lick your vag"
It was right there, anon. Right there.

>>15404162
I'd use my banned weapon on them.

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More Gali/Vidar.
Less Orphan shits.

Seriously I still want the entirety of IBO to be recut into a 90 minute movie from Gaelio's perspective.
That would be a much better product.

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>>15404175
>Show ends with Rustal having enslaved them all to be his harem
Prime meat.

>>15402972
>Mika's kid is named Orga
Yeah, was actually a bit surprised they didn't name the kid after Orga, though I guess that would be kinda suspicious

Write the 2nd season off as a bad fan fic and bury it. Then make a single movie of the aftermath and reforms that were going to be set in place by the reinstated Prime Minister Togonosuke Makanai. Use footage from the 2nd season to have Rustal and his fleet wanting to try and prevent these changes. Have the big battle where heroes on both sides can fall but Rustal still dies. McGillis and Gaelio end up killing each other. And have Orga have to live with the regret of losing his best friend Mika in the massive mobile suit beat down.
Lok is still crushed for being useless.

>>15405069
>Lok
It's Iok, with an uppercase i.

>>15405422
Ok
Iok
Still looks like a stupid name.

>>15402514
>char clone a competent leader instead of being the fucking crazy manchild
There's no real separation from being a competent leader and being a crazy manchild. You can easily do both. Even Death Note did it with Light Yagami and some of the other characters

Gaelio reveals Rustal's crimes in the end and be in control of Gjallahorn instead of him.

>>15408154
>not Gjallarhorn getting dissolved due to no seven stars remaining Gjallarhorn and ending in anarchy

Axe Okada and Nagai for being Galifags/Rustelfags.

>>15400818
Iok should've been politically assassinated by McPedo.
And Iok will go full mad man because his family is now in dirt.

>>15408240
>implying Iok will die to a mob hit
The only thing that could kill the man would be another person's death flag colliding with him in a gundam.

Replace Okada with Goro Taniguchi. Focus on a slower, methodical growth for Tekkadan.

>>15409074

Taniguchi directs, he doesn't write.

And given Geass, that might be for the better.

>>15400734
I agree with everything here, but would Mika stay the same character?

>>15408296
>Iok got plot armor from Okada
now u are the writer,u also want to give him plot armor?

>>15400734
If they wanted Tekkadan to be the bad guys they should've had them do more than kill evil pirates, mafia guys and incompetent Gjallarhorn retards
It's like they were actually cleaning up space

>>15411513
Yes, if anything I'd keep him to the end just for laughs at that point. Honestly thought that was the case for him until the final episode got a last min death.

>>15400734
I strongly agree with everything up to switching Orga and Biscuit's death, killing Orga there would be absolutely retarded, specially given how great his canon death was.

The time skip was fine, and honestly, necessary.

I agree, plot armor fucking sucks.

Fuck off, Dainsleifs were one of the best parts of IBO.

You have shit taste.

I agree.

I agree.

No, Jasley had a lot of potential and he killing that chick was great, just change a few things make his arc more about mafia stuff rather than ending with one big space battle and let Aki have the kill and I think it would be fine, if not good.

I agree with the next five, and I really like the idea of using MA to bait Rustal and his forces.

I don't think that you could do all that in just 26 episodes without making it super rushed, 50 episodes should be fine if properly written and with more focus on world building and character development.

>>15411579
OP, here. I'll respond to why I wanted some changes
>I strongly agree with everything up to switching Orga and Biscuit's death, killing Orga there would be absolutely retarded, specially given how great his canon death was.
I would rather have them switched because then Tekkadan would have to think for themselves and the consequences of their actions more. It could've been interesting to have all the responsibility weighing on one character, but instead we got Orga going through the same motions of being unsure only for the rest of Tekkadan to be his yes man and reassure him. It was super annoying to watch because he never learned his lesson, which I guess was kinda the point, but in typical IBO fashion they had to have this internal conflict rarely drag over the entire season, like Kudelia's waffling in Season 1. And then after he finally died in Season 2, we see alot of characters step up, whether it be Mika acting up and ordering everybody to follow Orga's last orders, Ride being traumatized for the rest of his life or Eugene looking after more of the other members. It just feels like Orga was holding back alot of Tekkadan from growing and it would've been nicer to see that character growth alot earlier and have the chance to develop into something more, but instead it all got squashed to the end of the show.
>Time skip was fine and, honestly, necessary
I disagree. The effects of what Tekkadan did just ended up being exposition at the beginning of season 2 and never really touched upon after. All the time skip accomplished was put Tekkadan into a comfy position where they had no real reason to get into the main Revolution plot, and the result is that the first half of season 2 ends up being a series of slow- moving side stories that try to get Tekkadan more involved in the main Revolution plot, before the Jasley arc basically forces all the pieces into place by having everybody act retarded, which is why I wanted it completely gone.

>>15411579
>>15411647
Cont.
>Fuck off, Dainsleifs were one of the best parts of IBO.
Ruins the melee aspect of the combat that we've been seeing and is essentially beam spam, except only one side has access to it. I don't really care all that much since the combat ended up looking like shit most of the time on this show, but I assume most people who liked IBO's combat, liked it because of the melee aspect. But if everyone likes Dainsleif spam, at least let everyone have Dainsleif. Otherwise its just boring to me, worse than the worst beamspam.
>You just have shit taste
Maybe it's just a matter of personal taste, but unarmoured sections of the frame just look stupid to me. Wouldnt those be obvious weakpoints for enemies to go for?

>>15411679
>Wouldnt those be obvious weakpoints for enemies to go for?
Funny thing is that McGillis did that in the Bael vs Kimaris Vidar fight.
I just don't get cockpit placement. no wonder there's so much death with it, sticking out like a sore thumb ontop of the armor just would equal death.

>>15411647
>I would rather have them switched because then Tekkadan would have to think for themselves and the consequences of their actions more.

Biscuit death should have the exactly same effect actually. Biscuit was the one guy that actually tried to warn the group about the risk of what they were trying to do, he dying and, therefore, being proved right was the perfect opportunity to actually try and make it so Tekkadan, and especially Orga, grow as a whole and start to think more about the consequences of their actions and the cost that they will end paying, it was just wasted. I also believe that IBO, at least the first season, was about Orga and Mitsuki, and killing one of them so early would make the character pointless and take a lot from the rest of the series for me. That said, I do think that Orga should have died a few episodes earlier than he did, to give all the characters, especially Mika, more time to react and develop.

Cont.

>>15411647
>>15413038
>I disagree. The effects of what Tekkadan did just ended up being exposition at the beginning of season 2 and never really touched upon after. All the time skip accomplished was put Tekkadan into a comfy position where they had no real reason to get into the main Revolution plot, and the result is that the first half of season 2 ends up being a series of slow- moving side stories that try to get Tekkadan more involved in the main Revolution plot, before the Jasley arc basically forces all the pieces into place by having everybody act retarded, which is why I wanted it completely gone.

I will have to agree that the exposition in the beginning of season 2, particularly the whole
” Now more child soldiers and being used thanks to Tekkadan showing how useful they can be” that was never touched upon was really stupid and a waste of good storytelling opportunity, it really should have been expanded in the following episodes. That said, I think that the time skip exactly because it put Tekkadan in a much stronger position and made them a more credibly treat to an organization that effectively control the solar system, and it also gave time to the world to react and the seed of the revolutions that were sown in the first season to start to bear fruits. Now that I thought more about it, I also have to agree that they should have made the first half of the second season less “a bunch of slow moving sides stories” and made Tekkadan more involved in the revolution from the beginning.

>>15411679
>>15413038
>>15413044

>Ruins the melee aspect of the combat that we've been seeing and is essentially beam spam, except only one side has access to it. I don't really care all that much since the combat ended up looking like shit most of the time on this show, but I assume most people who liked IBO's combat, liked it because of the melee aspect. But if everyone likes Dainsleif spam, at least let everyone have Dainsleif. Otherwise its just boring to me, worse than the worst beamspam.

Eh, I never liked the combat in IBO all that much, and I can understand why someone that liked it would get mad at the Dainsleif spam, but I felt really refreshed that one Gundam series had massed “artillery” as the most powerful tactic. I didn’t see the problem with only Ghorn having, it put the whole “underdog” in perspective for me.

>Wouldnt those be obvious weakpoints for enemies to go for?

From a practical perspective, you’re 100% right and it made no sense, but in my opinion It was a really cool touch in the IBO suits. It's a matter of taste, I guess.

>>15402972
>>15404749
the only way the kid would've been named orga was if mikazuki actually had made it. and I still can see atra objecting to it.

>>15402448
>Late, but it happened. Less 'soccer moms', I admit, more 'moral guardians'. A substantial number of people called into the network to make complaints about the show's level of violence
wonder where these people were during SEED and it's tendency to turn people into meat jello onscreen

>>15402504
>ALSO MY DARK MAGICIAN IS CALLED MIKA
dammit now I want to see Mika dressed as Dark Magician(maybe Atra as Dark Magician Girl)

>>15400734
Let's just ignore the rest of the show, because a lot of this shit is the result of Nagai and Okada being shitfucks and I don't want to touch that.
So let's handle the last few battles
>Gaelio sorties in the Vidar during the battle against the revolutionary fleet.
>Enters a protracted fight with the Helmwige Reincar that depletes most of his ammunition and propellant
>Vidar is forced to return to the flagship to rearm
Meanwhile
>Shino lines up his shot with the Galaxy cannon
>The shot misses, but deflects downward and to the side instead
>Impacts Vidar's hangar, severely damaging the Gundam
>Rustal's flagship is heavily damaged, fleet must withdraw for the moment
>Tekkadan manages to escape in the meantime
>Vidar is hastily repaired using salvaged parts from the Kimaris, resulting in the Kimaris Vidar

It's a small change but it would actually make Shino's last shot *do* something, while also giving more screentime to the Helmwige Reincar and Gundam Vidar. Also, it would make the transition to the Kimaris Vidar just a little less stupid.

>>15400734
not so much as fix, but the things I'd like to see and/or expected from IBO while it was airing

>going by mika's and orga's flashback at the beginning of ep 1, the fact that they appeared as kids in op 1, and the fact that I've seen so much prase for okada and her characters when she was first announced as head writer (I know, I know), I expected their past to play a bigger role in the series. I'm not sure what I'd like to see, but definitely it'd be nice to know how mika became shooty mcshootface and blindly follow orga for owning him his life, when he saved orga's life instead.
>calamity war being a bigger part of the story, possibly by not being that long ago, and/or by having the alaya-viginiana have data on it, battles and other relevant, even if (or specially) not by full infodump flashbacks, but more like somewhat unconsciously, kinda like how mikazuki knows barbatos' name when he is first connected to it. sure, on hindsight it'd kill a lot of the suspense with flauros, for example, which'd know what the pluma is and how the hashmal is buried nearby, since it was the one who defeated it
>if agnika kaieru has to be, let him be relevant. going by mcgillis comparison between mika and agnika, I assumed the series would show or at least having macky go infodumping stuff from his big agnika book and making parallels to mika, who I thought would be worshipped like a saint for seeing so much of him in them.
>significantly lower number of gundams. I'm pretty sure bandai made this thinking about making p.d. the new c.e. or a.d., with lots of side stories and room for gundams and more gundams, which obviously won't happen given how ibo ended. have, if not a gundam for each seven star, at least few enough to show in series, even if a couple of them are side story-exclusives. I like the idea of a gundam for each family, but given how we haven't seen all of them, some could've been lost in battle or assumed to be destroyed, like flauros and barbatos.

I wonder how sunrise originallly planned the ending? you know there was suppose to be 51 eps and barbie rex had a repaired arm right? but that was all scrapped. I atleast wish we had more screentime of barbie rex in its rage mode more.

>>15413282
I wish we had more fights in general.

>>15413276
>Let's just ignore the rest of the show, because a lot of this shit is the result of Nagai and Okada being shitfucks and I don't want to touch that.
It is a fix IBO thread, not fix some minor detail in one episode thread. I still appreciate the effort anyway

>>15413280
(holy shit, first time I've blew through comment size limit)

>(cont'd.) 72 gundams are way too much, even if the mobile armor threat, or whatever the calamity war actually was, was this massive of a threat, specially with the dáinsleif or whatever other banned technology the p.d. universe has.
>actually explain mobile armors and their impact on the calamity war better than mcgillis' plot dump. what are they? why exactly were they created? how many were produced? what is it that drives them? was it some sort of technology that developed into the alaya-vijiniana? I remember how people thought they were controlled by preserved brains in jars, and I thought that just like it awakened with mobile suits around it, it'd transmit a signal to other mobile armors to let them know that there still were threats around.
>beams actually do significant damage on mobile suits. one of the things that unnerved me was the fact that units remained completely unscathed from a head on shot that burned down a small town. I know that nanolaminate armor was created as a beam countermeasure, but having it work this well is anticlimatic. I remember when the episode the hashimal activated ended, I was so excited for it, but still couldn't shake the feeling of "holy sht, that was awesome. which way are they going to fuck this up now?" having it screech and shoot through rocks and a pillar of energy... that scene was one of the best of ibo in my opnion, and just like the series, it feels like so much wasted potential.
>mikazuki and akihiro's dynamic. I loved their relationship early on in the series, their competition-based rivalry with akihiro training and putting a lot of effort not to fall behind mikazuki, which seemed like a natural. the fact that he trained so much on non-alaya-vijiniana suits made me think that when he got gusion he'd at least be pretty close to closing the gap between their abilities, if not standing at an equal footing.

>>15402684
>>15402772
OK, everyone gets Dainsleifs then

>>15400734
>how would you fix IBO?

Forget about it and move on.

>>15402493
Gundam Marchosias Issue Custom?

>>15400734
GaliGali kills rustal and reforms instead.